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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Dec 9, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
*^^^^^^^^^*THAT
First no labels..".
take Anita5.14's hint --- slowly ---- work meat out of your diet . . . . . or , ? Don't
You may feel better more 'alert' with some meat.

Not to be dismissive, it is easy to eat to much Soy,
Really locker that can not be unseen, and was way more than extreme Bhudda Boobs!

a little bit of soy protein is a great way to rush the change over so that you can get a feel for how you feel. There is some thing , Textured Soy Protein (?) it shouldn't give you bhudda boobs, at all but it is processed food to purists (?)

You will have to 'listen' to how your body and mind feel.
Some people need to have some Complex protein (meat) occasionally.
Some thing about the way the body imprints from a very early age I think.

Also I've known people who feel it is important to be able to tolerate a little meat digestively,
(So that group travel and social outings "don' t tear them up")

of course the Dairy question is always debated. Some for-go all animal products


I think the Golden Mean is important
Nothing in extremes, but we ARE talking climbers here so that needs to be

taken with a












grain of salt,. ... .

































......hows your resting Blood pressure ?
always
zip

Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
great info, thanks.
lots of good advice.
i have a lot of reading to do.
no plans on eliminating dairy.
have a resting heart rate of 59.

am i going to have a major shock to my body by going cold turkey?
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Dec 9, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
am i going to have a major shock to my body by going cold turkey?

No.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 9, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
Take a look at the Paleo diet, it is sensible and fairly easy to stick to.
grover

climber
Castlegar BC
Dec 9, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrobiotic_diet


Had a long stint with macrobiotics, it's more of a philosophy than a diet, never felt better.
Simple and tasty foods. I was in my 20's roofing in the summers to pay for my winter road trips
to the desert.

I need to get back on that train......

Good luck with this Zip.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Dec 9, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
-Going veggie for ethical reasons: Having a big heart for animals, I get it.

-Going Veggie for environmental reasons: There are logical arguments in favor of that.

-Going veggie for health reasons: Disagree with that motive (not like it bothers me, but it's just not a great idea)

Our biology is set up to be omnivorous, from our teeth to the length of our intestines and structure of our stomachs. I think most people go from eating an unhealthy omnivore diet to eating a healthy vegetarian diet and then believe being veggie was the cause while eating a healthy omnivore diet is the healthiest way to go.


If it's your thing and it works for you then go for it, but be sure to consume all nine essential amino acids that you can't make. Meat has all of them but certain combinations of plants do too.

Either way, hope whatever changes you make help you feel healthier!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 9, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
cutting out meat and dairy intake made me, like, kate moss sexy bro
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Dec 9, 2016 - 09:47pm PT
Since you are male I recommend staying away from processed soy products. Soy beans (endarme) are good and are high in usable protein.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Dec 9, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
Right that was the term Macrobiotic....the whole focus on mind /body ,ying & yang.


Of course I'd have it bass akwards!
And it is Textured Vegetable Protein, a soy product TVP(?)
that was it.
So ( very good whole foods self prepared
Meat, chicken , and less fish only in small Amounts.
All Processed food stuff = Bad
Also the way it is harvested, grown, fertilized

I know it sounds strange but I have known climbers, in top shape,
complain of "Bonking" - feeling less drive or foggy minded, "played out"
Not getting the full effect from their coffee wasn't the issue
it was bad, a feeling of lethargy, depression like.

I say this because while only three or four months without meat seems
like a long time period. It may be a longer cumulative thing.
I'm was thinking more in terms of years.
The person I know was very active hiking & camping,
eating all macrobiotic and acting like a normal weird-o
but when the addition of harder climbing, on a weekly basis &
there was an incident of bad weather and a benighting
occurred there was a disturbing noticeable unsteadiness.
I insisted they eat so meat & cheese & chocolate.

Also there was a change in the way they bruised, sort of a sign of anemia?
getting unusually larger dicolred black 'n blue marks.

No Sugar!
an impossibility ?
Only Water no sports drinks or soda is easy
I'm addicted to a gorp mix of organic sweetened rolled oats & chocolate,
I eat semi sweet bits & milk chocolate chips with cashews when I've got them.


I eat the way I'm talking about, all whole veggies and fruits nuts and beans
Grains and bread are always a battle.
no dairy, occasionally eggs ( Spartan by themselves )
, only chicken Twice a month Chinese stir fry and Mexican
( emergency traffic, made me get) take out.
I find that store bought fish has changed in constancy.
( but cooks in 3 minutes in the microwave . . . )
I still like meatballs as camp food and at home.
I use a soy creamer, and a 1/2 a tea spoon Of chocolate powder in my coffee,
there is nothing to cut from my diet and I'm Round as a gnome:-\,

My one time 'V' taper, a Gymnasts calling card, from cords in my neck
to the tendons in my ankles have all spread..
my shoulders were abused trying to one arm the Gill egg
and those damn arrows to nowhere with no holds in sight,
after the crux!
I never got to The Ripper Traverse .
So I stopped lifting it was not immediately but the discipline, of the
gym routine was not as intense so some how .
I've gotten thick I blame pasta and rice and beans.
And Ho yeah Age,at 50 Gettin' past the hump of I'll never
be 30 again is twice as hard as the
Little bump in the road that 30 was (at the time, if I remember correctly ?)
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Dec 10, 2016 - 12:17am PT
hey locker, how about one more irrelevant post. Yeah?
Cuz you know, everyone appreciates your valuable input and these kinds of jokey posts aren't super played out and old!

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 10, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
"...daily..." ?

DAILY? ?!!

Are you f*#king kidding me dude? Holy pot calling the kettle black, Batman!

Skimpy outfit?

As LBJ said to Forrest Gump, I'd like to see that sometime. ...
zip

Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
Gone 2 1/2 days so far, with no real difference.
I did a 5K today, and I am riding my bike 20 miles tomorrow.

I am going to the market tomorrow morning with the shopping list I have from this thread.

Thanks again for this plethora of useful information.
sempervirens

climber
Dec 10, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
Ima chime in here...
Locker, STFU,
You post too much, and too much of it is stupid shyte. Not interesting, not witty, not worthy. Take a break.
Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Dec 10, 2016 - 11:50pm PT
Prepare to fart. It is just a fact that you will have to significantly up your consuption of beans. Avoid eggs, they cause a stink, otherwise most of the vegetarions I have hung with farted loads, but it was pretty mellow.

One guy kept trying to bulk up and did not understand why he could not.

The same guy was doing it for both health and ethical reasons. He consumed massive amounts of protien powder after finding out being vegetarian was why he could not get muscles. I picked it up and looked at the ingredients. It was all bovine this and bovine that....translation...super processed cow parts.

LOL LOL LOL
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 11, 2016 - 07:16am PT

I hope this helps you down the path to a meatless diet.
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Dec 11, 2016 - 07:40am PT
Honnold has been on a vegetarian (increasingly vegan) diet for the past three years and it doesn't seem to be slowing him down much.

Basically B12 is the only thing you don't get from pure plants, but it's in dairy and eggs, and shellfish have megadoses (which maybe you don't wanna eat, I don't know). Anyways, many products, like breakfast cereals, are fortified with B12 in the US.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 11, 2016 - 10:19am PT
the veal calves really like forfeiting claim to mother's milk so I can cereal, IME
F

climber
away from the ground
Dec 11, 2016 - 10:49am PT
Smoked salmon is a great substitute for bacon.
Real smoked salmon.
Caught yourself, smoked with alder chips. Brine with salt, sugar, and beer.
Not that fake farmed salmon dosed with liquid smoke.
Road kill moose or deer allows for plenty of red meat without the farm raised guilt. And it's as organic as it gets.

As for Locker lead shaming Anita.....
Some people just aren't into leading. Or bacon. That's cool.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Dec 11, 2016 - 11:00am PT
Cragman writes...

"So...Fruc.....you're saying twice a year you are willing to "inflict pain" in order to eat meat, but those of us that eat meat throughout the year are somehow beneath you.... That's weak sauce....errr.....gravy."

(1) "twice a year" Eating meat doesn't have to be a black or white, all or nothing affair... My eating meat twice a year, for me, from my perspective, is a reasonable personal trade-off or negotiation... I can see it as a trade-off between (a) my reason and awareness (what I know) and (b) my instincts (incl my carnivorous instinct).

Cragman, I bet I could enjoy a steak or veal chop every bit as much as you. My change from regular meat-eating average American style to twice a year probably translates to a 95% reduction (say 100 lbs of meat to 5 lbs). This in turn could translate to a lot less pressure on animal farming if millions of fellow citizens were to do likewise.

(2) "somehow beneath you" I don't frame these issues that way. YOU do not need to frame it that way either, imo. I recognize there are different morality systems in our multi-cultured, multi-ideologized world. I don't see your morals in re to animal rights and eating meat "beneath" mine, but I do see them as different; and if I had them, based on my awareness, interests and values, worthy of change.

Whether a compromise, negotiation or trade-off is "weak sauce" is in the eye of the poster, of course.
F

climber
away from the ground
Dec 11, 2016 - 11:04am PT
How about Locker belaying Anita leading in booty shorts.
I'll send you guys some smoked salmon for snack time.
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