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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 02:29pm PT
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Thanks you Dingus, thank you.
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You know folks, I have probably made more mistakes then many of you combined. I hope not, but...
Have I learned from those mistakes? I wonder.
But this thread about robots and AI, and my digressions (I am in a party mode, sadly I live alone at home in the sticks, with just the surf to answer) and some, is it not worth talking about. I will delete my personal stuff if need be to get the conversation on course.
Can robots climb? And should they be allowed to?
And yes, I guess technically I am drunk now. A long time coming. hah hah.
best wishes to all.
Paddy
And that video of the dude "fingering" holds as he 'flew' from hold to hold (my fingers had a nightmare that night), I cannot see a robot doing that, can you HAL?
I suppose... would you have a robot belay you?
("Sorry Pat, but you missed a hold and placed the wrong pro, I will have to deduct points, and thereby, will not belay you anymore.")
Well, the robot did say sorry. Faliingggg....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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I toiled on an AI program to read children's stories and/or autopsy reports in 1972.
It did neither.
This wasn't me, it was another guy named Terry Winograd. His worked well enough to get him his degree at MIT, but he dispaired of the task ever being completed.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
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Yes zBrown, so you have been involved in this when I was just a teenager, did I get your post wrong?
I toiled on an AI program to read children's stories and/or autopsy reports in 1972.
But times have changed now. As you well know, AI is considerably advanced.
So was the point of your post to show that you were there on the ground level, to show how clever you were in in 1972 (did I read that wrong) or to illustrate that in 1972, that was the (supposedly) level of AI? I am not sure what your intentions are.
My premise still holds, what responsibilities do we, as humans, hold in the advancement of AI?
Damn it, I should be cooking and drinking to celebrate my status in Ireland, and here I am on the Taco Stand. I need my head examined.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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^Not really Patrick. Still can't do either task.
Success is in very restricted domains.
AI researchers would claim that the tree-climber has made dramatic strides in reaching the moon.
And BTW, if AI was/is so successful it could easily answer the question "What is MIND?" Might be stumped by What is WIND" though.
Right?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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But I saw it on the internet, man!!
BTW, Debbie Harry wants to be #1...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Cool pics, there.
Are those the ancestors of tomorrow's climbing partner?
Yes, I think so.
Find me a video of a climbing robot setting up an
anchor though, with bomber placements.
With video feedback as a feature, I think I could trust it.
This certainly opens the door to rc cams. They could work
in synergy with the climbing robots.
Get on it, climbing gear entrepreneurs!!
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"What are we, robots?!"
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 03:59pm PT
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Yes mr Mouse, I have also seen those.
Yes, I an imagine a robot that will free solo El Cap, but a certain Mr Honnold beat the machine to it.
And in my opinion, one of the great 'athletic', 'sporting events ever. Ever. Amazing, free soloing the Cap. Not in my wildest dreams.
I bailed at the Heart in 1976 (crap partners, "it is starting to rain, let's bail, "No, "I said it is a passing sprinkle, the forecast is good skies." F*#kers, both claimed to climb the Nose, I fed them, gave then food and pot. We swung leads. Goddamn idiot was I. Young and led down the garden path. Never trust anybody in C4.)
My first wall was Leaning Tower (1975), then South Face Washington Column and then the Prow (I still think the crux is North Dome Gully, my first 1972 Royal Arches, I hate the North Dome Gully.)
Okay I digress. So machines someday can climb like human climbers, do I get that right?
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And I am a fool writing here, I have a good dinner lined up for my future Irish citizenship and here I am, posting. What an idiot I am. And I am sure there will be more than one post agreeing with that last sentence.
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And I am very tipsy, so take my words lightly. I like you all. A cloud has been lifted over my head. A cloud I created, and one that is I dissipated or is that dispelled or maybe it is time for bed. What a great day, beautiful too, I should I have bicycled into town instead of the bus. But all is well that ends well. cheerio
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zBrown
Ice climber
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So now hB is posting videos of stoopid robots on their way to the moon?
They're still gonna die like Tom Petty and all of us.
Eat a brick? Smoke a lid.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2017 - 04:01am PT
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Dwain, perhaps the best response. I laughed and almost spewed my coffee over the screen. Shame on you dude. How's the back?
I think you said on a previous post somewhere, that you cannot climb anymore. Why? Even a simple climb lets you feel the rock on your hands. We have very different views, but I'd like to meet you someday, and get you up Aunt Fanny's Pantry, hah hah.
Take care, you gobshite.
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Rereading this thread (what to do on a raining Irish day, oh yes the Wexford BizFest up at the council offices, I have to leg it) Dwain I think actually that August West has a pretty good reply.
They don't need to eat anything more than the occasional byte.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2017 - 04:28am PT
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Success is in very restricted domains.
AI researchers would claim that the tree-climber has made dramatic strides in reaching the moon.
zBrown I like that. Good post.
EDIT and as I write this I am listening to Tom Petty's cover of "Something in the Air" (Thunderclap Newman).
Because the revolution is here. We have got to get it together, sooner or later
RIP Tom Petty and condolences to all in Vegas. So sad.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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