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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:33pm PT
Karma would be served letting Bill Clinton join the other democrats interview Judge Thurston Kavanaugh the lll....
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 25, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
Blahblah if Judge is lying now and says he has no recollection and he is caught there is no consequence. If he testified under oath and lied and but he told the truth to someone else previously or wrote he truth down somewhere and that evidence came out he’d have consequences for lying under oath. There’s a huge difference.

I can see many reasons why he wouldn’t want to testify. Your reason above. He doesn’t want to incriminate Brett. He doesn’t want to be exposed publicly. There’s nothing in it for him, Etc

But if the commission really wanted to get to the truth they would want him to testify. Again how often do you have a witness in a sexual assault case. Seems like a no brainer that his testimony would be very informative.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Sep 25, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
and at least 2/3 of Republicans still stand behind him.

I've heard it's closer to 90%
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 25, 2018 - 09:48pm PT
But if the commission really wanted to get to the truth they would want him to testify. Again how often do you have a witness in a sexual assault case. Seems like a no brainer that his testimony would be very informative.

I'd say there is a 99.9% chance that his testimony would be that he has no recollection. There is zero evidence or reason to think that anyone other than Kav, Judge, and Ford had any inkling that anything happened at the party. (This is of course assuming that Ford's version of events is more or less true.) I suppose it's interesting speculation that Judge told someone something inconsistent, but think about it: if that's true, then that someone isn't ratting Judge out, or else he/she would have already ratted him out. Judge testifying under oath gives zero additional reason for your hypothetical rat to act.

Take another step back: Ford's story is that Kav and Rich were stumbling drunk. They probably really don't remember what happened (again assuming anything happened). And even if they did: is it really plausible that Judge went around telling people that he was stumbling drunk and tried (but failed) to rape Ford?

What you're falling for is the notion that there's any way to "investigate" Ford's claims. Some things are just unknowable: what if anything happened between Ford, Kav, and Judge is going to be one of those things.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 25, 2018 - 10:02pm PT
Well, it is my hope that those ‘unknowables’ are enough to make Murkowski, Collins and Flake opt against Kavanaugh.

Thursday will be interesting.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 26, 2018 - 05:03am PT
What was your point, again?
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Sep 26, 2018 - 06:10am PT
^^^
he was killin' it out there with the comedy stylings of steven miller
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2018 - 06:18am PT
I'm sure Trump's UN speach played well with the average Trumpian who loves the role of victim. Just like he's convinced these idiots that their hard earned dollars pay for Mexicans to have babies and blacks on Welfare to smoke crack, Trump is driving home the message that their tax dollars are supporting free loading countries that don't support us.

I'm sure China would be quite happy to move in to these third world countries and pay a pittance to take over our military bases and siphon up their resources in our stead.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 26, 2018 - 07:28am PT
if you black out behind the wheel and kill somebody, do you get off because you don't remember?

Nope. But if someone says they think you blacked out behind a wheel and killed someone in, maybe the summer of 1982, maybe some other time in the early 80s, not really sure where, and they didn't tell anyone till many years later, and there's no other evidence that that it happened . . .

(And again, not that it matters, but I'm not fully on Kav's side here and won't break my heart if he's not confirmed even though there's a bit of a soft sport in my heart for certain right winger judges.)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 26, 2018 - 07:39am PT
You have empathy,




For RW judges that may protect the POTUS,look at you.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 07:46am PT
Schmidt ruling again. You better read it in case you want to get back in the gang.

No mention of black out. Ms. Kopechne drowned (actually she suffocated).

It looked as if she were holding herself up to get a last breath of air. It was a consciously assumed position.... She didn't drown. She died of suffocation in her own air void. It took her at least three or four hours to die. I could have had her out of that car twenty-five minutes after I got the call. But he [Ted Kennedy] didn't call.

So it was the Oldsmobile's fault (shades of Christine, oh wait, she was a Plymouth). Next thing you know The Kav will be pinning his attempted rape on Johnnie Walker (Red Laberl).

Kennedy drove the 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88[20] off a narrow, unlit bridge, which lacked guardrails and was not on the route to Edgartown.[13] The Oldsmobile landed on its roof in Poucha Pond. Kennedy extricated himself from the vehicle and survived, but Kopechne did not.[13] She died in the submerged vehicle, eight days shy of her 29th birthday.[13]

Ted Kennedy was not appointed to the Supreme court, and he certainly was culpable in this instance.

Parenthetically, Kennedy lied about it just like The Kav is doing.


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:05am PT
What was your point, again?

I'm too lazy to try and find a link, but I read yesterday a Republican strategist quoted as saying, it was like Trump was created in a lab to offend women.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:09am PT
"it was like Trump was created in a lab to offend women."

Someone should tell that to these women:

ec

climber
ca
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:12am PT
Avenatti delivered today...

In a sworn declaration, Swetnick — a Washington, D.C., resident — said she was a “victim of one of these ‘gang’ or ‘train’ rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present” at a party in Washington D.C., in approximately 1982.
“During the incident, I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me,” she wrote, noting that she shared what happened with “at least two other people” shortly after the incident. “I believe I was drugged using Quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.”
Swetnick said she first met Kavanaugh and Judge, a classmate of Kavanaugh’s who came to the nominee’s defense, around 1980-1981. She described the two as “extremely close friends” who were “joined at the hip.”
She said she attended “well over ten house parties” from 1981-1983. Between 1981-1982, she said at these parties she began to notice Judge, Kavanaugh and others would attempt to “‘spike’ the ‘punch’ at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say ‘No.’” 
Kavanaugh and Judge, she said, would “‘target’ particular girls … it was usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy.” She said she has a “firm recollection” of seeing boys ― including Judge and Kavanaugh ― “lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their ‘turn’ with a girl inside the room.”
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:24am PT
Oh, come on, what real american boy hasn't lined up outside a bedroom with a girl in it?
Trump

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:25am PT
Makes one wonder, huh?

Those idiots stonewalled Obama’s court nomination for a year, and the price they paid was that they got Trump elected, and they got to appoint a conservative judge to the court instead of a more liberal Obama pick. And now those idiots are gonna get to put a second conservative judge on the court.

When will they learn to respect the political price that we imagine they’re going to pay? No way Trump gets elected after that Access Hollywood tape.

In CNN exit polls, 56% of Trump voters said that Supreme Court nominations were the most important issue in their vote for Trump. And then, you know, he won.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:37am PT
I'm seeing some things coming up about more people testifying as to the character of Kavanaugh during those years. Misogyny in clear display.

Also an affadavit from Dr. Ford's husband.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/christine-blasey-brett-kavanaugh-sworn-statement-calendar/

It seems to me that the credibility of Ford's account is rising. It's going to be pretty difficult to have these affadavits presented tomorrow an the GOP say "F 'em" and take their vote on Friday. I mean - what are they going to say - that these people are lying in their statements and they believe Kavanaugh's Calender as proof he couldn't have been there/done that?




apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:44am PT
"I mean - what are they going to say - that these people are lying in their statements and they believe Kavanaugh's Calender as proof he couldn't have been there/done that?"

Umm, yeah, pretty much exactly that.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:51am PT
The unsettling and unsatisfying outcome will likely be that we the public will never know what Kavanaugh did or didn't do in the 80s. This has been made much more difficult to figure out because of the sh#t show orchestrated by the senate.

I don’t think the senate should be seeking a definitive determination as to what happened, but instead try to see if there is enough evidence to rule him out. This is, after all, a job interview, and interviewees for jobs are usually eliminated when there is a doubt—not definitive proof—about qualifications or character.
Trump

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:54am PT
After they elected Trump in the face of the Access Hollywood tape? Nah, I don’t expect it will be that difficult for them. It wasn’t very hard for me to convict Kavanaugh when the allegations first came out.
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