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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 21, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
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Once he removed the bow in such crude fashion he probably destroyed the provenance (provenience). By not carefully documenting everything in situ, you permanently lose some really important contextual data.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 21, 2017 - 10:22pm PT
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I think Jonathan , an Aussie , is a little like a Crocodile Dundee type living in American culture without completely adapting ..
SHould have known, an IMMIGRANT! Another IMMIGRANT outrage, of them sacking our country!
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dit
Mountain climber
eastside
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Interesting observations. As Hauter mentions, Jon has very good traits, but that doesn't, nor should it, preclude him from the penalties from knowingly looting antiquities from all of us.
As for "whistle blowers", there were none. Jon was filmed digging up artifacts. Like a person that is caught on surveillance footage pouring Coke into a Jerry can, authorities over time will see the evidence; Glass houses indeed.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dit... If i remember correctly another acquaintance of yours has a collection of artifacts... Just wondering if you nipped that friendship in the bud...? Probably not and rightfully so...We both know how over-exuberant Jonathon can be and maybe you feel like i do that maybe if we hit him over the head with a club and told him what he was doing was wrong we wouldn't be having this discussion...? Just saying...And Ekat....You're a big Jew...
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dit
Mountain climber
eastside
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May 10, 2017 - 06:49am PT
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Don't believe everything you read Hauter. I have no more "nipped in the bud" my friendship with Jon than I have with you though I certainly have reason too. While I no doubt have many friends that have "collections" as you call them, I'm not sure who you refer to. That said, there are "collections" and there is systematic looting of graves and other archeological sites; I don't condone either and I make that pretty clear to my friends. In other words, I don't appreciate people ripping off our (my) public property (or dumping coke in my gas), so those "friends" that do so aren't likely to show off their collections to me.
I had the conversation of the legal and moral implications with regard to surface collecting more than once with Jon (I had no idea he was a looter) but it always fell on deaf ears as you can imagine. Still, he would never collect in my presence; probably because he got tired of me harping on him.
Many, if not all, of the tribes that Jon ripped off also don't feel like the "club" as you say, was big at all and were disappointed in the sentencing. I think when Jon feels enough remorse to make a public apology, perhaps then we won't have to worry about more artifacts ending up at his home.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 10, 2017 - 08:46am PT
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And Ekat....You're a big Jew...
WTF???
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 10, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
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Dit... Read Bullwinkles post... As we all know indigenous people were re-located to open air prisons called reservations... How do we know grave sights were being looted....? Were there signs in 5/16 raised braille spelling whitey don't loot ...? Jonathon Cornelieus is a mad scientist - archeologist , eccentric , philanthropist and maniac... If he was committing a felony would he have allowed himself to be filmed...? Was he earning income selling the artifacts..? Would i have dumped coke into your jerry can if i was being filmed...? Is Ekat really a big Jew..? I get the grave looting out rage but calling Jonathan a felon might be a stretch...
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dit
Mountain climber
eastside
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May 12, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
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fel·on1 ˈfelən/ noun 1. a person who has been convicted of a felony.
At last count I believe Jon was charged with 27 felonies and tried and convicted of three, so yes, a felon.
“How do we know grave sights [sic] were being looted….?” For some light reading try the investigative reports and the court records; you may need a FOIA request.
As for the rest of your questions, the answer is “yes” to all but perhaps the reference to braille and Ekat. Are you suggesting that somehow Jon, one of the most intelligent (not to be confused with smart) and read men you probably know, some how missed the part about it being a felony to dig up burials, excavate archeological sites in National parks and possess close to 100,000 artifacts stolen from public lands? What, he thought that was a misdemeanor? Somehow through all his research and as an “archeologist” as you call him, he has never heard of or read the Antiquities Act or ARPA? (some more night time reading for you).
No, I’m afraid people regularly commit crimes in front of witnesses; the mass murderer sends clues, the drunk driver keeps drinking and driving. Mostly done out of obsession, addiction or narcissism. At some point it catches up with them and then it takes down the entire family. I know of a guy that the community has amassed a lot of evidence against, but no one has come forth with it because they don’t want his only child to bare that stigma. With luck he’ll get the message, Jon unfortunately didn’t.
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