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Topic Author's Original Post - May 31, 2017 - 11:37pm PT
Covfefe

-adjective

1. The condition of acute fatigue due to constant and unsustainable feelings of perceived success: My doctor has ordered bed rest due to excessive feelings of covfefe.

WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
May 31, 2017 - 11:42pm PT
MAGA

It's all fun and memes until it isn't.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2017 - 11:54pm PT
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Jun 1, 2017 - 04:22am PT
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Covfefe
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jun 1, 2017 - 05:09am PT
go covfefe yourself..
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 1, 2017 - 05:48am PT
I'm no Montenegro pal...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 1, 2017 - 06:18am PT
Tweetler strikes again.

What a dullard.

Wake up and smell the covfefe people!
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jun 1, 2017 - 09:13am PT
I'm pretty sure it's a mnemonic for the administration's news release policy - covfefe - Cover feces with feces.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jun 1, 2017 - 09:30am PT
Wow. You know things are getting crazy out there when eKat posts about politics.

He was going for "media coverage" but passed out.

"I don't drink..."

Sure.

We need to come up with a word which defines an incurable addiction to twitter.
Nick Danger

Ice climber
Arvada, CO
Jun 1, 2017 - 09:34am PT
I was wondering when the Taco was going to get all covfefe.

Scott, I think you nailed it.
dee ee

Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
Jun 1, 2017 - 10:07am PT
"Cover feces with feces," AWESOME!
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
Jun 1, 2017 - 11:37am PT
WTFC!!?!
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Jun 1, 2017 - 12:27pm PT
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CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 1, 2017 - 12:53pm PT
Well the mother f* just pulled us out of the Paris Accord.

Tired of winning yet?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 1, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
The ass-wipe wants to re negotiate the accord. Like Trump can actually negotiate with equals. I have seen little evidence of that to be honest.


But come on! Go to the mirror and say covfefe. Admit it, you smile. Just a little maybe? I think he butt tweeted it.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jun 1, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
yeah, great. Coal/petrol jobs and their longevity vs renewable energy jobs?

edit:
He has pretty much proven he can't. Why else would you have had 5 bankruptcies? Somewhere along the line he has always folded and daddy or the US has bailed him out. I wonder how much he and his businesses alone have cost the US taxpayer prior to becoming the POTUS? But hey, the folks on food stamps has made America worse..
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 1, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
Had to tell his beloved and extremely intelligent daughter to FOAD in order to be able to claim he kept a campaign promise. Gov. Brown and China are now the true leaders on climate change. Bizarro world, covfefe?
Contractor

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CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 1, 2017 - 02:09pm PT
I live on an Island that averages 11 feet above sea level.

There'll probably be a sweet shore break where my car is currently parked in about 50 years.





sween345

climber
back east
Jun 1, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
There'll probably be a sweet shore break where my car is currently parked in about 50 months.

http://inhabitat.com/fractured-antarctic-ice-sheet-will-create-the-largest-iceberg-ever-recorded/


Howza bout an iced covfefe?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 1, 2017 - 04:59pm PT
he wanted to say

what a coffufle the blah blah is

but since coffufle isn't a word, and if you spell it wrong as covfefe...
has anyone else said this already?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 1, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
It is amazing how proud a person can be of announcing that they have decided to sh*t in their own nest.
WBraun

climber
Jun 1, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
This what stoopid politard Americans do

They waste their brain cells on the stoopid sh!t Trump tweets .....
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CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2017 - 06:13am PT
All bullshit aside- This guy is going nuts.

Trump's Doctors note during the campaign-
If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency

One question- Does John Miller have the nuclear codes? I don't remember reading anything about him having the security clearance.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jun 6, 2017 - 08:16am PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
So it turned out to be "COVer FEces with FEces" after all.

Today in admitting there are no tapes, Trump had to humiliate himself and remove the layer of feces he had layed over the Comney firing feces.

Still waiting for the removal of the 3 million cases of voter fraud feces and many others.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jun 23, 2017 - 07:35am PT
:-)

The torture never stops..................
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Jun 23, 2017 - 08:12am PT
A dream by one man for power has become a pathetic quest of validation for he and his followers in the annals history and the eyes of many worldwide. I grieve for all of us and the innocents who are and will be affected by Trump's egregious decisions, and lack of reason and common sense.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jun 23, 2017 - 08:22am PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 23, 2017 - 08:52am PT
Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 23, 2017 - 09:13am PT
kerfuffle
he couldn't spell kerfuffle

so he typed covfefe
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 24, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
Thank you, New York Times, I couldn't keep up!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jun 24, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
What's the matter with you people? Trump is making American great again. It says so on DRUDGEREPORT. Alex Honnold's free solo of Freerider happened under Trump's Presidency. He deserves the credit, not Honnold. Also, the drought ended this winter, Trump deserves credit for that too.
Contractor

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CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2017 - 06:11am PT
He has this fake Time Magazine cover hanging in his office.

It's been a multi front battle to keep this d#@&%ebag in check.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 28, 2017 - 06:23am PT
Tilt the head a bit more, sneer, lose the rug, and it's Il Duce.^^^^
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 28, 2017 - 08:53am PT
Covfefe means "only I can fix Venezuela."
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jun 29, 2017 - 09:13am PT
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/news/press-releases/Black-Girls-Viewed-As-Less-Innocent-Than-White-Girls-Georgetown-Law-Research-Finds.cfm

What's the righteous response to that? Covfefe!

Or maybe as a righteous Trump supporter our white parent hero could go adopt a black girl, and then, as the awesome role model he is for a black daughter, call Michelle Obama a man. Nothing teaches them their place in society - the adultification and masculinization and minimization of needs and value of a black daughter - the way our white-daddy-knows-best's attitude does.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 29, 2017 - 10:06am PT
It ain't never gonna stop.......


I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 29, 2017

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 29, 2017

What a f*#king disgrace. This, this is from the President of The United States of America. Man, grow up and get a life.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 29, 2017 - 10:52am PT
It is interesting how quiet and professional Obama has remained. I think the silence infuriates Trump, he really wants to get into a twitter war with Obama. Sad times for our country, we are truly being tested.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 29, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
A fat mysoginist, that is painted orange with a comb-over, that truly believes exercise
is bad for you, calling out someone for getting plastic surgery.

Viva Presidente Trump, Lord of the absurd.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 29, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
You might to look at it in this context.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/GeneralNeurology/65509?pop=0&ba=1&xid=tbla-md-neuro

My wife, who has Psychology training, brought this up last August.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 29, 2017 - 05:44pm PT


He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or ambassadors, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”

TRUMP: “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things...my primary consultant is myself”

He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals, believe me.”

TRUMP: “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”

You know what? I don’t believe him.

TRUMP: “We don't even really know who the leader [of ISIS] is.”

He believes climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese...

TRUMP: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

and has the gall to say prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.

TRUMP: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured, ok? I hate to tell you.”

This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.

ANDERSON COOPER: Saudi Arabia, nuclear weapons?

TRUMP: Saudi Arabia, absolutely.

This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home.

TRUMP: “We don't really need NATO in its current form. NATO is obsolete… if we have to walk, we walk.”

He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.

TRUMP: “I’ve borrowed knowing that you can pay back with discounts... I would borrow knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal.”

He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture...

TRUMP: “Don’t tell me it doesn’t work — torture works… Waterboarding is fine, but it’s not nearly tough enough, ok?”

and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists...

TRUMP: "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families”

even though those are war crimes.

TRUMP: “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me, If I say do it, they’re going to do it.”

He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin...

TRUMP: "I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he's getting an 'A,' and our president is not doing so well.”

and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister…

TRUMP: "It looks like we are not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows?"

the mayor of London…

TRUMP: "Let's take an I.Q. test... I think they're very rude statements and frankly, tell him, I will remember those statements."

the German chancellor…

TRUMP: “What Merkel has done is incredible, it’s actually mind boggling. Everyone thought she was a really great leader and now she’s turned out to be this catastrophic leader. And she’ll be out if they don’t have a revolution.”

the president of Mexico…

TRUMP: “I don't know about the Hitler comparison [President Nieto made]. I hadn't heard that, but it's a terrible comparison. I'm not happy about that certainly. I don't want that comparison, but we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant”

and the Pope.

TRUMP: “I don’t think [the Pope] understands the danger of the open border that we have with Mexico. I think Mexico got him to [criticize the wall] it because they want to keep the border just the way it is. They’re making a fortune, and we’re losing.”

He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

TRUMP: “I know Russia well. I had a major event in Russia two or three years ago, Miss Universe contest, which was a big, big, incredible event.”

And to top it off, he believes America is weak. An embarrassment.

TRUMP: "I think we've become very weak and ineffective."

He called our military a disaster.

TRUMP: “Our military is a disaster.”

He said we’re – quote – a “third-world country.”

TRUMP: “We have become a third world country, folks.”

That’s why it’s no small thing when he talks about leaving NATO or says he’ll stay neutral on Israel’s security.

TRUMP: “Let me be sort of a neutral guy.”

It’s no small thing when he calls Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers.

TRUMP: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

More Daily briefings from orange garbarfe

https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-quotes-crazy-racist-idiot-2733864
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 29, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jun 29, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
This is the linguistic style that won the election, no? If he started speaking in complete sentences, and using words like "subsided", "inclination", and "discredited", his base might bolt. Maybe covfefe is just him testing the waters of how low he can go, what the optimally obscure and childish style is? Which way did his approval rating (not his approval rating among those of us who disapprove of him ..) go when he tweeted it?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 29, 2017 - 09:36pm PT
“Look, I don’t think you can expect someone to be personally attacked day after day, minute by minute, and sit back,” deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters at the White House.

Gee, I'm sort of thinking about what Obama had to put up with .... and Donald lead the charge. You poor, poor victim little Donny. Jesus, grow up. You're the f*#king President of the United States for god's sake. What a dick.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 29, 2017 - 10:18pm PT
This is the linguistic style that won the election, no? If he started speaking in complete sentences, and using words like "subsided", "inclination", and "discredited", his base might bolt

His base doesn't know what those words mean.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 07:33am PT
Not to worry folks...
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 30, 2017 - 12:17pm PT
It's gotten to the point where I await the Friday or Saturday night tweet storm with a sort of anticipatory glee. How low can he go? No clue, but I suspect it's way lower than I can imagine; we are soon to find out.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 30, 2017 - 12:49pm PT
No mention of Harold "The Dude" Bornstein is complete without a pic

divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jun 30, 2017 - 02:07pm PT
C'mon, someone defend Trump. I need a good laugh.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 30, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
Okay divad, I'll give it a try.

Trump has got the most interesting hair I've ever seen.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jun 30, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
I appreciate the efforts, but you guys are no Kellyanne Conway..
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 30, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
Michael Kinsley wrote:

Mrs. Clinton believes that Mr. Comey cost her the election by revealing, shortly before Election Day, that her emails were still under investigation.

It’s hard to imagine that Mrs. Clinton wouldn’t have fired Mr. Comey too if she’d gotten the chance, which makes the whole fuss a bit suspect.

It seems that both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump had reservations about Mr. Comey. Mr. Trump is just the one who fired him.

Does that qualify as saying something nice about the president?

Michael Kinsley is a columnist at Vanity Fair and author of “Old Age: A Beginner’s Guide.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/29/opinion/sunday/the-upside-to-the-presidential-twitter-feed.html
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 30, 2017 - 04:47pm PT
Hmmmmmm ... okay divad,

With this guy Harold "The Dude" Bornstein as his personal physician and 300 pounds for greasy fat to keep him from floating away, Trump ain't gonna reach 72.

No, no, sorry, that wasn't supportive of the Pres'. I'll rephrase:

Trump, with his fine physique and incredible fitness and with the aid of his long time personal physician Harold "The Dude" Bornstein, will outlive some people.


That's actually him, standing very still.

Front shot.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Jun 30, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
Some Presidential Quotes

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” ― Abraham Lincoln

“The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.” —Donald Trump

“Remember, remember always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists.” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt

“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud” Donald Trump

“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Abraham Lincoln

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”  Donald Trump

“You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything….Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” Donald Trump

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” Abraham Lincoln
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 30, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 30, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
Unfortunately, for some Trump supporters his quotes are better than Lincoln's. I'm still waiting for Republicans to put country before party, but it ain't gonna happen. This 'man' totally revealed himself during the campaign as a misogynistic, egocentric, crude, intellectually disinterested shadow of a human being and he still won. He didn't get a majority of the votes, which irks him to this day, but by our rules he became president.

It's incredible to think he's been in office for less than 6 months and to look at the disarray, the lack of direction, and the abrogation of what a president should be. I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he is president of America, but is rather the president of those who voted for him. I look back at some of the recent persons who have been president. Kennedy, Truman, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Bush the 1st, even Clinton who balanced the budget, Obama, and then compare them to Trump. Nixon, who resigned the Presidency, started the EPA for god's sake and opened China. What a disaster this Trump presidency will be, with the good of the nation a foreign concept to the mighty Trumpster.

This man cannot think, he can only act. And he can only act in his own perceived best interest and, unfortunately, the good of the nation will not be congruent to the good of Donald Trump. I'm glad Jefferson, Washington, Adams, and the others can't see how far we have fallen; they would be appalled at what is going on. I am pretty sure we are, as a group, dumber than our ancestors. We have fancy technology and scientific truths that our predecessors could not even guess at, but we are dumber.

That's my Friday night with a couple of beers rant.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 30, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
Well, not quite the end of my rant. Infowars latest. Yeah, WTF are they smoking, but still a bunch of Trumpistas will pick up on this and really believe it. This is how far we have fallen. A pedophile colony on Mars. Oddly enough I've been rereading Edgar Rice Burroughs Mars chronicles (highly recommended for a number of reasons); guess Burrough was just ahead of his time (by like 100 years).

“This may strike your listeners as way out, but we actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20 year ride,” Steele began. “So that once they get to Mars they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony. There’s all kinds of—”
Damn.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 30, 2017 - 10:18pm PT
The Outlaws of Mars?
He's my back-stabbin', pussy-grabbin' man,
Oh yeah,
He's got more hands than any other man, man,
Oh yeah,
He's the POTUS of the USA.
--Bridget

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2017 - 05:07am PT
https://d2p68frzdak43d.cloudfront.net/independent/media/2017/07/09/asset-2825865-1499593551241162.mp4
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Jul 9, 2017 - 06:37am PT
aaahhh shucks
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 9, 2017 - 02:37pm PT


Close enough in these days of alternate facts.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jul 9, 2017 - 05:03pm PT
Damn!!! Get it. Oh, you're in Cali. If this sh#t wasn't so important it would be funny, which, actually, it is.
Watusi

Social climber
Newport, OR
Jul 10, 2017 - 11:04pm PT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2017 - 05:17am PT
Watusi, that's hilarious and a bit scary!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 11, 2017 - 08:57am PT
Watusi, that's hilarious and a bit scary!

lol... you bastard... white shirt and coffee this morning... where do I send the cleaning bill?!!

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 11, 2017 - 06:03pm PT
Lots of funny stuff here, and I fear cluttering the jokes with something serious. I didn't want to put this in the National Policy Issues thread with potential derailment of Trump bashing and defending. So here goes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/from-russia-with-love/533235/

This is pretty damning stuff- not just the press reactions but read through the actual email trail. This is what Trump Jr himself released, so the contents should not be subject to repudiation. There is no mistaking the intent and direct conspiracy with parties identified as top level Russian government in the email trail. How could Trump, as candidate for President, not know of a meeting that included his namesake son, his heir-to-throne son-in-law, and his campaign manager? No point in excluding Trump himself from knowledge because not all 3 of those would fall on their sword to protect Trump? Well Manafort already did... but the other two?


The most damning excerpts in my mind:
{
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump
 helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it
directly?
}

The direct email reply from Trump's son:
{
perhaps ljust speak to Emin first. Seems we
have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week
}


Beyond the explicit admission of Russian government connection to information at a high level (perhaps some semantics can be argued whether the Russian government is actually the source of the info, but being mentioned in the same sentence should be a screaming alarm bell for anyone with any fear of getting caught or prosecution, if not basic integrity and ethics)... beyond that, Trump Jr's email response alludes to a prior conversation where he knew the general content and/or intent of the material, it indicates he was supportive of and suggesting how the other party should act with that info to most damage Hillary... so he is not just a passive listener (which would be bad enough) but acting in conjunction with, even suggesting/guiding the behavior of, another party explicitly linked to the Russian government. Definition of conspiracy, with a foreign government, to disclose data from a time period of a sitting Secretary of State.

Holy cow.


Compare these admitted facts with the text of just one section of the Espionage Act:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,...

(b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense...

(c)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter;

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

(h)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.
(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.



Analysis:
1. Trump Jr clearly knows the data was about the sitting Secretary of State, therefore defense-related.
2. Trump Jr clearly knows the information is high level, and that Russians are involved, and that the Russian government supports Trump. Any reasonable person would conclude the information is for the benefit of a foreign government. Why else would they be involved? Not all reasonable people might recognize the specific benefit to Russia but at least it should be looked upon with suspicion and anyone should recognize that Russian involvement is for their own benefit rather than for magnanimity. Perhaps an ignorant businessperson could claim "it was a win/win situation" where Trump campaign benefits and the Russian govt benefits. But ignorance is not a defense for violating a law. One example of a way in which Russia would benefit: favorable policy treatment or other political outcome of Trump being President of USA- nationalist/internal focus with weakening of NATO for Russia to exert more influence or take more control of Europe). In a real sense, the Trump campaign's attitude toward this information might have directly resulted in the weakening of NATO and the vulnerability of Europe to Russian encroachment.


So we have a clear cut case for multiple points of guilt in Espionage Act (CFR Title 18 Section 37). The consequences of being convicted include surrendering ALL PROPERTY obtained as a consequence of this involvement. How do you quantify the benefits for the Trump family of Trump being President? Chinese trademark disputes settled... Mar a Lago upgrades... brand enhancement (you can bet they would negotiate this value as "billions" as a consequence of Trump being President, if they wanted to sell all holdings in an arms-length transaction), hotels and golf courses in every foreign nation where USA policies directly influence all business operations around the world....

Holy cow.

Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Jul 11, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 11, 2017 - 11:16pm PT
^^^
Beer exits nose.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 12, 2017 - 09:36am PT
I guess this thread is the safe place to have fun with Trump stuff without blowing a gasket, and I violated that. Sorry folks! Didn't want to create another political thread, didn't want to soil the policy issue discussion thread.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 12, 2017 - 09:42am PT
Andy Serkis in character as Gollum reading trump tweets:

https://www.google.com/amp/mashable.com/2017/07/12/andy-serkis-gollum-reading-donald-trump-tweets.amp

Zoom to 3:40.

Classic!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 12, 2017 - 10:02am PT
Sorry folks! Didn't want to create another political thread, didn't want to soil the policy issue discussion thread.

Holy Cowfeve!!!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Jul 12, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
Stephen Colbert explains the meaning of "covfefe". He links it to a videotape showing Trump with Moscow hookers.



The 'covfefe" riff starts at about 2:10

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2017 - 01:42pm PT
Hating what Trump stands for and understanding that he is an ominous threat to our public lands and environment is a non-partisan issue.

Although Im generally liberal, I support our Republican friends and their fight for a smaller government, fiscal responsibility and personal freedoms-what's Trump got to do with that?

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 12, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
Weird Al should produce a parody of Tina Turner's song "What's Love Got to Do With It."

What's Trump got to do
Got to do
Got to do with it?
What's Trump but a second hand delusion

Or whatever...
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
💩's about to hit the fan folks.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 19, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
💩's about to hit the fan folks.

The fan's a bit smudgy already.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jul 20, 2017 - 09:16pm PT
If Covfefe is so innocent why is he not helping the investigation show that by making all records, persons, etc. available and transparent? The repubs are so wiling to say 'if you're not guilty you have nothing to hide'. Guess the mighty Covfefe might be sort of guilty. The big one seems to have his team investigating if he can pardon himself. It will be an interesting couple of weeks.

On a climbing note, the PCT seems to be pretty much clear of snow in the Chinook/White Pass area, by my short trip last weekend. Some depth still in northern spots, but easy.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
He's about to fire Mueller. Trump's attorneys are searching for a dirt on Mueller and his legal team as an excuse.

The investigation is bird dogging right to Trump's taxes.
He's basically tree'd at this point and the dogs are barking.

I wonder how Emerson is?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2017 - 10:31pm PT

Jul 19, 2017 - 10:28pm PT
dirtbag that Andy Serkis bit doing gollum was totes man.

DMT

I could've easily watched him do a dozen more!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:52am PT
The Saturday night massacre all over...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
Does Trump Have a Case Against Mueller?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/21/robert-mueller-trump-roundtable-215404

"The terms of [Mueller's] appointment are sweeping, including not only investigating any links and coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, and obstruction of that investigation, but also "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." That, of course includes any Russia-related or other financial misconduct that Mueller may discover about Trump, his family members, or his businesses."

To clear up one legal question Trump is said to be exploring: A president does not have self-pardon powers. -Norman Eisen
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 09:32pm PT
We can quote all the legal scholars we want.

What it comes down to, is what the Supreme Court ends up saying.


5-4 I think.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2017 - 10:44pm PT
So this is how it will go:


Japan’s First Lady won major internet points after finding a way to avoid talking to Donald Trump at the recent G20 summit — by pretending not to speak any English.

Akie Abe, the wife of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo, was seated next to the controversial POTUS at a dinner on July 8, which marked the end of the two-day summit in Hamburg, Germany, reports the Mirror.

In an interview with the New York Times, Trump explained that he was not able to converse with Mrs. Abe because she doesn’t understand English.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 21, 2017 - 10:54pm PT
Trump was fresh out of blue pills and tic tacs and wasn't interested in grabbing some G-20 nooky.....The .not speaking english is more fake news...
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2017 - 07:22am PT
Geoffrey's demise was a tad too quick and painless- I'm ashamed to admit that I hold high hopes of GREAT public suffering. RAD!
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
I fixed it for him.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Aug 20, 2017 - 12:22am PT
Contract0r dumbs things down to the lowest level.

contractors level is really low

low lifes don't matter
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2017 - 07:31am PT
"Low lifes don't matter" I like it!
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Aug 20, 2017 - 03:06pm PT
I just thought he meant that a protest getting out of hand was necessary to declare martial law and put us all on a short leash.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 20, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
Get on board bitches. It's a code word for child slavers and trafficers in Cebu.

"It may be white slavery, but it's white and minimal cost, great, great returns"

-dTrump

He will discuss it all in his deposition. Well, at least he will be asked.

And yeah, that was menstrual blood, not pig, on those Pershing bullets. Right offa some fresh young-grabbed-pussy.



Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 21, 2017 - 09:48am PT
.The not speaking english is more fake news...


How do you figure? Trump was widely quoted in all media that he could not communicate with the Japanese First Lady, because she did not speak english.

There are also videos, widely available, of the First Lady giving speeches in fluent english.......
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 22, 2017 - 07:20am PT
Ken, I haven't heard those videos of her speaking "fluent English," my 30 second fact check shows you're full of it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/20/why-japans-first-lady-was-probably-not-snubbing-president-trump/?utm_term=.47ddd0be26c5

Seems obvious from the WaPo article that she speaks a few words of English (and she would know "hello"), but she is NOT fluent and may not be able to speak more than a few canned lines of pleasantries.

(As for her giving a speech in English--well I suppose someone could write Japanese phonetically and you or I could give a speech in Japanese . . .)
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 22, 2017 - 01:20pm PT
Days after Donald Trump was elected president, Dave Chappelle made his much-anticipated appearance hosting Saturday Night Live. After describing the hope he felt on a recent visit to the White House alongside other black, "historically disenfranchised" artists, he told the audience, “I’m wishing Donald Trump luck. And I’m going to give him a chance, and we, the historically disenfranchised, demand that he give us one too. Thank you very much.”

Six months later, Chappelle is taking it back. During his set at the Robin Hood Gala in New York in May, he offered up an apology for those choice words during his monologue, according to NBC’s Willie Geist, who was in the audience. “I was the first guy on TV to say ‘Give Trump a chance,’” he told the crowd. “I f—ed up. Sorry.”
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump’s claim that Barack Obama wiretapped him received a strong denial on Monday from the former President, who said to reporters, “Like I’d want to hear more from that fool?”
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Sep 3, 2017 - 04:45pm PT
Covfefe is what someone tweets when they get their head stuck in their butt and can't remove it.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 3, 2017 - 05:27pm PT
Trump traffics underage girls. The truth will out. Maybe part of the big deluge or maybe just another golden shower, but it will happen.

Little Donny's first tweet to dad




Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 3, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
Blah, you obviously do not do any public speaking.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 14, 2017 - 09:03am PT
Fareed Zakaria on the most important lesson of the Trump presidency...
https://www.vox.com/2017/9/14/16287506/fareed-zakaria-trump-presidency-lesson

Note: One can google Zakaria's Rise of Illiberal Democracy - which is behind a paywall at Foreign Affairs. Avail at Columbia, eg.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 21, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
At least "dotard" is a real word.

Not bad for an English as a second language speaker:
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Kim-Jong-Un-Calls-Trump-a-Dotard-and-12219365.php

edit: according to CNN,
Kim, of course, did not say the word -- he was speaking in Korean. "Dotard" was the official English translation provided by state news agency KCNA for the Korean "늙다리미치광이" ("neulg-dali-michigwang-i"), which literally translates as "old lunatic."
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 21, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
I just covfefe you dogwarts
Nuglet

Trad climber
Orange Murica!
Sep 22, 2017 - 08:28am PT
covfefe is from Nambia

everyone know that, duh!
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2017 - 02:09pm PT
https://youtu.be/biehbIPqV8c
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
Isn't that great!!
dirtbag

climber
Oct 31, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
Funny!
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Oct 31, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
The stuff dreams are made of.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
https://youtu.be/biehbIPqV8c

Prophetic
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 22, 2018 - 12:21am PT
Don't forget the cannoli!
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Aug 22, 2018 - 03:45am PT
ec

climber
ca
Aug 22, 2018 - 12:53pm PT
https://youtu.be/ihG7ZO6iEmg

http://youtu.be/iMZ2vx-RXko
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends? -Abraham Lincoln
Short and tactful endzone dances are to be expected but the Trump's and Clinton's of the world need to be put in check by a preponderance of the masses. The breadth of Trump's misdeeds will soon revealed and perhaps a broad political spectrum will demand an end to anonymous and unlimited donations as a start.

Surely Jody, Edward T, Pizzaman, blahblah, et al. would join in on something so fundamentally prudent. Then let the political chips fall where they may.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 09:55am PT
Give it a ten on the off-the-scale meter, but can we dance to it?

President Donald Trump on Thursday suggested that “flipping” to make a deal with prosecutors “almost ought to be outlawed,” and falsely claimed that his former personal attorney Michael Cohen’s crimes “weren’t crimes.”
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 23, 2018 - 11:53am PT
"those guys who can stand up to the government, I respect them a lot. Nobody does this anymore. It’s too hard.” - Dominick Montiglio, Gambino crime family soldier

"I got a lot of respect for the guys who don’t break under the pressure, the FBI pressure, or whatever,” - Sammy "the Bull" Gravano, Gambine crime family underboss

"I feel very badly for Paul Manafort ... [the Justice Department] applied tremendous pressure on him and ...he refused to ‘break’ Such respect for a brave man!" - our current president
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 23, 2018 - 12:38pm PT
^^^+++^^^
If it was up to me he would be a future recipient of the congressional medal of freedom.

Oh just like the one Congressman who wanted to give Strzok a Purple Heart? Loevely.
So after a year and half Mueller got some rich jerk on tax evasion which has jack sh#t to do with Trump, Russians, or the 2016 election. He's had how many many years of highly talented lawyer time to get that?

Seems like a colossal waste of resources at this point, time for the libs to admit there's no collusion (or at least no legally prohibited collusion) and move on.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 23, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
Can't figure out which is less appealing; President Pence or 2 more years of the orange tornado.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
Can't figure out which is less appealing; President Pence or 2 more years of the orange tornado.

Unlike those on the right who tolerate the immorality of Trump because they like his agenda, I'd rather see Trump out of office. Pence seems more competent and may move that agenda along better (which for the most part I don't agree with), but Trump is so disgraceful and has done so much damage to the office of the President and the reputation of the country I'd like to see him go down in disgrace so hopefully we don't make the same type of mistake in the future.

IF Mueller's report has substantial evidence of Trump conspiring with the Russian's illegal activity to sway the election (which is clearly a felony) it will be interesting to see how much support drains from Trump and when. I was already shocked with the so called "moral" people on the right held their nose and voted for someone bragging about sexual assault (of course they are able to delude themselves into thinking it was just locker room talk), but if there's evidence beyond a reasonable doubt he committed felony crimes it will be interesting to see how many people can spin it in their own minds and for how long. The hypocrisy of chanting "lock her up" for cooked Hillary's much less egregious crimes while allowing Trump a pass for much worse stuff is staggering.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
blat always talks like he seen all the evidence

how'd he get the inside channel?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:15pm PT
You forgot about Cohen, blahblah

Kind of convenient, that doublethink.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:21pm PT
We have to be careful here.

I mean it's not crazy-stupid to think Trump could flip out
at some point under all this pressure, press the button and
vaporize us all.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
It is illegal to plan to meet to be given "dirt" (thing of value) on your political opponents from non-citizens. This is a conspiracy to accept an illegal campaign contribution and borerline treason accepting it from a foe of the USA regardless of whether any "dirt" is received or not. Just like a conspiracy to rob a bank or any other crime. Yes bro, it is legally prohibited and it doesn't matter if the bank gets robbed if it can be proven the criminals were serious in their intent.

Yet the DNC and Hillary get a pass for hiring a foreign national to get dirt from Russian officials. Hmm.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
These politard topics keep getting intentionally infected with ad hominem trolls, for the specific purpose of getting them locked. I don't understand why the moderators don't single out the ad hominem posters, and allow the presenters of facts to remain in conversation.






August 21, 2018 was DAY ONE of the countdown to Mueller's final vindication.

The Trump Avalanche cut loose on that day, and is slowly gaining momentum as it slides down into a bottomless abyss.



DAY ONE:

Manafort and Cohen were both convicted in Federal court on eight felony counts each. Cohen is cooperating with investigators. Manafort is "weighing his options".



DAY TWO:

New York State tax officials subpoenaed Cohen, and he immediately called them to schedule a meeting. They are pursuing Trump for state tax fraud related to his phony Trump Foundation. The IRS and Federal Election Commission are also investigating the Trump Foundation's financial irregularities. Trump's three oldest children are also subjects of the Trump Foundation investigations.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/politics/michael-cohen-trump-foundation-subpoena/index.html

The State and Federal agencies will access Trump's tax returns, and possibly make them public. Like Trump, Paul Manafort never released his tax returns; the special prosecutor simply subpoenaed them from the IRS. Mueller didn't need Manafort's cooperation in obtaining the evidence that convicted him.



DAY THREE:

David Pecker, the publisher of the National Enquirer, has been granted immunity by Mueller. Pecker was the one who made the $150,000 Playboy Payoff, and his testimony and evidence will corroborate what Michael Cohen told a Federal judge on DAY ONE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/politics/david-pecker-immunity-trump.html


Pecker and Cohen are enough to sink Trump for felony election fraud. The framers of the Constitution were concerned about someone becoming president through fraud or bribery. So, they included a provision for impeaching and removing an illegitimate president from office.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-the-founders-thought-about-impeachment-and-the-president




When Trump escalates his defensive strategy of lies and denials, Mueller's obstruction case against him will also escalate.






Here's how Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh wrote about how a sitting president should be treated by the courts, if he engages in lies, obstruction of justice, and/or a "pattern of revolting behavior".

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-kavanaugh-obstruction-20180823-story.html


Kavanaugh's strict rules of conduct were directed at Bill Clinton in 1998. Since then, Kavanaugh has changed his mind and currently believes that the president has substantial powers to remain in office, regardless of his behavior.



Here are some excerpts from Mike Pence's radio show performances during the late 1990s, when Bill Clinton was president.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/kfile-mike-pence-moral-columns/index.html

Like Kavanaugh, Pence's moral relativism allows him to fully support the current president and his lies, obstruction of justice, and pattern of revolting behavior.



It's a pathetic and disgusting fact of modern American life that money and power addicts would rather see America destroyed by an incompetent megalomaniac, than to lose even a small measure of partisan favoritism.


Evangelicals will probably be the first to abandon Trump. Their 2016 goal to block Hillary has been accomplished. Their hypocritical support of Trump is being overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of his irrefutable turpitude. Evangelicals can be expected to oppose a presidential pardon by Pence. Now that Trump is being fully exposed as a wicked sinner, Evangelicals will want to cast him into their mythical Lake of Fire.


the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 23, 2018 - 02:18pm PT
Evangelicals will probably be the first to abandon Trump.

I don't think so. I think it will be the moderates. Social liberals / economic conservatives who have somewhat of an open mind (not that there's many left that support Trump). Many ultra religious people can really delude themselves into believing what they need to believe and finding ways to make their supposed moral teachings fit immoral beliefs and actions (e.g. discrimination).
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 23, 2018 - 02:21pm PT
Yet the DNC and Hillary get a pass for hiring a foreign national to get dirt from Russian officials. Hmm.

And there you have it. Unable to tell the difference in the law and what (likely) took place.

Accepting an illegal campaign contribution (thing of value) from hostile foreigners in exchange for foreign policy changes (Treason) is completely different from paying a British citizen to collect things of value with nothing else expected in return.

The real crime is what treasonous quid pro quo Cheeto the Ass Clown offered in exchange, which was an by all appearances the altering of USA Foreign Policy towards Russian criminal activity in Crimea and Ukraine. Basically accepting murder and annexation of sovereign territory in exchange for the info contrary to existing International and USA Law.

But that kind of treasony nuance is beyond you.

As I understand it, federal election laws have never been interpreted to make the mere transmission of information from anyone, foreign or domestic, illegal, and if they were so interpreted, they likely would be struck down as violative of the First Amendment.

The libs would love to try to restrict our freedom of speech rights, but we've finally got a court that takes the First Amendment seriously (see, e.g., Citizens United), so this lib pipe dream that that Trump is in trouble merely for obtaining info from the Russkies is just that.

(Now all bests are off if there was a quid pro quo, but good luck proving that!)
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2018 - 02:33pm PT
The Dossier was, in no way backed by the British government or any government representative.

The Russian government and it's representatives conspired with representatives of an American campaign to subvert a fair election. This crime was committed when the infamous Trump Tower meeting occurred. The acceptance of the meeting under the pretext laid out in Don Jr's emails makes this a simple fact.

It's so cut and dry that one can't help but question the honesty of anyone that denies this.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 23, 2018 - 02:36pm PT
A campaign contribution is "anything of value" like opposition research.

Quite certain "freedom of speech" does not cover hacking dnc servers by Russians bro.

Go back and read what I said and think about it a little more, you don't need to fly off the handle and post every ten seconds. You're making some very flawed arguments at this point.

Here's a good article explaining why your fantasy of busting Trump merely for hearing the Russkies out would be unconstitutional:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/12/can-it-be-a-crime-to-do-opposition-research-by-asking-foreigners-for-information/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b1a736ac6138

Please read it and educate yourself a bit before posting.

Edit:
Contractor, looks like you've got to read the link too and learn a little bit about how the First Amendment works . . .
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:00pm PT
Accepting an illegal campaign contribution (thing of value) from hostile foreigners in exchange for foreign policy changes (Treason)

Nice bit of fiction.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
What the public knows is Trump Jr. met with Russians for the purpose of getting damaging info about Hillary and then he and Trump lied about it, I doubt that's against the law, but why lie about it if it was legal? (well Trump IS an incompetent buffoon). But it's enough to launch an investigation. We don't know what Mueller knows. Did Trump's team know the info was from illegal hacking? If yes, then that's conspiracy. Is there evidence that Trump said he'd give them favorable treatment? If yes then he's selling out the country for his political gain. If they were just stupid and brought this on themselves and there's no more evidence of wrogn doing then I have no pity for them because they lied.

There's plenty of smoke but no fire yet, but again we don't know what Mueller has, and he's smart enough to not indicate what's in his hand.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:15pm PT
It’s quite silly and naive that some folks think this should’ve been wrapped up by now.

This is why it takes so long:

“A conspiracy like this...a conspiracy investigation...the rope has to tighten slowly around everyone's neck. You build convincingly from the outer edges in, you get ten times the evidence you need against the Hunts and the Liddys. They feel hopelessly finished - they may not talk right away, but the grip is on them. Then you move up and do the same thing at the next level. If you shoot too high and miss, then everyone feels more secure. Lawyers work this way.”

-Deep Throat, 1972

Watergate took 2 years to investigate.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
1. Met with, not just Russians, rather Russian representatives as documented in the email.

2. To receive something of value for the Trump campaign from the Russian Representatives as stated by the Russian representatives in the email and replied to, specifically related to the thing of value by Don Jr.

There is no grey area.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
Mostly you are wasting your time trying to explain to Trump voters collusion between Team Trump and Foreign governments.

They prove with every post they do not have the depth of intellect to understand the concepts.

Better to try to get them to understand that Donald Trump can now be indicted for at least two Felonies, trying to influence his own election results by ordering payment to silence women.

Keep it simple, remember who they voted for and incredibly still support.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
@realputinsb*tch is making Tricky Dick look like a choir boy.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
The mere act of soliciting foreign election assistance violates Federal campaign laws. Nothing has to be received, at all, for the crime to occur, and for a conviction to be obtained.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20


11 CFR 110.20 (g) Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals.

No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.



When Donald "Junior Mint" Trump agreed to meet with Kremlin representatives at Trump Tower to obtain "dirt on Clinton", he violated Federal campaign law. When he lied under oath to Congress about the meeting, he committed perjury. When he conspired with his father to obstruct Mueller's investigation, he committed yet another felony.


Trump claims "no collusion" because "nothing came of it".

That is similar to a robber waving a gun around, and then claiming no crime was committed because the bank tellers didn't give him any money.


A similar situation occurs with respect to conspiracy. The mere act of planning to commit a crime with others is a crime, in and of itself. The underlying crime does not have to take place. This is what happens when police discover, and disrupt, a plan to detonate a bomb. Even if the bomb is never made, the crime of conspiracy exists because of the cooperative intent to commit the crime.

Solicitation of murder-for-hire is another example of a crime that exists without a separate, intended crime being committed.


Trump's forthcoming false defense that his campaign staff was a gaggle of fools, who were ignorant of Federal election laws, has been preemptively refuted by Trump himself - Paul Manafort worked on the presidential campaigns of both Ronald Reagan and Bob Dole.









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I try to provide supporting facts, whenever possible, unless I am just blowing "truthful hyperbole" out there for comedic effect.


It is truly astonishing that Fox News, and others, will falsely broadcast that "no such campaign law exists", when a ten-second Google search proves them to be liars.

We are living in Orwellian times. There is an ongoing battle for reality, and the opposition, Fox News, presents tabloid trash fiction as if it were legitimate, factual information. Sadly, many Americans are unable to separate reality from what they would like reality to be. Fox News preys on those people by telling them what they want to hear. The same people are easy prey for unscrupulous salesmen, like Donald Trump, who will lie if they think that is what people want to hear.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:54pm PT
When Donald "Junior Mint" Trump coordinated with the Russians' representative, Rob Goldstone, to set up the meeting at Trump Tower, to obtain "dirt on Clinton", he violated Federal campaign laws. When he lied under oath to Congress about the meeting, he committed perjury. When he conspired with his father to obstruct Mueller's investigation, he committed yet another felony.

What's the campaign law violated for setting up the meeting? Edit: I see you added it above. Real facts (vs. unsupported opinions) are most appreciated!

I forgot he lied under oath, ouch. It's telling how quiet Mueller and others have been about this stuff. Indicates he has bigger fish to fry and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the tip of the iceberg and he has evidence of even more serious stuff.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 23, 2018 - 04:07pm PT
So far, so good,
The slugs are turning, yellow belly's to the salt, leaving a slime trail
& the right man in is in jail.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 23, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
One has to wonder^^^^^^^^^^^
He will never be re-elected.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
I forgot he lied under oath, ouch. It's telling how quiet Mueller and others have been about this stuff. Indicates he has bigger fish to fry and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the tip of the iceberg and he has evidence of even more serious stuff.


Mueller's investigation can be compared to a TV poker game. Mueller is playing steadily and silently, growing his stack of chips.

Trump and his supporters are like the obnoxious poker player Phil Hellmouth, who attempts to disrupt his opponent's game with absurd challenges, such as to reveal what he's holding before the hand has been completely played. And, like Hellmouth, when Trumplicans lose they falsely complain that the winner didn't play the game properly.



The Mueller Maelstrom has not even reached Category One status yet. When it spins up to speed, and begins to feed off of two years of investigative pressure, it will reach at least Category Five status.

The people denying that Mueller has anything on Trump are like people at Mar-A-Lago looking at a clear sky, and disputing what the National Weather Service says is headed their way.


When I get around to it, I will draw up the temperature-entropy (T-S) diagram for the Mueller Cycle, and compare it to the T-S diagram for a hurricane. The main difference is that the Mueller Cycle is predominantly driven by pressure, while a hurricane is predominantly driven by heat.



The four stages of the basic Mueller Cycle are:


INTAKE - cooperative witnesses are drawn into an investigation

COMPRESSION - pressure is applied to the witnesses by prosecutors

IGNITION - explosive witness testimony supplies power back to the prosecutors

EXHAUST - the witnesses are discharged to the atmosphere, or into a Federal detention facility for a subsequent extraction process

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 23, 2018 - 05:21pm PT
Thanks Tom, it is proving true

Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency.

Just last week, Trump sued porn star Stormy Daniels for $20 million. He then fired Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, 26 hours short of retiring with his pension. Trump's lawyers have demanded an end to all investigations into White House malfeasance.

These intimidation moves are the desperate actions of a madman who has been backed into a corner. Wild-eyed and crazy, foaming at the mouth, Trump is grasping at something - anything - to stave off the inevitable. He is attempting to distract, confuse, intimidate and stall his pursuers, hoping that some sort of Deus ex Machina miracle - as seen on TV - will magically materialize, and lift him from the bottomless pit of turpitude he has dug himself into.

To borrow a metaphor from a sport as barbaric and bloody as modern D.C. politics, Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency. This is when a bull in a ring realizes that the matador is finally closing in for the kill. At this point, the bull will retreat to an area of the ring that he deems a safe haven, so that he can regroup, rethink, plan, and muster the last of his strength to prepare for the epic, final battle that he knows he cannot win.

This is when the bull is most unpredictable and dangerous. A bull in the Querencia Phase of the fight must be handled very carefully, or disaster will ensue. One misstep, mistake or misjudgement can give the victory to the bull.

A querencia is a place the bull naturally wants to go to in the ring, a preferred locality... It is a place which develops in the course of the fight where the bull makes his home. It does not usually show at once, but develops in his brain as the fight goes on. In this place he feels that he has his back against the wall and in his querencia he is inestimably more dangerous and almost impossible to kill.

Ernest Hemingway, Death in the Afternoon (courtesy Wikipedia.com)

Make no mistake: Trump has no intention of going down without taking out the matador and as much of the audience as he can. His self-image, as a godlike entity, requires a heroic and cataclysmic final act to punish those who have challenged his divinity and omnipotence.

Nixon had the decency to resign, for the benefit of the nation, when he entered his own unavoidable Querencia Phase. Trump has no such decency. And neither did Saddam Hussein, who burned the Iraqi oil wells on his way out.

The TV scene that plays over and over in Trump's mind these days is that of James Cagney, going down amid gunfire and flames:

Made it, Ma! Top of the World!
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
I am NostraThomas







As before, it is important to realize that Trump will become more erratic and unpredictable and dangerous as the various investigations close in on him. He has fortified himself within a fortress of straw, and it's about to go up in flames.


Here is what CNN White House Reporter Kaitlan Collins said yesterday to Anderson Cooper:

"In terms of the mood in the White House, and people working there, what are you hearing?"

"Well, it's a little dark, because the President himself is in a very bad mood. He did not see what happened with Michael Cohen coming, his top lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is currently out of the country, and those who know the President best, and who work with him every day, say that he seems like he's backed into a corner and they truly, Anderson, don't know what it is that the President is going to do next in response to all of this."



Compare that to what Michael Cohen decided to do. He knows that there is no getaway end-game to all of this. Eventually, truth and facts will prevail. Cohen stopped, rationally evaluated his situation, and did the logical thing.

Trump is so self-absorbed, over-confident and delusional, it is unlikely that he will come to his senses, the way that Cohen did. Manafort's obstinance seems to be encouraging Trump to "be brave" and "not break", even though Manafort's motivation for silence may be knowing how the Kremlin's Russian Mafia gangsters deal with opponents and enemies.

Trump supporters, and even some detractors, say that Trump is genuinely confused why he is being pursued by investigators. Trump believes that "everybody does it", and that he is being uniquely singled out for persecution. For that reason, Trump will continue his battle with reality, and will continue to gain confidence from his enablers, like Hannity, who echo Trump's false reality.



This situation is not even close to being over, or even reaching its thunderous crescendo. The inertia and momentum exchange occurring in this situation can be only partially understood by comparisons to Watergate and Whitewater. What is happening now is totally unprecedented in United States history.



MAGA = Mueller Annihilates Gangster Administration







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Trump's denial that the Code of Federal Regulations exists, and is knowable, is a perfect example of Trump's inventing a delusional false reality as a convenient artifice within which he can cocoon himself and hide from the reality of the real world.

Trump's Fox News acolytes echo his delusions, which metastasizes Trump's mental defect throughout his body politic. #SAD
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 23, 2018 - 05:36pm PT
Hey!

He was just paying some women he’d had affairs with, while he was married to Melania, to not go public with the details, just before the election.

“No collusion, no affairs, no crimes,” should be starting to alarm some of his less-stupid followers.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday said the campaign finance violations his longtime lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to in federal court on Tuesday were “not a crime,” even though prosecutors and Cohen agreed they were.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump/trump-claims-cohens-campaign-finance-violations-are-not-a-crime-idUSKCN1L71GV
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 23, 2018 - 05:58pm PT
Really good and clear article about conspiracy, how and why and what. From the New York Times. Definitely worth a read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/opinion/politics/conspiracy-theory-trump-cohen.html
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
Coverup_fefe

It's spreading like hoof and mouth disease.

If President Donald Trump were impeached, "the American people would revolt," the President's lawyer Rudy Giuliani said

Unretouched photo of ghoul_iani

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:10pm PT
“If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash, I think everybody would be very poor, because without this thinking (points to his own head) you would see — you would see numbers that you wouldn’t believe in reverse."

 Trump, during an interview on “Fox & Friends” that aired Thursday


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3235546-Fox-News-Interview-With-Trump-Full-Transcript.html



Trump is an archetypical maligno-paranoid narcissist and delusional megalomaniac.

Trump needs to be put into a hermetically-sealed glass box so that scientists can study him and ensure he never, ever happens again.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:39pm PT
Pecker, Weiner, and Boehner

Didja cuum gud?

Obscenity who really cares
Propaganda all is phony

Was Lenny treated fairly in the fake news?



Excuse me Barack, while I touch myself.


Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Prior to Pryor . . . . . . . . .
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:56pm PT
The flood gates are opening. This is what Trump has been trying to avoid.

What's the combo again?

A Essex

climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:03pm PT

....and rackettering, and conspiracy... ya know good Christian stuffs
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
All those poor white farmers, dead in South Africa!

The horror!
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:43pm PT
Someone should do something!
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
Wow, still blaming Obama? Too bad he hasn't received the credit he deserves for Crooked Donald's economic miracle.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 23, 2018 - 07:59pm PT
I have to believe EdwardT is being ironically sarcastic (a 2fer). At least I hope so; say it ain't so ET!
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 23, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
PC. There's hope.
The battle over a US Senate seat in Texas continues to heat up after a statewide poll released Wednesday shows Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke just 4 points behind Republican incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz.

Edited to add: I was visiting my brothers in Huntsville, AL just before the election for the replacement of Senator, now Attorney General, Sessions. We were walking around downtown and I commented that there were way more (10:1 ratio in admittedly liberal downtown Huntsville) for Jones than Repub Moore. My brother, a Jones supporter, sort of dismissed it, but in the end ...... Could happen here. Fingers crossed.

Edited to add edited add: Cruz is such a slime weirdo. Gives me the shivers. But Jody likes him, so there's that .........
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 23, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 23, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
Per Edward T's post of this sick, lying, & racist cartoon, it now appears he somewhat regrets the pushback he got for posting it, but still doesn't understand the difference between posting lies & the truth. Or maybe he believes all those racist lies in this cartoon?


the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 23, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
I hope that Obama graphic was posted ironically, it’s so over the top stupid.

I appreciate EDT. I don’t agree with him but he actually articulates what he believes and it gives a window into what a lot of people think. These threads would be pretty boring with no one on the right to argue with. He’s infinitely better than the weak trolls and empty insults cosmic.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
Pecker wood

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 23, 2018 - 09:57pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hillary set up Junior Mint by tricking the Russians into hacking into the DNC computers. She set the trap, baited it with dirt, and the entire Trump administration is now going to prison.

Trump should have stuck with fraudulent real estate seminars and overpriced vodka nobody wanted to drink.









Time for team Taco to dox this EdwardT, someone I could give a whit for.

If he's not personally attacking people who are posting here, why censor him? It's not like you have to read what he posts. Just scan the left margin, and skip over anything next to his name, if you don't want to see it.

Freedom of speech does not include the right to attack other people, or incite violence. But, it must include the right of others to say things that you absolutely do not agree with.













During the 2016 election, the National Enquirer tabloid magazine ran multiple "stories" that were intended to hurt Trump's opponents, typically Hillary Clinton.

Right before the Republican National Convention, when Ted Cruz was essentially the last obstacle to Trump's nomination, the National Enquirer ran the now-infamous cover story about Ted Cruz's father assassinating John F. Kennedy.


In this video, Trump is saying that the Cruz-as-assassin nonsense was "totally credible" and that the National Enquirer should have won the Pulitzer Prize for the story.

As a bonus, the footage shows Mike Pence behind Trump, listening to his idiotic praising of the National Enquirer.


Trump's deranged speech begins at about 2:00.


[Click to View YouTube Video]


EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:07am PT
I deleted my Obama post. Didn't mean to cause such a fuss. Racism. Hate speech. Banning. Wow!

Considering the over the top anti-Trump hatespray, that's a daily occurrence, I didn't see how my bit of trollery would be so upsetting.

Que sera sera.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2018 - 06:15am PT
Thank you for deleting Ed.

Please Read the 10 commandments and the basic teachings of Christ.

Now review the way Obama and Trump have comported themselves in their lives.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character give him power- Abraham Lincoln
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:20am PT
I see Edward T has deleted his racist post against President Obama

Oh my, I see someone has a screen shot of it......poor Skippy Dumass

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 24, 2018 - 08:43am PT
Giuliani says the people would revolt if trump were to be impeached.
Hey Rudy, sorry to see that you don't know the difference between a revolt, and a party.
However, I digress. Who are these people that would be revolting, eighty year old white guys?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 24, 2018 - 09:06am PT
Weisselberg granted immunity, that has got to please the Orange Sh1t Gibbon. I wonder if pardons come in a 12 pack?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation/index.html

a former Trump Organization employee told CNN that Weisselberg being subpoenaed was the "ultimate nightmare scenario for Trump" because Weisselberg knows "anything and everything" about the finances of the Trump Organization.
"Allen knows where all the financial bodies are buried. Allen knows every deal, he knows every dealership, he knows every sale, anything and everything that's been done -- he knows every membership. Anything you can think of," said the person, who was not making any specific allegations about the Trump Organization's finances.
John M

climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:01am PT
I agree with most of what you said Mighty Hiker.

His incompetence with regard to the economy, and foreign relations, speaks for itself.

my concern is that there is still a large portion of Americans who still believe that he is doing good. We have a number right here on the forum. They appear to approve of his handling of the economy and foreign relations. At least according to their words.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:19am PT
My guess is that Mueller, sometime in 2019, after the dramatic preliminaries are out of the way, will report that the evidence and law support criminal and constitutional charges against Trump, and recommend that the courts decide the proper process. The courts may in turn decide that constitutional charges should be handled through impeachment, and so pass that buck to a possibly enheartened post-election Congress. But that other federal charges can be laid against Trump while he’s in office, and that he can be tried for them. State charges, which may be as serious, may be another matter.

Very hard to wade through all that, but one little point:
I don't how it works in other countries, but in the US, there is [edit:
NO] such thing as "the courts" deciding a "proper process" other than deciding a case that is brought before a court.
A court doesn't start the case. In a civil suit, the party that starts a lawsuit is a plaintiff (which can be a private party or a governmental entity). In a criminal case, it's the state or the US. It's not a court. Remember in the US, a court is a referee. It's not a player.

When you're dealing with the president, just who do you think is going to file charges? Once you realize the answer is "no one," then maybe it will dawn on you that is why the US has impeachment.

Sorry libs, but if you don't like Trump, try winning an election. (Now if it turns out that Trump has committed an impeachable offense and Congress decides to impeach him, that's what should happen, no problem there, it's all really quite simple.)
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:23am PT
^^^

Blahblah,

I think your second sentence is missing the word "no."

If I'm right, then I think your comment is correct.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:24am PT
Gno Gnott Gno But Yes Gnow , ? _ wait_ Know

no
not "NO" but "KNOW"

as in do you know What I'm talking about?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:33am PT
^^^

Blahblah,

I think your second sentence is missing the word "no."

If I'm right, then I think your comment is correct.

Yes, thank you for clearing up what was a very confusing typo, my bad!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:41am PT
I think it is your side that has to “try winning an election “.Really.
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:16am PT
I read these polutical posts more than I comment. EdwardT, though I may disagree with him, has comments of value. As said upthread, these topics would be useless without opposing points of view.

Now ATG, there is someone I miss.



Just kidding, dude was a pansy.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:30am PT
blah,

you are biased af but you seem to understand the law

any concern about trumps constant mocking of the rule of law?

today he literally told the nations top prosecuter to go after his political opponents

shitshow on historic scale

Just saw the headlines on that, not super knowledgeable about the current brouhaha between Trump and Sessions so can't say much.
But in general: "going after" political opponents raises some tricky issues. Obviously targeting them because they're political opponents is highly improper.

But what if Trump is simply miffed that he believes his opponents have in fact committed crimes, and should be investigated and then charged if appropriate? (As apparently Trump spends a lot of time watching Fox News, I would imagine he does believe that, rightly or wrongly.) For example, remember Comey was going to describe Hillary's email handling as "grossly negligent," until Strzok reminded him that, oh sh#t, that means Hillary did in fact commit a crime. So Comey tweaked the language, at least plausibly to exonerate her for political motives.

So the devil's in the details on that one.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:43am PT
Ed T, Also thanks for removing that graphic.

Considering the over the top anti-Trump hatespray, that's a daily occurrence, I didn't see how my bit of trollery would be so upsetting.

Because it crosses a line into racism. It's not blatant like the N word, but in context it's racist. Same as the photo Cosmic posted of Obama as a witch doctor, in context many people view it as racist. I applaud you for having the respect to take it down.

The difference with Trump is people disparage him for his actions, not what he is. That's fair game. Even with him being fat, he eats fast food, doesn't exercise and tells people it's healthy. He deserves to get grief for that, not to mention all the hurtful things he says, lies, misogyny, demagoguery, etc.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:44am PT
This has been an extraordinarily bad week for trump.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:47am PT
frostback

Social climber
great white north

Aug 24, 2018 - 11:28am PT
OPMac
I am fully with you on sharp commentary from both sides; but there's' a fine line and imho eddie baby crossed it with his meme on Obama yesterday.

Interesting... coming from someone who thinks

"F*#k Cheeto the Treasonous Ass Clown"

is appropriate.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:53am PT
DAY FOUR:

Federal prosecutors granted immunity to Trump Organization accountant Alan Weisselberg. He will be testifying about the Porno Payoffs and election fraud. He is expected to corroborate Michael Cohen's testimony that Trump was aware of, and directed, the Porno Payoffs to illegally influence the 2016 election.




Weisselberg is a more immediate danger to Trump for matters currently before the State of New York.

For over a decade, Weisselberg was falsely listed by the Trump family as the treasurer of the fraudulent Trump Foundation. Weisselberg only learned of this when he was deposed by the New York State Attorney General.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/779101/trump-foundations-treasurer-didnt-know-treasurer-until-investigators-told

Weisselberg was unwittingly and unwillingly depicted by the Trumps as a co-conspirator at the Foundation. The Trumps used him as a dupe and a stooge for the illegal transfer of charitable donations to themselves. The Trumps exposed Weisselberg to multiple felony charges for crimes he was unaware of.




Trump has no power to pardon people convicted in state courts. There is no law or policy that prevents the New York State Attorney General from indicting a sitting president.

Trump's children have no legal shielding from state or federal prosecutors. They are the subjects of investigations into bank and tax fraud at the Trump Foundation.





In the parlance of Trump's fake wrestling world:

Mueller! With a Tornado DDT on the chair!
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:59am PT
in context many people view it as racist. I applaud you for having the respect to take it down.

that is like thanking the arsonist for calling the fire department hours after he started the fire

the racist prick posted it, clearly wanted it to be seen, and only when called out deleted it

F U a thousand times over
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 12:20pm PT
Wrong again blat. Appellate courts determine "proper process" all the time.

Other than deciding cases before the court?
You must have some different appellate courts on whatever planet you're from than we have here in the good ol' US of a :)
Basically an appellate court has a few options: affirm, reverse, remand, and combinations of the foregoing. Now here's a conundrum for you: how do you think appellate courts get to do anything at all, hmmm?
What starts the process . . . .

I guess I've done my civic duty for the day--gotta do some real work!
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 24, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
"F*#k Cheeto the Treasonous Ass Clown"

That may be offensive but it's not racist. Unless you think orange people are a disadvantaged class. Well maybe Umpa Lumpas.

Also Trump wears that ridiculous orange fake tan, again that's a choice that fair game for mocking.

Treasonous (as yet unproven) is a behavior worthy of scorn.

Ass Clown is just a non-nonsensical burn, like calling Obama Obummer.




Norton, don't let the hate enter your heart. It won't do anyone any good least of all you. I see a huge difference is someone willing to admit they did something wrong vs. someone who just doubles down on it.


At this point it looks very likely there is plenty of evidence for nailing Trump on campaign violations. First Cohen (lawyer), then Pecker (National Enquirer), and now Weisellberg (longtime Trump CFO perhaps the one having the most damaging info of all) have all "flipped". Of course now expect the character assassination of the latter two to begin. As mentioned Mueller is still is the info gathering phase and the dominoes are starting to fall.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2018 - 12:42pm PT
Unchecked, Trump would take this to Mussolini or Napoleon status to retain power and stamp out the forces that seek to thwart his overreach and bring him to justice.

There will be a time when the extent of the crimes committed by this cabal is revealed and public sentiment will overwhelmingly demand retribution.

There's a choice rolling towards the Trump supporter; suck it up, come clean and publicly denounce Trump, lie and deny you were ever a real Trump supporter which was a popular tactic in post WWII Germany or take the bunker option.

And for the most ardent Trump hater, do you make room in the tent and welcome the Trump refugees or do you continue to verbally walk them through the concentration camp to face what amoral complicity looks like?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 24, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
Okay Folks. I'm gonna ask for a little clarification. I admit last night's meme was in bad taste. Clearly offensive. Definitely, loose on the facts. But I didn't see it as racist. I'm not looking for a conflict. Just clarification.

What specifically was racist?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 24, 2018 - 01:07pm PT
I found some theme music for The Robert Mueller Show.


[Click to View YouTube Video]



They call him Flipper, Flipper, Flipper.
Faster than lightning.
No one you see,
Is smarter than he.

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 24, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
Edward! Re your question:

Okay Folks. I'm gonna ask for a little clarification. I admit last night's meme was in bad taste. Clearly offensive. Definitely, loose on the facts. But I didn't see it as racist. I'm not looking for a conflict. Just clarification.

What specifically was racist?


This is the cartoon you posted. I am not even-close to being politcally correct, & in spite of having had a black business partner & some black friends 35 - 45 years ago, I have lived in "whitie-land" ever since.

But, I see it as clearly racist, when a white-man posts a cartoon about a man that our society percieves as black & states "he pretends to be black" and that cartoon states that the black man, who claims to be both Christian, & an American citizen, is neither.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
Is half white and pretends to be black

Bringing up race in a negative way, saying he’s pretending to be another race when he’s been forthright about his background and just being who he is.

Incites blacks against whites.

Again bringing up race in a negative way. Stoking racial fear of whites against blacks without any evidence. Contrary to how he’s acted. His moms side is all white why would he incite against them.

Born in Kenya.

Plenty of evidence he was born in Hawaii. Including an announcement in the newspaper when he was born. What did someone travel back in time and plant that? That would not happen to a white guy.

Maybe it’s not technically racism (claiming a race is inferior) it’s just “racially charged language“ as they say, but most people think of racism as disparaging someone in a racial way which this clearly does.

It’s also about context. I remember people not understanding why it was racist to compare the Obamas to apes but it wasn’t to compare W Bush to a chimp. Well white people dont have a history of being claimed as not fully human or less evolved.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
B. Report to the Attorney General, recommending that charges be laid against Trump and/or that impeachment proceedings begin.

C. Lay charges against Trump, and let the courts decide.

This is what you seem unwilling to accept:
Mueller is a part of the Justice Dept.
And who, ultimately, if indirectly, is in charge of the Justice Dept.? (Remember the three branches of gov't and all that stuff we learn in high school civics?)

Mueller ain't filing jack sh#t against Trump and if he does he'll get his old arse fired pronto, and the charges will be dismissed by the Justice Dept.

Courts can't do crap unless they've got a case; it's going to be a sad and lonely day in court when the judge shows up but neither of the parties do (Trump won't show up because why would he waste his time, and who is it who's going to show up again representing the United States??? Mueller's fired ass?


Put down the pipe, the courts can't help you out on this one.

Edit: can't believe I've been goaded into wasting my time substantiating what are very obvious points, but [url="http://https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-president-can-be-indicted--just-not-by-mueller/2017/07/27/a597b922-721d-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.a873d10efdef"]http://https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-president-can-be-indicted--just-not-by-mueller/2017/07/27/a597b922-721d-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.a873d10efdef[/url]

pretty clearly explains why Mueller can't save you here. The bottom line from the article:
Supreme Court cases going back 150 years emphasize that the president retains complete authority to control federal criminal prosecutions. Without a statutorily appointed special counsel given special tenure, Trump could fire anyone who tried to indict him.

As a detail, the author believes that if the laws were something other than what they were, a special counsel could bring charges. While that may or may not be true, it's a hypothetical: under current law, Mueller cannot bring charges against Trump (at least none that would survive more than a day before both Mueller and the charges would be dismissed).
John M

climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 02:33pm PT
Maybe it’s not technically racism (claiming a race is inferior) it’s just “racially charged language“ as they say, but most people think of racism as disparaging someone in a racial way which this clearly does.

great post..
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 24, 2018 - 02:39pm PT
But, I see it as clearly racist, when a white-man posts a cartoon about a man that our society perceives as black & states "he pretends to be black" and that cartoon states that the black man, who claims to be both Christian, & an American citizen, is neither.

There was only one reference to his being black, which was treated as an asset. Faith and nationality aren't about race.

As far as racially charged situations being an issue, Obama took sides. It was usually the same side. Coincidentally, race relations deteriorated during his presidency.

Sounds like you guys are saying nothing was overtly racist about it. More along the lines of dog whistle racism, right?

----------------------------------------


For me, there are two definitions of racism:

1) Prejudice against people based on their race/skin color. This applies to institutional racism.

2) Belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Educate me.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
Depending on what Mueller's got, Trump could be in a little trouble, that's true.
An interesting question is what if Mueller's got a good case but Congress doesn't go along with impeachment (House and or Senate, you need them both, including 2/3 in Senate to convict).
Hopefully we're not at the stage where Congress is so partisan that it would let Trump off if he's really guilty of something serious. At least here in Colorado, I've got at least some confidence in our Congresspeople-- if Trump's really guilty, I think they'd vote to get him out of there, including most of the Repubs.

But I'm feeling very confident Mueller's got nothing on Trump with the Russians, about other stuff, I can't really say.

More importantly: S&P 500 just closed at a new high!
Why everyone is trying to rock the boat is beyond me, let the good times roll I say! It's not just my 401k (and far more substantial non-retirement accounts), remember we've got super low unemployment and all sorts of other good things going on.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 03:03pm PT
Faith and nationality aren't about race.

They are when it's implied that someone of a certain race is something they are not.

If Obama was of middle eastern descent that would be an even bigger indicator that he must be Muslim and not Christian (which he says he is and unless you have proof he's not you should STFU).

Again a white guy wouldn't have been questioned as American if his mom was American and he was born in Hawaii. You can nitpick all you want and get technical, but most people understand this.

Like when Trump said the judge of Mexican descent couldn't give him a fair shot. It's racist because he's saying that person will behave a certain way because of his race. It's BS.



If race relations got worse under Obama I would put it more at the hands of racists who were snapping that we had a black president. The right wing media (including mainstream media Fox) did everything they could to push the narrative that Obama was bad, but if you look at what he actually did and said it's not that way.

Then you have what has happened under Trump. Wholesale approval to be racist d#@&%e-bags, with Trump using "racially charged language" a lot and saying white nationalists are good people. Night and day for race relations compared to what Obama actually did.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 24, 2018 - 03:06pm PT

Am I the only one who sees a comparison?


Sarah Sanders and her father Mike Huckabee could do a TV show together, wherein they seek out gays and vilify them in public.


Stray Eye for the Queer Guy

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
Bushman and Tom. I posted a photo previously comparing Sanders Huckabee to Uncle Fester, I thought is was funny and they looked similar just because of her expression. I didn't know she had a lazy eye. I have since deleted that photo. As I mention above I don't think it's cool to make fun of someone for something they can't change.

It's fine to call someone out for being a homophobe or a liar. Not for the way they were born.
michaeld

climber
Beta Sprayer at your Gym
Aug 24, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
Can we discuss what Covfefe would taste like?

Probably very rich in toffee, some sort of nut to make it a bit savory, and probably a floral taste of some rare flower that's gold. Extremely generic, but comes in a gold packaging "MADE IN AMERICA", but grown in Colombia and processed in Chiiiiina.

The Ivanka roast would be vanilla.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:03pm PT
Edward T asks us to educate him about racism.

I tried politely today, several others here tried politely.


I do want to mention, it appears you think it's fine to post racist lies about Obama, since you believe we are posting lies about Trump.

Except,

What we are posting about Trump is mostly news, which is true, not left-wing lies.

Not that I expect you to believe that the main-stream media, except for Fox, mostly tells it straight. I'm sure you won't like this chart, which attempts to show the bias, or lack of bias of various news organizations. click on the photo to enlarge it to nice size.


This link takes you to the site that created it & you can also enlarge it more, to see that NBC, CBS, & ABC have little bias in their news, while Fox is not only biased, but reports inaccurately.
http://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-chart-version-3-0-what-exactly-are-we-reading/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:00pm PT
*^*

YEP
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
The economy is just cranking.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:13pm PT
Blahblah, tell us what an appropriate S&P level would be for the Mueller investigation to continue.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:14pm PT
Accurate and hilarious graph Wilbeer
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:31pm PT
Mono,there have been 32 guilty indicted so far by Mueller,this should be shut down.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:00pm PT
Let's not give Mueller any credit for indicting the Russian spies, if anything that shows he's getting a little drunk with power.
Of course Russian spies hack US government (and political party) computers when they can. That's what spies do.
Remember when the Obama administration got caught spying on phone calls from Merkel and other allies? What do you think US spies do to Russia, China, Iran, etc.? (Actually we know they did a good job hacking Iran's computers and slowing down their bomb making.) I guess Germany should have indicted a bunch of American spies if that's how the game is played.

Now to change the subject to the Obama meme: that was a little offensive IMHO. With a few exceptions, Obama served admirably as president (I mean how he conducted himself, not his policy) and as far as we know lives an exemplary personal life. We may disagree with many of his policy decisions, not like the judges he appointed, question his foreign policy, etc. But that doesn't mean it's OK to tell obvious fibs like the birther stuff. I'm not sure how much of the meme I'd call racist and how much I'd just call generally offensive for other reasons, but we can do better than that.
Pennsylenvy

Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:01pm PT
How does an intelligent person explain this :https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-in-oval-office-meets-promoter-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-says-democrats-run-pedophile-cult/ar-BBMoQeR?ocid=spartandhp

edit: Actually its pretty easy unfortunately: this is Rump playing to his base, no matter who they are. This behavior is the same type of thing that plays into his white nationalist base. He's too (gulp) smart to openly support these fringes. However the picture is clear. Scary that the extreme narcissist could play into the hands of these clowns blowing smoke up his @$$. Meetings like this could set policy with this turd.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:24pm PT
Sure Fet, I’m easy, posts deleted. I see that it was a rude post and a crude observation on my part now that you mention it. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind about their politics by posting much here anyway.

But there is one thing I have a hard time understanding about Trump supporters. For the life of me I can’t understand why someone would believe that a person such as Donald Trump would give a rats ass about the everyman, let alone the poor or the disenfranchised.

Someone who has lived a lavish lifestyle ensconced in wealth from the cradle, with a history of dubious business dealings, surrounded by attorneys and embroiled in legal conflicts throughout their entire career, would not be likely to care about much besides amassing more wealth and power.

Of course there are a small percentage of truly altruistic and generous wealthy people who contribute greatly to our society and to the poor. There are many other wealthy folks who have conducted themselves with frugality and dignity as well, but I would think that these are of course the exception.

I could not count in 100 million years a Donald Trump type to be one of them...and yet the conservative movement has chosen him as their standard bearer. I don’t think I’m ever going to be able to wrap my head around it.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:30pm PT
If you believe Capitalism is viable,Trump was bound to happen.

Fact.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
“He’s getting drunk with power”

Lol.

You know. Now it is the Russians fault.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2018 - 08:32pm PT

Micheald-Can we discuss what Covfefe would taste like?

Probably very rich in toffee, some sort of nut to make it a bit savory, and probably a floral taste of some rare flower that's gold. Extremely generic, but comes in a gold packaging "MADE IN AMERICA", but grown in Colombia and processed in Chiiiiina.

The Ivanka roast would be vanilla.

This product would not be marketed to his base, it would rather be served at his exclusive establishments with ingredients and descriptions written in French but definitely gold packaging and flavored as you describe.

And yes, made in Chiiina with every ingredient being imitation flavoring and produced in a laboratory. Of course melamine would be the secret ingredient used as a filler by order of Trump and when accidental deaths occurred the medical examiner would have been paid off through Trumps campaign and cause of death would be attributed to diseases brought to America by people from shithole countries.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 24, 2018 - 08:34pm PT
The National Enquirer released the former Trump doorman from his non disclosure agreement and the man is talking. Trump was banging the help. Trump got that idea from Ahnuld.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:29pm PT
I think Trump said compassionate conservatism would be great without all that compassion.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 25, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
Rump playing to his base, no matter who they are.

Trump's base comprises people who attend WWF fake wrestling shows, and bet on the outcome of the matches.

Trump has intentionally targeted uneducated people who don't understand they are being deceived by false logic, and who have not had an educational course taught in the first year of college.




As noted before, the National Enquirer has released a Trump World Tower doorman from his prior NDA obligations. The Enquirer had paid off the doorman as part of a "Catch-and-Kill" policy to squelch bad publicity about Trump. The doorman's story was about a housekeeper who had an extra-marital child with Trump. The doorman is prepared to share his story, now that he is no longer threatened with financial ruin (i.e., a $1 million penalty).



The following statements have the same basis in reality as any forthcoming Trump World explanations and denials about what the Trump World Tower doorman has to say:

 Trump's World Tower baby grew up, and is now New York Congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

 Eric Trump's father was an apprentice doorman at the Plaza Hotel when Ivana Trump was in charge there

 Tiffany Trump's paternity is in question because her mother, Marla Maples, used to work for a suntan lotion company

 Donald Trump, himself, is of uncertain paternity ---- Donald Trump bears no physical resemblance to Fred Trump





Who are you going to believe? Donald Trump, or your own eyes?

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
 George Orwell, 1984

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 27, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article217118220.html

While Democratic donors have eagerly opened their wallets ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, helping Democratic candidates and groups largely outraise their Republican counterparts, one notable exception has stood out: The Democratic National Committee — the party’s signature organization — has posted its worst midterm fund raising totals in more than a decade.

The DNC has so far taken in $116 million before the November midterm elections — $9 million less than it had taken in at this point in 2014 and more than $30 million less than it had taken in at this point in 2010, the last two midterm cycles.

By contrast, the Republican National Committee has nearly doubled the DNC’s haul this cycle, bringing in a total of $227 million. And of the six major federal committees of both parties, the DNC has by far the most debt ($6.7 million) and the least amount in its bank account ($7.8 million)....

The DNC’s fundraising woes come in a cycle where Democratic candidates have outraised Republican candidates overall, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, and Democratic political action committees have outraised Republican PACs, according to McClatchy’s analysis of fundraising totals of the top 100 non-party PACs.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 27, 2018 - 01:26pm PT
When the Republican were facing difficulty passing their big tax break for corporations & the very rich, Senator Graham noted that if they didn't get the tax bill passed, their donor-base would quit donating.

How nice for the Republicans that their fat-cat & corporate donors are back to supporting the GOP.

Edward? Have you been donating too?
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Aug 27, 2018 - 01:48pm PT
the word covfefe is discharge from the mouth of Deep Stain.
it conjures the obscuring powers of confetti or diversionary chaff.
it emanates from a chad of a man inciting calls for curettage.

i hope covfefe comes to lodge within the vernacular
alongside it's commonplace synonym: bullsh#t
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
^^^Gud one!^^^



But what about Hillary’s emails?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:27pm PT
Edward? Have you been donating too?

Nope. I'm an Independent. I lean right, but the GOP hasn't interested me in over a decade.

I posted the article to shed some light on how the Dems are "f*cking up a wet dream". They have the optimal situation. With Trump in office, it should be easy to bring over all the swing voters, like Obama did. Instead, they're paraded Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez all over the place. Forget about the moderates. Let's go further left. That's almost as bad as McCain choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate. Dumb.

Maybe the Dems can retake both chambers in November. That'd be great. But if they fail to retake The House, it'll be devastating for the party.

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For Dirtbag:

dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:31pm PT
Lol. Anudder gud one!
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:35pm PT
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 03:58pm PT
This one should have been easy to spot.

I'm surprised it's taken this long for the story to be broken by newspapers, such as The Flailing New York Times (which is staggering under the onerous burden of all those Pulitzer Prizes that Trump thinks the National Enquirer should have won).

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/us/politics/bruce-ohr-trump-justice-department.html


Trump included Bruce Ohr, a career DOJ official, in his list of enemies whom he has targeted for termination. This didn't seem to make any sense (notwithstanding what Trump does rarely makes any sense). Trump seemed to be channeling a deranged man on the roof of a Texas clock tower, shooting randomly at people.

Now, the connection is clear, and Trump's intent is unmistakable.

Bruce Ohr went after Russian mobsters, such as the kingpin Semion Y. Mogilevich. Mogilevich and other Russian mobsters and oligarchs exist and operate only at the pleasure of Vladimir Putin. The Russian mafia is a de facto branch of the Kremlin, tasked with doing Putin's dirty work. Bruce Ohr attacked Putin when he attacked his Russia mafia henchmen.

Trump's alleged plausibility of reasonableness for targeting Bruce Ohr doesn't even warrant a description here. Suffice to say, Trump claims that political assassination is a valid method for Making America Great Again.


The enemy of my friend is my enemy
 the tie that binds Trump to Putin








Trump is claiming total victory over Mexico in his trade wars. Like his claim of "total victory" over North Korea's nuclear arsenal, Trump has no such victory in hand. Congress has the sole power to pass legislation regarding treaties with other countries. At least one GOP Senator, Orrin Hatch, says that Trump's boasting is premature, if not completely FOS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/us/politics/us-mexico-nafta-deal.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/politics/north-korea-us-special-forces-drill/index.html


Trump's base of support takes whatever he feeds them as being factual. And, again, they will soon learn that reality can be a cruel mistress.


Almost nothing Trump says is true. His recent statements about a trade deal with Mexico are no exception. All Trump cares about is telling his supporters what he thinks they want to hear. For them, reality is whatever gaseous noises come out of Trump's mouth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/us/politics/fact-check-trump-nafta-mexico.html


Trump's ludicrous plan is to abandon NAFTA entirely, and replace it with two separate bi-lateral trade agreements, with Mexico and Canada, respectively. In other words, Trump wants two trade deals that prevent Canada and Mexico from smoothly conducting direct trade with each other, with the United States serving only as a transportation corridor.

Trump wants the United States to be a commercial shipping choke point, like a land-based Bosporus Strait. Trump's kingly plan is to extract tribute from any merchants seeking to pass goods through his well-defended transportation choke point (c.f. Rumelihisarı and Anadoluhisarı).

MACA = Make Constantinople Great Again



The basic idea of updating the 1993 NAFTA treaty may be a good one. Twenty five years is a long time. But, Trump's belligerent trade war methodology is reprehensible, and increasingly appears to be unworkable.

It is important to remember that one goal of NAFTA was to reduce the incentive for Mexican workers to illegally enter the United States. NAFTA was partially intended to make economic opportunity in Mexico more like that in the United States, and reduce illegal immigration. A reasonable update of NAFTA would make Trump's plans for a medieval fortress wall unnecessary.


But, Trump is clueless.

Trump's comprehension of "the big picture" is embezzling $100,000 to buy a massive portrait of himself. The New York State Attorney General and the Internal Revenue Service are on the case. Trump's big picture will soon be exhibited at tax fraud trials.







RT IS RIGHT ON SCHEDULE

Russian propaganda newspapers have joined Trump in vilifying the late Senator John McCain in memoriam.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-veterans-group-slams-trump-174756108.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/burning-hell-russian-press-sheds-few-tears-mccain-114218105.html


Once again, it is clear that Trump is aligned with Putin and Russia, and not with America.

Even far-left Democrats have nothing but admiration and respect for John McCain, regardless of disagreements about policy.

Trump refused to fly the White House flag at half-mast. Trump is a Kremlin stooge. Trump disrespected John McCain for his patriotic service, and his vocal resistance to Russian hegemony.



Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
On top of that little dik is considering the hire of a new Whitehouse Counsel to fire Sessions this month. According to reports, Mcgann won't fire Sessions at the moment.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 28, 2018 - 09:30pm PT
It is rumored that Cohen will testify that Don Trump's mother is Simone Duvalier shown below with Tromp senior's voodoo economics tax preparer


Trump will never release the DNA study but the lineage is obvious


Papa Doc, was the President of Haiti from 1957 to 1971.[3] He was elected president in 1957 on a populist and black nationalist platform. After thwarting a military coup d'état in 1958, his regime rapidly became totalitarian. An undercover death squad, the Tonton Macoute, killed indiscriminately and was thought to be so pervasive that Haitians became fearful of expressing dissent even in private. Duvalier further solidified his rule by incorporating elements of Haitian mythology into a personality cult.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 28, 2018 - 09:35pm PT
Almost nothing Trump says is true.

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 28, 2018 - 11:59pm PT
Trump Googled "Trump News" and all that came up were stories about all the crazy stuff he has been saying and doing. Trump thinks Google must be "rigged" because InfoWars and Fox do not dominate "Trump news" search results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/business/media/google-trump-news-results.html


Trump wants to regulate Google, so that it favors results from InfoWars, Fox and other right-fringe sources of disinformation. Everything else goes down the Memory Hole.


Trump is very close to final implosion.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 29, 2018 - 04:58am PT
Trump is very close to final implosion.


He's entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency?
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2018 - 06:27am PT
No, he's turned his back on Puerto Rico while 2,900, not quite Americans died, oversaw the permanent separation of hundreds of rapist immigrant children from their parents, praised "good people" white nationalists, pulled out of the Fake Paris Accord and cheating NAFTA and he's degrading the deep state FBI, CIA and DOJ. He's doing great...he's making his base proud.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 07:58am PT
^Puerto Rico ain't Haiti, right?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
He's entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency?

I think he entered it a long time ago.

Trump's Querencia Phase is taking longer than optimists would prefer, but that doesn't mean that Trump is successfully avoiding the inevitable. Trump is running, but he can't hide. And, Trump knows it. He is acting out and mentally dysfunctioning in a predictable manner.

Trump's erratic behavior and narcissistic rage are reactions to what he perceives as existential threats to his delusional self-image: the Best, the Greatest, the Donald; an invincible superman who can do no wrong; an A+ President who can't be impeached because he is doing a great job; a victim of a "rigged" system; someone falsely accused of the crimes he has committed; a target of unfair, selective persecution; a normal guy who is going to prison, even though "everybody else does it, too".

When Trump's delusions about himself are countered by facts, evidence, indictments and convictions, he lashes out at what he perceives to be the real culprits: James Comey, Jeff Sessions, Robert Mueller, Bruce Ohr, the FBI, CNN, New York Times, press reporters, Google, Twitter, Facebook and, finally, reality itself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injury



I have heard tourists in El Capitan Meadow say, "They will never make it to the top."

I have heard Trumplicans say, "They will never catch Donald Trump."










VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Mueller doesn't have to trump up charges. Trump and his associates have willingly, knowingly and deceitfully engaged in criminal activity.

Trump's real nemesis, right now, is the New York State Attorney General. Trump has no power to obstruct a state investigation into tax fraud at his sham Trump Foundation. And, he has no power to pardon his children if they are convicted in State Court.


Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 Lord Acton


Absolute corruption does not equal absolute power.
 NostraThomas

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 29, 2018 - 12:27pm PT
I have heard Trumplicans say, "They will never catch Donald Trump."

Never's a long time, but will Mueller and the gang "trump up" charges against him before his term expires?

If not, he's sort of won, and I wouldn't be surprised if he lives out his golden years in a lovely country without an extradition treaty with the US, cashing those nice pension checks and laughing all the while.

Meanwhile, the markets are at or near record highs, wayyyyy above when he took office, some of us may get to enjoy some "golden years" of our own if things keep up.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
Did anyone seriously believe that someone as dirty as tRump wouldn’t evetually get busted? None of his grandstanding economic policies are sustainable. The president has little to no ability to affect long term economic trends. That falls to Congress and the private sector.

Once tRump is exiled to prison or Russia, the economy will be fine. Any violence in the street will be from deranged tRump loyalists fueled by Russia and Right Wing extremists on Faceplant, or some other social media facade, that are duping the disaffected in this country with insane conspiracy theories on an hourly basis.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 12:57pm PT
Blah blah, f*#k your stock portfolio bounce.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 29, 2018 - 01:14pm PT
will Mueller and the gang "trump up" charges against him before his term expires

By all honest accounts Mueller only seeks justice, any notion that he would trump up charges is a likely smear by Trumpco to blunt any upcoming evidence.

We don't know what Mueller's report will say. Maybe Trumpco just made stupid decisions and we've heard the worst of it (campaign finance violations for paying off affairs) but maybe there is evidence of greater crimes that warrant impeachment. We don't know yet. There has to be enough evidence to turn the majority of Republicans against him so the senate can vote to impeach (a political procedure). I think what we're seeing from Trumpco is a public relations campaign for that upcoming battle.

The economy was up the upswing for a long time during the Obama years. But really market cycles and other factors have more impact than who is the president. Trumpco has kept the upswing going and I would say has not only sustained it but has fueled it farther, the problem though is it's been due to unsustainable things like another tax cut skewed to the wealthy with more national debt that will need to be payed off and cutting regulations that will also mean more cost in the future (e.g. dealing with the costs of climate change).

Whoever is president the market will correct eventually. I'm worried that because the markets hate uncertainty, if there are impeachment proceedings it will kill the market and of course the Republicans will try to blame it on the Dems and vice versa.

I hope you are taking some defensive positions blahblah because I have already see the real estate market cool in lots of areas. Who knows what will happen but I wouldn't recommend counting on continued growth in either securities or real estate.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 29, 2018 - 01:30pm PT
Still funny>

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 29, 2018 - 03:18pm PT
Not the sharpest tool in the shed?



Republican congressional candidate Omar Navarro’s meeting with the FBI about a fake letter he posted to social media about his opponent, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Los Angeles), has been moved to next week, he said Wednesday.

The FBI had asked to speak with Navarro this week, he said, but the meeting was pushed to next week so his lawyer could be present.

Waters filed a complaint with Capitol Police and the FBI in December after Navarro tweeted the image. The letter, which appeared to be on an altered version of Waters’ official letterhead, falsely claimed the congresswoman wanted to resettle tens of thousands of Somali refugees in her Los Angeles district. It includes her signature and the official House seal.

Misusing a government seal or posing as a government official is a federal crime.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-waters-fbi-meeting-20180829-story.html
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 29, 2018 - 03:18pm PT

Lawyers with portfolios are doing well you say.

Golden Years.


This is Socialist,you know that.

We are literally subsidizing the rich.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
Hilarious 15 minute video here :-)

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/403743-sacha-baron-cohen-teaches-trump-supporters-how-to-be-a-radical
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
99% of Trump's tax cut went to rich people. Corporations spent $700 billion on stock buy-backs, and not on pay raises. Workers' wages have risen an average of 0.4% in the last 18 months.

Trump's blue-collar supporters have seen little, no, or negative benefit from Trump's tax cut and tariff one-two punch to Middle America.

GOP candidates are keeping their mouths shut about the economy and the tax cut. They don't want to remind their voters that they have been left behind as the GOP's fat cats soar to ever-higher levels of prosperity.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-instead-of-tax-cuts-gop-candidates-motivate-with-anxiety-2018-8


It's pretty hard to sell a prosperity pitch to people who've been wiped out by a trade war, are being laid off, are not getting raises, and are being eaten alive by inflation.


For the 2018 elections, the GOP wants to focus on its core values of racism, intolerance, religion and hypocrisy. Their message of greed and avarice has been temporarily put on ice. They will also be pushing the idea that Western Civilization will abruptly end if Democrats win control of Congress.










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Trump was projecting his supporters' propensity for violence when he said the Democrats will become violent if they win control of Congress.

Trump's army of robotic dullards will be the ones who become violent when Trump's day of reckoning arrives.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 29, 2018 - 05:36pm PT
Not to mention the Violence.






Lol.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 29, 2018 - 06:48pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 06:51pm PT
Lindsey Graham: White House will be "investigated to death" if Democrats win the House

Vote ''em in

And raise the flag to staff and a half after he perishes



Trump was said to have clashed with McGahn after Trump openly pondered a pardon for Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman whom a jury last week found guilty of financial crimes unrelated to the campaign.


Vanity Fair reported on Monday
Vanity Fair reported on Monday that McGahn refused to participate in the pardoning process and that Trump considered bringing on a new lawyer.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 29, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
"investigated to death"

The repubs in the justice dept. seem to be doing a good job of that now.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 07:37pm PT
Losing McGahn will be a blow.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
"investigated to death"


Does Lindsay Graham mean "investigated to death" like Whitewater, Benghazi, the E-mail Server, and the Pizza Parlor Pedophilia Plot?

 Over a decade of combined investigation
 No wrongdoing or criminal activity
 Bill Clinton acquitted in Senate
 Bill Clinton's approval rating with the public rose while he was being impeached by a partisan House



Or, does Graham mean "investigated to death" like Watergate?

 Two years of investigation, give or take a month or two
 Factual findings of widespread criminal activity and corruption in the administration
 Factual findings of an official White House communication policy of lies and deceit
 Government DOJ investigators are fired, in a effort by the president to obstruct justice
 Multiple WH officials resign, rather than violate Federal laws in order to protect the president from legal scrutiny
 Multiple convictions and prison sentences for White House staff, associates and co-conspirators
 Nixon's approval rating steeply fell, right up to the day he resigned the presidency
 Nixon resigned before he could be impeached and convicted for obstruction of justice
 Congress passed legislation to prevent it from happening in the future
 Presidential abuse of power resulted in Congress reining in the Executive Office's overly-expanded powers



Or, does Graham mean "investigated to death" like this:

 Two years of investigation, give or take a month or two
 Factual findings of widespread criminal activity and corruption in the administration
 Factual findings of an official White House communication policy of lies and deceit
 Government DOJ investigators are fired, in a effort by the president to obstruct justice
 Multiple WH officials resign, rather than violate Federal laws in order to protect the president from legal scrutiny
 Multiple convictions and prison sentences for White House staff, associates and co-conspirators
 President's approval rating in free fall, right up to the day he suddenly stops Tweeting and disappears
 President runs away and hides before he can be impeached, indicted, convicted and imprisoned for multiple felonies
 Congress passes legislation to prevent THAT THING from happening in the future
 Presidential abuse of power results in Congress reining in the Executive Office's overly-expanded powers



zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 08:09pm PT
I thought he was being literal.

No Heimlick for the
Hamboogie Prez


Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 29, 2018 - 10:11pm PT
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 29, 2018 - 11:07pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mike Pence's rich donors would like to buy lunch for anybody who can get rid of Trump.


Miss Kentucky, serving up the $2.8 million Kentucky State Grand Champion Ham.





Pence and his Evangelical buddies used to pray for Trump, conning themselves that he would someday fall to his knees and ask Jesus into his heart.

In accordance with Evangelical selective-forgiveness theology, the deeper Trump descended into total madness and complete depravity, the more glorious it would be when he was finally lifted up into The Arms Of The Father. But, new revelations about Trump have been a non-stop barrage of shockingly degenerate tales of pure sordidness. The prayer circle people have redoubled their efforts to cast out the demons, but it's just not working.

Pence the Pious has had just about enough of Trump's unrepentant wickedness. And he's anxious to get his God-promised shot at being the president.

Pence is traveling the country's campaign circuit right now, talking up the president's policies. He's making sure his listeners know that Trump's policies are his policies, too. And, that there will be a seamless transfer of identical-policy power, just as soon as Trump is called up by The Higher Authorities to answer for his sins.


https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-god-president-1092902


However, Mueller might get the last laugh.

Mueller might issue some surprise indictments against Pence, who was right there, in the thick of the Russian conspiracy during the 2016 election. Even a bumbling stooge to a conspiracy is an indictable co-conspirator.

The Democratic Speaker of the House would then be sworn in as the next President of the United States.


Mitch McConnell thought blocking President Obama's Supreme Court pick was clever. McConnell hasn't even seen clever yet.




Lesson for GOP voters: don't elect a notorious career criminal to be your president. And if you do, pray that your bumbling stooge VP doesn't get mixed up in the felonies and indictments.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 30, 2018 - 08:51am PT
Devos is out of touch , wreckless , with no background in education and obsessed with dangerous right-wing ideaology destined for failure... Can the biotch...
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 30, 2018 - 10:19am PT
Trump’s personal attorney has pleaded guilty to eight charges. Trump’s campaign manager has been found guilty of eight charges and is preparing to face a second trial. Trump’s long-time accountant is cooperating with prosecutors. The White House attorney is on his way out the door after news that he “cooperated extensively” with the special counsel.

And behind them all, Robert Mueller is quietly filing away the pages of a report that is likely to include not just charges that Trump’s campaign conspired with Russian operatives and that Trump acted to obstruct the investigation, but also an unknown number of charges related to tax evasion and money-laundering.
Kos
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 30, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
Trump cancels 2.1% federal worker pay increase.

We must maintain efforts to put our Nation on a fiscally sustainable course, and Federal agency budgets cannot sustain such increases

Ironic, given the massive, deficit bloating, tax break for the rich.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 30, 2018 - 12:33pm PT
Trump cancels 2.1% federal worker pay increase.

His base will eat this up. Wonder where Judge Jody is on this one?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2018 - 12:41pm PT
President Donald Trump wants to move ahead with a plan to impose tariffs on $200 billion in Chinese imports as soon as a public-comment period concludes next week, according to six people familiar with the matter.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 30, 2018 - 02:01pm PT
Trump is a contradiction, within an irrationality, within an incompetence, within a delusion, within a narcissist. Trump is a Russian nesting doll, and he is Putin's boy-toy.


Trump gave a big tax break to the rich, thinking it would increase workers' wages (which didn't happen). Now, Trump is cancelling raises for Federal workers in the interest of reducing the budget deficit, which was substantially increased by his tax cut.

Trump enacted import tariffs, thinking it would make American products more competitive (which didn't happen). Now, Trump is paying out $12 billion in welfare payments to farmers going broke because of his tariff wars.


Trump is a like a drunk guy tacking like a sailboat as he goes up the street, trying to find his house. First, he tries this door. LOCKED! Then, he staggers off in a different direction and tries another door. NOPE! He bounces off a trash can, crashes through a hedge, and tries another door. DOH! He blindly wobbles along on his way, trying, again and again, to get it right.







When I entered "trump news nbc" into the "rigged" Google search engine, this was the top result. No InfoWars or Fox results appeared on the first page.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/30/trump-accuses-nbc-host-of-fudging-tape-about-comey-firing.html


Trump claims that NBC faked his widely watched interview with Lester Holt in May of 2017. Trump told Holt that he fired FBI Director James Comey because "this Russia thing, with Trump and Russia, is a made-up story".

Robert Mueller is investigating whether Trump attempted to obstruct the Russian investigation that was led by Comey. The Holt interview is prima facie evidence that Trump's intent was to stop the investigation.

Trump wants people to ignore what they see and hear, and supplant it with his denials and lies.


"The (Republican) Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears."
 George Orwell, 1984







Roger Stone, a longtime Trump Whisperer, is a current subject of the Mueller investigation. In true Trumpian fashion, Stone is denying criminal charges against himself, before those charges have even been made.

Like Trump, Roger Stone is fond of nonsensical, self-contradictory and self-refuting statements, like this beauty:

The Mueller team wants to frame me for some nonexistent crime to silence me, and pressure me to testify.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ex-trump-adviser-roger-stone-says-he-expects-mueller-charge-n905091



Donald Trump, Paul Manfort and Roger Stone have known each other for about 40 years. Trump hired Manafort and Stone in the early 1990s to politically attack Native American casinos competing with his Atlantic City casinos.

https://grondamorin.com/2017/03/23/roger-stone-paul-manafort-and-donald-trump-go-way-back/


Trump's claims that he first met Paul Manafort in mid-2016, and that he "hardly knows him, at all" are blatant lies.













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The ghost of Scooter Libby Past.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
The Federal security clearance application of a former CIA officer, who is running for office as a Democrat was leaked to a Republican linked Super Pac. The only persons that would have access to an unredacted security application would be someone in the Trump administration.

This is most likely a shot across the bow of any official that leaves the Federal government to run for office as a Democrat. It's also a felony.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/us/politics/cia-officer-house-election-super-pac.html

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 05:41pm PT
Hung over Washington
like air pollution


former Nixon vp lawyer @ about 5:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7QKkJR0pELo#fauxfullscreen
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
Did somebody go postal ... er .... what?


US Postal Service takes the blame for releasing Democratic House candidate Abigail Spanberger's sensitive personal data
dirtbag

climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 06:37pm PT
Oh no, in no way does this sound like a man who is desperately hiding something:


Over roughly the past day, President Trump has decried the “totally dishonest” media, with its “fake news” and “fake books.” He has argued that Google is biased against conservatives. And he has accused NBC News of “fudging” the tape of an interview with him that has been available online for more than a year.

The president has even declared there is no chaos in his White House, which he claimed is a “ ‘smooth running machine’ with changing parts,” despite the tumult that emanates almost daily from within its walls.

Trump’s assertions — all on Twitter, some false, some without clear evidence — come just over nine weeks before the midterm elections that could help determine his fate, and they are bound by one unifying theme: All of his perceived opponents are peddling false facts and only Trump can be trusted.

Watching republicans—rank and file, and leaders alike—claim nothing is wrong, everything is fine, is almost comical at this point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pushes-a-reality-where-opponents-are-peddling-false-facts-and-only-he-can-be-trusted/2018/08/30/d7ac7c38-ac62-11e8-b1da-ff7faa680710_story.html?utm_term=.69142cec5703
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 07:04pm PT

Apologies to Mr. Zevon


I'd like to go back to Paris someday and visit the Louvre Museum
Get a good running start and hurl myself at the wall
Going to hurl myself against the wall
'Cause I'd rather feel bad than feel nothing at all
And it ain't that FUNNY at all
Ain't that FUNNY at all
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 30, 2018 - 07:46pm PT
Trump has touted the mindless loyalty of his base, and when he marveled that he would not lose any support if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue, he was not complimenting the discernment of his supporters. He has tried to turn that into a positive — “I love the poorly educated!” — but the association with low socioeconomic strata has grated on him.

Trump is the ultimate snob. He has no sense that working-class people may have equal latent talent that they have been denied the chance to develop. He considers wealthy and successful people a genetic aristocracy, frequently attributing his own success to good gene

Trump has repeatedly boasted about his Ivy League pedigree and that of his relatives, which he believes reflects well on his own genetic stock. He has fixated on the Ivy League pedigree of his Supreme Court appointments, even rejecting the credentials of the lower Ivys as too proletarian.

Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 30, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
I always hate — I always hate when they say, well the elite decided not to go to something I’m doing, right, the elite. I said, “Well, I have a lot more money than they do. I have a much better education than they have. I’m smarter than they are. I have many much more beautiful homes than they do. I have a better apartment at the top of Fifth Avenue.”
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 02:34am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In this world that we live in,


John McCain was a true American hero.

His activity, his motive, his action in the Senate, was incontestably in the furtherance of a Better America.


originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:00am PT
^^^ Those phuckin basterds
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:53am PT
When is it ok to break democratic norms?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/discarding-norms-is-not-always-bad-but-how-you-do-it-matters/2018/08/31/7b0904c4-ac03-11e8-b1da-ff7faa680710_story.html?utm_term=.a3b29e749d17


Interesting reading to accompany your morning cup of covfefe.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 09:41am PT


Trump has repeatedly shown that he is a racist who harbors deep animus and hostility towards nonwhites and Muslims. These values and attitudes are shared by his voters and other supporters. As recent research demonstrates, at least 11 million white Americans who possess "white nationalist" beliefs, while many millions more are sympathetic to such politics. Other research suggests that the more Trump's racist behavior is criticized, the more his supporters are likely to defend him.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 10:00am PT
Breaking News

Washington (CNN) — Washington lobbyist W. Samuel Patten pleaded guilty Friday to acting as an unregistered foreign agent in the United States for Ukrainians from 2014 until 2017.

Patten's case was referred by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to an official with the US Attorney's office.

Tick, tick, tick, how long?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 10:53am PT
You know how Trump loves those poll numbers. Just talked about them the other day. Mo pop than Abe Lincoln (but not Abbie Hoffman?).

Attorney General Jeff Sessions appears to be more popular than President Trump, according to a poll released Friday.


In the ABC News/Washington Post poll, 60 percent of voters said they side with Mr. Sessions in his current dispute with the president.

Only 23 percent of voters said they sided with Mr. Trump, according to the poll.

In addition, 64 percent of those surveyed said they oppose Mr. Trump firing Mr. Sessions. Just 19 percent said they would support the move.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 10:57am PT
Racism and authoritarianism (and sexism) are closely related values and behaviors. In combination with a fear that white people are somehow losing power as a group in America -- a claim not supported by any substantive and correct evidence -- a state of collective narcissism exists for Trump's voters and other supporters.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 10:58am PT
fast-tracking trumps judicial nominees so they could 'get back to raising money' they said???


There's never a Ronnie Barrett around when you need one.

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 31, 2018 - 11:27am PT
Frostback! Here you go. A conservative friend sent me this strange scenario cartoon today.


My friend was smoking dope well into his 60's, but claims he has quit.

After seeing the above cartoon, I asked him if he was smoking dope yet again.

His response was NO & he added the cartoon scenario "could happen."

Sure, when Trump's ears becomes wings & he flies.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 11:48am PT
Regarding the cartoon, congress has to approve new VP selected by President, so it's just another conservative fantasy
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
Donald Trump and other right-wing political elites have expertly manipulated the death anxieties of white conservatives. In combination with a political sadism that makes the lives of Trump's and other Republican voters materially, spiritually and emotionally worse, these fears of death (and/or group obsolescence through the "browning of America") cannot be countered by rational, factually grounded arguments.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
"To be blunt, people would vote for me. They just would. Why? Maybe because I'm so good looking."

"I'm the most successful person ever to run for the presidency, by far. Nobody's ever been more successful than me. I'm the most successful person ever to run. Ross Perot isn't successful like me. Romney - I have a Gucci store that's worth more than Romney."

"[John McCain is]... not a war hero. He's a war hero - he's a war hero 'cause he was captured. I Like people that weren't captured, OK, I hate to tell you."

"Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest - and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."

"All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

"She does have a very nice figure... If [Ivanka] weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."

"I'm intelligent. Some people would say I'm very, very, very intelligent."

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.”
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
Oh. My. GOD!

Like, there are SO many witches out there.

Another witch pleads guilty to conspiring with Russia in 2016 election

Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 12:44pm PT
Tax evasion!
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 12:59pm PT
A new Post-ABC News poll finds:

63 percent of Americans support the Mueller investigation.

53 percent say Trump tried to interfere with the probe in a manner that amounts to obstruction of justice.

64 percent say Trump should not fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

62 percent say Sessions is right to allow the Mueller probe to proceed. (Trump has demanded that Sessions protect him from it.)

66 percent oppose a pardon for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, and 67 percent say the case against him is justified.

61 percent say Trump committed a crime by directing estranged lawyer Michael Cohen to make hush money payments.

A plurality of 49 percent supports beginning impeachment proceedings.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Aug 31, 2018 - 01:20pm PT
It would be interesting to hear the rationale of the 34% who apparently believe Paul Manafort deserves a pardon.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Aug 31, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
That there is even 18% is astonishing.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
Agnew worked on a deal to supply uniforms to the Iraqi Army, negotiating with Saddam Hussein.

Agnew was as at least as crooked as Trump, and like Trump, Agnew (and Nixon) blamed the liberal media

from wikipedia

Students of Professor John F. Banzhaf III from the George Washington University Law School found four residents of the state of Maryland willing to put their names on a case that sought to have Agnew repay the state $268,482, the amount it was said he had taken in bribes, including interest and penalties, as a public employee. After two appeals by Agnew, he finally wrote a check for $268,482 that was turned over to Maryland State Treasurer William S. James in 1983.[186] In 1989, Agnew applied unsuccessfully for this sum to be treated as tax-deductible.[185]
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 03:13pm PT
It would be interesting to hear the rationale of the 34% who apparently believe Paul Manafort deserves a pardon.


They’d say it was some kind of deep state witch hunt. You wouldn’t really learn much, except that much of the Republican base now consists of weirdo conspiracy theorists.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 03:16pm PT
^They believe in witches, but don't think anybody could ever actually catch one?

divad

Trad climber
wmass
Aug 31, 2018 - 03:27pm PT
MAGAMA...Make America Great Again My Ass..
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
A new Post-ABC News poll finds:

Trump's numbers are going up.

Last month, only 59% of all Americans hated his guts.

Soon, Trump's numbers will be the highest, ever. Even Nixon wasn't able to achieve 70% total hatred.




Trump's head is about to explode. He now wishes he had revoked everybody's security clearance the minute he was sworn in.

DOJ lawyer Bruce Ohr was told by a British spy that "Russia has Trump over a barrel", and that at least one senior Trump campaign member had meetings with high-level Russian officials during the election.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-Justice-lawyer-was-told-Russia-had-Trump-13196484.php





Trump thinks it's funny that his Press Secretary is having a nervous breakdown because he forces her to tell absurd lies that nobody believes.

https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Trump-says-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-is-having-a-13195680.php
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 05:15pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
She is the enemy of the people.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 31, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
Damn near Handsome as well.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
Can you imagine getting up every day knowing your are going to destroy your integrity and credibility for someone who would throw you under the bus at any moment?


Fun times. Hope she is getting paid.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:01pm PT
MAGAMA...Make America Great Again My Ass..

I have never understood just exactly what period in US History was it when America was not great?

We were not great when we defeated Japan and Germany and liberated Europe?

Trump has never said when we were not great.....

Pretty sure he was referring to the eight years when Obama was President, him being a dick racist and all...

or perhaps Donald yearns for a return to the 1950s...

when Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver were on TV

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:25pm PT
Hope she is getting paid.

i wonder if she and the rest of the whitey house staff is subject to the Trump pay freeze.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:27pm PT
Sarah is looking a lot like Rosie O'Donnel. Trump can't be happy about that.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
Washington (CNN) Washington lobbyist W. Samuel Patten pleaded guilty Friday to acting as an unregistered foreign lobbyist, and admitted to lying to the Senate Intelligence Committee and funneling a Ukrainian oligarch's money to Donald Trump's Presidential Inaugural Committee.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:42pm PT
Shocking...suprising...how unlike the republican party to do such a thing...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
( CNN)

Hahahaha
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
So that means it's fake news, right?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
Oh no , the entire edifice of Liberal Socialism is built on the truth.

I'm just saying you better wait until it gets confirmed. CNN is such a propaganda mill they are constantly losing track of their latest lies.

They don't even bother to retract their lies anymore when they are caught red-handed.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
The investigation is taking so long...It needs to end...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
Just out of curiosity I checked Fox and yes, same story there, but I had to wade through 3 pages of sensational Fox drivel to find it. Does that mean Fox is fake news now.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 07:59pm PT
Yes let's end this latest assault on the Constitution.

Or better yet , just to be even-handed, let's open a new investigation on Hillary and her deep state lap dogs and cover-up jockeys.

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
Read the text Weird Toddler

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sam-patten-plea-agreement
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
The justice department is run by conservatives now, in case you hadn't noticed, Trotter.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
This proves it finally , finally, finally collusion with Ukranians, I mean Russians. No I mean Russians.Ukranians. Aren't they fighting the Russians?

Hahahaha

Some link called "talking points" I'm going to run with.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:07pm PT
Just another brick in tearing down the cone of silence wall Weird


Your comedy routine not very funny

Why are you laughing Weird?

monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:10pm PT
The oligarch is pro-russian, Trotter.

You seem quite confused.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
Wooo "the oligarch"

Was he the dude crooked Hillary sold all that dirty Uranium to?
No, wait a minute he was a Russian.

Which one was a Russian or a Ukranian?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:13pm PT
No uranium was sold to Russians.

Damn you are ill informed.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
As usual Ward has no response to a request for him to actually provide support for his claims.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
Re Weird: and stupid and your mimicry of Trump is pathetic

Go get a hamburger Weird

dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
“Deep State”

Pure nut job talk.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:20pm PT
just when did this assault on the constitution begin ward?

When Rush Limbaugh told him to be outraged, a virtual Pavlovs dog.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:27pm PT
The " deep state " boogy.....
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:27pm PT
No uranium was sold to Russians.


Better get the deep state progressives on this one.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

They spent 4 years on that one.

Let's face it-- your side of the political aisle these days are a bunch of God-awful rats. And just about as transparent as a herd of donkeys.

You have no idea how deranged and fake you appear before the bulk of the American people.
The Left is increasingly looking like a herd of incompetent power -hungry jackasses who live in a bubble.

Trust me on this.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:34pm PT
Still no uranium sold to Russians, Trotter.

You might be confusing investing in a US company vs shipping Uranium to Russia.

If you focus, you might understand the difference.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
investing

Woo, nice word . Are you one of those lefist intellectuals so much smarter than ordinary Americans?

Are you the deep state sent to investigate supertopo?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
Glad you understand the difference now, Ward.

Keep up the good progress.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 31, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
Hey Ward, how is the Mueller investigation an attack on our Constitution?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 09:08pm PT
Wait a minute:

without the tiniest bit of evidence.

This is staring to sound more and more and more like ... "RUSSIAN COLLUSION"

Hey Ward, how is the Mueller investigation an attack on our Constitution?

Well for one thing it's an inside attempt by unelected people to overturn the results of a legitimate election.

And don't try to pretend it is anything else than that. Don't even bother. Even if you're a lawyer or politician.

You'll start looking and sounding more and more like a bubble- dwelling swamp creature.


What does he see?

Collusion I say!

Evidence to start the investigation?

None is needed says CNN!
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
Laughable.

It would be one thing if the fringes of the Republican Party believed that stuff, but the problem is that party leadership (including the Racist in Chief that Ward supports) encourages this crap. The Republican Party has gotta go.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
Republican Party has gotta go.

But, but you tried that and lost the House, Senate, and then the Presidency and the Supreme Court.

?

Looks like you'll have to start all over again.

This time with porn hookers, dirty lawyers, and the odd bozo who took some money from Ukranians. Or was it Russians?

Boy, this is a long way from progressive socialism and its purity.

Maybe this is why socialism always fails.

I say we investigate Hillary and Obama. Only fair!

We don't even need evidence for such an investigation. Evidence is passé. Like the truth in mainstream media, or Constitutional behavior from the deep state.

Wonder what we'd find in that investigation?

Any takers?

Any guesses?

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2018 - 10:17pm PT
Ward, have you told your doctor this? Don't...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2018 - 10:44pm PT
I say we investigate Hillary and Obama. Only fair!

how long did the Benghazi investigation last? What did that produce? no investigations of Obama because he is squeaky clean, a record Republicans can only dream about. Obama was a leader, Trump lacks ANY leadership qualities. Making money is not a leadership quality.

McCarthy admitted Benghazi was intended to be a political move. Darrell Issa was all in and it cost him his seat in Congress, his district, CA49th, will probably flip, due in large part to his chickenshit investigations. Yes the chickens are coming home to roost.
john hansen

climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 11:26pm PT
Even though I live in Hawaii,I want to get a Fresno phone book and call everyone with a Latino name and urge them to get out and vote. Nunez should and can be defeated.

Same with Mclintock,,

It comes down to one district at a time.

This election is really important this time and all of us must make a stand against hate and division and racism and all that Trump stands for.

We must win the House to keep checks and balances in place.

These are unprecedented times.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 1, 2018 - 09:51am PT
Well for one thing it's an inside attempt by unelected people to overturn the results of a legitimate election.
Nothing "inside" about it. It's one arm of the executive branch researching the integrity of another? You're saying you don't want to know if the POTUS colluded with our enemies in an effort to secure his election? We know he invited a hostile foreign power to try to hack the emails his opponent, so why is this a stretch?

Basically, if you still support Trump at this juncture, you've chosen a wanna be dictator over your country.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 1, 2018 - 11:25am PT
It's interesting to me to see the Associated Press weekly list of Trump's lies.

I can't respect anyone who "Lies like a Trump!"



AP Fact Check: Trump's week of fiction: trade, Google, polls
The trade comments came in a week of outright fiction in which Trump also kept asserting that Mexico will pay for his long-promised wall along the southwest border despite Mexico's statements to the contrary; falsely accused Google of shunning his State of the Union address while promoting Barack Obama's; and cited high poll ratings for himself that don't appear to exist.

A sampling of the claims and the reality behind them:

TRADE
TRUMP: "This is one of the largest trade deals ever made. Maybe the largest trade deal ever made." — phone call Monday with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto.
THE FACTS: Not even close. The Trans-Pacific Partnership, negotiated by the Obama administration, included the three NAFTA partners — United States, Canada and Mexico — plus Japan and eight other Pacific Rim countries. Trump withdrew the United States from the pact in his third day in office.

Even the TPP shrinks in comparison to Uruguay Round of trade negotiations. Concluded in 1994, the round created the World Trade Organization and was signed by 123 countries. The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston found the following year that the WTO's initial membership accounted for more than 90 percent of global economic output.

TRUMP: "We made the deal with Mexico. And I think it's a very — deal. We're starting negotiations with Canada, pretty much immediately ... It's going to be a — it's a smaller segment, as you know. Mexico is a very large trading partner." — phone call Monday with Peña Nieto.
THE FACTS: Trump appears to be suggesting that Mexico is a bigger U.S. trading partner than Canada. That's not the case. America's two-way trade — exports plus imports — came to $680 billion with Canada last year. That's compared with $622 billion with Mexico.

TRUMP: "I smile at Senators and others talking about how good free trade is for the U.S. What they don't say is that we lose Jobs and over 800 Billion Dollars a year on really dumb Trade Deals ... and these same countries Tariff us to death." — tweet Tuesday.

THE FACTS: The $800 billion is a reference to America's trade deficit last year. But Trump exaggerates the size of the gap between what the U.S. sells and what it buys from the rest of the world. The trade deficit in goods and services came to $552 billion in 2017. The United States ran an $807 billion deficit in goods such as cars and machinery. But Trump ignored America's $255 billion surplus in services such as education and finance.

Mainstream economists also take issue with Trump's assertion that trade deficits amount to a loss for the United States. The money didn't just vanish. In exchange for what they spent on imports, Americans got the benefit of owning everything from made-in-China iPhones to French wine.

BORDER WALL

TRUMP: "The wall will be paid for very easily by Mexico. It will ultimately be paid for by Mexico." — remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: Not according to Mexico. Immediately after Trump's remarks, Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray tweeted to stress, once again, that his country won't foot the bill for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Videgaray wrote that his country has been "absolutely clear" that Mexico "will NEVER pay for a wall."

RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

TRUMP: "What's going on at @CNN is happening, to different degrees, at other networks - with @NBCNews being the worst ... When Lester Holt got caught fudging my tape on Russia, they were hurt badly!" — tweet Thursday.
THE FACTS: There is no evidence of the NBC interview having been "fudged" or doctored in any way, and the White House didn't respond to requests regarding what Trump was referring to. NBC declined to comment.
In the interview, Trump referred in part to "this Russia thing" as a consideration in his decision to fire FBI Director James Comey. Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating possible obstruction of justice in the Russia probe.

It's possible Trump is frustrated that other comments from the same interview may have received less attention.

Minutes after he acknowledged that "this Russia thing" was on his mind when he fired Comey, Trump also acknowledged that he knew the decision to terminate him might actually prolong the investigation. In fact it did, with Mueller investigating the firing for potential obstruction of justice.
His lawyers and other supporters have contended that that sentiment is actually helpful for the president, suggesting he couldn't have been trying to obstruct the investigation by doing something that he knew would actually draw it out longer.

CLINTON EMAILS

TRUMP: "Report just out: 'China hacked Hillary Clinton's private Email Server.'" — tweet Tuesday.

TRUMP: "Hillary Clinton's Emails, many of which are Classified Information, got hacked by China. Next move better be by the FBI & DOJ or, after all of their other missteps (Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr, FISA, Dirty Dossier etc.), their credibility will be forever gone!" — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Trump's own law enforcement agencies dispute that.
Trump appears to be citing a story by the right-leaning Daily Caller publication, which reported that a Chinese-owned company in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Clinton's email server.
But FBI and Justice Department officials have said publicly that there was no evidence Clinton's server was hacked by a foreign power.
A June report from the Justice Department's inspector general on the FBI's handling of the Clinton investigation said FBI specialists did not find evidence that the server had been hacked, with one forensics agent saying he felt "fairly confident that there wasn't an intrusion."
An FBI official said Wednesday after the Daily Caller story and Trump's tweet that the "FBI has not found any evidence the servers were compromised."

POLL RATINGS

TRUMP: "Over 90% approval rating for your all time favorite (I hope) President within the Republican Party and 52% overall. This despite all of the made up stories by the Fake News Media trying endlessly to make me look as bad and evil as possible. Look at the real villains please!" — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: He's wrong in regard to polls citing his overall job ratings.
The Associated Press couldn't find any evidence of a recent poll that put Trump's approval at 52 percent, and the White House and his re-election campaign didn't respond to requests for specifics.
Polls are a snapshot of public opinion at the moment they are taken. Job approval can — and has in recent history — vary during a president's term.
Since his inauguration, however, Trump's job approval has been remarkably consistent, in the high 30s and low 40s, in polls from various media organizations and other pollsters.

The latest AP-NORC poll, taken this month, finds Trump's approval among American adults at 38 percent. Some other recent polls measure his approval in the low- to mid-40s.
On his level of support among Republicans, Trump is correct that they broadly approve of his work as president. In the same AP-NORC poll that found 38 percent of adults approving of the president, 76 percent of Republicans and those who lean toward the GOP said they approved of Trump. Some polls have put that level of support as high as 90 percent.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-fact-check-trumps-week-of-fiction-trade-google-polls/ar-BBMJuZU?li=BBnb7Kz

Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Sep 1, 2018 - 04:26pm PT
Ward says:
Trust me on this.
No.

Here's a fun one, 'What the F*#k Just Happened Today':

https://whatthef*#kjusthappenedtoday.com/

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2018 - 04:31pm PT
Russia Aims to Help GOP in Midterms -- And Warns It Would be 'Suicidal' for Republicans to Oppose Trump
Travis Gettys, Raw Story

Russian media reports that sanctions proposed by Trump will never be enforced and were just for show before the elections

The Kremlin is rooting for Republicans to keep their congressional majorities, according to a Russian media analyst -- and its state TV hosts are confident they'll win.

President Donald Trump hasn't done much to counter foreign efforts to influence the midterm elections, and has even suggested the Kremlin will work to benefit Democrats, but Russia's state TV paints a different picture, wrote journalist Julia Davis for The Daily Beast.

“Global empires like the United States are destroyed from within," said filmmaker Karen Shakhnazarov on Russia's "60 Minutes." "The U.S. is deteriorating. They won’t find other fighters like (Sen. John) McCain. There won’t be any others like him. This process is irreversible.”

Russia hopes to help Trump by promoting his economic successes and create joint business opportunities, and by cultivating relationships with Republican elected officials -- some of whom have traveled this summer to Moscow.

"Naturally, Trump’s team — if they aren’t suicidal — will find arguments in support of the president," said Konstantin Zatulin, a leading figure in Putin’s United Russia party. "Those who don’t, won’t be on his team — or maybe they won’t be in Congress."

Olga Skabeeva, host of "60 Minutes," and Russian government officials have openly bragged about using active measures to promote their agenda through U.S. politics -- which they believe will further compromise Trump.

"Help him, direct him, support him -- and then you'll say he isn't ours," Skabeeva said.

Russian media reports that sanctions proposed by Trump will never be enforced and were just for show before the elections, and they say the president and his Russian counterpart quietly agreed in Helsinki to establish a business council to "unite" U.S. and Russian business interests.

“We can seriously benefit from these deals, there’s potential profit at stake," said Dmitry Abzalov, director of the Center for Strategic Communications in Moscow. "We shouldn’t let Trump down right now, our main goal right now is to help him with correct arguments. He will follow through with an internal agenda and economy.”

The Kremlin's overarching goal is to see the U.S. give up its role as the world's dominant superpower and retreat to domestic affairs and global commerce, according to Davis.

“With Americans, it’s all very clear,” said Russian state TV host Evgeny Popov. “In Iowa or someplace in Montana, they’re more concerned with the price of corn or beef than Crimea.”

However, Russia plans to pursue an even more aggressive foreign policy.

"Turns out, the first President of Russia was threatening [Bill] Clinton that the Communists will come back, take the Crimea and Alaska," said Skabeeva, the "60 Minutes" host. "We already took the Crimea, albeit without the Communists. Now it's Alaska's turn."
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
Just a little plug for my forthcoming book and reinforcement for the fact that MEXICO REALLY REALLY REALLY NEEDS TO BUILD THAT MOTHERFUKKKKING WALL

(learned that little all caps trick from the TRUMPSTER himself)



zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
Even little bitch Don "Puto" Trump agrees

“We need the wall,” Trump said in a video about Tibbetts’ death that he posted to Twitter. “We need our immigration laws changed.”
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 06:31pm PT
FAKE ACCUSATIONS (by Drump

A reporter is pushing back on President Donald Trump's claim that journalists who interviewed him leaked his off-the-record comments about NAFTA negotiations.
In an unusual move for a reporter, Daniel Dale, Washington correspondent for the Toronto Star, said in a tweet Saturday that his source for a story about Trump's comments on trade negotiations with the Canadian government did not come from the Bloomberg journalists who conducted the interview.

"I'd said I wasn't going to say anything about my source for the quotes Trump made off the record to Bloomberg. However, I don't want to be party to the president's smearing of excellent, ethical journalists. So I can say this: none of the Bloomberg interviewers was my source," Dale tweeted.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Sep 1, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
another trumpeter traitor pleads guilty

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/w-samuel-patten-washington-dc-lobbyist-charged-with-failing-to-file-as-foreign-agent-2018-09-01/
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 1, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
Washington (CNN) Washington lobbyist W. Samuel Patten pleaded guilty Friday to acting as an unregistered foreign lobbyist, and admitted to lying to the Senate Intelligence Committee and funneling a Ukrainian oligarch's money to Donald Trump's Presidential Inaugural Committee.


Oh, it gets better than that.

In 2015, the Washington D.C. lobbyist, W. Samuel Patten, entered into a 50-50 partnership with a Russian intelligence operative with close ties to Putin and the Kremlin. Patten and the Russian spy, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, started a political consulting company together. Earlier, Kalimnick had worked closely with Paul Manafort in promoting pro-Russian interests in Ukraine.

Kilimnik was indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury on June 8, 2018 on charges of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice by attempting to tamper with a witness on behalf of Manafort. Manafort is in jail awaiting his (second) Federal trial later this month. Kilimnick is a fugitive from justice, and believed to be in Moscow.


Patten's guilty plea is the tip of yet another iceberg that will sink the Trumptanic.

Patten's plea deal might include a sealed agreement to cooperate and testify, like the one that Michael Cohen probably has.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/us/politics/patten-fara-manafort.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kilimnik
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 1, 2018 - 10:12pm PT
Is he that Klimmer guy who kept posting what a great fella trump was....?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 1, 2018 - 10:30pm PT
Mueller's witch list:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html




The Watergate scandal resulted in 69 indictments, and 48 convictions.

Trump better step it up, if he expects to obtain the bragging rights of The Most. Ever.


Mueller hasn't yet indicted any Americans with a last name that begins with "T".





Did you hear about the gift of evidence that Robert Mueller received?

He must have gone to Jared.

john hansen

climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 10:35pm PT
I think that when you just lie everyday and make up facts and get your news from Fox and the Enquier, we are in trouble , Trump is not a very intelligent person or well read .

Today was a great day for America.

It is good to see all the people at Mccain's funeral,wether your think good or bad of him . but all the people there showed their unity for the values of America instead of the divisions that Trump creates every day.


Trump is like the "Grinch That Stole Christmas" while the folk's down in Who ville carry on with their lives and their grief for a fallen hero.

Trump thinks he is an Emperor, but he is losing his cloths ..

As Rodney Dangerfeild said... "I can' even get invited to a funeral"

Weather you agree with John Mccain or not , I am glad he brought us all together as Americans for the last few day 's . We are all created equally . And it is refreshing to hear sane people like Bush and Obama speak instead of Trumps tweeting.

Aloha
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 2, 2018 - 01:44am PT
BBC documentary Trump: Is the President a Sex Pest?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bc6cm8

July 9, 2018 - 30 minutes

Women who were underage fashion models at the time tell stories of Trump groping them, walking into dressing rooms, and startling one from her sleep by getting into bed with her (he used his passkey to enter her Mar-A-Lago hotel room after she had rebuffed him).


YouTube version.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 07:34am PT
Now that's FAKE, not even one person will salute trump when he dies.

The range of things Trump is declaring fake is growing too. Last month he tweeted about "fake books," "the fake dossier," "fake CNN," and he added a new claim – that Google search results are "RIGGED" to mostly show only negative stories about him. He also accused NBC News' Lester Holt of "fudging" the tape of his May 2017 interview conducted shortly after Trump fired FBI director James Comey.

Trump’s Tweets Including The Words ‘Fake’ Or ‘Phony’
Fake news(dark)
Fake (other) (lighter)
Phony (lightest)

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 2, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
Putin's puppet was assassinated by an explosion at a cafe.


No, it was not the Putin Puppet you're thinking of. It was a different Putin Puppet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/31/rebel-leader-alexander-zakharchenko-killed-in-explosion-in-ukraine


This is how Putin operates: install a weak and subservient puppet as a Manchurian Leader, and if he gets out of line, wipe him out in a dramatic manner.







Paul Manafort was a political operative for Putin's cronies in Ukraine. His job was to make a Kremlin-groomed puppet more palatable to Ukrainian voters. When Manafort failed to achieve a lasting result there, he was ordered to Trump Tower to run the 2016 campaign.

This Russia thing, with Trump and Russia, is not a made-up story. It is being blown wide open by investigators uncovering the incompetence of various players.


Follow the money. Just, follow the money.
 anonymous source, 1973-1974


Follow the incompetence. Just, follow the incompetence.
 anonymous source, 2017-2018
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 2, 2018 - 07:24pm PT
New Billboard in Texas Put Up by Go Fund Me+David Hogg to elect Beto

zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 3, 2018 - 08:51am PT

Trump has visited his golf courses on 25 percent of his 590 days in office

Of his 590 days in office, Trump has gone to Trump properties on 196 days and Trump golf properties on 153 days

This was the guy who would be so busy draining the swamp that he wouldn't have any time left over.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 3, 2018 - 09:46am PT
"If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,"

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263146-doctor-trump-will-be-healthiest-president-ever

you have to dig deep to find a healthier president, but they are out there

john hansen

climber
Sep 3, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
So now Trump wants Sessions to disregard crimes committed by sitting members of congress.

Trumps tweet..

"Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department," Trump tweeted. "Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff.."


From USA Today


Earlier this month, Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., was indicted on enough insider trading charges to put him away for 150 years after he allegedly called his son from a congressional picnic at the White House to tip him off on confidential corporate information. Collins has denounced the charges as "meritless" and says he looks forward "to being fully vindicated and exonerated."


And from the Washington Post:

The Justice Department on Tuesday charged a Republican congressman and his wife with using more than $250,000 in campaign funds to pay for family vacations, theater tickets and other personal expenses.

Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (Calif.) and his wife, Margaret, were charged in a 47-page indictment that details how they allegedly used campaign money to live beyond their means, funding trips to Italy, Hawaii and other places, as well as school tuition, dental work and theater tickets. The Justice Department said in a news release that the couple also allegedly spent tens of thousands of dollars on more modest items, such as golf outings, video games and even home utilities.


Edit for Winemaker: Yup
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Sep 3, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
So now he wants Sessions to disregard crimes committed by sitting members of congress.

No John, he wants to disregard crimes committed by REPUBLICAN congress people. If they were Democrats he'd be demanding they be put right in jail.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 3, 2018 - 02:43pm PT
¡Muchas gracias a los trabajadores quien traien nuestras comidas!




StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 3, 2018 - 02:57pm PT
tRump publicly shaming his own AG for not doing something sleazy and highly unethical.

Making ‘Merica great one tweet at a time.

Loser is begging to be impeached.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Sep 3, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
For all practical purposes, Trump is above the law. He can’t be, or won’t be, indicted. He may well be impeached in the house but that will be, more or less, feckless. The senate would have to try him and convict with with a 2/3 majority in order to remove him from office. Even if the the dems win the senate this fall, which isn’t likely, it will be by just one or two votes even in the in the best of projections. There are too many self interested, and also morally bereft, Republican senators to get anywhere near a 2/3 vote.

The country’s best hope in ridding ourselves of this scourge is the threat of state prosecution of Trump’s family and friends. In other words crimes he can’t pardon. His son(s), daughter, and son-in-law might go to jail, and that might be the leverage necessary to get Trump to resign. We’d still have to contend with Pence who is in some ways worse, and also the perennially tweeting bloviating ex-President Trump.
john hansen

climber
Sep 3, 2018 - 04:03pm PT
I understand what you are saying Dropline and agree with most all you say.

If the Dems can turn the House and let Mueller release his report, it might be so damaging the even hard line Republicans would turn against him.
Also they would have the heads of committee's that could investigate him.

If one of his kids is indicted on a state charge that also might trigger him to lose it and do some thing that reaches a tipping point.

It seems He and Rudy are not even trying to deny things anymore , but just trying to stall and obstruct in every way they can.

The Justice Department is supposed to be independent of Presidential oversight.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 3, 2018 - 04:56pm PT
When is anyone,Red or Blue ,if he is unequivocally found guilty of all the above, going to strip everything he has done ,right down to not allowing his VP ,Supreme Court nominees,or reversal of anything Obama.

You know when?

Election Day 2020.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 3, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
YEP - Doesn't care that they are crooks, just that they support him.

Duncan's father did the exact same thing.

Lock 'em up or deport them.


A vote of Hunter is a vote for a criminal


Pewten

Trad climber
The Dark Side
Sep 3, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
My Russian trolls have succumbed to fatigue
so they sent me in the stir it up
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
How were the Needles?
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 3, 2018 - 11:01pm PT
it might be so damaging the even hard line Republicans would turn against him.

It would be a purely political calculation. If the evidence is bad enough that the republican base turns against trump then the senate republicans will impeach to save their jobs in the next election. If the evidence is there but the base doesn’t turn the senate won’t impeach even if they know he’s guilty.

What’s been surprising and sad to me is that I thought the majority of the Republican base were reasonable and wanted honesty and justice. I thought only the far right would put up with racism, sexism, and constant lies and abuses of justice, but it seems many in their base will put up with all of that as long as their agenda is being advanced. Really disappointing. So I doubt Trump will be impeached because they choose to believe his lies rather than believe in truth and justice.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 4, 2018 - 07:51am PT

It would be a purely political calculation. If the evidence is bad enough that the republican base turns against trump then the senate republicans will impeach to save their jobs in the next election. If the evidence is there but the base doesn’t turn the senate won’t impeach even if they know he’s guilty.

What’s been surprising and sad to me is that I thought the majority of the Republican base were reasonable and wanted honesty and justice. I thought only the far right would put up with racism, sexism, and constant lies and abuses of justice, but it seems many in their base will put up with all of that as long as their agenda is being advanced. Really disappointing. So I doubt Trump will be impeached because they choose to believe his lies rather than believe in truth and justice.

I would take it a step further and say that a significant number of republicans support authoritarianism. They might give lip service to democratic principles, but they prefer strongmen. That has been eye opening for me.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 4, 2018 - 09:13am PT
tut...thanks for the link...trump is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode and take the republican party with him...disturbing and sad for the rest of America and maybe not so much for the half-wits that support him...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 4, 2018 - 09:56am PT
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/4/1793123/-Trump-supporters-burn-their-own-stuff-in-protest-of-people-protesting-for-justice

On Monday, Nike announced that that former San Francisco 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick would be the new face of its long-running “Just Do It” campaign. By Monday afternoon, Trump supporters began destroying their own clothes.

Trumpists spent the evening cutting up their own socks, rending their own shirts, setting fire to their own shoes and, of course, making videos of the whole thing so that they could show how they owned the liberals. By destroying their own stuff. That they already paid for. This follows in the proud tradition of Trumpists blowing up Yeti coolers when they thought Yeti had stopped being adequately supportive of the NRA. Because there’s nothing that shows righteous anger like … destroying inanimate objects that you own. It’s like taking your ball and going home. Then blowing up the ball.

...Trump has from the beginning attempted to appropriate a protest designed to highlight racial injustice and used it to increase racial injustice by inflaming racial hatred. This is not a new thing. It’s precisely the kind of action taken during the Civil Rights movement by politicians who pointed to black protests as a clear sign that they needed to be even more abusive to blacks.

Not surprisingly, Fox News has been running with this story almost 24/7 since the Nike announcement. There is now nothing more important than who is in a shoe company commercial, and nothing more beautiful than people taking a pair of scissors to their socks.

But at least for the moment, the images of Trumpists smugly snickering over their own shoe-bonfires is enormously amusing.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 4, 2018 - 10:01am PT
Bob Woodward’s new book will stir the pot. Among many gems is this:

The book vividly recounts the ongoing debate between Trump and his lawyers about whether the president would sit for an interview with Mueller. On March 5, Dowd and Trump attorney Jay Sekulow met in Mueller’s office with the special counsel and his deputy, James Quarles, where Dowd and Sekulow reenacted Trump’s January practice session.

Dowd then explained to Mueller and Quarles why he was trying to keep the president from testifying: “I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?’ ”

“John, I understand,” Mueller replied, according to Woodward.

Later that month, Dowd told Trump: “Don’t testify. It’s either that or an orange jumpsuit.”

But Trump, concerned about the optics of a president refusing to testify and convinced that he could handle Mueller’s questions, had by then decided otherwise.

“I’ll be a real good witness,” Trump told Dowd, according to Woodward.

“You are not a good witness,” Dowd replied. “Mr. President, I’m afraid I just can’t help you.”

The next morning, Dowd resigned.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.57c2999d9d22
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 4, 2018 - 10:17am PT
I would take it a step further and say that a significant number of republicans support authoritarianism. They might give lip service to democratic principles, but they prefer strongmen. That has been eye opening for me.

I read an interesting article a while back. The researchers came to the conclusion that around 20~30% of any given population has a strong preference for law-and-order strongmen even at the expense of democracy and social justice. This percentage was similar across a lot of groups despite the culture/society. Now whether a strongman was actually popular came down to "swing" supporters and that had a lot to do with society: stability, crime/violence, economics, nationalism, etc...

Republicans were trending this direction before Trump, and economic insecurity helps ramp it up, but Trump has done a lot of damage to our institutions and norms that normally fight back against this and help protect democracy and social justice.

And another random example of a blow to political norms, Republican candidates for national office are far more comfortable using racial slurs against opponents then they were just a few, short years ago.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Sep 4, 2018 - 10:39am PT
Trump disciples are a sad lot. It's more like a cult than a political party.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 4, 2018 - 11:26am PT
Voters elected President Donald Trump to lead the nation, but Bob Woodward’s new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House,” describes the White House as “an administrative coup d’etat” and a “nervous breakdown” of the executive branch.

According to an excerpt from the book published in the Washington Post on Tuesday, administration staffers often have to engage in stealthy behavior to prevent Trump from being impulsive and to minimize disasters that could hurt the president and the country. In some cases, senior aides would reportedly pluck official papers from Trump’s desk before he could sign them.

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper, telling colleagues he thought the president was “unhinged,” according to Woodward.

In one meeting, Kelly reportedly said Trump was “an idiot,” and it was “pointless to try to convince him of anything.”

“He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are still here.

Woodward's new book will be out Sept 11, google for excerpts
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Sep 4, 2018 - 12:35pm PT
sure made the case that the corporate fix is in, and has captured the roberts court already:
https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180904161438-senator-sheldon-whitehouse-opening-statement-for-kavanaugh-hearin
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
Tidbits from Woodward's book.
"He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in crazytown," Kelly is quoted as saying at a staff meeting in his office. "I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had."
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
and more...
Defense Secretary James Mattis describes Trump as having the understanding of "a fifth or sixth grader." And Trump's former personal lawyer John Dowd describes the President as "a f*#king liar," telling Trump he would end up in an "orange jump suit" if he testified to special counsel Robert Mueller.
The number of people willing to come on these threads in support of Trump is down to just a few.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 4, 2018 - 01:43pm PT
More from Bob Woodward's new book on the madman in the White House.

Pulitzer Prize winning writer Bob Woodward's 448-page book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," provides an unprecedented inside-the-room look through the eyes of the President's inner circle. From the Oval Office to the Situation Room to the White House residence, Woodward uses confidential background interviews to illustrate how some of the President's top advisers view him as a danger to national security and have sought to circumvent the commander in chief.

Many of the feuds and daily clashes have been well documented, but the picture painted by Trump's confidants, senior staff and Cabinet officials reveal that many of them see an even more alarming situation — worse than previously known or understood. Woodward offers a devastating portrait of a dysfunctional Trump White House, detailing how senior aides — both current and former Trump administration officials — grew exasperated with the President and increasingly worried about his erratic behavior, ignorance and penchant for lying.

Chief of staff John Kelly describes Trump as an "idiot" and "unhinged," Woodward reports. Defense Secretary James Mattis describes Trump as having the understanding of "a fifth or sixth grader." And Trump's former personal lawyer John Dowd describes the President as "a f*#king liar," telling Trump he would end up in an "orange jump suit" if he testified to special counsel Robert Mueller.

Woodward also quotes an unnamed White House official who gave an even more dire assessment of the meeting: "It seems clear that many of the president's senior advisers, especially those in the national security realm, are extremely concerned with his erratic nature, his relative ignorance, his inability to learn, as well as what they consider his dangerous views."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 4, 2018 - 03:40pm PT
Here is more proof that a medieval border wall is not going to stop illegal entry from Mexico into the United States.



A Cancun resident stowed away within a tourist's airline luggage, and was discovered by the Foster City woman only after returned home and opened her suitcase. She said she found the young, undocumented male hiding in her underwear.

The juvenile was immediately turned over to authorities, who are detaining him at a government facility for those like himself.


https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/iguana-bikini-woman-luggage-mexico-stows-13203487.php
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 4, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
#Trumpistheman_sowhatifhe's_wearinganorangesuit



CRIME 09/04/2018 05:37 pm ET
Stolen Ruby Red Slippers From ‘Wizard Of Oz’ Found By FBI After 13 Years


Sometimes it takes a while

“We are still working to ensure that we have identified all parties involved in both the initial theft and the more recent extortion attempt for their return,” Dudley said. “This is very much an active investigation.”

Did someone Just say shades of Bill Cosby?
dirtbag

climber
Sep 4, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
It’s hilarious how trump called sessions a “dumb southerner” considering that his base largely comes from the south.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 4, 2018 - 09:30pm PT
Good call Mighty...
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 5, 2018 - 07:05am PT
Twits of Twitter show their smarts


Who is she? What’s up with the white power sign? @MSNBC

I backed up my recording to confirm and she totally did this. 1:20 pm eastern. What in the hell...

Kavanaugh’s former law clerk Zina Bash is flashing a white power sign behind him during his Senate confirmation hearing. They literally want to bring white supremacy to the Supreme Court. What a national outrage and a disgrace to the rule of law.

What fresh hell is this!!!???
Kavanaugh’s assistant Zina Bash giving the white power sign right behind him during the hearing? This alone should be disqualify!!! pic.twitter.com/ZzXVqgTXhC

— Amy Siskind (@Amy_Siskind) September 4, 2018

They'd fit right in on The Taco.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 07:22am PT
Lot of class the Demoncrats are showing at the Kavanaugh hearings. That is the only way they know how to deal with things so I guess it shouldn't surprise


Why are trump’s senate cronies hiding documents? That is the only way republicans know how to deal with things so I guess it shouldn't surprise
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 08:04am PT
Gets off to a very poor start Trump has created no jobs.


His list is below

•Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
•More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
•We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
•Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
•Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
•New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
•Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
•African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
•Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
•Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma
•Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
•Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
•The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
•95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—highest ever.
•Retail sales surged last month, up another 6% over last year.
•Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion dollars poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
•As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
•Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
•Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
•Opened ANWR & Approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
•Record number of regulations eliminated.
•Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
•Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
•My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
•Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.e reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs--saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
•Signed Right-To-Try Legislation.
•Secured $6 billion dollars in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
•We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16% during my first year in office.
•Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
•Increased our coal exports by 60%; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
•United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
•Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
•Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
•Secured record $700 billion dollars in military funding; $716 billion next year.
•NATO allies are spending $69 billion dollars more on defense since 2016.
•Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the armed forces.
•Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
•Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch; Nominated Judge Brett Kavanagh.
•Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
•Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
•Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
•Issued executive order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
•Concluded an historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
•Reached a breakthrough agreement with the EU to increase U.S. exports.
•Imposed tariffs on foreign Steel & Aluminum to protect our national security.
•Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
•Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion dollars this year.
•Improved vetting & screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
•We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Sep 5, 2018 - 08:06am PT
Under current circumstances, Kavanaugh should not be confirmed. But, unfortunately, he will be.

The suggestion, however, that his law clerk, Zina Bash, is knowingly flashing a white power symbol is just ridiculous.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 08:17am PT

The president’s insistence all of this [Bernstein book] is made up simply doesn’t fly except with the most devoted cultists.


AND

There is no public record indicating that the Justice Department had been investigating Collins’ investments in the company prior to June 22, 2017

But it is clear that the investigation that led to the congressman’s indictment began after Trump took office — so the president is wrong to describe it as a “long running, Obama era” investigation.



Trump also described it as a “long running, Obama era” investigation, when in fact the investigation lasted longer under the Trump administration than it did under the Obama administration.

“The criminal investigation began in June of 2016, two months after the Federal Election Commission and the San Diego Union-Tribune questioned some of Hunter’s campaign expenses as potentially personal,” the DOJ said in a statement announcing the indictment of Hunter and his wife.

That means that the federal investigation of the Hunters lasted only about eight months under the Obama administration and extended another 19 months under the Trump administration, ending with the Aug. 21 indictment.

The indictment against the Hunters was filed by Braverman, who, again, was appointed by Sessions. “The indictment alleges that Congressman Hunter and his wife repeatedly dipped into campaign coffers as if they were personal bank accounts, and falsified FEC campaign finance reports to cover their tracks,” Braverman said in the DOJ press release on the indictment. “Elected representatives should jealously guard the public’s trust, not abuse their positions for personal gain. Today’s indictment is a reminder that no one is above the law.”
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Sep 5, 2018 - 01:01pm PT
Your argument assumes Bash knows, or knew, what white supremacy signs are. Prior to this dust up I had no idea that was a white supremacy sign. I’m guessing a lot of people don’t know.

(It looks like the post I was responding to has been removed.)
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 5, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
One minute, Trumplicans say that Robert Mueller is taking too long, and that he should wrap up his investigation now, before the elections.

Then, they say that the DOJ should not have indicted the two GOP Senators before the elections. They say the DOJ should have waited until after the elections, with voters unaware of the forthcoming indictments.


GOP =------> FOS





Bob Woodward's new book is consistent with what other people have said is going on in the White House:

Trump is crazy, and the people around him are babysitters and enablers.






The photo of Kavanaugh and his clerk appears to have been photoshopped.

Here's approximately the same image, from a video of the hearing.

dirtbag

climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
Following Woodward’s book, this is an extremely interesting account from a senior trump administration official who considers himself or herself a resistance member.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html


I disagree strongly with this:


Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

Applying the 25th amendment in good faith is not a constitutional crisis: it is a remedy described in the constitution.

That is what that provision is for!


But having unelected staff repeatedly and blatantly behaving insubordinately is a huge problem (though not necesssarily a constitutional one). I’m glad there are adults in the room, but they are not the president and are, even if we’ll intentioned, abusing their position.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2018 - 02:12pm PT

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.
The problem is that not one of "Steady State" has had the courage to resign in protest and expose the perpetrators in the light of day. Please have the balls to tell the base they support a traitorous criminal and that Congress is currently propping up an authoritarian despot to do further damage to our institutions- Cowardice on display.

If you support Trump beyond today's events then maybe Clinton was right about the "Deplorables".
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 5, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
kingtut

Sep 5, 2018 - 08:16am PT
^^^Even I know that is photo-shopped.

Another example of what you think you know being quite different from the truth.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
It’s basically a coup.

If trump really is so bad that he can’t do the job himself then congress or his cabinet need to step up and get him out.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2018 - 03:55pm PT
There is the very real possibility that Muller's report will Expose a conspiracy to impact the electorate in Trump's favor.

If so, every Presidential action, every nomination, every sign document, and every appointment could be constitutionally rendered null and void.

That's the Constitutional crisis that Congressional Republicans fear the most.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
No worries...
"...there are adults in the room."

:)
dirtbag

climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 04:26pm PT
t that's the thing; its not a coup. I have a certain level of empathy for guys like Mathias, less for others. The Frum piece Mighty quoted is spot on and frankly should have happened long ago. Time for patriots to standup and shove the traitors and/or greed-freaks out of the way to force a real constitutional crisis to remove trump and pence from office so the country can get on with the process of resolution to this trainwreck.

It is. We are seeing evidence that many/most higher level officials have seized power that rightfully belongs with the president. A General is making decisions about going to war, not the president. A senior advisor is deciding who we break treaties with, not the president. They may be taking actions that protect the public, but power has been systematically taken away from the president extralegally and his constitutional authority ignored. He is just too far out to lunch to realize it.

Just because I often agree with what they are doing does not make it not right. This is a terribly broken situation, and there will be bad consequences.

A Essex

climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 04:44pm PT
Putin is LOLOLOLOLOL
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 5, 2018 - 06:37pm PT
kingtut

Yea bro, you nailed it. An aide to Kavanaugh is flashing white power gang signs during the confirmation hearing....LOL.

You're a bad joke.

Your post was about it being photoshopped. It wasn't. Now you're trying to make my post about something else. Weasel move.

Nice work, dumbass.

-----------------------------


After the midterm election and the Dems have regained control of The House, Trump will take his ball and go home.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
It's like the Kingfish tryin' to outargue A.J. Calhoun, isn't it?


High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 5, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
The motive behind writing that op-ed.

Food for thought...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 5, 2018 - 09:19pm PT
The bad news , if you're a felon , is you can't vote...The good news is you can work for the trump administration...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 5, 2018 - 11:43pm PT
The motive behind writing that op-ed.

Maybe setting the table for removal by one means or another. Maybe to get the sane Republicans to think about removal, combined with an election disaster and the Mueller report, maybe Congress will take action.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Sep 6, 2018 - 03:32am PT

dirtbag

climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 07:42am PT
The right way to deal with presidential fitness:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/doubt-the-president-write-a-memo-not-an-op-ed/569473/

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 6, 2018 - 10:31am PT
I listened to a few of hours of the Kavanaugh hearings yesterday. He came off pretty well there, better than some of the Democrats.

He said he admires Scalia, but then Ginsberg admires Scalia, too. He respects precedent, and explained some of his prior decisions were based on existing precedent. He seems strong on civil rights, he mentioned the importance of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments several times. He thinks Brown v. Board of Education was one of the most important decisions in our history.

He certainly didn't sound like a Trump puppet. Seems like a good chance he'll be another Souter or Warren, someone who might surprise his supporters.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 6, 2018 - 11:38am PT
They get what they want, but they never want it again.
 Courtney Love






This is a statement released by White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders:


He is not putting country first, but putting himself and his ego ahead of the will of the American people. This coward should do the right thing and resign.”


Sanders is clueless. She's projecting Trump's failings with a childishly absurd "I'm Rubber - You're Glue" communications protocol.


Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 6, 2018 - 01:03pm PT
Wouldn't it be cool if "Deep Throat II" is actually Sarah!


Not likely.

The Op-Ed author describes himself as being in a position to affect policy. Sanders is the communications secretary, not a policy maker.




Do you like peaches? Well, how do you like them impeaches?
 Good Will Humping




More clues about the identity of Good Will Humping:


The New York Times referred to the person with the masculine pronoun "he".

He says he is a Trump appointee, which implies he has a high-level position, and is not a low-level lackey, as the White House wants the public to believe.

He is not a holdover from the Obama Administration. He is a Trumplican.

His seniority and integrity are such that the New York Times is confident that when his identity is finally revealed, the NY Times will not be embarrassed.

The person is a loyal partisan. He believes it is important to protect the image of the party by compensating for Trump's insanity. Removing Trump from office would be the logical, non-partisan action to protect the nation.

The person is not a die-hard Trumplican, but seems willing to shift allegiance to Pence. The Op-Ed implies that the writer is resigned to the fact that Mueller has the goods on Trump, and that it is only a matter of time before his report is released.


So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 01:23pm PT
We need to come up with a name for the anonymous Op Ed author that will capture the imaginations of the generation they way "Deep Throat" did for Nixon...

Gotta be

Algonquin J. Calhoun


[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 6, 2018 - 01:42pm PT
Trump is Concentric:

 a con man at the center of attention.


He is also Centripetal:

 wants everything directed towards himself.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
I listened to a few of hours of the Kavanaugh hearings yesterday. He came off pretty well there, better than some of the Democrats.

He said he admires Scalia, but then Ginsberg admires Scalia, too. He respects precedent, and explained some of his prior decisions were based on existing precedent. He seems strong on civil rights, he mentioned the importance of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments several times. He thinks Brown v. Board of Education was one of the most important decisions in our history.

He certainly didn't sound like a Trump puppet. Seems like a good chance he'll be another Souter or Warren, someone who might surprise his supporters.

Yes, Kavanaugh should make an excellent Justice. The Democrat "resistance" seems based on general dislike for Trump and perhaps a little lingering resentment over the Garland debacle rather than on anything specific to Kav. Sure they don't like that he's conservative, but when there's a vacancy to be appointed by Republican president and senate, what would anyone expect?

Really looking forward to see what SCOTUS can do now that there will finally be a majority that has principled understanding of the proper role of the federal courts. (Kennedy wasn't so hot.) And it seemed to take about 50 years, but I think the Repubs finally have learned what the Dems have known for at least that period of time: you gotta get the ones you want on the court while you can. I don't think we'll have another Souter / Kennedy / Stevens etc. turncoat on our hands with this guy, he's as conservative as the day is long, a true believer / right winger / what have you.
I almost feel sorry for the lib court watchers out there, it's gonna be a lonnnnnng time before you get another activist court to try to ram through polices you can't get through the democratic process! (At least if Thomas can stick around, he's only 70, but he doesn't look real healthy to me.)


Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
I don't think we'll have another Souter / Kennedy / Stevens etc. turncoat on our hands with this guy, he's as conservative as the day is long, a true believer / right winger / what have you.
People will still be gay, we will refuse to read your religious books, people won't be forced to pledge allegiance, California will continue to sue the Federal government and win the right for clean water and air, women will have abortions and this President will go down in flames. So what makes you happy about this?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2018 - 03:31pm PT
Thats your only hope for a right wing activist court.

Umm, think you got that turned around a bit. It's the lefties that are for "activist" courts, the conservatives simply "call the balls and strikes" as Roberts put it.
Sure every now and then they gotta strike down clearly unconstitutional laws like they did in Citizens United (law violated First Amendment / Freedom of Speech) and Heller (law violated Second Amendment / right to bear arms), but come on, those laws weren't even close to being constitutional.
In general, a conservative court will be the model of judicial restraint.

This is all very good news that we should be thankful for, even if you're not a big Trump fan.


So what makes you happy about this?
Happy to live in a country with a reasonable court system rather than the travesty we've had under the libs where the judges just make crap up (and often very annoying crap at that).
For example, finding that death penalty violates the constitution, when the death penalty is at least implicit in the very text! Read the freaking Fifth Amendment and tell me that the DP can be unconstitutional (under any reasonable interpretation), I beg of you.

hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Sep 6, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/06/could-joe-biden-pick-barack-obama-as-his-running-mate-yes-but/?utm_term=.d250a1a88285
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
Other than supporting torture and being a liar, what's there not to like about "The Kav". Has all the same qualifications for the Supreme Court as The Nuge.




Kavanaugh argued the only Supreme Court case of his career, claiming that he could compel Foster’s lawyer to turn over notes on their conversation shortly before Foster’s death. (The Court rejected that argument, 6-3, with conservative Chief Justice William Rehnquist writing that attorney-client privilege precluded the notes’ release, and Kavanaugh’s former boss Kennedy joining the majority.)

the beat goes on
dirtbag

climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 04:36pm PT
Umm, think you got that turned around a bit. It's the lefties that are for "activist" courts, the conservatives simply "call the balls and strikes" as Roberts put it.

That has always been such a huge load of simplistic bullsh#t.

Conservatives judges are every bit as activist as liberals.

Supreme Court rarely get easy cases, and all require complex judgments beyond determining the strike zone. Roberts spoke nonsense when he said that at his confirmation hearing.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 04:53pm PT
DB, I understand your analogy and agree with your assessment, "terribly broken" it is. But to clarify, a general cannot start a war, nor can a president, only congress can. Part of what is happening here is a president that refuses to learn the basic rules of how his position in office should function. The president thinks he can do anything he wants, like start a war or circumvent the basic process of the rule of law. It was pretty obvious from his first month in office that he either didn't understand basic civics or he choose to ignore it. And as his term has wore on It's becoming painfully obvious that the president is mentally compromised. But the 25th amendment is designed more to deal with physical incapacitation of a President, not one that is mentally ill. That's probably why the cabinet didn't evoke it. Since the line of mental illness is a hard one to prove as anyone that has had to deal with a mentally ill relative can attest. I bet those in the WH recognized it sooner and have been trying to cover it up so has not to loose the advantage they have republican white house. I've also wondered if the reason he plays so much golf (as has been reported) is because is staff is encouraging him to get out of the office and otherwise occupied like giving an unruly tot a rattle. The chain of command is broken in the executive branch of our government, that much is sure. And it worries me that there is no transparency while the "hidden resistance" (is this the deep state?) runs things. They may think that are advancing the greater good, but at the cost of undermining the way things should operate. As long as "they" continue to allow his behavior, they enabled it providing and approval it. From Trumps first day in office I did not know why his twitter account wasn't commandeered in the name of national security. I expected all Tweets to be by committee from the White house team... not from an impetuous ranting individual. But he continues to Tweet, to what end? As a smoke screen for something else. either way its terribly broken.

^^^^


McGuzzy, I get what you are saying, and I actually see more gray on this than my post states. I’m glad smart people have avoided several disasters. This is an awful mess and there are no clear cut solutions.

Here is what a conservative never trumper wrote about this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/09/06/were-in-uncharted-waters-dont-be-too-quick-to-condemn-mr-anonymous/?utm_term=.a25cdbd257f3


mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Sep 6, 2018 - 05:07pm PT

That has always been such a huge load of simplistic bullsh#t.

Conservatives judges are every bit as activist as liberals.

Supreme Court rarely get easy cases, and all require complex judgments beyond determining the strike zone. Roberts spoke nonsense when he said that at his confirmation hearing.

I've been a lawyer now for 32 years. I think I've developed a fair understanding of how courts work.

Dirtbag's comment is plain english, succinct, and accurate.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 6, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
As if his nomination will not be nullified.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 6, 2018 - 05:45pm PT
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Sep 6, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 6, 2018 - 06:40pm PT
That is humor right there.

I am so befuddled by it may be treason if you disagree with him and state it anonymously,but ,you know ,liking Russia,is ,patriotic.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 6, 2018 - 07:05pm PT
Trump wants to waterboard the twelve apostles of the "The Too White House"

The Kav concurs - "let them eat cake and swallow dirty, snot filled water"

Nice color choice for the suit



https://metinbasoglu.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/waterboarding-is-severe-torture-research-findings/




I know Captain Queeg and Trump is no Captain (they don't let faker draft dodgers in the Navy) but I'm glad that Trump is now squeezing his balls.

ec

climber
ca
Sep 6, 2018 - 08:13pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Sep 7, 2018 - 01:01am PT
Kavanaugh was a top right wing soldier on the starr witchhunt of Clinton, which went on nonstop for 6 years and came up with NOTHING. Starr went on to preside as president of Baylor for 6 years, a period which included the most sexual assaults by a football team in NCAA history, forcing starr to resign.

Later, Kavanaugh now claims to have second thoughts and says the president (who is now a right wing quack) should be exempt from these investigations because they might interrupt his golf, or pussy grabbing, or twitting vile lies, or handing out special treats for his corrupt base, or denying reality, or cutting taxes for the rich, or stopping net neutrality, or stirring up new wars, or fawning towards putin, or other important roles like the space farce.

The right wing activist court has already made numerous poor decisions.

They already reversed precedent and thrown out the first half of the 2nd amendment; the part that says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"
Oddly, Kavanaugh felt free to discuss his opinion on gun control/rights, while on other issues declaring he really couldn't say much.

They also voted to take over the 2000 presidential election, deciding that democracy in Florida was a needless waste of time and an impediment to the corporate takeover of America.

There are a number of decisions that in the past the conservatives were the minority when swing vote Kennedy voted with the liberals. Those will change in the future with this president who lost the popular vote.
One example is the 5-4 finding that the EPA should regulate CO2 as a pollutant since under the clean air act, greenhouse gases may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare. That decision could easily be reversed with a more right wing crooked court.
Another is the likely loss of abortion rights, habeas corpus protections and protections against search & seizure.

Citizens United is an obvious activist vile decision creating a new type of superhuman: corporations now have constitutional rights. Hobby Lobby case was more quackery deciding that employers religious views are more important than employees right to medical care.

More: http://prospect.org/article/five-worst-roberts-court-rulings
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:55am PT

They already reversed precedent and thrown out the first half of the 2nd amendment; the part that says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"
Oddly, Kavanaugh felt free to discuss his opinion on gun control/rights, while on other issues declaring he really couldn't say much

Nice rant, gotta love the passion even if it's misguided.

But one question on the above quote: what precedent was reversed?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 7, 2018 - 07:00am PT
More importantly will Trump be exonerated from his crimes because he's not mentlly fit for public office and will kavanaugh be the swing vote for banning kneelings during the national anthem...?
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 07:44am PT
The Skull and Bones, Federalists, the Heritage boys...you know, the white Protestant men that run this country have cut a deal with Trump to offer protection for getting their boy Brett.

Lord know Trump repulses them but the thought of a Government by "the people" really scares the sh!t out of them.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 7, 2018 - 08:03am PT
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Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 08:18am PT
Wow, that song covers a lot of ground!

Add to the vocable lexicon of Trump;

Anonymish
a•non•y•mish
Noun- meaning unknown
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 08:21am PT


Here are some ways that Republican leadership under Trump is Socialist, Marxist and Communist:

 Autocratic leader is under the control of Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin
 Autocratic leader is an incompetent puppet who gained the office with the illegal assistance of Russia
 Legislators in power won't oppose the autocratic puppet; they're afraid of him
 GOP Senators met with Russian leaders in Moscow, to thank them for interfering in the 2016 election

 Command economy: puppet leader unilaterally imposes arbitrary taxes on imported goods; shortages and higher prices for consumers
 Command economy: puppet leader pays out billions in government welfare to loyal comrades; political opponents get nothing
 Command economy: increased military spending to intimidate other nations; education and health care spending is cut
 Command economy: puppet leader reduces taxes for wealthy loyalists; standard of living for most people declines

 Foreign policy is to antagonize western democracies, and embrace totalitarian dictatorships
 Foreign policy includes puppet leader wanting to invade other countries and assassinate foreign leaders
 Foreign policy is to disrupt and degrade western civilization, to bring it down to the dysfunctional level of Russia

 Puppet leader has a secretive administration
 Puppet leader tears up presidential documents that he is required, by law, to preserve
 Puppet leader has an official communication policy of denials, concealment and deception
 Puppet leader demonizes free and independent news sources; calls them "the enemy of the people"; wants to shut them down
 Puppet leader embraces fictional propaganda "news" sources that are loyal to himself
 Puppet leader and fictional propaganda channels create an echo chamber of lies, disinformation and deception
 Puppet leader states that reality does not exist, except as he decrees it to be

 Puppet leader demonizes Department of Justice, laws and the courts
 Puppet leader wants to stop prosecution of crimes committed by political loyalists
 Puppet leader wants to arbitrarily imprison political opponents
 Puppet leader abuses his power to pardon political allies
 Puppet leader destroys careers of political opponents
 Puppet leader demonizes an investigation into his secret connections to Putin and the Kremlin; wants to shut it down
 Puppet leader wants to enact new laws to make it illegal to print books about his administration
 Puppet leader wants protesting and public dissent to be illegal

 Puppet leader's loyal comrades loot the treasury, conduct insider trading and commit other financial crimes
 Puppet leader's hotel hosts foreign leaders seeking to curry favor
 Puppet leader acknowledges no separation between his financial interests and the presidency

 Puppet leader orders the end of environmental protection laws
 Puppet leader gives control of protected public lands to loyal private interests
 Puppet leader wants the country to be reliant on near-obsolete, 100-year old energy technology

 Puppet leader treats people as fungible commodities; children stolen and sold for adoption
 Puppet leader wants to build a Berlin Wall patrolled by armed guards and weaponized drones

 Puppet leader wants to install an official state religion; all others forbidden from entering country
 Puppet leader wants to ethnically cleanse the country of non-white immigrants

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 7, 2018 - 08:59am PT
blah:
Yes, Kavanaugh should make an excellent Justice.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm just hoping it's possible that he turns into a "turncoat" and not another corporate stooge.

This might be a good time to post a reminder of why Trump won.
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Trouble is brewing. Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 09:38am PT
I'm just hoping it's possible that he turns into a "turncoat" and not another corporate stooge.


How'd that pipe dream work out for you, when Bush appointed John Roberts?

They're worse than they appear during confirmation hearings. They intentionally present themselves as being reasonable, in order to fraudulently gain public trust and acceptance. Then, they revert to what they really are: puppets of corporations and rich people.

Trump didn't pick Kavanaugh. Trump is clueless. Kavanaugh was picked for Trump.


If recent history is any guide to the future, the Supreme Court will allow corporations to vote in political elections: one vote for every share of stock.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 7, 2018 - 10:05am PT
If recent history is any guide to the future, the Supreme Court will allow corporations to vote in political elections: one vote for every share of stock.

Hmm, I think the right analogy would be one vote for every dollar of income tax paid (by any "person," which could be a human being or other legal entity). An interesting idea . . .

As to Roberts, I know some of the posters here don't like his "balls and strikes" analogy (which admittedly is a bit simplistic, but it's an attempt to explain a general concept in an easy-to-understand soundbite).
But all in all I'd think most people would say he's a very good chief justice, even if you don't love they way he typically votes.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Sep 7, 2018 - 10:22am PT
amen to brother barry in the pulpit
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 10:56am PT
I know these threads are mostly venting and bashing, but here is a serious and remarkably damning article about the potential new Supreme Court Justice (Kavanaugh):
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/judge-brett-kavanaugh-should-be-impeached-for-lying-during-his-confirmation-hearings.html

Black and white evidence of lying under oath to obtain his bench in federal court, the same offense for which he was leading efforts to get Clinton impeached. Aside from the public statements of this article by a person directly involved in the incident, there should be written corroboratory evidence with the recent email releases directly conflicting his earlier statements under oath.

#MAGA
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:07am PT
Couch,
just because you found that some other lawyer supports him, doesn't change the fact that Kavanaugh was completely investigated, scrutinized, litmus tested, and chosen in private by the right wing elitist cabal. Anyone who voluntarily worked for years for ken starr's witchhunt will not be a fair justice. These hearings are just for show. The wishes of the majority of this country will be ignored
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:09am PT
but when there's a vacancy to be appointed by Republican president and senate, what would anyone expect?

Well, I would expect Mitch McConnell to take into account the fact that the president may be within a year of being impeached/resigning. Therefore, the senate should conduct no confirmation hearings until after voters get a chance to weigh in by electing a new president.

Seems reasonable, doesn't it?
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:14am PT
NutAgain,
Great article!

Lock him up! (Kavanaugh)
Lituya

Mountain climber
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:14am PT
Elections have consequences. You all should have nominated Uncle Joe.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:18am PT
Treason was committed in Helsinki


I've got a plan though vote for the pussy grabber 'n thiefalways squared up, riding high on the wave just under the crest, just about tube'd, tucked in the sweet spot,letting the roll flow, going with it





the way I surf life

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 7, 2018 - 11:53am PT
Elections have consequences. You all should have nominated Uncle Joe.

Trump won by giving lip service to the middle and working classes. Sanders actually cares, that's the difference.

The torches and pitchforks are coming. Don't take my word for it.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 7, 2018 - 12:09pm PT
Trump won

That's what matters.

As the sitting President, he has the authority to nominate judicial candidates. Brett Kavanaugh will be the next Supreme Court Justice.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 7, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
Well, I would expect Mitch McConnell to take into account the fact that the president may be within a year of being impeached/resigning. Therefore, the senate should conduct no confirmation hearings until after voters get a chance to weigh in by electing a new president.

Seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Sorry, no.
Even if Trump were to be impeached, it's not as if there would be another election before 2020, Mike Pence would simply ascend to the presidency.
The reason for McConnell's delaying action after the untimely demise of Scalia was that the American people would soon be able to make their voices heard in a presidential election. That won't happen before 2020 under any circumstances, so no reason dilly dally now, need to move this along promptly so Kav can get up up to speed and to work.

Anyway, even if you don't like Kav, you should appreciate that we're going to enter an era where we have something like a Dream Team on SCOTUS with Kav, Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas and Roberts. Even if you don't like them, you just gotta sit back and acknowledge that you're going to see something special.

Or with another basketball analogy, it's gonna be like the Globetrotters versus the Generals with poor ol' Ginsburg etc. coming up short every night--not really competitive but good for some laughs :)
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 12:29pm PT
I'm glad to see Ed T, Lituya and Blah sticking it under trying circumstances. A thread like this gives us all an opportunity to debate politically charged topics in a semi anonymish environment while remaining physically benign.

The "I know where you live" guys are mostly gone.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
George Papadopoulos, will be sentenced by a Federal Judge this afternoon. He is a former Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, and the first Trump staffer to be sentenced. Most, or all, of the other seven Trump convictees are still cooperating with Mueller's ongoing investigation into Russian interference, and Trump's non-stop efforts to obstruct justice.

Papadopoulos is begging for leniency, claiming that he was an incompetent bumbler who had no business acting as a conduit between the Kremlin and Trump.

Papadopoulos arranged the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents. The purpose of the meeting was to illegally obtain "dirt" on Clinton to assist the Trump campaign.

Papadopoulos' Russian handler was an agent in London named Joseph Misfud. He notified Papadopoulos of the Kremlin's "dirt" on Clinton, and the thousands of emails that the GRU hacked from the DNC server. Misfud told Papadopoulos that the Kremlin was anxious assist in getting Trump elected.

Papadopoulos' wife, whom he met on LinkedIn during the 2016 election, worked for Misfud in London. She claims she is not the link between Misfud and Papadopoulos. She also claims "no collusion, no crime", and that she is not a spy.



Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 01:56pm PT
George Papadopoulos, will be sentenced by a Federal Judge this afternoon. He is a former Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, and the first Trump staffer to be sentenced for crimes related to the 2016 election. Most, or all, of the other seven Trump convictees are still cooperating with Mueller's ongoing investigation into Russian interference, and Trump's non-stop efforts to obstruct justice.


Papadopoulos is begging for leniency, claiming that he was an incompetent bumbler who had no business acting as a conduit between the Kremlin and Trump.

Papadopoulos arranged the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents. The purpose of the meeting was to illegally obtain "dirt" on Clinton to assist the Trump campaign.

Papadopoulos' handler was a Russian agent in London named Joseph Misfud. He notified Papadopoulos that the Kremlin wanted to share hacked DNC emails and "dirt" on Clinton. Misfud told Papadopoulos that the Kremlin wanted to illegally assist the Trump campaign.

Papadopoulos' wife, whom he met on LinkedIn during the 2016 election, worked for the Russian agent Misfud in London. She claims she did not connect Misfud to Papadopoulos. She also claims "no collusion, no crime", and that she is not a spy or Russian agent.



EDIT:

The judge gave him 14 days in prison and one year of supervised release.

Judge Randolph D. Moss said the sentence could have been higher but he sensed “genuine remorse” from Papadopolous. He said there’s no evidence Papadopolous had “any desire to aid Russia in any way.” However, by lying to the FBI, he placed “self interest over the national interest.”


Yeah, that's right. Papadopoulos never had any desire to aid Russia in any way. The desire was for the Russians to aid Trump.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 02:14pm PT
I believe it's pronounced Papadopoulish.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 7, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
plus 200 hours community service and a $9500 fine
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 7, 2018 - 02:34pm PT
Although I agree that Trump will probably get Kavanaugh in place I think it's ridiculous to claim there is some arbitrary "soon" cut off for when the senate won't vote on a nominee.

The Garland nomination remained before the Senate for 293 days. There was about 1/5 of Obama's term left.

Of course the reason to delay Kavanaugh's vote now is that if Dems take control of the senate they can hold up Kavanaugh like the reps did for Garland. That will be 1/2 way thru Trumps term. So shouldn't we also allow the public to have a say on the nomination with their vote? If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander, right?

But of course like Kavanaugh changing his rules for Clinton vs. Trump being subpoenaed, politicians and partisans will change their story to say what is fair is what benefits their side at that time.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 7, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
Of course the reason to delay Kavanaugh's vote now is that if Dems take control of the senate they can hold up Kavanaugh like the reps did for Garland. That will be 1/2 way thru Trumps term. So shouldn't we also allow the public to have a say on the nomination with their vote? If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander, right?

No you've got it flipped around, the "Biden Rule" (named after, duh, Joe Biden) is that the president can't nominate for the Supreme Court near the end of his term (I believe the precise contours of the rule aren't yet well defined, and perhaps the Repubs were a little aggressive with its application re: Garland, but that was just a one time thing, doesn't really establish a precedent).
There's no corresponding rule regarding mid-term elections, at least that I'm familiar with.

At a very superficial level I suppose they could be equated, but we have to have some sort of boundaries, you can't be having rules that prevent appointing justices just because a mid-term election is coming up or the pres is it in a little hot water with a special counsel, otherwise nothing would ever get done.

If Mueller's really got Trump then he needs to show his hand and then perhaps we could have a new rule, but very premature at this stage.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 7, 2018 - 03:40pm PT
Starting to resist this DB is the best thing Obama could be doing ,pointing out what a shitshow this presidency is.

Elections have consequences.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/obama-trump-speech-720592/
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 05:03pm PT
David Brock- I knew Brett Kavanaugh during his years as a Republican operative. Don't let him sit on the Supreme Court.
We were part of a close circle of cynical hard-right operatives being groomed for much bigger things.
Sep.07.2018 / 5:25 PM ET


David Brock is the author of five political books, including "Killing the Messenger" (Hachette, 2015) and "Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative" (Crown, March 2002). He founded Media Matters for America in 2004 and then American Bridge 21st Century in 2011.

I used to know Brett Kavanaugh pretty well. And, when I think of Brett now, in the midst of his hearings for a lifetime appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court, all I can think of is the old "Aesop's Fables" adage: "A man is known by the company he keeps."

And that's why I want to tell any senator who cares about our democracy: Vote no.


Twenty years ago, when I was a conservative movement stalwart, I got to know Brett Kavanaugh both professionally and personally.


Brett actually makes a cameo appearance in my memoir of my time in the GOP, "Blinded By The Right." I describe him at a party full of zealous young conservatives gathered to watch President Bill Clinton's 1998 State of the Union address — just weeks after the story of his affair with a White House intern had broken. When the TV camera panned to Hillary Clinton, I saw Brett — at the time a key lieutenant of Ken Starr, the independent counsel investigating various Clinton scandals — mouth the word "bitch."

But there's a lot more to know about Kavanaugh than just his Pavlovian response to Hillary's image. Brett and I were part of a close circle of cold, cynical and ambitious hard-right operatives being groomed by GOP elders for much bigger roles in politics, government and media. And it’s those controversial associations that should give members of the Senate and the American public serious pause.

http://flip.it/gJmLR4
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 7, 2018 - 05:26pm PT
No you've got it flipped around, the "Biden Rule" (named after, duh, Joe Biden) is that the president can't nominate for the Supreme Court near the end of his term (I believe the precise contours of the rule aren't yet well defined, and perhaps the Repubs were a little aggressive with its application re: Garland, but that was just a one time thing, doesn't really establish a precedent).
There's no corresponding rule regarding mid-term elections, at least that I'm familiar with.

That's not a real rule. Republicans came up with the term from a Biden speech where he said that *if* Bush should be in that position, he shouldn't appoint someone during the summer or should appoint a moderate. Obama did appoint a moderate (though I guess people can argue about that). And Biden said summer, Obama's was much earlier in winter. So "soon" went from 3-5 months out, to almost 10 months out. So why not 2 years out until the next presidential election? I'm being facetious, but really when they push the limits like this it just increases animosity and partisanship.

And of course this "rule" only applies when the opposition party is in charge of congress. They'd vote in a justice on the last day of a president in their own party's term.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 7, 2018 - 05:41pm PT


New Thread Rule

Make "them", the ones who proudly voted to put Donald Trump in the WH, answer questions

No more allowing them to come on and post their half arsed quasi opinion defenses

Challenge them every time they pop up

 Why did you vote for him when you knew he declared business bankruptcy four times?

 he inherited ten of millions from his father Fred, he is the farthest from "successful businessman" you can get

 Why did you vote for him when you knew he had been sued by the Federal Government not once but twice but refusing to rent his NYC apartments to black Americans?

 Why did you vote for him when you knew he dodged the draft with four deferments including "bone spurs" in his foot yet he played college sports

 why did you tolerate his Fake Patriotism knowing he refused to serve when called?

 why did you vote for him when you heard his vulgar pussy grabbing on the Access Hollywood tape?

-Why did you vote for him when he was a very well vetted, documented "liar" on record for decades?

 I am just getting warmed up, feel free to add to this list, demand they defend their votes

 ask them why they are not now calling for his removal from office with all the more lying trash coming out daily about him

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 05:50pm PT
White House has digital team alter official photos of inauguration

The doctored photos continued to show a much smaller crowd than at Obama's inauguration. To fix the doctored photos problem, the White House resorted to Orwellian Deception and "alternative facts".


Even when they engage in plain-vanilla fraud and deceit, like photoshopping a few pictures, Trump and his staff are incompetent bunglers.






Does anyone here remember a sitting president spending so much time campaigning? Trump has been running for re-election from his first days in office (he actually filed about that time).

And, he's off every second or third week to his rallies, ostensibly to promote GOP candidates who are in trouble.

Trump spends a great deal of time trying to retain his hold on power. Who is actually getting anything done at the White House? Mister Op-Ed?

It's just one more way that Trump demonstrates that he is a dysfunctional, incompetent, illegitimate president who should be removed from office as soon as possible.



Oh, Mueller. Oh, Mueller. Why hath thou foresaken us?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 7, 2018 - 05:53pm PT
Daily.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
What kind of presidential candidate comes to the media two nights before the election and says "if I don't win, this will be a huge waste of my time." Seriously. What an idiot. He still has his flock of sheeple though. Sad and frustrating.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:16pm PT
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA

Sep 7, 2018 - 01:56pm PT
George Papadopoulos, will be sentenced by a Federal Judge this afternoon. He is a former Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, and the first Trump staffer to be sentenced for crimes related to the 2016 election. Most, or all, of the other seven Trump convictees are still cooperating with Mueller's ongoing investigation into Russian interference, and Trump's non-stop efforts to obstruct justice.


Papadopoulos is begging for leniency, claiming that he was an incompetent bumbler who had no business acting as a conduit between the Kremlin and Trump.

Papadopoulos arranged the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents. The purpose of the meeting was to illegally obtain "dirt" on Clinton to assist the Trump campaign.

Papadopoulos' handler was a Russian agent in London named Joseph Misfud. He notified Papadopoulos that the Kremlin wanted to share hacked DNC emails and "dirt" on Clinton. Misfud told Papadopoulos that the Kremlin wanted to illegally assist the Trump campaign.

Papadopoulos' wife, whom he met on LinkedIn during the 2016 election, worked for the Russian agent Misfud in London. She claims she did not connect Misfud to Papadopoulos. She also claims "no collusion, no crime", and that she is not a spy or Russian agent.

It all sounds so conspiratorial. He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. That's it. He wasn't convicted for trying to "illegally obtain "dirt" on Clinton". He wasn't charged for anything involving Trump's campaign.

Norton

Sep 7, 2018 - 05:41pm PT

New Thread Rule....

Sorry Mr Wannabe Thread Nazi.

That dog don't hunt.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
Impeach




or The Kav

Send The Donkey to Afghanistan





wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:22pm PT
If you lied to the FBI, about anything,do you think you would only get 14 days ......
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
If you lied to the FBI, about anything,do you think you would only get 14 days

Martha did 5 months in the joint and 5 months confined to her house.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
Well, if you are The Kav and you lie to the Senate, you get a federal judgeship. Et tu, Butthead.

One more in a ship of fools.




the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
Why did you vote for him when

Her emails!!!


I'm more interested in the future. *if** Muller's report has good evidence Trump conspired with Russians in illegal activity (hacking and releasing emails) will they admit he did it and it was wrong?

And I would hope, but won't hold my breath, will they admit they swallowed their honor to vote for Trump knowing how dishonest and unqualified he was just because he was the Republican/fake conservative? Will they learn from this and try to be more objective?

As I've said in the past, I don't typically vote for the dem or rep because I think they are typically both dishonest, and corrupt, the 2 party system is not true democracy, and the same special interests pay off both parties, but as much as I didn't like Hillary I voted for a dem for the first time in a long time because there was so much evidence that Trump is an hateful, corrupt, buffoon (much of it coming directly out of his mouth so the excuse that it's "mainstream media" fake news is just that an excuse). I've realized the guy is mentally ill and not fit to be president since long before the election.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
typical Christian
just another motherf*#ker who lives for hurting other people whenever he can and as badly as possible

That's a lame statement. I know plenty of Christians and most of them are wonderful people.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:59pm PT
I know some really solid christians and christians i wouldn't throw a life preserver to...
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Sep 7, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
^^ I was coming down the grade a year or so ago and asked my aunt why she supported Trump.Exact words from her "I'm a christian, I have to."
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired