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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 16, 2017 - 04:59pm PT
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Can a single individual construe rights or is impossible until the population doubles?
-RMalthus
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 16, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
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Rights are a human social construct, start to finish, imo. A single person needs no rights. They come from society and are defined by society and they are implemented through power.
I understand your point now, although I deeply disagree with it due to the heinous implications it has.
I'm glad that this nation was founded by people that did not share your view, or we would not have ended up with the constitution we did. Even though we have regularly fallen FAR short of the ideals espoused in our founding documents, I am very thankful for the expressed ideals, which have made this nation the greatest in the history of the world.
We drift from or abandon those IDEALS at our peril!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 16, 2017 - 08:43pm PT
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Driftin' too far from shore. Apparently never lived in Atlantis!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 17, 2017 - 11:36am PT
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A single person needs no rights
A single person - that is an individual unimpeded by others - has all of their rights.
I think Paul is onto something, the more of us there are the more vigilant we must be to protect our rights. And from here we could bust off into a discussion of what constitutes a Civil Society, but double ot is a stretch.
The news is that Scalise took a lateral shot to the hips, the bullet entered one side and traveled laterally across through his pelvis. That had to cause a lot of damage.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 17, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
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A group of single persons - that is a bunch individuala unimpeded by others - has[sic] all of their rights.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 17, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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Societies come into existence to acknowledge and protect rights. Otherwise it's safer to be a loner or band together with a few like-minded people.
Of course, later, these same societies have an emergent "ruling class" that comes to believe that its power/interest trumps rights. Typically, the only solution is to occasionally kill off that ruling class and start over.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
We're pretty ruled at present. Fortunately, there remain to us legal, non-violent methods by which to throw off our shackles. Until those are exhausted, there is NO excuse for violent revolution. We're a LONG way from exhausting those, which is why these "lone wolf" "mini-revolutions" we see now and then are so utterly misguided and despicable.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 17, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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We thank Scalise for his sacrifice in help keeping America free.
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