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xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 29, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
In a 30-minute interview, President Trump made 24 false or misleading claims

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/in-a-30-minute-interview-president-trump-made-24-false-or-misleading-claims/ar-BBHuIgy?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 29, 2017 - 07:36pm PT

I don't know if this will work, as I pulled it off FBook, but it's good for a giggle. Unless, that is, you're still holding on the the DT idea for dear life. Then...probably not so funny.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 29, 2017 - 08:27pm PT
The terms “post-truth” and “fake news” have become increasingly prevalent in public discourse over the last year. This article explores the growing abundance of misinformation, how it influences people, and how to counter it.

http://opiniontoday.com/2017/10/16/beyond-misinformation-understanding-and-coping-with-the-post-truth-era/

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/Publications/Lewandowsky.2017.JARMAC.pdf
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 29, 2017 - 08:28pm PT
For some reason, my Screenshot thing isn't working, so bear with me(and if someone cares to make shots and post, that would be cool).

So here's Dear Leader's most recent post(as of this moment)


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Many reports of peaceful protests by Iranian citizens fed up with regime’s corruption & its squandering of the nation’s wealth to fund terrorism abroad. Iranian govt should respect their people’s rights, including right to express themselves. The world is watching! #IranProtests
10:42 PM - 29 Dec 2017


5,448 replies 6,896 retweets 21,759 likes



Buuuuuut.....

This is the post Saran Sanders, Press Secretary made 3 hours ago.


Sarah Sanders‏Verified account @PressSec

Reports of peaceful protests by Iranian citizens fed up with the regime’s corruption and its squandering of the nation’s wealth to fund terrorism abroad. The Iranian government should respect their people’s rights including their right to express themselves. The world is watching
7:52 PM - 29 Dec 2017

2,315 replies 5,889 retweets 16,584 likes

Can Trump supporters REALLY actually believe that it is normal and acceptable that the president, who supposedly is very proud of his speaking directly to his public via Twitter, and who DOES seem to understand how the ReTweet function works, copied his PS's post, changed the 1st words in each sentence and added a hashtag, and put it off as his own?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 29, 2017 - 08:40pm PT
In a word, Happi,


YES
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 29, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
It is his own ... because 5 minutes after posting, he forgot where he saw it first.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Dec 30, 2017 - 10:24am PT
24 false or misleading claims in a 30 minute interview. DON'T GASLIGHT ME DUDE!
TLP

climber
Dec 30, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
Iranian govt should respect their people’s rights, including right to express themselves.

...though interestingly he doesn't think it's OK for US citizens to do the same if they happen to be football players.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 30, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
you forget WERE sponsoring the Iranian protestors

when their actually organizing for the general welfare like in Honduras just now they get nothing but the stick and blind eye...
dirtbag

climber
Jan 12, 2018 - 08:57am PT
The most pressing issue is still the president’s fitness for office, highlighted again by this week’s racist and erratic behavior. Yet...we are likely stuck with him for three more years.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/no-exit/550391/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 12, 2018 - 10:05am PT
Dirt, with all due respect, while the President’s propensity for self-parody is embarrassing
it doesn’t necessarily affect the meaningful issues. One of those, which seems to be flying
under the sh!thole radar currently, is the future of Social Security. I received a pre-publication
copy of Peter Diamond’s* latest paper. I can’t divulge anything but STAY TUNED cause this
IS important.

*The Nobel doyen of SS
dirtbag

climber
Jan 12, 2018 - 12:04pm PT
Dirt, with all due respect, while the President’s propensity for self-parody is embarrassing
it doesn’t necessarily affect the meaningful issues.

If we had a normal president, this would be true.

But all of the president’s many defects have already greatly affected domestic and foreign policy, in addition to damaging or destroying long established democratic norms of conduct.

I shudder to think how he will react when the sh#t (whatever the sh#t may be) hits the fan.

Trump’s character and fitness are the number one issues for the next theee years, at least.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 12, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
Trump’s character and fitness are the number one issues for the next theee years, at least.

Not necessarily. I would say there is more than a 10% chance that Trump does not serve all of first term.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 12, 2018 - 12:35pm PT
I shudder to think how he will react when the sh#t (whatever the sh#t may be) hits the fan.

On the one hand, I don't really expect the Trump administration to launch a military attack on NK, but if Trump fires Mueller, and needs a major distraction, can you really rule it out?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
Trump can't spell North Korea let alone find it on a map...But he's very stable...
WBraun

climber
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
Oh for fuks sake!!!

You people are insane as Trump .....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
I would think that the Republican party would love to get rid of Trump to avoid a bloodbath during the mid-term elections. He has caused numerous congressmen to resign. Most notable is Darrel Issa. I would love to see Trump survive long enough to destroy the Republican party

Issa was subjected to to the largest weekly protest in the country. Every Tuesday between 300 and 600 protesters would meet outside his office. he tried all sorts of ways to stop it. he tried to get the the city to revoke the permit, got deputies to ticket cars for every imaginable violation (think wheels not turned in on hill sort of thing) and even tried to rally counter-protesters. Now that he is retiring from the 49th district rumor is he is going after corrupt Duncan hunters seat in the 50th district, the protesters have promised to follow him there.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
Trump is terrible; Pence would be worse. Trump's behaviour is unacceptable, and distracts people from the damage that he and his enablers are doing, largely out of sight. These are the people who want to shrink the government, so they can drown it in a bathtub. But Trump is still less effective at doing so than would be Pence, who is ideologically far to the right.

Unfit though he is, it's in everyone's interests that Trump remain in office, preferably as a lame duck, until at least the election later this year. Overall, it will lead to less damage.

Mueller seems likely to recommend charges against at least some of Trump's inner circle/relatives, whether for perjury, income tax evasion, money laundering, obstruction of justice, or treason. The Republicans, putting party ahead of country (unlike in 1974), will do as little as they can to bring Trump to justice, or put a leash on him. (Whether there are any viable charges against Pence being an interesting question.) Although many Republican politicians are increasingly seeing Trump as a liability.

The November election will change things, if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress. Should they win the house, an immediate motion to impeach seems a certainty. Whether there'd be strong enough grounds to get a 2/3 majority in the senate being the issue. It's possible that the Republicans would at that point cut their losses and cut Trump - if he didn't first resign out of pique.

A Trump impeached if not convicted late in 2018 or early in 2019, and one or both houses in Democratic hands, would limit damage until 2020. Successfully impeaching Trump would bring in Pence, who even facing congressional opposition would create a lot of problems in a year or two.

A wild card would be if Trump developed health problems, which given his age and lifestyle is not unlikely. Whether the cabinet would have the moral fortitude to invoke the 25th amendment being the question then. They seem unlikely to do so based on his mental condition.

The Chinese and Russians must be laughing robustly.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:47pm PT
Liberal masturbation fantasies require counseling.

I recommend "Madame Secretary" or reruns of "The West Wing."
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jan 13, 2018 - 06:15am PT
Jon Beck a tip of the hat to you Bubblers down there for showing Issa the door. That is super encouraging for the mid-term election cycle. Now if we can only unseat McClintock...
DMT
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