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Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 09:59am PT
It is becoming more difficult for the congress members to vote Yes, as the story unfolds. They have to chose whether getting Kavanaugh on the bench now is more important than risking the wrath of their voters in less than two months.

They have to weight the possibility that more comes out later, after they've voted yes, and now they have made the wrong choice. As public servants, we supposedly CHOOSE them because we expect them to use good judgement.

I know that if they don't get Kavanaugh in before the midterms, they fear they lose their chance at getting a conservative SCOTUS appointed, but at what expense? Most people think about their own interest first - no MATTER they say the country is their first loyalty.

A "Yes" for Kavanaugh is adding a pretty heavy weight on the scale, when they are wondering how they will do when it's time to vote in November.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:00am PT
After they elected Trump in the face of the Access Hollywood tape?

The mechanisms for getting POTUS in place are not the same as we have for Congress voting on a SCOTUS nominee.

Trump

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:01am PT
We can maybe get some idea of how these issues will affect voters in November by looking at how they affected voters in 2016? That answer seems to be “not the way I wanted them to”. I hope it works out differently this time around.

Agreed - the SCOTUS nominee gets confirmed by the Senate which is a population of 51% highly partisan Republicans, whereas the POTUS gets elected by a population that is 26% Republican, 44% Independent, and 27% Democratic.

And that second population elected a misogynistic president so that he would be able to appoint conservative judges. I’m not sure how fussed they’re going to be that the SCOTUS nominee is also misogynistic, like the president that they elected. And that second population is also the population that elects the Senate.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:13am PT
The Senate Judiciary panel is scheduled to create a thumbs up/down recommendation on Friday morning...Grassley says that's a Senate procedural requirement (uh-huh).

From there, it goes to the Senate as a whole- McConnell can bring it to the floor regardless of what the Judiciary panel's recommendation is.

If Ford's testimony tomorrow comes off poorly, it'll prolly go quickly, with a final vote over the weekend. If it goes well, or more accounts come forward (i.e. Avenatti's), the final vote could be delayed.

In any case, it's going to come down to the votes of Collins, Murkowski and Flake.
Trump

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:31am PT
We can analyze it in a way that confirms our self-perception of rationality by basing our arguments on the norms that favor our preferred solution - that the FBI has done investigations in the past, that this isn’t the way job interviews have been done in the past, or whatever - but which comes first, our (conservative, backwards-looking) norm-based arguments, or our preferred solution?

For myself, I don’t remember believing Bill Clinton’s accusers, but I probably should have. For me, that’s a new norm that I try to consider when evaluating my own reasoning, and when creating expectations about what others’ reasoning will be.

And for better or worse (but definitely for worse), President Trump is now a new norm.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:32am PT
I don't think the new allegations and Avenetti angle will help the anti-Kav movement -- seems like completely unsubstantiated nonsense from attention seeking loons looking for their 15 mins of fame.

But maybe a little pause to investigate this stuff would be a good idea. The new accuser has made some fairly specific allegations about Kav's behavior in high school. I'd like to see if there's any evidence at all that she knew him (he claims he has no idea who she is) or they ran in the same circles.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:40am PT
Kav’s behavior in prep school and college is in the past, his lying about it is in the present. The presidency has a serial liar, the judiciary needs truthful people to check him.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:44am PT
Deborah Ramirez is a rock climber.

https://hanfordsentinel.com/news/national/kavanaugh-s-nd-accuser-never-sought-spotlight-friends-say/article_88465f1a-ac8d-54b7-8b3c-a3c1cf65d2c5.html

Ramirez now works as a senior volunteer coordinator in Boulder County's housing agency, but she has stayed connected to Safehouse as a member of its board.

She also began to voice her thoughts on gender equality publicly, writing a letter to the editor of the Boulder paper in 2014 denouncing a T-shirt for a running race that said "Sea Level is for Sissies." She said she gets hurt, shows her emotions and is a "strong, tough" woman who rock climbs. She said she would "never wear a t-shirt that does not value these traits in all genders."

She met her husband, a technology consultant, through a friend at the Safehouse, Hardin said. The couple lives in a small house in a late 1970s-era development in Boulder dotted with aspen trees and sunflowers, where black bears and mountain lions sometimes visit.

Neighbors, who did not want their names used, described Ramirez as an avid outdoors woman, and said she was a grounded, honest person driven by the urge to help others.

Behind Ramirez's home there's a walking trail and a park, and a vista of a legendary rock-climbing destination beloved by residents of the athletic, liberal college town.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 11:16am PT

For all of Avenatti's self-aggrandizement, on some level, you gotta appreciate a guy who gives it right back to a lowlife like Trump.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 26, 2018 - 11:25am PT
the GOP is showing us its entirely willing to lose the house senate and presidency just to put this one goon on this court

You may be right. But as things stand now, I think any GOP Senators that vote against this goon would lose their next primary.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 11:46am PT
Actually, I'd say it's more like...

"the GOP is showing us it knows it will lose the house senate and presidency if they don't put this one goon on this court"

The GOP knows that if this fails, their base will be enraged- that might result in Republican votes in droves, or total disenchantment and they stay home. Getting Kavanaugh in is probably seen as the safer bet for control of the Senate & WH.
WBraun

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 11:53am PT
As a Judge Kavanaugh is a criminal.

He's a bought and sold judge.

He's corrupt as hell ......
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 26, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
*United Nations Diplomats Confirm They Were Laughing at Trump During His Ridiculous Speech


“Sometimes, when we see a behavior or listen to arguments or notions that seem so far-fetched, unreasonable, or insane, there is almost natural reaction of laughing,” one Latin American diplomat said, speaking off the record so he could speak freely.

The diplomat added, “It is not laughing at a good joke, but a nervous laugh, or a bad joke turned laughable precisely because the guy who tells the joke doesn't realize how bad it is.”

as he did it in the Trumpian way (bragging ridiculously about being one of the best administrations in history) people in the audience reacted how they reacted.”
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Sep 26, 2018 - 12:29pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 26, 2018 - 12:37pm PT

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/26/trump-un-foreign-policy-843110
dirtbag

climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 01:27pm PT
Save democracy: vote from Democrats for congress in November.

That’s precisely why those who have been lifelong Republicans — such as Bill Kristol, Michael Gerson, Tom Nichols, Joe Scarborough and Max Boot — are actively pushing Republicans to vote for Democrats this year. They understand that policy should divide us; democratic principles should not.

But if Republicans retain control of both houses of Congress, they will double down. Trumpism could be cemented into American politics for a generation, posing an existential threat to democracy itself. Republicans will receive the message that embracing Trump’s authoritarian streak is the surest path to victory. The feeble rhetorical resistance of Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) will be replaced by, at best, a deafening silence and, at worst, a full-throated battle cry for Trumpism. He will get away with more. He could be reelected in 2020, and his Republican successor would likely follow his authoritarian-style playbook.

Think about it this way: Criminals aren’t at their most dangerous in their first foray into crime. They are most dangerous after they have committed crimes and gotten away with it. Impunity is a drug that causes us to test the limits. Similarly, if Trump and Republicans get away with the past 20 months, they will be emboldened to behave much worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/09/26/a-reminder-americas-future-is-at-stake-in-the-2018-midterms/?utm_term=.9d87eedf7f43
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
Looks like Donald Trump has decided to show Kavanaugh how it's done(defending oneself against allegations of sexual assault).
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Sep 26, 2018 - 02:13pm PT
Looks like Donald Trump has decided to show Kavanaugh how it's done(defending oneself against allegations of sexual assault).


Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 26, 2018 - 02:21pm PT
Newsflash!

Bill Clinton has been out of office for 18 years now.

No one cares about his morality anymore.

Except embarrassed Republican voters trying so hard to deflect attention away from their own sleazy President and his court nominee.

Bill Clinton? really? Defend your own people, Bill is so yesterday.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 26, 2018 - 03:07pm PT
tRump News Conference...

The president of the United States is a babbling, illiterate braggart with no command of any subject except how “great” Donald tRump is.

Case in point - “Most women are really angry that Kavanaugh is being treated so unfairly”.

WTF? tRump said no one will want to be on the SCOTUS because of something they “said” (Freudian Slip) years ago. K-man is not in trouble for something he “said”. The rape of reality continues with the GOP lining up at the door to take a turn.
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