US national policy issues looming after healthcare?


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Mar 26, 2017 - 01:15pm PT

rj: someday i owe you a beer or four for all of the out loud laughs you've given me over the years...

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 26, 2017 - 01:38pm PT

Waste of beer.
Buy him a, Penile Implant!

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 26, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
Nahoo...Thanks...send beer and hold the implant...

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 26, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
and hold the implant...


Credit: Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 26, 2017 - 05:18pm PT
Back to the nuke thing for a minute...


"Gen. James E. Cartwright, a retired vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was among Mr. Obama’s most influential nuclear strategists, said he backed the upgrades because precise targeting allowed the United States to hold fewer weapons. But “what going smaller does,” he acknowledged, “is to make the weapon more thinkable.”
As Mr. Obama enters his final year in office, the debate has deep implications for military strategy, federal spending and his legacy.
The B61 Model 12, the bomb flight-tested last year in Nevada, is the first of five new warhead types planned as part of an atomic revitalization estimated to cost up to $1 trillion over three decades. As a family, the weapons and their delivery systems move toward the small, the stealthy and the precise."

Edit: Meant to add that this trend when combined with a President who has stated he might use them is a bad situation.

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Mar 26, 2017 - 06:35pm PT

Not only that, Kris, but the price tag. We could buy a lot
of healthcare for that amount. . .
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 26, 2017 - 09:50pm PT
Let's see who knew what they were doing in running the country:


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 27, 2017 - 09:11am PT

I agree.
If Biden had run I would have voted for him.

I've even said that before.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 27, 2017 - 10:00am PT
I don't really dig all the political name calling that sometimes accompanies these threads, but:

1) Some people (NutAgain) actually try to elevate the conversation and keep it focused on the issues at hand.

2) Political discourse has it's place, even on a climbers forum.

3) Let's face it, some of the issues facing our nation are more important than climbing.

Clip of the day: Ted Koppel tells Hannity that he's bad for America to his face because "You have attracted people who have determined that ideology is more important than facts."

Go Ted.

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Mar 27, 2017 - 10:23am PT

That wasn't the original post, but as it disappeared you got a frustrated screaming instead.
My apologies, but it's the plain truth.


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 27, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
So to have voted for Joe Biden would have been to vote FOR, abortion...


It's already the law.
However, I still don't believe in abortion.
Except in certain special cases

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 27, 2017 - 01:17pm PT
Biden would have been OK

But I lost all respect after I found out that he sold out to the Banksters and made it impossible for College loans to be subject to bankruptcy

Biden Backs Legislation Preventing $150 Billion of Student Loan Debt from being Discharged or Renegotiated

if your policies make people suffer, then they are not truly Christian.

Christian/Liberal policies REDUCE Suffering, not increase it

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 27, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
Not back peddling.

Go check my posts way back before the election
I said I would have voted for Biden if he had run.

And yes, I own it.
I'd rather Trump in Office than

Biden would have been better than either of them.
And if he does run in 4 years I would vote for him.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 27, 2017 - 02:09pm PT

Commentator Tomi Lahren’s time is apparently over at TheBlaze, according to a new report from the New York Post’s “Page Six.”

Glenn Beck’s network suspended the 24-year-old Lahren’s show, “Tomi,” last week after she called anti-abortion conservatives “hypocrites.”

“I’m pro-choice,” Lahren said during an interview on “The View” earlier this month, “and here’s why: I can’t sit here and be a hypocrite and say I’m for limited government but I think that the government should decide what women should do with their bodies.”

so many hypocrites on the right

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Mar 27, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
Norma McCorvey aka Jane Roe backpeddled also.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 27, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
Don't like abortions
Don't have one

Case Closed

Unless you want to be a hypocrite and have the Government force people to comply with your selfish religious beliefs that Control What Women can and can't do.

In other words, make women suffer!
So it's not a Christian policy, it's a Big Government Right Wing Male Dominance Policy

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
Safe working conditions going into the toilet... why even bother with OSHA at this point if the government will still do big contracts with companies that cut corners to save money while injuring and killing employees?

I wonder how the Trump supporters here fall (see what I did there?) on this issue. Say you work for a nation-wide window washing company that makes you rap in on 4mm cord. Heck, only 0.1% of the 10,000 workers in the company die each year, but they save $2M in materials. And they win the government contracts because they have the lowest price! Do you think that would be reasonable? Do you think our government has any responsibility toward its citizens in terms of hiring companies that follow the laws, that create safer working conditions for its employees?

Here is a real life example of the crappy company behavior that will be unleashed by this repealed regulation. Nothing to be happy about.

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
I've got a theory about the failed health care bill...

It's a mistake to underestimate Trump. What he just did was to get healthcare off the table.

My opinion is that Trump doesn't give two sh*ts about health care, and the last thing he wants is to spend the rest of his first term getting tied up in knots over how to replace the ACA. So he's willing to take a black eye (in the view of the public and the pundits) to get it out of his way.

All this talk about this being a rookie mistake is just that, talk. He's got two highly experienced Washington insiders on his flank: Ryan and Pence. Their bill was bound to fail, too far right for Democrat support and not radical enough to fly with the tea partiers. So, for all purposes, they tabled the healthcare subject for the foreseeable future.

If you don't think the guy can be shrewd, read up on how he won Wisconsin without setting a foot in the state. Talk about a sandbag...

But if he loses the Gorsuch nomination he'll be damaged badly. So the Democrats were originally going to be soft on the Gorsuch nomination, to keep their powder dry for the next one. But seeing the opportunity to cause serious damage they're changing their focus to the current battle. Trump is effectively gambling his success on getting Gorsuch through, and the battle is going to get bloody.

Just a thought...
c wilmot

Mar 27, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
Nutagain- the gov does not care about its own workers. They are on of biggest offenders in terms of employee abuse. You lose your workers comp claim? You appeal to the gov tou got injured working for. When I contacted them about my case- they only wanted to know how I had found their contact info.

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2017 - 04:39pm PT
A perfect follow-up story to what we will get more of with the worker safety and government contractor issue:
Inside Alabama’s Auto Jobs Boom: Cheap Wages, Little Training, Crushed Limbs - Bloomberg

c_wilmot, do you think the solution is to give up on the concept of worker protections entirely, or to fix the places where the ideals of protecting workers are not met? When you hurt a finger at work, do you chop off a different one to spite the first one for making you feel pain?

P.s. Sorry you had to deal with a claim and even more sorry it was difficult to deal with against our own government
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