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Curt

climber

Gold Canyon, AZ

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:24am PT

Meanwhile the illusioned have no clue that WWIII has been ongoing now for 15 years .......

That explains all those mushroom clouds everywhere...

Curt

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:26am PT

Conventional thinking due to illusion always believes war is just physical ......

Curt

climber

Gold Canyon, AZ

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:31am PT

Conventional thinking due to illusion always believes war is just physical ......

As opposed to the theoretical, hypothetical, metaphorical kind of war.

Curt

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:34am PT

Russia’s Defense Ministry has cautioned the US-led coalition of carrying out airstrikes on Syrian army positions, adding in Syria there are numerous S-300 and S-400 air defense systems up and running.
Russia currently has S-400 and S-300 air-defense systems deployed to protect its troops stationed at the Tartus naval supply base and the Khmeimim airbase. The radius of the weapons reach may be “a surprise” to all unidentified flying objects, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson General Igor Konashenkov said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, any airstrike or missile hitting targets in territory controlled by the Syrian government would put Russian personnel in danger.

The defense official said that members of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria are working “on the ground” delivering aid and communicating with a large number of communities in Syria.

“Therefore, any missile or air strikes on the territory controlled by the Syrian government will create a clear threat to Russian servicemen.”

“Russian air defense system crews are unlikely to have time to determine in a ‘straight line’ the exact flight paths of missiles and then who the warheads belong to. And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of ‘invisible’ jets will face a disappointing reality,” Konashenkov added.

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:35am PT

As opposed to the theoretical, hypothetical, metaphorical kind of war.

Nobody said anything like this.

This is your brainwashed stupid uneducated projection ......

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:37am PT

Russian air defense raises stakes of U.S. confrontation in Syria

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-air-defense-raises-stakes-of-us-confrontation-in-syria/2016/10/17/85c89220-948c-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html

c wilmot

climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:41am PT

The US has no reason to be in Syria anyway.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:43am PT

Did you just write that, c wilmot?

You....the same guy who regularly excoriates Obama for weak foreign policy....for not going after ISIS enough...

Did you really just write that?

c wilmot

climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:47am PT

we are not going after ISIS. we are against Assad- Syrias president who is the only power fighting ISIS full on. our actions in Syria have consisted of aiding the islamic terrorist groups we call "rebels" who are often intertwined or fully aligned with ISIS. Why is that?

Curt

climber

Gold Canyon, AZ

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:50am PT

Werner, we all love you, at least in person. But man you are such a nut-case on this forum.

Batshit crazy, in fact.

Curt

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 19, 2016 - 08:54am PT

The US has no reason to be in Syria anyway.

Especially when you can play in the sand at Chiriaco Summit!

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 09:20am PT

we are not going after ISIS

Which branch do you serve in? Rank? Must be pretty high to sit in on all the security briefings.

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 11:53am PT

There are folks who would say that the policies of all u.s. Presidents with regard to the entire Middle East and Vietnam have been crap.

Sticking with the Middle East has any one seen an enlightening discussion of the alternatives ?

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 19, 2016 - 12:04pm PT

Back to Rockermike's original post. I've always had a particular interest in World War I and its origins. You had someone who figured he had nothing to lose by destabilizing an already tense situation (Princip and his cohorts in the Black Hand Society) and a superpower or three (Austria/Hungary, Russia and Germany) who miscalculated both their military strength and the reaction of the rest of the world and -- voila! Not only Europe, but much of the rest of the world was slaughtering each other because, essentially, Austria/Hungary lost face and had to confront its own fading importance.

Let's see. We have Russia acting provocatively not only in Ukraine, but in the Baltics. We have China creating islands of influence, shall we say. We have little North Korea trying to act like one of the "big boys." We have the former Ottoman Empire still about as unstable as it was 100 years ago. And we have enjoyed an unparalleled peace and prosperity in the western world, at least, since World War II.

It sounds distressingly familiar to me. Is WWIII imminent? I don't know, and I hope not, but we need to be very careful about involving ourselves in situations where intractible conflicts can result in massive escalation of hostilities.

The current Syrian situation doesn't differ all that much from the Balkans in 1914. I, for one, remain grateful that the Obama administration backed away from its bellicose rhetoric. Our government had little clue about what was really going on, and outside involvement has already destroyed what was, at the start of this decade, a largely middle class nation. We could have made it - and the world - even worse.

John

c wilmot

climber

Oct 19, 2016 - 12:22pm PT

The US has been the aggressor in Ukraine. Obama openly admitted he "brokered a deal" to transition power from the former democratically elected president to the criminals we supported. Considering Russia's deep ties to Ukraine its no surprise they saw our actions as provocative and responded accordingly by occupying Crimea. Sadly the US people are mostly unaware of these things as our propaganda based media has ignored the fact our gov supported an illegal coup of a democratically elected leader. And to think- we have many upset Russia might be messing with OUR elections...

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Oct 19, 2016 - 01:22pm PT

C wilmot has been paying attention.... :)

I'd add that Russia moved (after our coup to overthrow Putin's puppet) into the Ukraine ONLY to take Crimea to retain their only port to the South on the Black Sea. That huge and bold move also reportedly cost no lives. Imagine the USA making such a bold move. You'd be able to stack the bodies like cordwood.

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Oct 19, 2016 - 01:30pm PT

At this point, what difference does it make? Ukraine is a fully sovereign nation. It doesn't matter how deep one's countries ties to another are.
c wilmot, you are making the case that most of the western US should revert back to Mexican sovereignty.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 19, 2016 - 01:45pm PT

By the way, how many people here are aware of this administrations support for an ongoing $1 trillion project to massively enhance our nuclear warfighting capability?

I actually attended a conference on this issue.

I would have been opposed on the face of it, but the issues seemed compelling.

The technology involved is 70 years old. Think about the technological things around that are that old: dial telephone?

And many of the actual bombs are ACTUALLY 70 years old. Think about about that 70 year old bridge, or television. How safe and dependable are they?
We don't test detonate them anymore, so what's your best GUESS??

The latest generation as of a few years ago are designed when they are built, so that they can only go nuclear at the GPS coordinates and altitude that they've been built to explode. Anywhere else, they are a dud. If they are attempted to be opened, they explode (but not nuclear). They disarm and become unusable after a certain period of time (10 years? 20 years?) if not reset. Many safeguards are built in that didn't exist previously. Better shielding. Better monitoring. Basically unusable if stolen.

Note that this has been supported by both parties, and all administrations. It is a non-partisan issue.