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Norton

Social climber
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:54am PT
Sanders was unelectable to the Presidency

why you may ask?

because he was never taken seriously and thus never vetted

why waste hundred of millions of dollars telling America about the quasi Communist organizations he belonged to, why bother reminding the voters what a "socialist" is think Hitler
go ahead, read his wiki page

please, Bernie was/is a lovable old guy who speaks as a broken record for the past 40 years
just make sure every sentence has the words = top 1%, rich, big banks

a couple months ago he was chosen to represent the Democrats on a healthcare forum,
it was obvious he had never read the ACA, just like his forum partner Eliz Warren
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:55am PT
Think VP, Norton. Try to focus on the current conversation.
Norton

Social climber
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:57am PT
and another naive Bernie person cries out
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:00am PT
Sure, 45% of the electable delegates and huge rallies dwarfing Hillary's. Yeh, that would have made no difference in a razor tight race.

Whatever Norton.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:19am PT
Nothing matters except Hillary was on the ballot. However unpalatable that was the choice: trump or Hillary. Period. Again, you either voted for Hillary or you elected trump.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:21am PT
Funny how you guys blame nearly half the dem primary voters but would not make any concessions to them.

Fools, but at least the Clinton dynasty is over.

Or is it?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:41am PT
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2017 - 10:51am PT
Can't change history, but can try to learn from it. Aside from parties and candidates, what do you actually want? If more people were able to precisely articulate what policies they do want instead of focusing on the shortcomings of other parties or individuals, our democracy would be richer for it.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:57am PT
man o man, the HRC-ites are out in force. What about those that supported other candidates, but swallowed the bile and implicitly endorsed the DNP's f*#kery in the primaries to vote for an unelectably self-determined female, widely reviled candidate?

what for those of us that will not be voting Jackass again in the future?






Nevermind, Bodhi Chaco has the right idea: green grass, blue sky, forget humanity. Mostly.


dirtbag

climber
Jun 5, 2017 - 11:04am PT
Agreed...but Hillary should probably also stop ruminating publicly about her loss.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 5, 2017 - 11:07am PT
Can't change history, but can try to learn from it. Aside from parties and candidates, what do you actually want? If more people were able to precisely articulate what policies they do want instead of focusing on the shortcomings of other parties or individuals, our democracy would be richer for it.


Good post Nut.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jun 5, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
Locker
You forgot INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!!!!!

Oh, that's right, it's INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK
for Drump, oops, I mean dump. . . oops, I mean . . . well, you know who I mean.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:28pm PT
I think we can find common ground that hillarys time is done

Well, hopefully. She'll be 74 next time around, but the woman is tenacious and seems to have a feeling of entitlement. Both the Clintons have carried victimization to stratospheric heights. It's never their fault.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
UK Guardian:


Trump appeared to have picked up on conservative commentary on Monday morning, noting that the London embassy had not had a full ambassador since January. On Twitter, he blamed Democrats in Congress for slowing the process.

“Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including ambassadors. They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS! Want approvals,” he tweeted.

However, although Trump announced on 19 January he had picked Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets, to be the ambassador to the UK, Johnson has yet to be formally nominated to the Senate for confirmation.

So far, the Trump White House has made only 11 nominations for 188 ambassadorial posts. The state department is operating without much of its senior management because of a lack of nominations.

Once nominations are made, the Democrats would not be able to block them on their own; the Republicans have a slight majority, which is usually enough to confirm appointments.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 5, 2017 - 09:59pm PT
to vote for an unelectably self-determined female, widely reviled candidate?

Ah, you must not have heard: She got more that 3 million more votes than Donald Trump. I wouldn't call that "unelectable".

Widely reviled? Only because of the success of the GOP propaganda machine, punching out all sorts of "alt-facts".
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:01pm PT
Well, hopefully. She'll be 74 next time around, but the woman is tenacious and seems to have a feeling of entitlement. Both the Clintons have carried victimization to stratospheric heights. It's never their fault.

Sort of like Professors who have given decades of service, and feel entitled to a pension on the public's dime.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
One more inaccuracy. Although it's a public employee's fund, we paid a lot of money into it over the years, with the state chipping in as well. Most of that goes back into circulation in the state. It's a very good system, and I do not feel victimized like HRC, who you clearly adore.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
Ken M wrote: "HA! 75% of 18-29's DID NOT VOTE. They thought there was no difference between the two candidates."

where did you get your "facts"? assuming, given your comment about there being no difference between the two candidates, that you are talking about the presidential election, the brookings institute pegged the 18-29 y.o. vote at 50% turnout... the second highest in the last five election cycles. and hillary won the 18-29 y.o. vote 55% vs 39% [to trump].


and healyje wrote: "And now that they've cluelessly f*#ked themselves with a right-wing SCOTUS majority for the next thirty years one can only hope that sometime before 2020 they will mature and WAKE THE F*#K UP!!!"

first: see actual facts as per above...

second: i see you are likely going to continue repeating the same broken recording for the next three and a half years and continue your contribution towards getting either the old or the new trump elected next round as well. [just like hillary is doing with her "excuse tour" and the dem party is doing with their "blame russia" tour]

the dem party needs new vision and new leadership.... period

not the same ole fear based rhetoric that your argument is predicated on.

if all you've got is "the other side is shittier"...

you already lost.



[one last aside: same reason why the "war on terror" is such a fUck show as well...]
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:36pm PT
Great, I drew you out. You'd stated about 75% of them voting, then you cited 50%----which means you knew you were stating a wrong figure, for your own "alt-purposes".

Gotcha.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 5, 2017 - 10:38pm PT
One more inaccuracy. Although it's a public employee's fund, we paid a lot of money into it over the years, with the state chipping in as well. Most of that goes back into circulation in the state. It's a very good system, and I do not feel victimized like HRC, who you clearly adore.


More "concrete thinking" (look that up!).

You totally miss (or more likely, ignore) the point, which is, you work for decades, with an expectation that you have earned something, but you totally reject EXACTLY the same reasoning on the part of Clinton.

Why am I not surprised? You got yours, f*#k everybody else.
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