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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Oct 13, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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Jeezus.. I swear people could argue about an ant on the sidewalk on this site.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 13, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
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https://arrowheadstore.com/collections/apparel?view=all
Who can purchase Arrowhead products?
National Park Service employees and alumni, Volunteers-in-Parks, cooperating association employees, National Park Foundation employees and members of the Student Conservation Association are permitted to purchase Arrowhead products.
Do I need an NPS.gov email to make a purchase?
The nps.gov email address assures us that you are approved to purchase Arrowhead items. If you do not have an nps.gov address, include your affiliation in the comments field to help us verify your involvement with the National Park Service.
edit: wow really? you gonna wear it on the inside or out
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GuapoVino
climber
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Oct 13, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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Maybe he's the same NPS ranger that beat the hell out of the senior citizens at the Grand Canyon.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2017 - 08:30pm PT
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I would agree that joking with the police was not a good idea. I had no idea why they would stop so I was friendly. I was surprised that they would actually bother to stop for a hat infraction- still am for that matter.
As far as impersonating the NPS- we were sorting our rack and gear in the parking lot. Pretty heavy for sure.
Funny the range of responses from everybody.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 13, 2017 - 09:51pm PT
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They didn't stop for the hat.
This is an example of "plausible deniability". There was "something" that didn't pass their LEO scrutiny.
So they needed a story, and here we are dissecting it.
As DMT says, this does not pass the laugh test. PS employees wear official PS uniform elements WHEN NOT ON DUTY all the time. That would be just as illegal.
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fongschway
Social climber
Plainfield, VT
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Oct 14, 2017 - 05:31am PT
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I'm going to wear a hat that says "Werner", but I can bet I'm not going to fool anyone....impersonating a real climber....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 14, 2017 - 01:08pm PT
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Jello's sister was one of the passengers in the car at the Grand Canyon incident.
This happens far too much, wannabe cops who, lacking real criminals to deal with, act out on civilians.
To sue them for violating civil rights under color of authority is a long involved process. I know, because I succeeded at it, but there are many problems.
Hopefully bodycams and cell phones will help to bring abuses to light.
But authorities know they have the advantage, and abuses are far too common.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 14, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
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If you call the local law here - the San Bernardino County Sheriff - they answer the phone like this:
Sheriff 911. How many people are shot?
If you answer "nobody was shot", they hang up on you. Or they laugh at you, and then hang up.
That's because they're BUSY. With actual crime.
Imagine calling the S.B.S.O. to report someone wearing the wrong hat, in public!
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franky
Trad climber
Madison, WI
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Oct 14, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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18 U.S. Code § 701 - Official badges, identification cards, other insignia
Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge, identification card, or other insignia, of the design prescribed by the head of any department or agency of the United States for use by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia, or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
Just want to point out that it is illegal by the letter of the law, outside of the impersonating an officer statute.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 14, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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The logos are sold on hats and other items at Ebay and Amazon, so not a big deal. NPS could easily stop these items from being sold there if they had not given their approval.
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fongschway
Social climber
Plainfield, VT
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Oct 14, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
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My job places me in the Pentagon frequently. There is a store in the visitor's center that sells all manner of stuff. With all sorts of official-looking logos on all sorts of items - shirts, mugs, hats, etc.
That's in the Pentagon. Just saying. Statute or no statute.
I don't think anybody cares. Outside of the NPS personnel called out at the beginning of this thread.
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IntheFog
climber
Mostly the next place
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Oct 14, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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"except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law..."
In other words, only authorized vendors can sell fake NPS swag. Nice.
If it's legal for authorized vendors to sell fake NPS swag, then obviously it's legal for civvies to "possess" the fake NPS swag they've bought. But what about ex-employees, who have real swag they got from the gubmint? Is it ok for them to "possess" that swag?
Looks to me like there's a nice law school exam question here.
Does anyone know a US attorney attached to the NPS or to one of the Parks? Maybe you could drop them a line and see what they have to say.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 14, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
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Jeezus.. I swear people could argue about an ant on the sidewalk on this site.
Depends if the ant is a libtard or a repuglican.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Oct 14, 2017 - 10:09pm PT
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Ionlyski, your friends sound like dicks.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Oct 16, 2017 - 07:51am PT
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hahaha! Me and DMT will be wearing these at various Tooling Zones™™™ around the US:
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 16, 2017 - 09:26am PT
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Jody, thank you. Nice to see you hereabouts!
ps
I thought of you when I got stopped twice within an hour in the middle of Nowhere, Oregon on our way to the eclipse. I was friendly and I got a friendly lecture on the perils of doing 80 and hitting an elk both times!
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 16, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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Dam, Jody that is about the smartest yet posted on this topic!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 16, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
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Some cop, might have been named Judy, pulled me over coming down the grade from Mammoth.
My sin, open container and speed. (I didn't have my MAGA hat at the time)
"I could run you in for this, but I want to go home and eat. BTW I like your jeep."
"Don't open any more of those going down the road."
12-pack on front seat.
Did I heed the warning? News at or about 11:00. BTW, I keep a MAGA hat on the front seat these days.
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