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ruppell

climber
Aug 16, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
Yeah, if you're going to do things that are illegal don't post photos of it online.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 16, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
Johnathan is a friend... Peak bagger...Backcountry skier...X-country ski racer...Good guy , generous , to a fault always willing to help someone in need... Good at what he does in the medical field...If he has any faults , naivety might be it ...When Johnathan got busted , other collectors in town suddenly realized they could be prosecuted and hid their collections...Unfortunate situation...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 16, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
Jody..Smart ass...!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 16, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
LMAO..Good one Jody..
kief

Trad climber
east side
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:16pm PT
How a California Anesthesiologist Became One of America's Largest Antiquities Looters
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:31pm PT
Super nice guy

One of his frequent hiking partners was John Dittli, and the two would often race each other up a mountain. One day they stumbled on a five-year-old plane crash. Bourne started digging through the wreckage, but Dittli wanted to move on. "It was early in the day, and I wanted to finish before dark," he says. But Bourne kept at it until he found a gold wedding band, which he pocketed.

. . . .and quite the humanitarian

It also seemed that Bourne was using some of his overseas humanitarian and adventure trips as a front to buy and hunt for other objects. "Bourne gave us extremely rare things that are not found in North America," says BLM archaeologist Greg Haverstock, who was tasked with taking inventory of the cache. In fact, when Haverstock saw a Mesoamerican prismatic obsidian core that was about 10,000 years old, he suspected that Bourne had procured the artifact during a 2011 medical mission to Chiapas, Mexico. (Bourne says he bought it at a museum gift shop.)
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:42pm PT
Super smart, too.
In 2006, Jon and Penny cleared some brush from the property and burned it in a pit. By law, they should have applied for a burn permit, but they hadn't. Embers from the fire ignited a blaze that spread into Inyo National Forest, raging for nine days and consuming 7,500 acres. The cost to fight it topped $1 million, and five years later, the Bournes paid a $1 million fine.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 20, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
there are a few things wrong in that kiss and tell article with some ironic hypocrisy on behalf of one of the whistle blowers but anything to pump up a has been wanna- be... Glass houses and rock throwing...
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Apr 20, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
Amazing stuff, Kief. . .
I hope they tail him on his travels because he'll probably continue
to do it. . .
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Apr 21, 2017 - 12:32am PT
Sierra Bourne - Post up sistr
Bargainhunter

climber
Apr 21, 2017 - 02:45am PT
So a guy collects trash discarded from a previous civilization that would lie in dirt, ice or rocks on public lands and otherwise be neglected and ignored, and he then catalogs it and displays it nicely as a homage of appreciation of earlier societies' technological prowess and craftsmanship, and he not only gets arrested for it but then fined? Why not just place the artifacts in a museum for others to appreciate? Those fines and possible jail sentences are a ridiculous miscarriage of justice. Unless he came from money, he's blown through a sizable chunk of his hard earned retirement savings as a doctor.

$1M for accidentally starting a fire from embers from your burn pit?

If this guy doesn't become a raging anti-government jihadist, he must be bitter as hell. $1.3M in fines for this government BS? Give the guy a break and focus on real criminals like the timber companies deforesting old growth, strip miners, petrol companies fracking and creating pipeline environmental disasters, and other forms of government sanctioned abuse of public lands and tax payer money. Sheesh!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 21, 2017 - 07:08am PT
The Feds should have payed Dr. Bourne for saving the artifacts.. Johnathon didn't seem bitter when i talked to him last..
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Apr 21, 2017 - 08:26am PT
Seriously?

The archaeological value of artifacts like that is frequently in being able to analyze them in the location they are discovered. Pretty sure he's not a professional archaeologist trained to do that. And it's not his call as a private citizen to remove the stuff an rob the rest of us from seeing it as it was found. Certainly not his call to do that in foreign countries. And while he might not have been reselling the stuff, he was hoarding it from public view...not putting it in a museum.

And yes, the fire might have been an accident...but they were at best avoiding the law if not actively breaking it by not getting a burn permit. There is a reason for permits like that...to make sure it's safe. Which, apparently it wasn't, and that cost the public a lot of money.

He may be a nice guy, and a good MD, but he deserves to be punished for these actions and I have zero sympathy.

feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Apr 21, 2017 - 09:40am PT
There is that simple rule we all learned as children:
If it isn't yours, don't take it.

When I was actively doing archaeology, we were excavating a 2,000 year-old site. At one house site (the house was long gone, but the post holes and fire pit were evident) we found a collection of 5-7,000 year-old banner stones, neatly laid out on what had been a deer hide. Banner stones are the often beautifully-carved and polished "kick" stones used on atlatls, to give the throw a kick as the stone slides up the shaft of the atlatl. An extra punch of acceleration, if you will. Someone who was alive 2,000 years ago had collected these 5,000+ year-old artifacts, and displayed them. We named that house site "pothunter's pad" in wry comment on the entire collecting impulse which is probably common to all humans and and other living things as well. (Think of pack rats.)

That collection of banner stones is in a museum now. Many of the artifacts from the Hopewell era (ca. 2,000 years ago) were collected by one particular professional archaeologist, and many of those artifacts are in the Gilcrease, but a good number were purchased by a Swedish collector for notable prices. When a scholar wants to study artifacts from this particular time and place, the scholar would need to go to Oklahoma (Gilcrease) and Stockholm to gain a clear sense of the artifacts used by people of that time, as well as to a few museums around the country.

As archaeologists, we pretty much knew who had private collections open for study, and appreciated the opportunity to examine the pieces. There were private collections to which we have gained access only by swearing never to disclose the owner or location of their collections. Most of these collections are from private land, but how does one make a distinction after the piece has been carried away?

If the guy was not selling and kept good field notes, and was leaving it all to some museum as an intact and documented collection, where such stuff mostly molders in archival boxes, often poorly cataloged as well, I'm not so upset about this as the government seems to be. There is so much out there, all over the place, it is hard to get very exercised about one collector and one collection. I know there is dramatic umbrage about pot hunters, but sometimes they are incredibly helpful in establishing the locations of sites, and in sharing data and even artifacts with archaeologists.
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capseeboy

Social climber
portland, oregon
Apr 21, 2017 - 10:00am PT
The case stems from a yearlong investigation by the U.S. Forest Service, National Park Service, Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Case of the kettle calling the pot black? We can destroy nature because we have the authority: BLM, USFS, Corps of Destruction.

Just saying. Technically, who did the guy actually injure? The punishment is unjust. Not saying he was right.

Technically, the Natives own this land. Stoopid Americans.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 21, 2017 - 10:07am PT
I suppose it's fine to disagree with the law and defend grave robbers if you have that view, but the statues on this are pretty clear and were pretty clearly violated.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 21, 2017 - 10:25am PT
Dr. Bourne raced in the local bike races...He'd be on call and would have a hospital issued radio in his jersey pocket... One day my friend Brent covered his mouth with his hand and mimiced the squelch of a radio call repeating " Dr. Bourne " several times.. Jonathon stopped and listened to the radio then sprinted back to the pack ...Brent repeated the phony radio call a second time and Johnathon pulled off , listened , then sprnited back to the group saying that he thought the hospital was trying to reach him...Yuk , yuk.. I'm not condoning grave robbery but there's more to the picture than meets the eye here.. I think Jonathan , an Aussie , is a little like a Crocodile Dundee type living in American culture without completely adapting ..
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Apr 21, 2017 - 12:54pm PT
^^^
Sound more like he didn't want to adapt or didn't care. The story you tell about the bike race says alot. If he believes something worthy of his attention, he gives a lot of it; if he doesn't, then he doesn't. It appears he simply didn't care that this was not his stuff. I get the whole collecting bug and coveting rare objects. I just bought some cheap fossils from a rock shop near Zion. But that story about going through the plane wreck and stealing the dead pilots ring just shows he doesn't give a f&$#. Like many people who got themselves into a mess over one's head, he's got himself to blame.
Gene

climber
Apr 21, 2017 - 01:01pm PT
This link has photos of Bourne removing the bow from ice with a rock.


http://www.snwburd.com/bob/trip_reports/divide_bm_1.html

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 21, 2017 - 01:42pm PT
We need Ron Anderson and what's his name, the old troll from Idaho in here to defend the doc!
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