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Bob D'A
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Taos, NM
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"Maybe he had some health issues to take care of?? After all, one of them peace and love and free health care libs wished him a nice case of Melanoma. Stay classy dipshits..."
What a little as#@&%e you are Russ. Where were you when he was making fun of me for having a heart attack and open heart surgery?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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So trump wants to increase the size of the military, and yet he calls Hillary a hawk.
what a jackass.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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He calls Hillary the big interventionist but calls for either bombing the "shht" out of ISIS, or going after them militarily to defeat them "quickly".
But the job is already 2/3 done through everyone else's efforts.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Flip flopping is of no issue to TrumpCuppers. They trust his judgement implicitly.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
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Bob... really.... I'm the as#@&%e? Touchy subject for you since I did not protect you about some random post about a heart attack you lived through with only minor brain damage...?
My Bad.
All those lib_tears... "he was doing it too" boo hoo.... Wishing cancer on someone... the new Libtard equalizer. And the justification machine of the left rolls forward.
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c wilmot
climber
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we already spend billions on wars. And Clinton voted to go to Iraq and was instrumental in our presence in several middle east nations where we previously had no influence like Syria. A presence which has been disastrous and contributed to the largest displacement of humans since ww2. Hillary getting into office will mean more suffering, more chaos and more death in the middle east. Heck the Obama admin is supporting the "rebels" Kurds, and Turkey in Syria who are all fighting each other....with US supplied weapons. talk about stupid.
And increasing the size of the military could be a good idea and decrease costs. As many are obviously not aware our military is heavily reliant on "independent contractors" who are essentially paid mercenary's. we should have a larger military and zero contractors as we are fighting wars in a very disingenuous way which leads to serious confusion on what is acceptable codes of conduct in these US created combat zones in what are supposed to be soverign nations
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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With so little to differentiate between the two party choices why is it such a revelation that some media outlets might flip flop over their choices and recommendations? This is the silliest and least informed thing I've read recently.
I've been following elections closely since 1964. Clinton/Trump are far and away the most different candidates in 52 years.
Goldwater and Johnson were much closer. Nixon and McGovern were closer. McCain and Obama were closer.
None of these men (and they obviously were all men) made a mockery of their opponents, made a mockery of our governmental system, were so ignorant of foreign policy and so horribly dismissive of entire groups of US residents and citizens. So thoroughly antagonistic towards immigrants.
The final Repub/Demo candidates since FDR have not been racist (George Wallace ran as independent after losing to Humphrey). They have not tarred persons of any religious group, they have not insulted our allies or Mexico.
They have not been woefully ignorant of the Constitution, I still wait for Trump to read it. (Have you read it?)
Now we have a fundamental difference of character and competence between Clinton and Trump. These are not just political differences, which unfortunately in the US have frequently been slight.
If you can't tell the difference between Clinton/Trump/Stein/Johnson you shouldn't have the right to vote.
You don't have to like any of them but they are four significantly different candidates.
The only confused voters are the common sense Republicans (yes, there are many of them) who know Trump is entirely unfit but can't yet come to vote for Hillary. There IS a difference. And it IS important.
There is absolutely no comparison between Hillary's supposed transgressions and Watergate(Nixon) or Iran-Contra (Reagan) or invading Iraq (Shrub). Yes, Hillary voted for Iraq. Even I supported it but not until I watched Colin Powell's speech of lies to the UN. I never thought he would lie.
Shrub, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal lied to us all. There was never a connection between Al-Qaeda, 9/11 and Saddam and they knew it. Saddam had demolished his WMDs under UN supervision and they knew it. The yellowcake Niger uranium story was made up out of whole cloth by Wolfowitz/Cheney.
The Shrub gang had an agenda to get even with Saddam and they were going to do it, regardless of truth, common sense or cost of American lives and treasure.
Even if Hillary's supposed transgressions are as bad as the wailing whackos of the far right claim there is no comparison to some previous Republican Presidents.
If you think they are similar you've been drinking the cool aid.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"With so little to differentiate between the two party choices why is it such a revelation that some media outlets might flip flop over their choices and recommendations?"
"If you can't tell the difference between Clinton/Trump/Stein you shouldn't have the right to vote."
This.
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c wilmot
climber
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Hillary has a track record of getting the US involved in several middle east nations all on her own.You people ignore this.
And Locker your assumptions of more money for wars that are not in existence yet is just pure delusions. not to mention you cant seem to be able to think beyond black and white terms of military spending. Can you seriously not understand how reliant we have become on private contractors for our Military force>?
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John M
climber
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Can you seriously not understand how reliant we have become on private contractors for our Military force>?
I believe Locker is including private contractors in his statement about Trump wanting to increase military spending. You are arguing about how we spending our money on the military. Locker is talking about simply spending too much.
I also agree that Hillary has been part of getting us into more wars. Thats one reason that I don't like her. I also don't trust her judgment.
America is in a bind. We don't have a good choice. And that is not saying that the choices are the same. They certainly aren't.
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As for libtards attacking people and being disrespectful and saying that the other person did it first as their excuse. Thats not simply a libtard thing. Thats an LEBitis thing. LEBitis is crosses all party lines and all ideological lines. From libtards to neocons. and From tard climbers to spurt climbers.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Hillary has a track record of getting the US involved in several middle east nations all on her own That is silly. The Secretary of State has no power to send troops or even send money to other nations. She made foreign policy recommendations. She sent ambassadors (approved by the Senate) and staff. She negotiated with other nations and the UN, with treaties approved by the Senate.
She did nothing "on her own" except by persuading other cabinet officers and the President.
Read the Constitution.
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c wilmot
climber
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To say she had no influence is to just be absurd. It was her job.
and one of the largest reasons we spend money on our military and get involved in middle east conflicts like Syria is to keep our military industrial complex thriving as that has become key to our economy. If we want to get out of perpetual war we are either going to have to spend more on our military domestically to replace our reliance on foreign wars or we will have to let our economy nosedive.
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John M
climber
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he did not say she had no influence. HighT was refuting what you said about her doing it "all on her own". Thats not possible.
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c wilmot
climber
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I never said she did it all on her own
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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To say she had no influence is to just be absurd. It was her job. non sequitur
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John M
climber
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you said this..
Hillary has a track record of getting the US involved in several middle east nations all on her own.
perhaps you didn't mean that, but that is what you wrote.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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If you don't communicate clearly, it's easy for others to misinterpret you.
On the other hand, if you make your communication kinda vague, it gives you the opportunity to redirect your 'meaning' any way you like.
Hmmmm.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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From that wicked left wing subversive European newspaper The Guardian:
Barack Obama has taken the historic step of nominating the first Muslim candidate to become a federal judge. This will drive Drumpf over the edge.
And lest you think this is a political move against Trump (after all everything is a conspiracy):
...the timing of the nomination shortly after Trump’s comments was undoubtedly a coincidence.
“The nominating process takes many months,” said Christopher Kang, national director of the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans and a former deputy assistant and deputy counsel to Obama.
Aww shucks I was hoping it was a Democratic election trick.
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c wilmot
climber
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As sec of state she alone made the choice to advice intervention and military action in several middle east nations. Did she give full authority on her own? no. was it her choice alone as sec of state to advise military action? Yes
your nitpicking
and regardless she has a track record of approving of middle east military force going back to her approval of invading Iraq
but you people instead want others to believe as a truth your assumptions of what trump "might" do in terms of our US military.
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c wilmot
climber
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is their two sec of states?
because she alone held the position and without her influence on foreign policy we would not be involved in the conflicts we are
and be an absurd child locker. its apparently who you are\
I try to be civil in debate but apparently you choose to be a keyboard bully typing. "laughing My Ass Off" as a response- something I guarantee you would not say in person during a debate. I wont make assumptions as to why you think that is acceptable behavior but I can say that it is acting like an absurd child
Im out
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