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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Im out'
Another one bites the dust.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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was it her choice alone as sec of state to advise military action? Yes WRONG
she doesn't advise military action
not ever
all these Countries that we took action against was because of a United Nations Security Resolution, America had little to do with the decision to take military action.
Which means is was a Multi-National decision, not Obama or Hillary.
Yet you blame Hillary?
Calling her a war monger is a lie.
Pretty well misinformed about Hillary is what I would say.
You seem to be wrong about every single point you post about
It's all Right wing media lies
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John M
climber
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um.. since it is obvious that there is only one Sec of State, then what is the purpose of saying "all on her own".
Hillary has a track record of getting the US involved in several middle east nations all on her own.
I would say that you are a poor communicator..and thus it doesn't surprise me that people misunderstand you. Which is too bad. Because I agree with some of your opinions.
But making fun of people for not understanding you when you do a poor job of communicating is.. well. not so cool.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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was it her choice alone as sec of state to advise military action? Yes
Then why do we have a Secretary of Defense?
You have told us that you work for the government(NPS), but apparently you don't know how it works.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Im out"
Which I will interpret as...
'These facts are too inconvenient for me.'
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Barack Obama has taken the historic step of nominating the first Muslim candidate to become a federal judge.
I was surprised only because I thought someone must have done this already. I say it's about time. Good for Obama.
As for when Trump wins . . . pigs will fly.
Put a climber in the White House. Vote Johnson/Weld.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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When will the vetting of the lies and corruption by Gary Johnson begin?
Why would someone vote for someone they know nothing about other than not knowing about them seems to be their only positive attribute.
and will not win no matter what happens
Why?
either because they don't take their vote seriously, or they hate America.
Make sure to vote for Democratic Congressmen and State and local if don't hate America and don't want more suffering for your fellow citizens
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Got a 404 error on that link, Susan. (Pretty funny one, though.)
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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High Traverse posted:
"If you can't tell the difference between Clinton/Trump/Stein you shouldn't have the right to vote."
I agree! This is a good argument for minimal IQ test scores in order to vote. How can we proceed with this?
Apogee posted in response to c wilmot:
On the other hand, if you make your communication kinda vague, it gives you the opportunity to redirect your 'meaning' any way you like.
Hmmm, this also sounds like every presidential candidate of my lifetime.
For the partisans, this election is about SCOTUS nominations, which is essentially about abortions and gun control. I'm not a woman and I don't own guns, so I look to character in a candidate.
Johnson and Weld have executive experience as former governors and a record of working with an opposition majority.
Their character traits are orders of magnitude above the front runners.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Their character traits are orders of magnitude above the front runners.
My bro-in-law, who lives in NM, respectfully disagrees. He says Johnson
is a dickhead who cheated on his wife and pissed off nearly everyone in NM.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger!
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Hey Reilly,
I'm probably guilty of a little hyperbole there, but I will still take Johnson over the others.
edit:
Maybe I should just write in a Kardashian, because Hillary will take the one party state of California anyhow.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Gary Johnson is a whack job
So it seems logical that the right wingers would vote for him
The less they know about a candidate, the better.
The more lies they tell, the better, the more pure evil, the better.
Libertarian Gary Johnson: 5 Key Positions He Believes — Do You Agree With The Presidential Candidate’s Views?
http://www.inquisitr.com/3380880/libertarian-gary-johnson-5-issues-he-believes-in/
Gary Johnson Believes That Corporations Should Pay No Tax
The business magazine Fortune calls Johnson “the closest thing the business community has to a candidate,” suggesting that the Libertarian could be “corporate America’s best bet for president.” Why?
Pretty simple. Under a Gary Johnson presidency — assuming he had the support of Congress — corporations, even behemoths such as Walmart, Exxon-Mobil, Goldman-Sachs investment bank and agricultural giant Monsanto, would pay zero tax.
Not only that, Johnson also proposes eliminating the personal income tax altogether, so everyone from Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Donald Trump, and the Koch brothers on down to the lowest paid fast food workers would get a 100 percent income tax cut.
Instead, Johnson — who would also abolish the Internal Revenue Service — proposes a nationwide, flat “consumption tax,” basically a national sales tax of 23 percent on most everything consumers buy.
The problem with that, say critics including the pro-business online magazine The Street, is that a consumption tax hits the middle and lower economic classes much harder than the wealthy.
“Lower-income and even middle-income Americans would wind up spending a much larger share of their incomes than those in the upper echelons of the economy,” The Street wrote. To offset the effects on lower income people, the “Fair Tax” supported by Johnson would allow households below the poverty level to buy things without paying the consumption tax.
But as he states in the above videos, Johnson also wants no federal minimum wage at all.
Gary Johnson Opposes All Gun Regulations
The Libertarian candidate largely supports his party’s platform, which as he explains in the video below, opposes gun regulations of all kinds.
While Johnson says he takes a “nuanced” view of the Libertarian position and would be “open to a discussion on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill,” he also says that he believes that gun restrictions, including restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition, will only encourage criminals to obtain and use those weapons.
He also believes that unrestricted ownership of assault weapons serves as a guard against government excesses, such as Drug Enforcement Agency raids that sometimes result in the death of innocent people.
“I would just ask the question, if the DEA knew they were raiding someone’s home where they had automatic weapons,” Johnson said in a recent interview. “If that was just a known element of ‘we’re going to raid these people,’ would they have raided them in the first place, just knowing that they had that deterrent?”
Of course, the DEA and other law enforcement agencies frequently conduct raids against traffickers who are known to possess assault rifles, automatic weapons, and other deadly firearms, suggesting that the answer to Johnson’s question is likely, “yes, they would.”
On Immigration, Johnson Is The Opposite Of Donald Trump
While Donald Trump wants to build a wall on the Mexican border to keep out immigrants, Gary Johnson says that big walls lead only to bigger ladders. In the following video, Johnson explains his Libertarian views on immigration.
Johnson wants to make it “easy” for immigrants to enter the country legally, requiring only a background check.
I'm sure he wants to kill environmental regulations as well, they are huge Job killers!!! and what about those poor CEOs??? they could be making so much more w/o those pesky regulations keeping the planet clean.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Their character traits are orders of magnitude above the front runners.'
Funny, I live in New Mexico and have a way different opinion of him.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Hey Bob,
You'd know more about Johnson than me, however:
Johnson's tax and gun positions seem reasonable.
Do we not have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the first world?
This is why corporations move overseas and end up paying next to nothing. Even the enlightened progressives of the high tech sector move overseas, or get cheap labor here.
The workforce at Qualcomm in San Diego (Progressive CEO) has evolved into a visa H-1B paradise.
Our tax system needs reform, especially now that the IRS has been politicized.
Loopholes in the tax code also invite corruption.
And if you want to talk about a regressive tax, think about how this country will pay for a $20 trillion debt.
It's inflation and is the most insidious of regressive taxes (just ask Jimmy Carter).
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Well, that's the thing about Libertarians.
Many of their positions are quite intriguing, but about every other one makes you go, 'WTF? That's effing Krazy.'
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Larry wrote; Do we not have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the first world?
Yes and no, very few if any pay that rate, there are so many loopholes. Good talking point for republicans and libertarians, doesn't hold water in the real world.
"Ostensibly, the U.S. federal tax code requires corporations to pay 35 percent of their profits in income taxes.
But of the 275 Fortune 500 companies that made a profit each year from 2001 to 2003 and for which adequate information to draw conclusions is publicly available, only a small proportion paid federal income taxes anywhere near that statutory 35 percent tax rate. The vast majority paid considerably less.
In fact, in 2002 and 2003, the average effective tax rate for all of these 275 companies was less than half the statutory 35 percent rate. Over the 2001-2003 period, effective tax rates ranged from a low of -59.6 percent for Pepco Holdings to a high of 34.5 percent for CVS.
Over the three-year period, the average effective rate for all 275 companies dropped by a fifth, from 21.4 percent in 2001 to 17.2 percent in 2002-2003.
The statistics are startling:
Eighty-two of the 275 companies, almost a third of the total, paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2001 to 2003. In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $102 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $35.6 billion in income taxes as the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury, totaling $12.6 billion. These companies’ “negative tax rates” meant that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years.
Twenty-eight corporations enjoyed negative federal income tax rates over the entire 2001-2003 period. These companies, whose pretax U.S. profits totaled $44.9 billion over the three years, included, among others: Pepco Holdings (-59.6 percent tax rate), Prudential Financial (-46.2 percent), ITT Industries (-22.3 percent), Boeing (-18.8 percent), Unisys (-16.0 percent), Fluor (-9.2 percent) and CSX (-7.5 percent), the company previously headed by current Secretary of the Treasury John Snow.
In 2003 alone, 46 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes. These 46 companies told their shareholders they earned U.S. pretax profits in 2003 of $42.6 billion, yet they received tax rebates totaling $5.4 billion. Almost as many companies, 42, paid no tax in 2002, reporting $43.5 billion in pretax profits, yet receiving $4.9 billion in tax rebates. From 2001 to 2003, the number of no-tax companies jumped from 33 to 46, an increase of 40 percent.
In 2001, the Treasury paid corporations $40 billion in tax refunds, a third more than the 1998-2000 average.
Then in 2002 and 2003, after the law was changed to expand tax subsidies and make it easier for corporations to carry back excess tax breaks to earlier years, corporate tax refunds skyrocketed to an average of $63 billion a year – more than double the 1998-2000 average."
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/real_tax_rates_plummet/
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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My bro-in-law, who lives in NM, respectfully disagrees. He says Johnson is a dickhead who cheated on his wife and pissed off nearly everyone in NM. I lived in New Mexico when Gary Johnson was governor. He was not a competent leader, always took off to go play somewhere and didn't govern.
The greatest statement of his character is when he dumped his wife when he found out she had cancer, and promptly jumped into bed with another woman...
Just say "No" to GJ
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Thanks for the link Bob...good stuff
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