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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 9, 2016 - 08:18am PT
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I know nothing about eating healthy, so gonna have to do some research.
Can anyone recommend some resources?
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Shame on you, Locker....
Yer....
Gonna....
DIE!
BAd
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Have fun withering away!
On a serious note, avoid tofu. Full of estrogen.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2016 - 08:30am PT
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Thanks for the input Locker.
I'll check it out.
Got your Xmas gift.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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You know nothing about eating healthy but you are going vegetarian?
What is your objective and do you have health issues that better nutrition would help. Everyone is different. The latest fad may not be for you.
First suggestion is shop the edges of the store, all the processed garbage is in the middle of the store.
Only two weeks after quitting BACON...
Bacon as the new breast enhancement supplement?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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South Indain, Thai and Mediterranean styles are good places start IMO. Americans severely lack and understanding of how to eat vegetarian. In S. India for example it has been going on for 1,000's of years. I still crave meaty things and have it it on Fridays and Tuesdays for funness.
I eat a lot of nuts and seeds for snacks along with a variety of legumes in my meals and of course, milk in my cereal.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2016 - 09:18am PT
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I'm just looking to be healthier, riding my body of impurities, and not eating animals anymore.
I'm dating a lady who is Vegetarian, from India, and director of dietary service at a hospital.
She's pretty sharp, and very fit, so I thought I would give it a go.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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When I met my girlfriend (now wife), I was an open minded meat eater who liked to cook.
Now, I'm a better cook who never eats cow, only has the occasional slice of bacon, and gets protein from poultry, fish, and plant based sources.
My advice, get a good veg cookbook (Cooks Illustrated has a great one), get better at cooking, and be adventurous.
Maintain your exercise levels, obviously, and find what works for you as far as getting enough protein. Tofu is not something I personally like, and there are other ways to stay healthy without eating it.
For example, in my fridge I've got a batch of Pinto bean, bulgur, and beet veggie burgers. The recipe uses walnuts, so it's a diversified protein source. Plus, out of the ten or so veggie burger recipes I've tried, it's got the most meat like flavor I've come across. It's not cow, but it's pretty freaking tasty.
Experiment, and have fun with cooking. I haven't regretted it at all (though I'm not a veg).
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Most of us would benefit from eating more veggies, for sho. But if God had meant us to only eat veggies, he wouldn't have made animals so delicious.
BAd
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Not eating meat is no big deal.
Sheesh you all make it sound so...scary.
Big deal.
Most of the world pop. pretty much is veg. mostly cuz it's too pricey (and is kinda gross imho).
Eliminate meat from your diet and eat everything else.
Lots of yummy burritos for the lazy man.
Your not talking dairy too are you?
Eggs, cheese, a little milk in yer coffee...
Plenty of ways to mix and match.
Pick up a decent cook book if you really are feeling anal.
Moosewood cookbook has plenty of ideas for the suave veg head (our 'maid' uses it and we just looove that shite)
And yeah those Indians have it figure out.
course the thai do too
killer ME food that is veg
and those africans do some mean veg grub too
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Fivethirty and I are on the same page.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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"not eating meat was the easiest ethical choice I have ever made. It's really not hard to not eat meat."
fivethirty, a big factor in the decision making is the animal factory component, don't you think?
Googling a few images every week that show how chickens and pigs and cattle are treated in their short lives by Industrial Man keeps one "mindful" of the realities behind the chicken nuggets, etc.
If it's this bad now, how much worse might it be in 50 years?
Just imagine how much a cut back of 90% could mean? I eat meat twice a year, only at Thanksgiving and Christmas.
It has to do with my beliefs... I believe chickens to pigs to cattle feel pain and suffering no less than H. sapiens. They are conscious creatures, they are sentient beings. Imo.
Food for thought, Cragman.
Are chicken conscious? Do chicken and pig feel pain?
Or is it only... human... souls?
A good research project: How dairy cows are made, and then maintained, in dairy mode, in today's world...
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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There is a lot of science that strongly indicates meat and dairy are pretty bad for you. Many of the common Western diseases like diabetes, many cancers, hypertension, heart disease, etc are likely caused or influenced by diet. The World Health Organization came to this conclusion recently. Kaiser Permanente, the largest healthcare organization in the US, now encourages all of its physicians to recommend a plant-based diet to their patients after conducting an independent study of the science.
Here is a link to the KP research report on diet:
http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html
KP also has a "how to" booklet: "The Plant-Based Diet: A Healthier Way to Eat" which has some pretty good info:
https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/The-Plant-Based-Diet-booklet.pdf
Here is a quote from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine on meat consumption and cancer risk that gives a good summary for why meat is harmful and vegetables are protective:
Two themes consistently emerge from studies of cancer from many sites: vegetables and fruits help to reduce risk, while meat, animal products, and other fatty foods are frequently found to increase risk. Consumption of dietary fat drives production of hormones, which, in turn, promotes growth of cancer cells in hormone-sensitive organs such as the breast and prostate. Meat is devoid of the protective effects of fiber, antioxidants, phytochemicals, and other helpful nutrients, and it contains high concentrations of saturated fat and potentially carcinogenic compounds, which may increase one’s risk of developing many different kinds of cancer.
Vegetarian diets and diets rich in high-fiber plant foods such as whole grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruits offer a measure of protection. Fiber greatly speeds the passage of food through the colon, effectively removing carcinogens, and fiber actually changes the type of bacteria that is present in the intestine, so there is reduced production of carcinogenic secondary bile acids. Plant foods are also naturally low in fat and rich in antioxidants and other anti-cancer compounds. Not surprisingly, vegetarians are at the lowest risk for cancer and have a significantly reduced risk compared to meat-eaters.
There are lots of resources out there. Here are two books that offer useful information on the topic, both based on science:
https://www.amazon.com/Healthiest-Diet-Planet-Love-Pizza-Preventing/dp/0062426761/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0062426761&pd_rd_r=00V7M8MRGPD912JBPE6Q&pd_rd_w=NhKqo&pd_rd_wg=uDHhg&psc=1&refRID=00V7M8MRGPD912JBPE6Q
https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp/1250066115/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481312469&sr=1-1&keywords=how+not+to+die+michael+greger
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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I have been a vegetarian for numerous decades not because it is healthier but because I like animals. I think it would be better for my health if I ate small amounts of meat. Westin Price did a study of many of the worlds cultures and health to determine the best diet you may want to check that out. He is big on Bone marrow. The whole low fat craze turns out to be a Madison avenue fake news report. It's the sugar and processed foods combined with booze, cigarettes' and no exercise that put you in a bad way fast. DUH! http://www.westonaprice.org/
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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It's always funny to see conservative types get down and berate people who make the choice to no longer eat meat. Like it somehow affects their life? Or it scares them? Definitely weird and always predictable.
I quit eating meat for several years and only started again when I had my surgery and needed that extra animal protein.
It taught me to become a better cook, to use all kinds of vegetables and grains and not be some unsophisticated "meat and potatoes" type who thinks a steak is fine dining. It takes some creativity and thought, unless you want to eat bread and pasta forever.
I am weening myself off meat again now. I don't eat beef unless it's the rare burger. Very little pork if any. Mostly chicken and fish. I think it's good. I am healthy and strong.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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^^ I became better cook for sure, at least I think so! It is fun and surprising at what and how good you can make a dish sans meat.
If I eat meat on one of my meat days I'll take a rare burger, some elk, speed goat, bacon or chicken. I just feel better and well, I dig that!! Tonight, chana masala with homemade raita!!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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zip, I have really enjoyed my copy of Forks over Knives The Cookbook. I suggest you page thru the recipes, find some with ingredients you like and start cooking.
I don't care for labels, i.e. I'm this or that.....I just like to do. If you want to eat healthy cook your own food and don't go to fast food places. Really, eating out once in a while is ok for fun and friendship, but I try to avoid restaurants in general. There are very few that cook as healthy as you could in your own home. Cheers from your friend, lynnie.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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*^^^^^^^^^*THAT
First no labels..".
take Anita5.14's hint --- slowly ---- work meat out of your diet . . . . . or , ? Don't
You may feel better more 'alert' with some meat.
Not to be dismissive, it is easy to eat to much Soy,
Really locker that can not be unseen, and was way more than extreme Bhudda Boobs!
a little bit of soy protein is a great way to rush the change over so that you can get a feel for how you feel. There is some thing , Textured Soy Protein (?) it shouldn't give you bhudda boobs, at all but it is processed food to purists (?)
You will have to 'listen' to how your body and mind feel.
Some people need to have some Complex protein (meat) occasionally.
Some thing about the way the body imprints from a very early age I think.
Also I've known people who feel it is important to be able to tolerate a little meat digestively,
(So that group travel and social outings "don' t tear them up")
of course the Dairy question is always debated. Some for-go all animal products
I think the Golden Mean is important
Nothing in extremes, but we ARE talking climbers here so that needs to be
taken with a
grain of salt,. ... .
......hows your resting Blood pressure ?
always
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
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great info, thanks.
lots of good advice.
i have a lot of reading to do.
no plans on eliminating dairy.
have a resting heart rate of 59.
am i going to have a major shock to my body by going cold turkey?
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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am i going to have a major shock to my body by going cold turkey?
No.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Take a look at the Paleo diet, it is sensible and fairly easy to stick to.
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grover
climber
Castlegar BC
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrobiotic_diet
Had a long stint with macrobiotics, it's more of a philosophy than a diet, never felt better.
Simple and tasty foods. I was in my 20's roofing in the summers to pay for my winter road trips
to the desert.
I need to get back on that train......
Good luck with this Zip.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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-Going veggie for ethical reasons: Having a big heart for animals, I get it.
-Going Veggie for environmental reasons: There are logical arguments in favor of that.
-Going veggie for health reasons: Disagree with that motive (not like it bothers me, but it's just not a great idea)
Our biology is set up to be omnivorous, from our teeth to the length of our intestines and structure of our stomachs. I think most people go from eating an unhealthy omnivore diet to eating a healthy vegetarian diet and then believe being veggie was the cause while eating a healthy omnivore diet is the healthiest way to go.
If it's your thing and it works for you then go for it, but be sure to consume all nine essential amino acids that you can't make. Meat has all of them but certain combinations of plants do too.
Either way, hope whatever changes you make help you feel healthier!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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cutting out meat and dairy intake made me, like, kate moss sexy bro
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Since you are male I recommend staying away from processed soy products. Soy beans (endarme) are good and are high in usable protein.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Right that was the term Macrobiotic....the whole focus on mind /body ,ying & yang.
Of course I'd have it bass akwards!
And it is Textured Vegetable Protein, a soy product TVP(?)
that was it.
So ( very good whole foods self prepared
Meat, chicken , and less fish only in small Amounts.
All Processed food stuff = Bad
Also the way it is harvested, grown, fertilized
I know it sounds strange but I have known climbers, in top shape,
complain of "Bonking" - feeling less drive or foggy minded, "played out"
Not getting the full effect from their coffee wasn't the issue
it was bad, a feeling of lethargy, depression like.
I say this because while only three or four months without meat seems
like a long time period. It may be a longer cumulative thing.
I'm was thinking more in terms of years.
The person I know was very active hiking & camping,
eating all macrobiotic and acting like a normal weird-o
but when the addition of harder climbing, on a weekly basis &
there was an incident of bad weather and a benighting
occurred there was a disturbing noticeable unsteadiness.
I insisted they eat so meat & cheese & chocolate.
Also there was a change in the way they bruised, sort of a sign of anemia?
getting unusually larger dicolred black 'n blue marks.
No Sugar!
an impossibility ?
Only Water no sports drinks or soda is easy
I'm addicted to a gorp mix of organic sweetened rolled oats & chocolate,
I eat semi sweet bits & milk chocolate chips with cashews when I've got them.
I eat the way I'm talking about, all whole veggies and fruits nuts and beans
Grains and bread are always a battle.
no dairy, occasionally eggs ( Spartan by themselves )
, only chicken Twice a month Chinese stir fry and Mexican
( emergency traffic, made me get) take out.
I find that store bought fish has changed in constancy.
( but cooks in 3 minutes in the microwave . . . )
I still like meatballs as camp food and at home.
I use a soy creamer, and a 1/2 a tea spoon Of chocolate powder in my coffee,
there is nothing to cut from my diet and I'm Round as a gnome:-\,
My one time 'V' taper, a Gymnasts calling card, from cords in my neck
to the tendons in my ankles have all spread..
my shoulders were abused trying to one arm the Gill egg
and those damn arrows to nowhere with no holds in sight,
after the crux!
I never got to The Ripper Traverse .
So I stopped lifting it was not immediately but the discipline, of the
gym routine was not as intense so some how .
I've gotten thick I blame pasta and rice and beans.
And Ho yeah Age,at 50 Gettin' past the hump of I'll never
be 30 again is twice as hard as the
Little bump in the road that 30 was (at the time, if I remember correctly ?)
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Dec 10, 2016 - 12:17am PT
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hey locker, how about one more irrelevant post. Yeah?
Cuz you know, everyone appreciates your valuable input and these kinds of jokey posts aren't super played out and old!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 10, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
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"...daily..." ?
DAILY? ?!!
Are you f*#king kidding me dude? Holy pot calling the kettle black, Batman!
Skimpy outfit?
As LBJ said to Forrest Gump, I'd like to see that sometime. ...
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
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Gone 2 1/2 days so far, with no real difference.
I did a 5K today, and I am riding my bike 20 miles tomorrow.
I am going to the market tomorrow morning with the shopping list I have from this thread.
Thanks again for this plethora of useful information.
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sempervirens
climber
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Dec 10, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
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Ima chime in here...
Locker, STFU,
You post too much, and too much of it is stupid shyte. Not interesting, not witty, not worthy. Take a break.
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Dec 10, 2016 - 11:50pm PT
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Prepare to fart. It is just a fact that you will have to significantly up your consuption of beans. Avoid eggs, they cause a stink, otherwise most of the vegetarions I have hung with farted loads, but it was pretty mellow.
One guy kept trying to bulk up and did not understand why he could not.
The same guy was doing it for both health and ethical reasons. He consumed massive amounts of protien powder after finding out being vegetarian was why he could not get muscles. I picked it up and looked at the ingredients. It was all bovine this and bovine that....translation...super processed cow parts.
LOL LOL LOL
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 11, 2016 - 07:16am PT
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I hope this helps you down the path to a meatless diet.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Dec 11, 2016 - 07:40am PT
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Honnold has been on a vegetarian (increasingly vegan) diet for the past three years and it doesn't seem to be slowing him down much.
Basically B12 is the only thing you don't get from pure plants, but it's in dairy and eggs, and shellfish have megadoses (which maybe you don't wanna eat, I don't know). Anyways, many products, like breakfast cereals, are fortified with B12 in the US.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:19am PT
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the veal calves really like forfeiting claim to mother's milk so I can cereal, IME
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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Smoked salmon is a great substitute for bacon.
Real smoked salmon.
Caught yourself, smoked with alder chips. Brine with salt, sugar, and beer.
Not that fake farmed salmon dosed with liquid smoke.
Road kill moose or deer allows for plenty of red meat without the farm raised guilt. And it's as organic as it gets.
As for Locker lead shaming Anita.....
Some people just aren't into leading. Or bacon. That's cool.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 11, 2016 - 11:00am PT
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Cragman writes...
"So...Fruc.....you're saying twice a year you are willing to "inflict pain" in order to eat meat, but those of us that eat meat throughout the year are somehow beneath you.... That's weak sauce....errr.....gravy."
(1) "twice a year" Eating meat doesn't have to be a black or white, all or nothing affair... My eating meat twice a year, for me, from my perspective, is a reasonable personal trade-off or negotiation... I can see it as a trade-off between (a) my reason and awareness (what I know) and (b) my instincts (incl my carnivorous instinct).
Cragman, I bet I could enjoy a steak or veal chop every bit as much as you. My change from regular meat-eating average American style to twice a year probably translates to a 95% reduction (say 100 lbs of meat to 5 lbs). This in turn could translate to a lot less pressure on animal farming if millions of fellow citizens were to do likewise.
(2) "somehow beneath you" I don't frame these issues that way. YOU do not need to frame it that way either, imo. I recognize there are different morality systems in our multi-cultured, multi-ideologized world. I don't see your morals in re to animal rights and eating meat "beneath" mine, but I do see them as different; and if I had them, based on my awareness, interests and values, worthy of change.
Whether a compromise, negotiation or trade-off is "weak sauce" is in the eye of the poster, of course.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Dec 11, 2016 - 11:04am PT
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How about Locker belaying Anita leading in booty shorts.
I'll send you guys some smoked salmon for snack time.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 11, 2016 - 12:04pm PT
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Don't rule out wild game as a healthy food source. I just finished up processing (at home) the cow elk I shot ten days ago. Now the freezer is full of 60-70 pounds of range fed, organic lean meat. Plus my cat Sylvester has about 10 pounds of his own stash (the trimmings) for the year. The cow has already fed about 7 folks and that number will triple over the coming month. I also eat a fair amount of self caught fish, mostly from Lake Powell.
Harvesting my own food is every bit as rewarding as any of the big wall first ascents I have done.
Good luck in your diet changes.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 11, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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[quote]"for sure it's while wearing some of those super TIGHT "Yoga pants" or similar"quote]
Well my goodness. It just so happens the young lady is wearing a very attractive pair of tights this very day. Kinda of retro 60's leopard spot pattern, but in a dark blue-black colour combination.
Oooh - la - la...... ;)
Concur with you Locker. All in good fun. No need to get bent out of shape about silly internet banter.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 11, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
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"You're not as dumb as you look."
My dad says that to me all the time.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 11, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
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LOL re dad!
She's right here next to me...and she's not wearing the tights any more ;)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 12, 2016 - 07:29am PT
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The Revolution Has Begun: Beyond Meat
"Animal rights will be the big social revolution of the 21st century. Most people have a vague feeling that factory farms aren’t quite ethical. But few people are willing to give up meat so such feelings are suppressed because acknowledging them would only make one feel guilty not just."
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/12/revolution-begun-beyond-meat.html
"Lab grown or cultured meat is improving but so is the science of veggie burgers."
...
Following this line of thinking we will moralize ourselves out of existance by doing the “right” things long before we can exterimate ourselves by doing the “wrong” things. -Michael Allen
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 12, 2016 - 07:40am PT
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So who cares about flora? Evidence is in that plants communicate. Factory farming...what do you think fields of crops and orchards are? Tubers being torn from the earth, cherries plucked from a tree, corn ripped from their stalks...where's the love?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 12, 2016 - 07:46am PT
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Plants and animals (other than humans) are being squeezed out. The human herd is out of all proportion...culling is in order.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 12, 2016 - 08:31am PT
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On somewhat of tangent, the NY Times 10 Best Books of 2016 lists "The Vegetarian" by Han Kang (trans D Smith). Although it sounds like I might give it a pass.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/books/review/best-books.html?_r=0
In Han’s unsettling novel, a seemingly ordinary housewife — described by her husband as “completely unremarkable in every way” — becomes a vegetarian after a terrifying dream. Han’s treatments of submission and subversion find form in the parable, as the housewife’s self-abnegation turns increasingly severe and surreal. This spare and elegant translation renders the original Korean in pointed and vivid English, preserving Han’s penetrating exploration of whether true innocence is possible in a vicious and bloody world.
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