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Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
How many of you hysterical Libtards are actually going to make good on your threats and leave the USA?

And if you need any help setting up a Kickstarter, GoFundMe, YouCaring, BegFestCentral, or I_Heart_ISIS campaign to get you off Trumps soil, PM me. I'll help you set it up.

So far I think we have:

Bob Da
Norton
Apogee
FlipFlop
Fruity
HighDesertDJ
the dude with the Moose face
Craig Fry
Crankloon
and all them Canadians since they are so close to the US and might need a buffer
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
Ha Ha Ha!

Thanks for the laugh Russ.
WBraun

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
LMAO

It's tooo damn funny ....
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:54pm PT
While he and his supporters have no shame, I am very ashamed that our country allowed him to get this far.

Yep. I can't believe he is the best candidate the pubs came up with. I think he bought it.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
Where do I send my donation for libtard resettlement?
Got to be proactive if we want no excuses come November 9th.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
Hey, you could probably get David Duke to kick in a few bucks to deport libtards.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
Yep!

Might as well put me on the list.


But I don't need no help from you. I'm going to take my guns & go live with the sasquatches.


SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
Luckily I have a large enough, and comfortable enough, cruising sail boat to go anywhere we want...as long as there is water. It has heating and air conditioning so I can go North, South, even in the off seasons.
ExPat status. Always sounded kinda romantic anyway. Crew applications will be taken

Susan
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
HAHAhahahahahahaaaa

i'm sure the trumpster will provide his plane to take them wherever they want.

i heard Fruity just got fired from MickeyD's. he was soo hoping for hillary to bump him to 15. He could prolly really use a gofundme right now, poor guy.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
Where do I send my donation for libtard resettlement?


Send it to me. Really. I'll send you my bank account number in the Cayman's.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:11pm PT

Will Poland take me back?

they're lookin for Leaders, moose. Not more topropers!

bodaBAM
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
Damn SC! That is a yacht! Nice.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
When TRUMP wins...

Hahahahahahahahahaha


Curt
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
Interesting ad just bannered out after some libtards staggered into this thread:

WTF???

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
When TRUMP wins...

"Hahahahahahahahahaha"


Or put another way.....






BWAHAAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHAAHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!69



Fish Finder

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
Trump the next 8 years will make Americal strong
Hillary........just wrong
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
Oh Russ you Wacky troll😎

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
ecdh

climber
the east
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:44pm PT
Give it a year. Like all presidents the bluster of the campaign will fade, people will get bored and little real change will happen. The systems not changing, just the packaging.

I think the real changes will happen outside the country, as foreign leaders react to him.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
Leave me out of it. None of this is real. He's a shill and I'm not paying any attention. Not worth a moments attention. There is nothing authentic about this season of Biggest Loser.

couchmaster

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:58pm PT


I only know 2 things for sure. Jack and Sh#t, Wait, that's incorrect, I do know one more thing: that betting against Trump making it this far has cost me a sh#t ton of $cratch. . Almost enuf to get me one of them expensive but sweet Fish portaledges. Instead of a cushy comfortable ledge of my own, I'll probably have to snuggle up with one of my fruity buddies on their sweet Fish ledge and get pounded because of an inappropriate erection in the middle of the night.

THANKS TRUMP, YOU BITCH!!!

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
If TRUMP wins, National Endowment for the Arts funding might be cut... not saying that is a bad thing:


This is right up there with "Piss Christ" (edited thanks to HellRoaring)
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
And this monstrosity would be at risk if funding is cut:

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
When Trump wins, there'll be some chicken_shit in every pot.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:16pm PT

I have it on good sources that Russ will be one of the first.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
When Trump wins...

a lot of lazy-ass gov't workers will be fired. And a whole pack of pinkos at the Justice Dept are going to be lucky if they don't go to jail.

I really hope Trump shines a light on the lies and fraud we've been subjected to for the last 8-12 years. There's going to be a f*#king reckoning, and it's about f-ing time!1!

I just want justice to reign. That's all. I want a 'law and order' candidate. Y'know, somebody to make America show some integrity again.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
Radical, like most of your other posts, you got the quote wrong.
Oh, well, some men you just can't reach.

You mean its not a cops fault when a 300 pound violent criminal with a three page rap sheet fights a cop for the cops gun and the cop has to shoot the criminal ?

Like this guy?
dirtbag

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
Trump hates America.

He shits on our finest traditions and our people.

White nationalists have finally found their man.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
Really Blue?

You betcha! This will be the year of the Nationalist. As in, let's start worrying about our own sh#t for a while. We have a lot of work to do here in this country.

I know the N-word scares lot of people, but having pride in your country is 'no vice'.

Who said, "I will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, but let me also say, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:47pm PT

Dude..
this thread exceeds 200%
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
You betcha! This will be the year of the Nationalist.

Sorry, bluering, that's not the way it's going down.
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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
Guthrie was a commie.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
And bluering is what, a ringer?

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
Guthrie was a commie.

Deep analysis there.

Hey, ever wonder why the leftists get all the good songs?
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hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
Russ, that's "piss christ" not "piss jesus", the warm golden hues of that pee pee jesus photo are amazing!
The poster at the top of this page (ecdh?) seems pretty spot on.
Bluering, only 8-12 years of lies & fraud? Multiply that by 25 or so and that's probably closer to the truth...
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
Bluering! Re your comments:

You betcha! This will be the year of the Nationalist. As in, let's start worrying about our own sh#t for a while. We have a lot of work to do here in this country.

I know the N-word scares lot of people, but having pride in your country is 'no vice'.

Who said, "I will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, but let me also say, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".


I suspect you don't have a grasp of Nazi history to know what Nationalism can mean, with supporters like you. But maybe I'm not giving you enough credit?







apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
Yes, Fritz. Precisely.

This is what a Trump Wins scenario will look like.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
Nobody's gonna have to move. Herr Drumpf isn't going to win the fatherland.
How did so many long haired dope smokers grow up to be red neck, minority hating Drumpf lovers?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
Hey idiots, the NAZI's were National SOCIALISTS, but yeah they did have that whole race thing going.

You know damn well that is not the kind of nationalism I'm talking about. I'd say patriotism but it has a different meaning.
chill

climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
I try to stay out of these stupid poli-troll threads but this comment killed me;
I really hope Trump shines a light on the lies and fraud we've been subjected to for the last 8-12 years.
The idea that Trump will shine a light on anything other than his own gigantic ego is delusional.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Say what you want, Trump will being back the British Invasion and make Amerika grrrrrrrrrreat again.


http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/music/images/emi/beatles/TheBeatles_EarlyDays.jpg[/

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:28pm PT
Weird that the death of hippie occurred in 1967.

Time passses slowly up here in the mountains.


Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
Hey idiots, the NAZI's were National SOCIALISTS, but yeah they did have that whole race thing going.

You know damn well that is not the kind of nationalism I'm talking about. I'd say patriotism but it has a different meaning.

What kind of Nationalism do you want?
The fascist kind?


A cross draped with the flag is perfect for your movement.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Bluering? Who is the idiot? I think it's you. And I know you will be excited when Trump starts hanging libtards.

Your thoughts:
Hey idiots, the NAZI's were National SOCIALISTS, but yeah they did have that whole race thing going.

You know damn well that is not the kind of nationalism I'm talking about. I'd say patriotism but it has a different meaning.



zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
Just doing my best to help guard the hen house, Z Brown...

Doesn't it puzzle you when the picture keeps changing beforeyourveryeyes.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sF1f4eKk5h0/maxresdefault.jpg

Got live if you want it - Austin, Tejas

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c wilmot

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Without nationalism we would still be under England's thumb. And your average nazi was fighting against bolshivism- they had no idea what was going on in terms of the camps while they were engaged in deadly combat
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
Fritz, you wanna be provocative? Look at who endorsed Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela, for their Bolivar Revolution.

Look at Venezuela today, a few short years later. Ask Largo how things are down there.

They've evolved now from socialism to Marxism. The have decreed 'forced labor' for all citizens. THAT! Is your socialist Utopia in a brief nutshell.

The Nazi references are more appropriate to the current leftist ideologies rampant in the world. There are few right wing ones, and that may be the problem with our current world. We're outta flux, mate!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
When Trump wins monkeys will fly out of my Air B+B....
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
Why all the hate on White nationalism - we're all mostly white right?

I mean if this dick gets elected we might be wise to play our winning race card just to avoid the camps.

Nice knowing you Leon - but your colored azz is f*#ked.

Fish Finder

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:45pm PT
We all live here
We all love here
Can't we all just get along
Russ what an easy shlt ball troll of a thread you created
Nice work braj

It's obvious the practice wife is travelings
and yous got some time on your hands gash

Edit:
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
Why all the hate on White nationalism - we're all mostly white right?

Easy there, honkey. I said nothing about a 'color' of nationalism. I just said American nationalism.

Colors don't matter. It's what's in yer heart.

But I knew what ya meant, I just didn't want to get mis-quoted.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
On a serious note, have any of you actually tried to emigrate? Tain't easy and most countries won't take you unless you have a million bucks or so. I'm a Kiwi (and a Yank); I brought my wife of 15 years to NZ and it was painful. Canada has a quick check website that will pretty much tell you if you're welcome or not; give it a try.

Every time I hear the old 'America, love it or leave it' BS I have a laugh, cause they don't want you 'Mericans.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 08:54pm PT
Hellroaring wrote:
Russ, that's "piss christ" not "piss jesus", the warm golden hues of that pee pee jesus photo are amazing!

G'damn it man! I knew that... I was an art major!! I'll go fix it now. Thanks for the correction.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
Yo man - I had a Deep South front row seat for Forced Busing and School Integration at the End of a Shotgun all the while being half-raised by a Black Woman while my real Momma was in the Cancer ward.

Trust me - depending on which way the barrel was pointed - decided which opinion I held at any given moment.

Momma did not raise no fool.

Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
Well, if you like trump you are in interesting company.

Sara Palin, Mike Tyson, Vlad. Putin, Republic of North Korea, David Duke - etc. etc. How nice to be on that list.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
Fish Finder....That mask won't get you a job on any of the paint crews up yonder here....
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
Cmon BC - there's one hell of a Societal train wreck coming and the train is full of cranky old White People on their last big ride to the Promised Land.

I'm just counting down the days until the train runs out of track and hits the Station Wall!

After that day I'm going to push my Catawba Indian heritage and use a lot more Spanglish so the Next-gens don't shoot me.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
Well, if you like trump you are in interesting company.

Sara Palin, Mike Tyson, Vlad. Putin, Republic of North Korea, David Duke - etc. etc. How nice to be on that list.


That's obviously a bizarre way to gauge a candidate, but it would be interesting to also show people of "character" who endorsed Trump. It's an impressive list but this is a stupid pissing match.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
I think that's a good list of characters that support the Donald...Maybe should have put Ted Nugent on it...Loved it when he pranced around on stage with a M-16 wearing a full length indian war bonnet...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
I saw Young Ted at Cal Jam II when he wore the loincloth with a raccoon tail hanging off his butt.

Never thought he would become the Voice of America.

Shows what I knew.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 09:14pm PT
I saw Young Ted at Cal Jam II when he wore the loincloth with a raccoon tail hanging off his butt.

Bro!!!! Pic coming (if I can find it) of me and the MoonFuzz (AK Dog on here) at Cal Jam 2!!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:22pm PT
Bro!!!! Pic coming (if I can find it) of me and the MoonFuzz (AK Dog on here) at Cal Jam 2!!

Fuk Bro - and if you bought the dancing bear blotter from the surfer guys sitting on the inner track fence - THAT WAS PROBABLY ME!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 09:25pm PT

Middle of pic, left of center... white Tshirt is me with the MoonFuzz to the right in a maroon tank top.

totally rocking out in 11th grade!

edit: Fuk Bro - and if you bought the dancing bear blotter from the surfer guys sitting on the inner track fence - THAT WAS PROBABLY ME!

no acid for us... our nuts had barely descended when that gig was going down. It was all I could do to hold down a 1.66 GPA and go to Stoney 3 times a week. #AcidFreeZone
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:53pm PT
Russ....If Nugent , Cal Jam 2 didn't get your nuts descending , hopefully Cosmics cupping post will...?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
Bluering! Here's some Hitler quotes for you. I know you will be quick to work them into your rants.

"Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed.

The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another.

The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood."[5]

and what you said tonight:

Bluering! Re your comments:


You betcha! This will be the year of the Nationalist. As in, let's start worrying about our own sh#t for a while. We have a lot of work to do here in this country.

I know the N-word scares lot of people, but having pride in your country is 'no vice'.

Who said, "I will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, but let me also say, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".

You might believe (I suspect you don't think) that you are one of the "gud-guys" ------but your "gud-guys" are these folks.


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:05pm PT
OH COME ON
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:13pm PT
I think his mind is 'on the fritz'




Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:21pm PT
Russ! It's always the fault of us Jews.



And Obama!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:23pm PT
Very interrresting but stooopid...

RyanD

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:37am PT
Nothing really to add to this hilarious thread, but I will win $50CAD if trump wins. I'm not cheering for him, I just think he will win based on how worked up he has everyone. America loves that sh#t. A work buddy hates him so much and bitches every day so I had to make the bet.

And I also happened to eat a sliver of dancing bear just the other day, then went bouldering under Shannon falls. Which was mega.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:04am PT
Now I understand why you have such a phenominal collection of art...




SNORT!
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:27am PT
Hey idiots, the NAZI's were National SOCIALISTS, but yeah they did have that whole race thing going.

Once again, bluering, I'd like to point out to you that it was the socialists and communists and labor union leaders that were the first to go the concentration camps and gas chambers.

But please, don't let facts confuse you!

Without nationalism we would still be under England's thumb.

The right wing Americans of 1776 wanted to hang the Founding Fathers. They fought for the King.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:27am PT

As a troll this thread falls so far short of this masterful Trump troll I've linked below as to be non-explainable. http://takimag.com/article/punking_the_haters_david_cole

Talking about how the Washington Post got trolled in and was posting articals bitching on it and then WHAM, this:
"The DonaldTrump2016 Reddit page is a hoax perpetrated by trolls, one of whom is a friend of mine."
HAHA, UNBELIEVABLE! But true.

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:40am PT
I saw Young Ted at Cal Jam II when he wore the loincloth with a raccoon tail hanging off his butt.

I interviewed Ted for my high school paper in 1973 at the Evansville Soldier's and Sailor's War Memorial Coliseum. He seemed very level headed, not like the stage Motor City Madman. He'd just been acquitted at trial after shooting a guy attempting to break in his house after having knifed his dogs.

More fun to hang with were the headliners that night: Brownsville Station. Just a bunch of young dudes having the time of their lives. They had their big hit and were riding that train for everything they had.
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Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:49am PT
So it seems common knowledge that we have the two worst candidates in US history.
There is a difference however.

Trump is the black sheep of the republicans, and most of the
republican establishment tried to defeat his nomination.

Hillary is poster candidate of the democrats, and most of the
democrat establishment cheated so she could win the nomination.

So the republicans are embarrassed of their POS,
while the democrats are proud of their POS.

Edit: Feel the Johnson
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:13am PT
With the MSM writhing in such an obvious propaganda storm with such an outright frothing mouth full-court-press against Trump....

Gonna have to do it. When TPTB seemingly hate someone so much(he hates BABIES! He hates BROWN PEOPLE!), you know it's the right pick.

Of course the guy coding the Diebold machine makes the decision but it'll feel good to cast my vote into oblivion anyway.

Orange Idiot 2016!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:15am PT
You are a perfect example of the hippie in a former time, protesting for free music concerts, being a conservative presently, when your former idealism hits you in the pocketbook.

Well Jim Brennan that's an interesting take on things, but completely untrue.

Never a hippie. Never protested for free music, though I appreciated a free show. Not a conservative, not a liberal, an independent.

Binks

climber
Uranus
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:01am PT
When Trump wins? It seems more likely he's going to drop out. He's already lost.

For the record, I don't care if he wins. I don't think he's as bad as they make him out to be, despite his gaffes.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:01am PT
Without nationalism we would still be under England's thumb.

At least we'd have single-payer healthcare.

Curt
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:02am PT
Yes, Larry Nelson

I too would like for you to put forward your proof that most of the Democratic establishment actually cheated to ensure Hillary Clinton became the nominee

so Larry, just how did the Dem establishment get in touch with the right 3 million people and pay them off to vote for Hillary in all those state primaries?

maybe you think they rounded up those special people 3 mill and bussed them to the polls?

was the 1969 moon landing faked too, Larry?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:22am PT
Donald Trump repeatedly asked an unnamed foreign policy expert why the U.S. couldn’t use its nuclear weapons stockpile during a national security briefing earlier this year, MSNBC “Morning Joe” co-host Joe Scarborough said Wednesday.

Scarborough told the anecdote amid an interview with former CIA director Michael Hayden, who said he could not see himself voting for the “inconsistent” and “dangerous” GOP nominee. Asked if he was aware of anyone among his peers who was advising Trump, Hayden said “no one.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scarborough-trump-nukes_us_57a1e47ae4b0693164c347d0


c wilmot

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:26am PT
Vt went for sanders but the super delegates of the state ignored their will and voted Clinton- how is that not cheating?
c wilmot

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:34am PT
It was open knowledge locker. The state was pissed at them for ignoring their will
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:37am PT
I think Pyro and Russ are in this video


Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump's Crowds
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:42am PT
c wilmot
thanks for updating on all the Democratic misgivings

have you checked on the election on Republican side yet?
Because it's obvious that you are not going to vote for Hillary, it makes sense that you would scrutinize the person you will vote for a lot harder.



I can care less about delegates, DWS, e-mail, Benghazi, Libya, Bernie or bust folks, Bill, and what ever BS you got.

I have a choice between ONLY 2 people

I will pick the liberal over the right wing stooge every time
and vote D down ticket as well.

I want to stop the decline of our Government from Republican obstruction and selling us off to the rich.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:45am PT
I am not voting at all. The us people already lost
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:47am PT
Excellent job, Russ! I always enjoyed those old Miller Lite commercials with Conrad Dobler. You actually pulled it off.

What we have here isn't a failure to communicate. It's a failure not to take ourselves too seriously (and a double negative, but I can't think of any other way to say it).

Besides, enough mathematicians on ST doubtless recognize vacuous truth.

Well done, sir!

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:49am PT
Fine, don't vote, you apparently already lost

I didn't realize things were so bad already
Must be that liberal bubble I live in, it's sunny outside, no ISIS stalking me, no economic crisis!

Everything seems to quite awesome in most ways.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Hey Norton,
I got the information, on the Democrat establishment greasing the skids for Hillary, from many friends who are Bernie supporters.
Backroom caucus deals with delegates were the main complaint they had.
How do you rationalize the 6 or so "coin flips" for votes in one of the states?
(I'd start buying lottery tickets with coincidences like that).

Bernie has now joined the Goldman Sachs wing of the Democrat Party, but many followers have not.
;-)
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:09am PT
Larry,

ok I get that you are mad Bernie got beat fair and square

he lost by millions of votes, bottom line more Americans voted for Hillary to be the Democratic nominee

that voting process throughout the entire winter and spring was not rigged or flawed

yes, a low level DNC employee wrote an email that was found and read showing that person preferred Clinton, nothing was ordered "done" about it

that fact did not change anything, did not rig anything

Bernie lost because millions more voted for Clinton

you are acting exactly how Trump is acting now, claiming the election is "rigged" because he is mad that the recent polls are showing him now losing to Clinton

he is not capable of growing up and accepting that voters just don't want him,.........
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:21am PT
OK guys, I take back my assertion that the Hillary camp cheated.

In my defense, I have this mental image of a close correlation between liars and cheats.
Hold my popcorn while I belay Johnson ;-)
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:23am PT
...you are acting exactly how Trump is acting now, claiming the election is "rigged" because he is mad that the recent polls are showing him now losing to Clinton

This reflects the larger world we now live in. Nobody can actually lose graciously anymore. Any "loss" is always attributed to cheating, fraud or some kind of unfair process.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:40am PT
Vt went for sanders but the super delegates of the state ignored their will and voted Clinton- how is that not cheating?

Get over the busllshit super delegate thing already.

1) Super delegates did exactly what they were supposed to do--to vote for the candidate they thought was best for the job--unlike the bound delegates, who are bound by the votes cast by primary voters.

2) If there were no super delegates in the Democratic primaries (and all delegates were bound in proportion to the primary voting in each individual State) Hillary Clinton would have actually clinched the Democratic nomination sooner.

Curt
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:52am PT
Out of 28M votes, Clinton won the popular vote by app. 3.8M, roughly 14%.

Not exactly a squeaker...
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
If my candidate wins its all fair in square. If the other one does then they must have cheated. My candidate sucks, but hey they're better than the other candidate!, so what's all the fuss about this racist misogynist bullsh#t? I guess my candidate's not so bad after all. Cue morally self righteous obesity comments and endless psyche protecting justifications. Some neural connections run deeper than others.

If the superdelegates voted for my candidate, then it's all fair and square, according to the rules that all agreed to play by. If they didn't vote for my candidate, then they cheated and really they were supposed to obey the unwritten rule of voting with their constituents - we're all supposed to pretend that we didn't create an electoral process that included super delegates. But hey, that superdelegate thing was bullshit to start with, I mean to end with.

Human's are cheaters when it comes to what we believe. The other ones, not us.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:49pm PT
When Trump wins, Bill Maher is no more.

Moose, you did something I didn't think possible. You gave a cogent reason to vote for the Chump.

;-)

John
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
I have a question for a Trump supporter:

After the last 48 hours (or 48 days for that matter) is there anything he could say or do which would terminate your support for him? What would it be?

His own VP is distancing himself, endorsing Paul Ryan when Trump refuses. I wondered why a guy like Pence would sign on with Trump. This is a long shot, but I told my wife if this happens I predicted it:

Pence declares Trump incompetent and threatens to remove himself from the ticket. The RNC has no choice but to re-convene. If they can get to a majority vote they can select a new nominee. Pretty much a train wreck but at what point do they have no choice?

The double whammy is that at this point Trump cannot run third party. His head might explode but that'll be the end of the road.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:57pm PT
Kris, I'd contended for a year that Trump's candidacy was a Clinton dirty trick, and that he would endorse her and drop out. Apparently, he didn't get the memo that he wasn't supposed to do that until a few days before the election.

Meanwhile, you're absolutely right -- we need to get Johnson to 15% so he can debate the clowns the two major parties nominated.

John
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
His own VP is distancing himself, endorsing Paul Ryan when Trump refuses. I wondered why a guy like Pence would sign on with Trump.

What is scarier than Trump is Pence becoming president somehow. No way should he be allowed to do to the USA what he did to Indiana. He's been a disaster.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
"...is there anything he could say or do which would terminate your support for him? What would it be?"


I've asked that question several times, quite rationally, of the Trumpsters here at ST. Not a one ever answered in any real manner.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
Trumpsters

I'd preferred "Trumpkins," but overwatch suggested "Trumpettes," which I think is even better.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
I used to like Maher, but then his schtick became tiresome. The same format, the same talking points, the same total control of the entire flow of the program...just not that compelling anymore.

Did you see him with Stephen Colbert a few weeks ago? His segment was generally not funny, and Maher had this uncomfortable, irritated look & manner about him. It looked like he's just not comfortable being on the other side of the desk...he wants to be in the control seat. Not very flattering.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:57pm PT
Kris....

so what Sh#t sandwich are you going to bite into????

If your not going to pull the leaver for Trump, you might as well pull for Hillery.....

think about that one for a moment.

8 more years of total BS, 4 supremos, prolly another few wars, to protect Turkey or some other NATO nation.

Maybe some cool free trade DEAL where we sent tons of $$$$$$$$$$$ to ISIS... to make up for all the bad things we did.

lots of double speak, from two sides of the mouth.....

you know more of the same old same old..

sounds great.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
So, guyman, what would Trump have to do or say to get you to abandon your support for him?
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
It's not a good question to ask if there is anything Trump could say or do since there is always something, but it would be made up. You could ask the same question of a Clinton supporter too and she has already done a lot of negative things ...... so what does the question accomplish really? It is totally hypothetical. Trump supporters like Trump because he works in the real world and deals with real problems facing real people.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
Not true, Susan.

If Hillary made the same kinds of misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic comments, and denigrated decorated veterans, and mocked those with disabilities (amongst others), I'd be voting for Johnson/Weld so fast it would make Hillary's head spin.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
BS!! Trump exploits real people who work in the real world. Ask JE he can tell you what it's like.

STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
Trump supporters like Trump because he works in the real world and deals with real problems facing real people.

LMAO!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:32pm PT
So, guyman, what would Trump have to do or say to get you to abandon your support for him?

I support Trump because he is running opposite the absolute worst person to ever run, ever.

So I would drop my support for Trump, if Hillery would drop out.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:33pm PT
You didn't answer the question, guyman. You just dodged it.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:36pm PT
guyman, what chance do any of us in California have for our electoral votes to end up with anyone other than Hillary? I suspect none, but Johnson is much closer to conservative in his positions than is Trump. For that reason, I don't see my vote for Johnson/Weld as insuring a Clinton victory, or even contributing to it.

While I agree that Clinton is disqualified, in my opinion, so is Trump. If people start to take Johnson seriously, we could have a competent, honest President unbeholden to a Congress controlled by either major party. This might actually lead to real progress and -- for a nice change in this century, good government.

John
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Johnson is not qualified. He hates any government regulation, he lives in fantasy land. He is a merely a protest vote for those unhappy with the disintegration of the Republican party.

Bill Clinton goaded Trump into running. Trumps entire campaign is performance art.
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
Meanwhile, you're absolutely right -- we need to get Johnson to 15% so he can debate the clowns the two major parties nominated.

John, how it works to get access to debates ? Why borderline is 15% and what is the way to get it?
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
You didn't answer the question, guyman. You just dodged it.

App... Don't think I dodged the question.... so I'll put it another way.

Trump could not do anything to make me not vote for him as long as the other choice is Hillery Clinton.


And to John E.... be real- voting for the other candidates is a vote for Hillery Clinton.

Even in California
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
"John, how it works to get access to debates ? Why borderline is 15% and what is the way to get it?"...


Simple answer..... The System, our system IS rigged.
rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
Trump is watching
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
"Trump could not do anything to make me not vote for him as long as the other choice is Hillery Clinton. "

Wow. Just wow.

I can understand your conundrum, guyman, but abandoning all of your principles and values due to hatred of Hillary Clinton is pretty stunning.
Byran

climber
Half Dome Village
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
Simple answer..... The System, our system IS rigged.

As of right now 1823 people have filed a Satement of Candidacy with the Federal Election Commission.
http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2nm.shtml

Should we bring all of them up onto the debate stage? Even Tipa Dis Dick and Moose the Dog? Reaching a certain % in the polls seems like as objective of a criteria as any. Certainly better than some news network picking and choosing who to put up there. The question is which polls are we talking about here?
c wilmot

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
Hillary Clinton supports the various Islamic terror groups collectively known as "rebels" who were recently caught be heading a boy. Not to mention all the other chaos they have fostered. That goes against my ideals- how about yours?
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
I can understand your conundrum, guyman, but abandoning all of your principles and values due to hatred of Hillary Clinton is pretty stunning.

App.... I will turn that around on you.... Just the fact that you wish to see Hillery Clinton rape and pillage our Country is pretty darn stunning too.

dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
What "rape and pillage"?

Sheesh!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
Hillary Clinton supports the various Islamic terror groups collectively known as "rebels" who were recently caught be heading a boy. Not to mention all the other chaos they have fostered. That goes against my ideals- how about yours?


I support Trump.... I have asked for some proof about Donald being a raciest.... you know a real video of him being a raciest.. not some media reporters idea of Raciest but a real live KKK sort of thing. To date nothing.... I figured that Norton, Dirt, HFCS et al would have jumped on that in a second.

ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
how did RW not get airtime at the Republican National Convention? I mean, he's at least as well-known as Scott Baio
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
What "rape and pillage"?

Sheesh!

The Clintons are known cheats and lairs.....

letting that women have the keys to the kingdom.... will suck big time, you watch.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
Whether or not Trump is a racist is a minor issue at this point. Trumps wholesale ignorance of constitutional law and economics is stunning.

To answer the question, I found Trumps attack on the Hispanic judge to be racist.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
And to John E.... be real- voting for the other candidates is a vote for Hillery Clinton.

Even in California

Like how you vote is going to matter. Hahahahahaha.


Curt
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:26pm PT
The Clintons are known cheats and lairs.....

You mean like the 90s, when unemployment declined and we weren't embroiled in any pointless wars?

You know you are voting for a big time cheat and liar yourself, right?

Also, someone who is a racist, and who in the last few weeks proposed backing out of Nato obligations, called on Russia to hack state department emails, is now encouraging supporters to protest his lost f against our finest tradition of peacefully and unhesitatingly conceding power when an electio. Is lost), and bashed the family of a fallen soldier. Great choice!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
guyman, if Hillary had said & done half of the things that your Donald has done, I'd be voting for Johnson/Weld, no problem.

See, I'm voting for someone, not against someone.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
If I was a normally very loyal Republican living in California I would still vote for Trump

because Hillary would just be continuation of that black SOB of a President we have

you know, the one who personally all by himself with no congressional help has stood in the way of a faster economic recovery than I would prefer

therefore I would vote for Trump because, being a Republican, he would support a return to Recession because, um, let me see, oh yeah, all those strangling "regulations" that Obama passed all by himself with no congressional support, blah and blah, and bullshit
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
If some disaster happens and Hillery becomes Prez.... I shudder at the thought... How long do you think it will be before she is impeached?

I mean she can't keep her story straight while testifying before congress. She will learn just like her husband learned that you can't do that lawyer thing and bend the truth while under oath before congress...

Now Trump might be impeached even faster but it will be more entertaining.......


and to Dirt... IMHO Bill was a fine president after he got a big rebuke in the midterm and sent Hillery home and then had to work with Newt. He became a good chief executive and started to make compromises..... shoot Bill Clinton after that was a really good president. IMHO.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
because Hillary would just be continuation of that black SOB of a President we have

You like to project don't you?

not even close, pal.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
Trump is exhibiting classic symptoms of a degenerative mental illness. He is becoming more and more divorced from reality, and making more and more absurd statements. For example, he has repeatedly denied that Russia would invade Crimea, an event that actually occurred in 2014.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-sanity-mental-health-000000384.html


Donald Trump is exhibiting encephalopathy (brain damage) caused by getting hit in the head too many times. His recent incomprehensible behavior, his bizarre public outbursts, and his wild, demented and paranoid tirades against various "enemies" are symptomatic of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.

Symptoms and signs of CTE/DP usually develop progressively, and only after a very long latent period, sometimes amounting to many decades. The condition afflicts many former football players, boxers and others who have had concussions. The condition is not well understood, but it is known that it can cause irrational, illogical, psychotic and pathological behavior.

The condition manifests as dementia, or declining mental ability. Patients with CTE/DP may be prone to inappropriate or explosive behavior and may display pathological jealousy or paranoia. They may exhibit other symptoms of dementia, such as memory loss, aggression, confusion and hallucinatory delusions. Again, the symptoms generally manifest only years or many decades after the trauma, and the encephalopathy can only be definitively diagnosed postmortem, during an autopsy. Odd, bizarre, anti-social and other dysfunctional behavior is sometimes the only symptom a person will exhibit.

It is clear that Donald Trump has some of these symptoms, and he has the athletic history to account for them. Trump was exiled by his father to an expensive, private military school reformatory when he was thirteen, and Trump redirected his seething, raging indignity of the injustice at his fellow cadet inmates and any other children he could attack, with impunity, on the football field. His large physical size, even bigger ego, intense hatred and a rabid, win-at-all-costs enthusiasm for gridiron brutality compelled his teammates to warily keep their distance, and to fearfully crown him Team Captain.

Back then, protective gear, like helmets and pads, were hardly protective at all. Trump’s battle helmet lacked sufficient padding, and might as well have been just a thin leather cap to prevent his scalp from being sheared from his skull during an especially spirited physical exchange. The long-term effects of concussions were unknown, and champion athletes - like a team captain, like a Trump - would play hyper-aggressively with reckless abandon. Football opponents would sprint towards each other head-first, colliding cranium to cranium at maximum velocity, with a wanton and almost suicidal disregard for such unmanly consequences as pain and suffering, injury and disfigurement. The team captain, by definition, would be the guy who was The Best, and the type of guy who might study the masculinity rituals of big-horn sheep to improve his game-day performance. Trump would crash concussively again and again into his opponents, both men equally crazed, foaming at the mouth, and eager to win the prize. Naturally, this sort of primal contest of mighty flesh powered by lunatic will-power would cause head injuries, concussions, and later, brain damage. A 1960’s military school football coach would have medically attended to an injured, semi-conscious, wobbly, senseless, dazed and confused player by yelling at him, "Shake if off! Get back out there!"

Only The Donald knows how many times he has staggered off the gridiron, in the wrong direction, tacking upwind like a sailboat, and hearing a faint, barely audible voice in the far, far distance (110 decibels and two inches from his ear) calling out, “Trump! Trump! Trump! What the hell are you doing? Get back out there!


Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
The truth is slowly leaking out....

Americans Against Insecure Billionaires with Tiny Hands PAC (this PAC really exists) is getting to the bottom the 'hand size' problem Trump has. More information to follow.

Madame Taussaud's Wax Museum in New York took tracings of the Big Guy's hands some years ago. Forensic investigation ongoing! This could be as big as Trump's investigation of Obama's birth certificate!!!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
And to John E.... be real- voting for the other candidates is a vote for Hillery Clinton.

So, you're going to vote for what you don't want, rather than what you want.

Weird.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
If some disaster happens and Hillery becomes Prez.... I shudder at the thought... How long do you think it will be before she is impeached?

I mean she can't keep her story straight while testifying before congress. She will learn just like her husband learned that you can't do that lawyer thing and bend the truth while under oath before congress...

Now Trump might be impeached even faster but it will be more entertaining.......

It's really baffling to me how someone could vote for Hillary - the shrieking, the lies, the corruption, and the contempt for the law.

I understand not liking Trump. But Hillary is so corrupt, you really want her in the f*#king exec branch?

Also troubling is how quickly people with 'conservative values' jumped on the Gary Johnson train. I don't dislike Gary, but you REALLY think he's better than Trump in our current crisis? If so, fine.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
and bashed the family of a fallen soldier.

Hilarious. The horror, the horror.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
Clint Eastwood commented on the Trump controversial comments by saying, "F*#king get over it".

Also called the current welfare/millennials the "pussy generation".
http://www.thewrap.com/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-racism/

Clint knows the common man, and speaks for us. I love Clint, because the dude is not acting when he says this stuff. It's just classic Clint. Classic American values.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
He should stick to directing.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
"Kids these days" gets old fast.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
c'mon winemaker!


post the video. OK, I will.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
Some day that pussy generation is going to cap your social security, run the homeless out of San Francisco, cut public assistance and double taxes. Because that's what the pussies will have to do to manage your and Clint Eastwood's debts.

They're much tougher than you think and thy are not constrained by boomer ideology nor Xer bittrness. Don't make Eastwood's tiresome mistake of comparing that generation to the Mythical Past That Never Was.

DMT


A couple of things, Johnson. My generation? My debt?

We did this? We (speaking for myself) keep things afloat while everything around us is crumbling. We're clinging on by finger-tips.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
Looks like I'll be staying Taos, NM...http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
It's really baffling to me how someone could vote for Hillary - the shrieking, the lies, the corruption, and the contempt for the law.

Got an example of a lie? Just wondering.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:32pm PT
Damn!!!!

Ya got me Nature. I was saving it!!!!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
And the White Nationalist party of Russ is dying...quickly. http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
couldn't happen to a "better" party.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
Wow, Bob, very good article. Well worth a read to those of you who do, actually, read sh#t. The Republican party does need to understand why they have support of the underclass who seem to vote against their best interests. I hadn't conceptualized it in quite the way this article does, but it makes huge sense.

Goldwater was an odd man, conservative in the economic sense, but liberal in the social sense. I've always thought he was maligned though glad he lost to Johnson. He was an honest and ethical man. Plus he had a tattoo.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:00pm PT
Got an example of a lie? Just wondering.


You do. Let's not play games. Everybody has the evidence. You decide.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
Johnson was a horrible President and a pure grade A sonofabitch. The U.S. would have fared far better had Goldwater won. He spilled so much f*#king blood, may he rot in the hell of peoples' memories.

DMT


True, but the fact remains that 8 years of Obama's America is not on my back, I'm just trying to stay alive and support my family.

ASSHOLES who keep supporting dem policies have failed. We will become Germany, and then Venezuela if we continue this way.

Trump is our best hope to turn this ship around, we're heading for trouble.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
Johnson was a horrible President and a pure grade A sonofabitch. The U.S. would have fared far better had Goldwater won. He spilled so much f*#king blood, may he rot in the hell of peoples' memories.


So Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford didn't spill any blood?

How about Robert Strange McNamara?

I was never a big fan of LBJ, but just as many if not more would have been spilled if Goldwater had been elected.

Get real dudes.





Uh ... duh



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
I'd be curious to know why Russ would vote for a guy who, on a visit to JTree and while shaking his hand, would be grabbing Suz's ass with the other hand and telling her she should dump the loser and go with a real winner.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
"Trump is our best hope to turn this ship around, we're heading for trouble."


And Obama approval rating is 53 percent, Hillary is 10 points up in the polls and the orange one is sinking like a lead weight.


Comparing Germany to Venezuela is really out there.


Your white nationalist party is dying a slow painful death. Good riddance.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
"Johnson was a horrible President and a pure grade A sonofabitch."

He inherit a mess and also did a number of good things that saved lives and made America a much better place socially.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
"Trump is our best hope to turn this ship around, we're heading for trouble."

Did LBJ say that?

Get read dudes.



He inherit a mess and also did a number of good things that saved lives and made America a much better place socially.

Did Trump say that?

Get read dudes.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
You do. Let's not play games. Everybody has the evidence. You decide.

I'll take that as a no.

LBJ was a disaster foreign policy wise. Vietnam was the nadir of the cold war. 50,000 of our kids killed. How many hundreds of thousands Vietnamese killed?

Domestically he was a good man, Civil Rights and the Great Society were all steps in the right direction. The war on poverty got me my first job with a paycheck while I was in high school. The Basic Educational Opportunity Grant and the Supplemental EOG paid for my college education. Of course, I f*#ked that up but still it gave me a chance.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/education.hom/Newsletters/Articles/the_teacher_president.shtm
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Russ the politard...who woulda thunk it
Tarnishing the legend 2016.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:20pm PT

Healyje quote
"I'd be curious to know why Russ would vote for a guy who, on a visit to JTree and while shaking his hand, would be grabbing Suz's ass with the other hand and telling her she should dump the loser and go with a real winner. "

HO MAN! LOL!!!!!!1111111 Best post on this thread. Am I the only one reading this sh#t? The rest of you must just be posting without reading other stuff. Holy smokes, I'm gonna be laughing for a while.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
Eisenhower = pretty good

Kennedy = piece of crap

Nixon = can't forgive the bombing campaign

Ford = an idiot

Pretty good at spilling blood, shitting blood, bombing the hell out of blood and too stupid to know what blood is?

Get realdudes.

What about the Frenchies?



zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:23pm PT

Lets get the names of these dudes and get a blood count.

Kennedy in the back row and Nixon obscured by De Gaulle.

Get real dudes.


And what about Harry Truman how much innocent civilian blood did he spill or doesn't it count if it superheated and evaporated.


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
"Spot on! Eisenhower was pretty good at spilling blood. He was a pretty good president too.

DMT"


But Johnson was a bad president for spilling blood?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
Are we talking bloodletting or presiding here?

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
oh yeah

get real dudes
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
Bluering! I must admit that I've always enjoyed Clint Eastwood movies & even his more recent moves towards becoming a right-wing icon haven't bothered me.

However, I don't consider him a role-model, like you apparently do:

Clint knows the common man, and speaks for us. I love Clint, because the dude is not acting when he says this stuff. It's just classic Clint. Classic American values.


Here's a scene from a Clint movie that may have inspired the thoughts you shared here last night:

You betcha! This will be the year of the Nationalist. As in, let's start worrying about our own sh#t for a while. We have a lot of work to do here in this country.

I know the N-word scares lot of people, but having pride in your country is 'no vice'.

Who said, "I will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, but let me also say, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".


Hang 'Em High

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HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:37pm PT
“Trump wants to cut taxes for the super-rich,” Clinton told the jeering crowd. “Well we’re not going there, my friends. I’m telling you right now, we’re going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we are going to raise taxes on the middle class!”
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
Trump is our best hope to turn this ship around, we're heading for trouble.

Blu what part of the picture of a thousand words below don't you understand and what part of what he has been tweeting from his shitter are you dismissing??? You've been conned by a NY developer who could care less about you, your family, all of us and the world, it's all about him. He is a taker and you've swollowed his bate hook line and sinker.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
But Johnson was a bad president for spilling blood?

Eisenhower spilled fascist blood. And for good reason. JFK, LBJ, and Nixon killed for bull sh#t politics.

He gave a speech to the graduating class at Sandhurst, after hearing that even pacifist me wanted to go kill fascists bastards.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
40 years too late, though. Oh, how I envied Miss Pavlichenko.

The whole world will love her for a long time to come,
For more than three hundred fascists fell by your gun

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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
"You've been conned by a NY developer who could care less about you, your family, all of us and the world, it's all about him. He is a taker and you've swollowed his bate hook line and sinker. "

Typical angry white people to dumb to realize they are being duped.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy

Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

This had a double effect, Roy says. First, it forced black voters out of the GOP. Second, it invited in white racists who had previously been Democrats. Even though many Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act in Congress, the post-Goldwater party became the party of aggrieved whites.

“The fact is, today, the Republican coalition has inherited the people who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 — the Southern Democrats who are now Republicans,” Roy says. “Conservatives and Republicans have not come to terms with that problem.”

so the old Dixiecrats are now Republicans?
Where have I heard that before.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
Get real dudes

A choice (to die), not an echo.




Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
Wow!!! This is like a wildfire with 45 mph winds and 100° temps. All I did was mention Goldwater.........

Johnson was a Texas SOB who had no compunction about using power or talking about his butthole. He didn't run for re-election. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Nixon actually, to the chagrin of current Republicans, started the EPA. Maybe the current Repubs should think out of the box a bit.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html



Lead the country like he leads his companies.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:58pm PT
George Will Confirms Nixon's Vietnam Treason

Looks like Nixon sabotaged the peace agreement that LBJ brokered, and the war intensified after Nixon's intervention.
All those dead are blood on Nixon's hands


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason

Nixon's newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them to refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson.

Nixon's interference with these negotiations violated President John Adams's 1797 Logan Act, banning private citizens from intruding into official government negotiations with a foreign nation.

Published as the 40th Anniversary of Nixon's resignation approaches, Will's column confirms that Nixon feared public disclosure of his role in sabotaging the 1968 Vietnam peace talks. Will says Nixon established a "plumbers unit" to stop potential leaks of information that might damage him, including documentation that he believed was held by the Brookings Institute, a liberal think tank. The Plumbers' later break-in at the Democratic National Committee led to the Watergate scandal that brought Nixon down.

Nixon's sabotage of the Vietnam peace talks was confirmed by transcripts of FBI wiretaps. On November 2, 1968, LBJ received an FBI report saying Chernnault told the South Vietnamese ambassador that "she had received a message from her boss: saying the Vietnamese should "hold on, we are gonna win."

As Will confirms, Vietnamese did "hold on," the war proceeded and Nixon did win, changing forever the face of American politics—with the shadow of treason permanently embedded in its DNA.

The treason came in 1968 as the Vietnam War reached a critical turning point. President Lyndon Johnson was desperate for a truce between North and South Vietnam.

Johnson had it all but wrapped it. With a combination of gentle and iron-fisted persuasion, he forced the leaders of South Vietnam into an all-but-final agreement with the North. A cease-fire was imminent.

But at the last minute, the South Vietnamese pulled out. LBJ suspected Nixon had intervened to stop them from signing a peace treaty.

more at link
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
Johnson did much good, but there's a lot of blood on his, ours, hands.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:04pm PT

Eisenhower spilled fascist blood.

Yes, but U.S. in Viet Nam started with Ike. However, he was a WWII hero and warned against the M-I complex.

I do like Ike.


Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:13pm PT
yes, President Johnson did escalate the Vietnam War

clearly he felt he was doing the right thing to protect America from Communism, by the late 1960's a lot of this country felt the cost was not worth it

but what he did get right was his championing and passing of both the Civil Rights Act
and also Medicare - both fantastic programs that lifted millions of out poverty and greatly improved American lives

so make fun of him, call him a failure and say he did nothing for America all you want, it is fun to criticize, makes you feel superior, tens of millions disagree with you
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
Well, no punches pulled here. ".......being a loud mouthed dick, basically...." Nailed it. This is getting to be almost as good as Klimmer.

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Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
I'm all for Ike's Presidential accomplishments here:

Domestic accomplishments of President Eisenhower:

› Launched the Interstate Highway System,

the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA),

and the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA),

and established a strong science education via the National Defense Education Act

› Sent federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas for the first time since Reconstruction to enforce federal court orders to desegregate public schools

› Signed civil rights legislation in 1957 and 1960 to protect the right to vote by African-Americans

› Opposed Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy and contributed to the end of McCarthyism by openly invoking the modern expanded version of executive privilege

It appears that Ike would be banished from our current Republican party for being progressive, science-oriented, & pro-integration.

Sigh, I was a young Republican back in that now-lost era of progressive Republicans.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
yes, President Johnson did escalate the Vietnam War

clearly he felt he was doing the right thing to protect America from Communism, by the late 1960's a lot of this country felt the cost was not worth it

Whaaat?

Go read what Robert Strange McNamara had to say about the US in VeetNam.

Is anyone gonna support nuking the Middle East (or better yet neutroning it) when Trump becomes Der Herr and returns the US to it's 1960's greatness?



Get fukking real dudes.









Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
"Says the failed bartender and bouncer who never really made it in the USA. Pull your head out dood and quit trying to get free stuff!"



Where do you get your lies?

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
Don't forget Nixon, Fritz:
Clean Water Act
Clean Air Act
Endangered Species act

What a commie...

Whereas the parties used to be bookends of one another, keeping the country together at either end, now the Party of Lincoln has really spun off into delusion and anger. Even someone relatively sane and composed looking like Ryan can, with a straight face, pitch a budget as good for the country that rolls back most of the regulation to safeguard the air, water and other consumer protections. Pity many of them don't see it.
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
People who talk for a living or suck the governments dick vote for Hillary. People who work for a living or fight for our freedom vote for Trump. Democrats have put California in $300,000,000,000 debt for GOVERNMENT WORKERS PENSIONS! Thats what liberal democrats do. But they claim we have enough money to build a bullet train to nowhere. For the $100,000,000,000 price of that we could put 4000 watts of solar on every residence in California. But the Democrats cant do math and dont want green energy, they want money. Liberal Democrats on the San Mateo County board of supervisors pay themselves $668,000 a year for a part time job, while their constituents average $80,000. Selling us on social engineering and white guilt, the liberals have distracted most voters into ignoring the real issues like income inequality, government intrusion, and overregulation. Obama desecrates the memory and honor of brave soldiers by wasting their blood defending "American interests" (Saudis, oil companies) abroad. His Pan Pacific Partnership promotes slavery in places like Indonesia while eliminating jobs in the U.S. Thats what the cosmopolitan liberals want to do. They are getting rich selling short on the United States and giving our Nation away to the global elites. The liberals even tell us where to take a piss! Meanwhile they are becoming a government aristocracy like the Court of King Louis XVI. But Louis and Marie got what they deserved. The French made bets on how far down the gutter their blood would run when they CHOPPED THEIR HEADS OFF!!!!!! Vote for Hillary, eat cake (gruel). Vote for Trump and get up off your ass and get a job!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
Pretty much says it all, peace and out.

The unholy trinity.

Get real dudes,

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Video/ap_week_in_review_roku_tl_140417.jpg
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
The Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation: just like Jim and Tammy Baker, only the Clintons have Billions, not Millions. SEIZE THEM!!!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:56pm PT
Oh, Chainsaw, I thought that you were for eliminating gov't intrusion into people's lives, but now we see you want to use the power of the Gov't to attack those you oppose.

Ah, the technique of Nixon. When will you be drawing up your "enemies list?"
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:01pm PT
To be fair, some people do change their political opinions or drugs.

Chainsaw tonight:

Aug 3, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
People who talk for a living or suck the governments dick vote for Hillary. People who work for a living or fight for our freedom vote for Trump. Democrats have put California in $300,000,000,000 debt for GOVERNMENT WORKERS PENSIONS! Thats what liberal democrats do. But they claim we have enough money to build a bullet train to nowhere. For the $100,000,000,000 price of that we could put 4000 watts of solar on every residence in California. But the Democrats cant do math and dont want green energy, they want money. Liberal Democrats on the San Mateo County board of supervisors pay themselves $668,000 a year for a part time job, while their constituents average $80,000. Selling us on social engineering and white guilt, the liberals have distracted most voters into ignoring the real issues like income inequality, government intrusion, and overregulation. Obama desecrates the memory and honor of brave soldiers by wasting their blood defending "American interests" (Saudis, oil companies) abroad. His Pan Pacific Partnership promotes slavery in places like Indonesia while eliminating jobs in the U.S. Thats what the cosmopolitan liberals want to do. They are getting rich selling short on the United States and giving our Nation away to the global elites. The liberals even tell us where to take a piss! Meanwhile they are becoming a government aristocracy like the Court of King Louis XVI. But Louis and Marie got what they deserved. The French made bets on how far down the gutter their blood would run when they CHOPPED THEIR HEADS OFF!!!!!! Vote for Hillary, eat cake (gruel). Vote for Trump and get up off your ass and get a job!

Chainsaw a few years back:

Oct 9, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
Sad that people attack Obama on everything. The town hallers remind me a lot of Nazis in 1938 screaming about National "Jewery." The Republicans are no different with their "I got mine" attitude. This is the new Social Darwinism if the there ever was such a thing. The monkey in these people speaks so much louder than the man, I wonder how they can call themselves Christians. The bookworm blogger sounds like he thinks peace prizes go to those who fire missles and drop bombs. Simillarly, he thinks Obama sucks for "doing nothing." Fact is that Sun Tzu, ('The Art of War') wrote 2400 years ago that sometimes avoiding the temptation to act rashly is the wisest strategy and that peace cannot be achieved through violence. Rather, inspiration and living by example are "The Way," the Tao of leadership..... it is better to save a country than to destroy it. It is better to save a city than destroy it. It is better to save a man than kill him. True strength comes from discipline, not temper tantrums like what bookworm rants.
Sun Tzu said that "never engage in protracted warfare because it impoverishes the state. Instead, lead by example and when their people follow your leaders example instead of their own, you have conquered their hearts from within without ever raising a sword, killing or wasting money. When their hearts are won, their minds and bodies and eventually their whole nation will follow." He also said, "Never put your opponent on Dying ground, for there they will fight harder than your soldiers ever could and you cannot beat them." These words couldn't be more relevant today. Obama deserves the peace prize for not acting the fool and rushing in like his immature, unwise, uneducated, insecure little worm of a coke head C-student predecessor.

The Saw


Change is the nature of life, but I thought Conservative's values never change, no-matter what.







Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
Ha ha ha ha. I'm going to bed.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
People who suck the governments dick

So, basically all the red states.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:19pm PT
Change is the nature of life, but I thought Conservative's values never change, no-matter what.

Only when it's expedient.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
Johnson was a horrible President and a pure grade A sonofabitch.

Then vote Trump. He'll undoubtedly undo all that civil rights BS that Johnson enacted.

Curt
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:30pm PT


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon

Aug 3, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
People who suck the governments dick

So, basically all the red states.

and the blue states are sucking a tit.

what's your point?

or is it some sorta sexual insinuation sorta somethin?
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 11:37pm PT
You are right Fritz. I did write that. I really wanted Obama to be a great president. I believed in Obamacare. I was pleased that we had advanced socially enough to elect a black man to be president. I thought the war would end. And the Republicans still disgust me. I voted for Nader. Neither party is worth voting for. But Obamacare turned out to be forced consumption of Insurance companies concoction. No money for health care should go to those pencil pushing users. And racial tensions are higher now than ever in my lifetime. We are still at war. Twenty-five years without a congressional declaration.
I must admit, the Republicans capitalized on the war more than anyone. And they helped Wall Street and Halliburton to rape us workiing class folk. Now the Democrats are doing the same. The reason I like Trump is because he is stirring up dust in both parties. Im sorry I conjured the "us and them" defensive kill your enemies stance. Its hard not to be angry when youre in my shoes. I work alot in North Sacramento Schools. So I have a pretty clear view of what liberal policy in California Schools has yielded. Ive been assulted many times in the classroom and elsewhere on campus. Teaching as a substitute is like painting a target on your chest in North Sac. And Im a very different person when I work with kids than when I post to this adult forum. I deserve the criticism Ive received here. I dont deserve to be the object of anyones hate in my classroom. Ive had to use my body as a human shield to protect students from gangbangers "chimping out." My clothes get torn up. I get peoples blood on me. And theres no limit to how vulgar and crude some kids can be when they feel "entitled" to dump their trash on me because Im "white." And it breaks my heart! Im a multi-cultural and open minded teacher. I once taught a semester of Ninth Grade English at Grant Highschool. My top student told me how he hated the way so many kids did dope. His father died of a heroin overdose in front of him. When I asked him where he will attend college he replied confidently "Harvard or Yale." I pray that he has made it. I believe that he can. This young black man also said that he would have nothing to do with affirmative action and would "decline to state" his cultural identity. He didnt want or need a handout from anyone. The Kid earned an A+. Out of 180 students, Only two of my students got A+. The other A+ went to a young woman whos brother got expelled bringing a loaded gun to campus in his backpack.
I guess the point Im making here is that we should look to their future. And neither political party cares about that. Its time for a real reformer. And yes Trump acts like an aspergers ass sometimes. But this isnt a Miss Congeniality contest. This is a chance to disrupt both crooked parties. When the dust settles, we can all learn to get along again.....
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:45am PT
Credit Saw for being optimistic about change. He make some good points in his rant, (about green energy, trade promoting slave labor, etc.) though that gets lost in the 'smoke dick' commentary. Also, Obama could have accomplished substantially more if one half of Congress hadn't spent that last eight years essentially opposing the legitimacy of his presidency and every goal he hoped to accomplish. The system is just broken.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:11am PT
"What's your point?"

The point blueblockr, is that red states suck more federal money and contribute less than blue states. All the while pretending that they are the hard working Americans and want to get rid of all those freeloading Democrats. How could you miss the point?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Radical, good luck.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:32am PT
The point blueblockr, is that red states suck more federal money and contribute less than blue states. All the while pretending that they are the hard working Americans and want to get rid of all those freeloading Democrats. How could you miss the point?

All the more reason to not support Republicrats or Demotards
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:33am PT

Don't forget Nixon, Fritz:
Clean Water Act

I credit Nixon for establishing the EPA, but he vetoed the Clean Water Act on Oct. 17, 1972. The senate overrode the veto the same day.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:38am PT

Who said, "I will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, but let me also say, moderation in the

Barry Goldwater.

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed

This is another quote from Goldwater, and pretty appropriate at this time.
As Goldwater aged, he became more moderate. He probably would be considered a RINO in today's GOP.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:40am PT
Chainsaw.... +1

Good history Lesson from you other guys, THX.

Its a good thing to remember what has gone on before, helps you see it coming again.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:55am PT
Chainsaw knows the problems, but he doesn't know the cause. Trump isn't the solution, he's part of the problem.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:56am PT
"and the blue states are sucking a tit."

Not really....actually, it's the other way around:




Chainsaw, you are obviously intelligent enough to articulate the issues...that same intelligence should make clear how wrong Trump is for any leadership role.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:14am PT
^^^ why do red states still defend their policies when apogees chart shows this????
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:22am PT
Most of the Red States receiving Federal Funds have large enclaves of either BLM, National Forest, and National Parks, which causes the funding to appear skewed. It costs dollars in local economies to pay for Rangers, fire crews, road maintenance, etc. Not that the locals are receiving handouts.

As an additional comment: several of these states have large Indian Reservations (Montana, New Mexico), which are financial Black Holes for the Federal Dollars.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:30am PT
Here's why Hillary is so popular with the Middle Class:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:30am PT
I still can't believe that people don't understand the point of the Trump candidacy. He's a very effective Clinton dirty trick. He has no intention of winning, and every intention of helping the Democrats retake the House and Senate. He's our best hope of running the ship of state aground, not of turning it around.

The only hope is to put a climber in the White House.

Vote Johnson/Weld.

John
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:32am PT
When Trump wins??? What, is he going bankrupt again??

why do red states still defend their policies when apogees chart shows this????


The irony is just amazing isn't it.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:35am PT
Most of the Red States receiving Federal Funds have large enclaves of either BLM, National Forest, and National Parks, which causes the funding to appear skewed

Unless there was an actual federal land grab, red states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, Nebraska, Kansas, etc. have little federal land.

Oregon, Washington, and Kalidornia have lots of public land.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:39am PT
Shoot I'm more than happy to pay my fair share!!!!


Yes, Please increase my taxes, its only fair and I know that the dem's will take such good care of it and spend it wisely and make sure it will do some good.



JE ... the wise and brilliant leaders of the Republican party must go...they deserve it.

I'm not surprised that Trump will not endorse Ryan .... Ryan has not endorsed Trump in any real way. Turn around is fair play.

That party must die before a new one will appear, maybe they can keep out the crazy religious nuts and get to a point where the real issues get the attention.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:40am PT
I find it "interesting" that the entire Bush clan is backing Gary Johnson. A reason which I find disconcerting. Anything to divert votes from Trump, I suppose.

Let me state this: Donald may be a real dick, but he doesn't represent Goldman Sachs the way Hillary does. Or the same way Jeb Bush would have, or Ted Cruz for that matter.

I stated at the outset that I would not vote for anyone named either Bush or Clinton. I see Gary Johnson as a Bush surrogate. I would have voted for Bernie, had he received the nomination--stolen from him by DWS and HRC. I'll just take a stiff shot of Scotch and vote for Donald; hoping for the best, and avoiding the worst.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:40am PT
One other thing -- Trump is a creation of - and for - the media. And I don't mean just the "mainstream" media. The Sean Hannitys and Ruch Limbaughs of the world need disaster to sustain their listeners. Who wants to listen to perpetually angry people if things are going well?

As to the "mainstream" media, Trump is the perfect foil to distract attention from embarrassing news events for the left. With Trump's continuing outrages, they can spend 50 times the time on Trump's feud with Khan than they spend on Clinton's goons' disparagement of Pat Smith, or of the planeload of cash flown to Iran, or the "coincidental"abnormally large speaking fees to Bill Clinton by persons, entities and countries that simultaneously received favorable treatment from Hillary Clinton's State Deparatment.

The media's performance in this campaign has about as much accuracy and fairness as that of the media leading up to the Spanish-American War. Unless the Trumpettes really just want Clinton to win, they need to wise up and abandon Trump for a real leader capable of effective change.

Put a climber in the White House.

Vote Johnson/Weld.

John
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:40am PT
I still can't believe that people don't understand the point of the Trump candidacy. He's a very effective Clinton dirty trick. He has no intention of winning, and every intention of helping the Democrats retake the House and Senate.

How did Klimmer take over JE's supertopo account?

Curt
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:42am PT
" What, is he going bankrupt again??"


Wed Aug 3, 2016 5:35pm
Icahn to close Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-atlantic-city-casino-idUSKCN10E2DL


Maybe, maybe not...but you can be sure everybody who worked at this casino is gonna get the short end of the stick...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:42am PT
"One other thing -- Trump is a creation of - and for - the media. And I don't mean just the "mainstream" media. The Sean Hannitys and Ruch Limbaughs of the world need disaster to sustain their listeners."



John E...funny the republican party doesn't take responsibility for Trump, they made him, they own him. He belongs to your party. He is yours and yours only.


guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:43am PT
Right on Brokedown ..... I knew what sh#t sandwich I was going to take a bite out of and that was the Republican sh#t.

The Hillery sh#t tastes the worst ever.... so I have been told.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:44am PT
Curt, I've contended this [that the Trump candidacy will elect Hillary Clinton] from the git-go. I'm not saying Clinton is doing this intentionally, either. I'm just saying it has that effect - and I wouldn't put it past Trump to contend that is what he was doing when he crashes so spectacularly. After all, he can't admit error or failure.

I predicted that the media would go easy on him until he got the nomination, then bury him. The Republican leadership, already under assault from the likes of the Heritage Foundation, was too weakened to combat him effectively, particularly without media scrutiny of Trump's insanity.

And I doubt Klimmer would support Johnson, because Johnson does not support government social control over things like abortion, or prayer in schools (which will always exist as long as there are tests, but that's a different story), etc. Of course, I still don't see how evangelicals can support an owner of casinos and strip clubs, either.

Populism simply does not belong in the Republican party.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:49am PT
Yeah, one of my best friends (a lifelong Republican) contends the same thing, John, and has said so for many months. He's a little more 'black helicopter' about it, though, thinking that when Trump bails or loses badly, Clinton will be kicking down some serious benefits to him ($$ or political or both).


Funny thing is that the GOP was either duped or blind to this reality...and even sadder that a huge number of Republican voters are falling for it hook, line & sinker. (Right, guyman?)
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:50am PT
John-

By the way, I never voted for either Bush, not Clinton , nor Obama. I voted 3rd Party each time. I call myself a Constitutionalist Libertarian, but Johnson is a bit too far off the traditional Libertarian drift for me to unconditionally support him. I feel suspicious of the Bush influence, and suspect that the Establishment is simply using his candidacy to indirectly assist the Goldman Sachs candidate.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:01am PT
I predicted that the media would go easy on him until he got the nomination, then bury him. The Republican leadership, already under assault from the likes of the Heritage Foundation, was too weakened to combat him effectively, particularly without media scrutiny of Trump's insanity.


They had 13 months to call him out on his bullsh#t, insults, name calling, Muslim ban and so on.

They own him, plain and simple.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:04am PT
By the way, I started life as a Registered Democrat. Met and shook hands with the last decent one as president: JFK. I continued and voted for LBJ, all the way through Jimmy Carter. I then "grew up' after the walking, living, and breathing disaster of his presidency through the Iran hostage episode. Voted twice for Ronaldus magnus, but couldn't bring myself to pull the lever for George Herbert Walker BUSH. Another dickhead. Clinton I? Nope. Clinton I for second term? Nope. GWB? Nope; not either time. McCain? Nope; Obama: nope. All the recent choices have been repugnant to me. For this election, it boils down to either Johnson or Trump, but I'm suspicious of the Bush support behind Johnson. I thought Bernie was by far the better Demo candidate, at least as far as honesty and integrity are concerned.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:05am PT
Johnson had no problem taking federal money while governor of New Mexico.


He also would have no problem sending seniors into poverty.

Also wants to raise the retirement age to 70-72. WTF?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:09am PT
Bob, the leadership doesn't own him. Just look at the icy relationship between Ryan - a true conservative - a Trump. But the party, sad to say, owns him. That so many Republican primary voters ignored the warnings of leadership and the few responsible conservative media outlets such as the Wall Street Journal shows the wisdom of the Democrats with their superdelegates and active efforts to discredit Sanders' candidacy.

Jefferson Davis, frustrated with the inability of the Confederate central government to force the Confederate States to act in concert, famously said that if the Confederacy lost the Civil War, its epitaph should read "Died of an idea," [i.e. the primacy of states' rights].

The Republican epitaph after this election should read, "Died from lack of an idea" [since anger is an emotion, not an idea].

John
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:18am PT
I predicted my car would start this morning

christ
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:24am PT
Russ, you sly devil! Now you've sucked me into this thread, too.

Norton, is your point that the Trumpian disaster is as apparent as your car starting this morning?

;-)

John
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:35am PT
The Republican epitaph after this election should read, "Died from lack of an idea" [since anger is an emotion, not an idea].

Good one, but I think it was from "being completely tone deaf" to the wishes of a sizable majority of the party.


And App....I didn't take it "hook line and sinker".... I just looked at who was running and what they say they would work for.... And for me thats Trump, despite all of the medias reporting of his many flaws. None of the other Republicans would work for fixing the immigration problem or lead us internationally the way I think we should go.

Jeb!, Kasich, Cruz, Rubio or any of the forgettable and laughable characters who were running for it could not even "get it up" in a debate.... they all talk tough NOW, but its a day late and more that a few dollars short.

dirtbag

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:41am PT
Remember the end of Ghostbusters I when Zool says, "Choose the form of the destructor!" and the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man pops into Akroyd's head?

My wife and I joke that this election is a lot like that. You know that the current form of the Republican Party (nationally, at least), which checked out of governing long ago and became centered around catering to the angry kooks, would crack up sooner or later. And along comes trump, just as improbable and ridiculous as the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, but just as destructive.

Republicans chose the form of their destructor.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 11:45am PT
Hey!

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or I will wack this thread.

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Ps: In the event of multiple payments, they will not be disclosed and the excess will be spent on liquor. You may need to pay again in the future. That is how it goes with #ThreadTerrorists
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:46am PT
And App....I didn't take it "hook line and sinker".... I just looked at who was running and what they say they would work for.... And for me thats Trump, despite all of the medias reporting of his many flaws. None of the other Republicans would work for fixing the immigration problem or lead us internationally the way I think we should go.

But, you and many Trump supporters did fall for Trump's BS hook, line and sinker. You mention immigration--and that's a great example. We do not currently have a problem with illegal immigration from Mexico. In fact, over the last 8 years, more illegal Mexicans have left the US than have come here.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

What is Trump's wall for? To keep them from leaving?

Curt

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:51am PT
Just saw a strange report that may have been an assassination attempt on Donald:

A "dead FBI agent" was found and apprehended by the Secret Service in Trump Tower, New York. The suspect was carrying a suppressed Glock pistol, which the NYPD described as "far too sophisticated for their pay grades." When fingerprinted, the suspect was identified as Barry Lee Bush, a Newark, NJ FBI agent who has been deceased since 2007. That name abruptly disappeared from the list of agents killed in the line of duty within minutes. He had apparently been killed by an accidental firearm discharge during an attempted bank robbery in 2007.

WTF gives here. The Glock Pistol was "sterile,' devoid of any serial number or other identifying markings--a type of firearm supplied to clandestine government agencies.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:51am PT
"Bob, the leadership doesn't own him. Just look at the icy relationship between Ryan - a true conservative - a Trump"


Where was Paul Ryan 13 months ago? Paul Ryan is a coward.


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
I guess this raises the Question why Trump was harboring a "dead FBI agent" with an assasin's gun in his apartment building.

Who else is in that building?

( I mean besides Chuck bBazer's unruly cats , of course...
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
Apparently he was arrested for trespassing, possession of an illegal weapon and illegal silencer. Not "harboring" as lamely suggested above. The only folks capable of obtaining such "sterile" weapons usually have just 3 letters in their names.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
"Who else is in that building?"

It is no coincidence that elvis disappeared about the same time as trump began his rise. Likely donny has devised a brainlink to tap into the king's energy.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
"...they all talk tough NOW, but its a day late and more that a few dollars short. "


They were only a few dollars short because those of you with hook, line & sinkers down your gullet sent your money to Trump....
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
I've got family in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

So I think I'm all set when the Trumpster Fire takes over the White House.

Looking forward to better soccer, hotter chix, unbeatable Malbecs, and a beautiful comsmopolitan city.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
Whereabout in Buenos Aires, Coach? I have several cousins there, most of whom have visited me here, with standing invitations to visit them there.

John
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:48pm PT

I like a lot of you guys, just saying..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
If Trump makes it, I'll look forward to hotter chix in the WH & his cabinet, and will be sucking back a lot of Malbec, while I watch him nuke beautiful cosmopolitan cities around the world.

I'm not going anywhere in such an event, but I'll definitely be buying more gunz & ammo.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 4, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
I'm actually thinking about Montevideo; a short flight across the Plate from BA.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
The duck hunting is better in Gualeguay. (Entre Rios)
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
When Trumposaurus wins, will Howie Stern become his choice for Secretary of State?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
Things continue to look pretty good....

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
Good one, but I think it was from "being completely tone deaf" to the wishes of a sizable majority of the party.

The Republicans turned out in record numbers in the primaries, yes. But Trump did not get a sizable majority in any state. He averaged about 2/5ths. The other 3/5ths was split among too many other candidates. By the time the field was whittled down it was over.

So the logical conclusion to draw from the record turnouts is that the majority were motivated to vote against Trump.

I like your sh*t sandwich analogy. This election proves that scum floats.

The Reps should have run Rubio. He'd flatten Clinton. So if your position is anyone but Clinton, he'd have been your man. I can't see anything now that can save the Trump campaign. He can't get any moderate voters now, or independents. They'll either sit it out (his only hope other than a new bigger Clinton scandal) or vote for Clinton.

But what really galls me is that he has ignored the down ticket candidates. The nominee is pro forma leader of the party, and should have been out there campaigning for other Republicans. Not that they want him now.

But I think that even most liberals, were they to really think about it, would see the danger in the Dems having the White House, Congress, and the Court all at once. I fear this is where we are heading.

So which sandwich? I am beginning to think the best possible outcome with the cards we are dealt is for Clinton to win the white house and the Republicans to hold the House and take the Senate. If she's anything like old Bill, she'll be much better at dealing with Congress than Pres. Obama. Both sides will have to give and take, and the bus won't go off the cliff.

And there is no way she'll be able to run for a second term.

So after all that blah blah blah, we all know that anything can, and probably will happen before Nov. Happy times.
sowr

Trad climber
CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:41pm PT
I'm thinking Slovenia is probably a good place to move to - when all of Melania's commie relatives show up to live in the Whitehouse. Wow - the first Lady will be a commie - how's that going to sit with the right-wing dinosaurs?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
It should have been us, man...

nah, we would not have survived even mild vetting

too many people would have come forward with damaging tales to tell...

I did this with Norton in 1996 and Locker did that in 1983

truth is, we were pre-f*#ked....best we keep a low profile a Uge while longer....
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
Co Gubbies!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
Amazing to watch the republicans fumble in trying to explain how Trump got to where he is.


Even funnier to think Rubio would be the right choice to beat Hillary.

No wonder the party is where it is.



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 4, 2016 - 01:59pm PT
Kris...http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/08/trump-scores-historic-13-million-gop-primary-vote-blowout-with-california-win/




He got 13 million votes, most ever by a republican candidate. He is your party.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
The Sean Hannitys and Ruch Limbaughs of the world need disaster to sustain their listeners."

a trump presidency would be the worst thing for right wing radio.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
You don't understand, 10b4me. When Trump presided over the inevitable disaster, the radio pundits could say he's not a true conservative, e.g., "We just wanted to get rid of the RINO leadership in the House and Senate. We didn't mean him!" All they need is a cause for complaining. Not a rational cause for complaining.

John
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
Bob, Nationally, 29M Reps voted. 13M is not a majority.

Yes, he won Ca. I wasn't paying attention.

You keep saying it's my party. I'm not registered Republican. I do think it is very important to have at least one opposition party. Our system of government is by nature adversarial. If one group gets their hands on all the levers of power bad things will happen.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
I may need to reconsider my opinion of Clinton's dishonesty. She promised to raise taxes on the middle class at a rally today. The audience (and, most likely, the press) didn't seem to notice.

John
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
Ransom has been paid!!!

This thread will live on. And of course it was a Republican that paid, since those Democats just want free stuff but don't want to actually pay for it. Philanthropy is all Republican and you can look it up. The tight wallet Dems are just takers, not givers. FACT.

(this does not mean another ransom will not be requested in the future. That is the way #ThreadTerrorists operate.

Thanks for the payment... it will be put to good use!
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
John, surely you are trolling or making a joke?

you do not realize that humans, even politicians, are very capable of speaking and having the words not come out the way intended?

perhaps this from Snopes will help you understand?

Given the context of her statement and the audience's positive reaction to it, it appears that Clinton actually said "we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class," but either she didn't fully enunciate the ending of the word "aren't" or the word didn't come through clearly on the audio recording (or both). Worst case, she simply misspoke and said "are" when she meant "aren't," because she has not announced any changes to her tax platform or said on any other occasion that she plans to raise taxes on the middle class and not the wealthy.

but yes John, perhaps it IS time you "reconsidered" voting for Hillary

you seem to be more comfortable in your natural state - believing the worst about both Democrats and Democratic legislation

O.D.

Trad climber
LA LA Land
Aug 4, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
Difficult choices lie ahead...

Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
Here is a good example of possible bias, of wanting to believe the worst about someone.

This photo clearly shows Mr. Trump not joining his fellow Republicans in honoring the America flag during a debate ceremony.

Or does it?

Now, IF one was predisposed through their own personal dislike of his party or Mr. Trump's hair it could be easily seen as an act of extreme "hatred of America" or very unpatriotic or all kinds of ugly conclusions.

However those who may possess say a tad deeper intellect would give this matter a little more thought before reacting irrationally and emotionally and simply conclude that Mr. Trump may have been the first to drop his hand from his heart at the conclusion of the anthem, or what other reasonable explanation.


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 4, 2016 - 03:44pm PT
Question:. Is Trump still a loudmouth dick?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 4, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
Norton that is a great observation. And of course that sword cuts both ways.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 4, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
Is Cruz going for a gun?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 4, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
No worries, he's white. It's that other feller you need to watch out for.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
Carson is lucky to be alive with that kind of reaching action.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Aug 4, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
Here ya go.

You can now compare your hand to the Donald's teeny digits.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Meena/TrumpsHand-outline.pdf
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 4, 2016 - 05:21pm PT

Lincoln must have been part sasquatch.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 05:33pm PT
Wow. I got it goin' on with Lincoln.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
when Trump bails or loses badly, Clinton will be kicking down some serious benefits to him ($$ or political or both).

Definitely. Going to name him ambassador to Mexico.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
the Donald camp said Captain Humayun Khan died because Obama and Hillary changed the rules of engagement.

That would have been a neat trick, since he died June 8, 2004 during the Bush administration.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
Why is the khan family attacking trump when Clinton voted to go to war? She is also advocating more support for the "rebels" which will only result in more bloodshed
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
That would have been a neat trick

^^^Hahahahahaha

i know you love the humor of it all;)

it's like a jerry springer gone really bad.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
Nope . I am disgusted the us is supporting Islamic terrorist groups called "rebels" by us propaganda that have caused the biggest displacement of humans in history. Not to mention it's illegal and one of the groups just got caught beheading s boy. That's shameful
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
Jesus you trump supporters have to be feeling pretty f*#king stupid tonight.

it's part of the plot..nor he or she are capable of standing on top for 90 more days! bet on randomness and luck. around day 9 we should know who's heaped the more manure.



Applies to the winning candidate. Others on Request
Hillary Clinton 2/7
Donald Trump 5/2
Gary Johnson 100/1
Jill Stein 500/1

vegas baby
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:31pm PT
And they believe what they are going to believe, facts be damned.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:38pm PT
it goes for both sides apogee.

do you really consider yurself a winner?

we're all independently fucing the system..
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:46pm PT
it goes for both sides

Hmmm. Except over the past sixty years one side has progressively confused politics with simply making sh#t up and trump is the entirely predictable and inevitable result of that long, reality-bending campaign of intertwined fear and hate.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 11:54pm PT
blu, it comes down to this for me:

Which candidate is more likely to support the issues that matter most to me? And has the ability to actually make some....any...progress with them?

That makes the choice very clear, in spite of the shortcomings.


Can any Trumpette say the same thing?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:03am PT
Do cult members realize when their chosen religion goes from giving them candy to banging them in the kiester ?

Therein lies the entire scope of republican strategy of the past sixty years - make people afraid, indignant and enraged over social issues to the point where they will reliably vote against their own economic self-interest.
EdBannister

Mountain climber
13,000 feet
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:05am PT
AS PER NORMAL

RUSS MAKES US LAUGH.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:53am PT
it's like a jerry springer gone really bad.


Trump's farcical Run For The Oval is more like The Gilligan Springer Show.







Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:09am PT
Wow...254,000 jobs added in July, don't you miss the days of 700,000 jobs loss?
Gimp

Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:14am PT
When you read employment headlines etc always realize the authors pick a number to support a side based on political alliance of that new agency or in power party.
Easy to read the real number on line which are quite frankly never as rosy.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Report in fact starts with this:

Household Survey Data
The unemployment rate held at 4.9 percent in July, and the number of unemployed persons was
essentially unchanged at 7.8 million. Both measures have shown little movement, on net, since August
of last year. (See table A-1.)
Among the major worker groups, unemployment rates in July were little changed for adult men (4.6
percent), adult women (4.3 percent), teenagers (15.6 percent), Whites, (4.3 percent), Blacks (8.4
percent), Asians (3.8 percent), and Hispanics (5.4 percent). (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:39am PT
What the heck the Donald poll numbers look horrible..
Looks like my head id about to explode..
The good thing is that media is spending way more time on Trump than Hillary..
dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:06am PT
Trump supporters: former CIA chief says you're voting for an unwitting foreign agent.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html

That's presidential too!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:07am PT
I wonder whether these labor statistics are rigged.

dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:21am PT
Tell us again how the moon landings were faked.

Please use lots of gibberish in your explanation, but keep it simple because most of us aren't fluent.

And cite conspiracy websites: those are always persuasive.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:29am PT
I don't trust Hillary but then i don't trust Russia , the Chinese , the Saudis , Mexico , Israel , and last but not least loose cannon Donald...Should the CIA be replaced by a county code enforcement agency..? What mess...Maybe i'll move to Norway and start an air conditioning bussiness...
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:44am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Looney tune wrote: The real unemployment rate is actually at almost 10%.

Which is dropping too. Do you have a problem with that?


Which is much better than 22-25 percent eight years ago.


crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:55am PT
Weird stuff coming from Area 51 News today.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:58am PT
"Weird stuff coming from Area 51 News today."


Amazing the way he bashes America while living free all those years in Yosemite.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:07am PT
Werner and zBrown piqued my curiosity about how the unemployment rate is calculated. A quick Google search took me here:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

So the labor force is the total of those who have jobs and those who don't but are actively looking for one, and these numbers are determined by monthly polling.

"There are about 60,000 eligible households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals each month."

So the numbers come from a sample of 0.035% of the population. But somehow they can extrapolate statistics such as an unemployment rate for young black men. Hmm.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:10am PT
60,000 is actually a fairly hefty sample size, assuming the survey is designed well.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:13am PT
60,000 is actually a fairly hefty sample size, assuming the survey is designed well.

yes, especially compared to the political polls being pretty accurate with only 1500 people sampled
O.D.

Trad climber
LA LA Land
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:22am PT
I remember during Ivanka's speech at the RNC, she said "a Trump Presidency will turn the economy around".

Unfortunately for me, my brain tends to see nearly everything around me in a mathematical context. Since the US's GDP has been steadily climbing since 2010 or so, in my mind I see a line with a positive slope. So...turning that around... wouldn't that make a line with a negative slope and indicate economic decline? What Ivanka said was not well thought out, but eerily prophetic.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:25am PT
O.D. stop making sense.


Facts go right over their heads. They want opinions and emotions.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:33am PT
This is "Obummer", he is Kenyan born, an Anchor Baby, Muslim, and hates America

Here he is yesterday at a Washington DC shop faking it while secretly plotting terrorism and doing everything he can to slow down the GPD growth


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:34am PT
They want bad news, they don't want things to get better.

They are just like the Duck/Trump, they love conspiracy theories. They are full on whack jobs.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/julys-strong-job-numbers-still-dont-match-trumps-claims/
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:38am PT
thanks Obama
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:54am PT
I remember during Ivanka's speech at the RNC, she said "a Trump Presidency will turn the economy around".


Ivanka might be intelligent, but in the context of Trump's campaign fiasco, she comes across like one of the Dimbo Kashinagin sisters.



Trump has repeatedly said he intends to "turn the economy around" by driving it right into the ground. He says he will impose huge import tariffs on goods coming from China, and that he will deport 11 million "Mexican" workers. Economists worldwide have said that a Trump presidency would result in economic disaster.


To ensure total and complete disaster for the nation, Trump is saying that he will appoint Ivanka to a Cabinet post (what, no Cabinet posts for Melania, Donny, Eric, Tiffany and Barron?)


"She is very popular" is how Trump explains Ivanka's qualifications to be Secretary of State.

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:58am PT
yes, especially compared to the political polls being pretty accurate with only 1500 people sampled

The Gov. page I linked specifically makes this comparison. I'm not a statistician, but understanding the unemployment rate seems to require some pretty specific breakdowns of population groups by ethnicity, race, sex and so forth.

For example they put out a number for unemployed black men. Do they sample urban blacks? I think that in this case the real number for young black men out of work (as opposed to "unemployed" as more narrowly defined) is the number which is relevant to any sort of policy decisions.
O.D.

Trad climber
LA LA Land
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:01am PT
I do take exception Bob, to your characterization of the Duck. The Duck is the Duck. An irreplaceable, living treasure. For me, a protected species, even if they sh*t all over the lawn in the park. [just to be clear, I'm not referring to The Park].
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:02am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:04am PT
You're nutcase Bob just as the rest of you Hillary politards here.


You are for Trump you are just too scare to say it.

You have similar traits just like Trump.

Call me a Hillary loon all you want, I much rather aligned myself with an intelligent, moderate politican than a full on lying whack job who believes every conspiracy theories out there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:05am PT
What the libtards don't know is that Canada won't have them unless they bring a pile of
cash or go live in Hong Kong or Aleppo for a year. I might leave regardless of who wins -
I'm tired of living in a second world country. I just checked out some really nice condos in
Zermatt for only $500K! Are you kidding me?
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:06am PT
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:09am PT
I much rather aligned myself with an intelligent, moderate politican

lol.... Oh she's intelligent perhaps in that Sith-lord/Cheney murderer kind of way.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:18am PT
Ok fear....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-unbearable-stench-of-trumps-bs/2016/08/04/aa5d2798-5a6e-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:20am PT
Trump gets endorsement from David Duke.
Clinton gets endorsement from former CIA Chief Michael Morrell.

Hmmmmm....
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:25am PT
Trump gets endorsement from David Duke.
Clinton gets endorsement from former CIA Chief Michael Morrell.

Interesting, but we may be past the point where endorsements matter too much.


fivethirtyeight.com August 5 nowcast.

Curt
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:38am PT
Some pundit on PBS the other night said Trump had a decent chance of winning in November if (and it was a big if)... if he kept his mouth shut from his acceptance speech until election day. But obviously, that didn't happen.

Until recently, he had done a remarkable job keeping his numbers up. But his latest gaffes looked to be the tipping point.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

Now, the big question is will he stay in the race? Or will he take his ball and go home?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Ksolem

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm[/quote]


One thing we would want to check is that the same method and manner of reporting is utilized in comparing two different time reports.


The old WTF we talkin' about of statistical methods



Reliability is another term for consistency. If one person takes the samepersonality test several times and always receives the same results, the test isreliable.

A test is valid if it measures what it is supposed to measure. If theresults of the personality test claimed that a very shy person was in factoutgoing, the test would be invalid
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:16am PT
Pototahead, is that really the best you can do, looks like you stole it from Sesame Street?


Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:30am PT
Now, the big question is will he stay in the race? Or will he take his ball and go home?

Another really good question is: what is next for the Republican Party? They nominated fairly moderate candidates in the last two presidential elections (McCain and Romney) and lost. This year, they nominated an openly racist bigot, who will also lose. Most polling indicates that running a far right conservative like Cruz/Santorum/ Huckabee, etc. would also result in a loss--because the USA is just not that conservative anymore.

So, what do they do?

Curt
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:47am PT
Conservatism as a set of basic principles has been usurped by the Christian right. Today people like Cruz, Santorum, Huckabee, Carson, etc., are seen as definitive of conservatism. They are not. They are at the far right of the spectrum. Calling them conservatives is as valid as calling a liberal a communist.

Everyone's seen the old Goldwater remarks before. And he was right.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:53am PT
"Conservatism as a set of basic principles has been usurped by the Christian right. Today people like Cruz, Santorum, Huckabee, Carson, etc., are seen as definitive of conservatism. They are not. They are at the far right of the spectrum. Calling them conservatives is as valid as calling a liberal a communist."

And Reagan opened the door to the White House to them, he knew his base was shrinking. That is the republican party, they own the Christian right and the Tea Party.


It's not the party of Lincoln or Reagan, it is the party of Falwell. http://www.npr.org/2012/04/26/151444474/party-of-reagan-no-party-of-falwell-writer-says
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:01pm PT
" I think that in this case the real number for young black men out of work (as opposed to "unemployed" as more narrowly defined) is the number which is relevant to any sort of policy decisions. "

Well, sure. Because you are not counted as unemployed for stats if you are not actively seeking work. So there could be a substantial amount of folks who gave up seeking work due to any number of reasons, the biggest likely being there are no job opportunities in their communities that pay a living wage.

Add that a significant percent of young black men are incarcerated, and forcibly removed from the labor pool. There is a serious racial discrimination aspect to arrests and sentencing, where black men receive much harsher sentences than a middle class white guy would receive for the same crime.

Without the dumbass "war on drugs" thanks to the 70s/80s era GOP, and the dumbass adventures in the sandbox, thanks to the 00s era GOP; we would likely be in pretty good financial shape as a country and could have used all those trillions we pissed down a hole in Iraq and Afghanistan to shore up Social Security and medicare, invest in our national infrastructure (we have rock bottom borrowing costs, would be stupid not to use that gift of low rates to make investments in infrastructure that pay off way beyond what they cost.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:09pm PT
The drug war has always been bi partisan. And the large amount of incarcerated black youth in prison is mainly the result of them emulating the lives of rappers whose stories are fictional. It like white rednecks thinking being a hick is cool because they don't understand Larry the cable guy is just an act. Except for black youth emulating their thug icons ends in predictable tragedy
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:20pm PT
Well I guess Russ got my $14 bucks
My wife likes to read my posts, so I thought I would pay for both of us.

Hey Locker and Russ, I wrote up a True story about Largo's Jacket, it's in the Sheep bugger thread


Looks like Melaina WAS a Porn model!!!

http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/


You can see some more slightly censored photos Here
http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/

I guess this makes her fair game for discussion, right DMT?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
Well I guess Russ got my $14 bucks

BZZZZT!!!!!!! Wrongo! Some fine Republicans paid the ransom. All I got from the pinkos was hate mail.

What jacket?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
I'll send some more hate mail if you're collecting it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
America just can't shake those Puritans.
That shizz would get Quasimodo elected in France,
provided he was the marrying type.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
What church will Russ go to in the new theocracy?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
Everyone is wrong and you are right. Rant after rant after rant. With some people I guess it all depends on what medication they are taking at the time. But like a moth to flame he keeps coming back for more.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 5, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
Why is the khan family attacking trump

Because he advocates that Muslims should be under constant surveillance, because they cannot be trusted.....like their son.

That people like their son should be stopped from entering the US.

Because Trump considers them dogs
c wilmot

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
Why is the khan family not upset that many of the Muslims seeking to come here are fleeing religious violence perpetuated by the Clinton backed "rebel" groups? Why no fuss over the hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims from the wars Hillary voted for?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 5, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
Why is the khan family not upset that many of the Muslims seeking to come here are fleeing religious violence perpetuated by the Clinton backed "rebel" groups? Why no fuss over the hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims from the wars Hillary voted for?


Because these are the wars PROMOTED by Republicans, and resisted by democrats. The only reason that Clinton voted for it, was the falsified information put out to Congress by the Repubs.

Still waiting for them to find the WMD's.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 02:07pm PT
The support for the "rebel" groups has been the policy of the Obama admin and was/is promoted and supported by Kerry and Clinton as sos
Norton

Social climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 02:17pm PT



There's more ..
Obama secretly ships a literal plane load of half a billon dollars to a corrupt country to free hostages !!! Yes , they did it .. A hostage states that they were not allowed to leave until the plane of cash arrived .


Nothing secretive about it, widely reported.

We owed Iran the money from forcing them to comply with the nuclear sanctions.

It was their money from years ago being returned as promised.

And yes the President got our people out of there at the same time, good.



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 5, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
Jesus, Riley....take a breath, will ya?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 5, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Nothing secretive about it, widely reported.

We owed Iran the money from forcing them to comply with the nuclear sanctions.

It was their money from years ago being returned as promised.

And yes the President got our people out of there at the same time, good.

Worth repeating.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
This link provides a number of stories and official statements from last January, clarifying the payment.

https://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/04/myths-facts-400-million-payment-iran/212190
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
"Werner is so correct
What a bunch of losers."



So a guy who was picking out of dumpsters in the valley is your guru?


Funny stuff.


Nice link EdwardT, heard no noise out them back in January.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:16pm PT

Aug 5, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Nothing secretive about it, widely reported.

We owed Iran the money from forcing them to comply with the nuclear sanctions.

It was their money from years ago being returned as promised.

And yes the President got our people out of there at the same time, good.

Worth repeating.


Yes worth repeating that they now have 3 more Americans locked up.... wonder what the price will be for them?

We don't owe those shits a dam dime.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
"Is that a shot at his religion , Bob?
Not very tolerant of you ."


Not on his religion more on his eating habits.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
and the moon landing was faked too!

because I said so, in a LOT of words, loudly, arrogantly

and most important, because I can't defend my own sh#t

gotta drag out a diversion, ask if they "climb"

because that has a LOT to do with it

edit?

again with insisting that the 400 million was OUR money?

how many times do you have to be told it was THEIR MONEY being returned

get your news from Facebook or just make it up?



Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:31pm PT
Their money in cash for hostages ??
Hahaha
Such a lie ..

Being stupid is independent of political leaning. The money Iran got back was their own money that had been frozen in banks for decades--plus interest. Do you have a learning disability?

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
Curt, they won't believe facts.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
We welcome your hate Riley. LOL
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
That money deal was OFF the second they snatched our EMBASSY STAFF and held them hostage.

And I wonder what the value of all the American and foreign assets that were seized by the peace loving mullahs.

With interest?????? WTF
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
"The libtards have their heads stuck in other places than sand."


Jesus wept, I will chant for you tonight.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
The Daily Signal...from the Heritage Foundation. WTF.

Hilarious Riley.



"Disgusting politards"

Hilarious you right wing hack.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
I have no doubt that Cragman is a member but what about Riley?


Funny sh#t...https://secured.heritage.org/join-heritage-parallax/beautiful?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Donor%20Conversion&utm_term=the%20heritage%20foundation&utm_content=Heritage%20Foundation
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
"If you just look at facts it doesn't matter the source"

But you just attacked Media Matters.

WTF.


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:01pm PT
Riley wrote: Lol

Mediamatters

Hahahah


It's like an unending politard feed back loop ..


Amazing. Two-faced is more like it.


Keep praying cragman. I'm pretty god damn happy, married 42 years, three great kids, climb, bike, run, travel, still climb 5.12 and down to working two days a week, don't believe in fairly tales and don't believe in Donald Trump. What does you wife say about Melania's photos?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:04pm PT
there are 33000 emails missing dealing with this subject

How many emails total were on the email server?


What I heard.

Clinton’s office disclosed in March 2015 that her private server had a total of 62,320 emails. It said at that time that her lawyers went through the emails and identified 30,490 work-related emails and 31,830 private emails. In December 2014, about 21 months after she left office, Clinton gave the State Department the 30,490 work-related emails totaling roughly 55,000 pages. She said she deleted the others. “I didn’t see any reason to keep them,” she said at a March 10, 2015, press conference.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
"I looked at the link
Media matters is not always wrong in the same way the heritage foundation is not always wrong"

Only wrong or right when it fits into your rants.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
By asking people for their soul cragman. Give it dude and go pray for Trump and his wife and leave me alone.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
Here you go little guy...
FA one of the best sport routes in country.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:13pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
So your facts are better than my facts??


Hilarious dude, you are losing it.


Facts are facts no matter where they come from. You were wrong on Hillary with the child rape to start.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:23pm PT
"Bob.....I hope you don't truly believe that putting up routes is your life's mission.....the average climber today has NO clue who Warren Harding or Royal Robbins are...or what THEY accomplished."


Cragman are you really that thick, Riley wanted to see photos, I posted some, What is with you?

"I'm praying that you will realize the truly great things God has planned for you to do for OTHERS....things that will last.

I do do for others, my wife, my kids, my family, my friends and I'm not asking for things back like you and I don't do it based on conditions like you do.


Leave my wife and me alone, go pray for someone else.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
Riley, ever post so far from you has insulted someone, so come down off your freaking high horse.


I started climbing in 1971, did my first 5.12 in 1977 and done numerous big walls (free) and other trad routes. What else do you need to know.

Come climb sometime here in northern NM or southern CO. The Black Canyon is only five hours away. I have done over 20 routes there so don't worry, I'll take care of you. :-)

On an early ascent of Downpresser Ma, 5.12a/b in Eldo


Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
This is climbing, I think. I'm not sure though because I'm going sideways and not up.


No bolts, either. You sure are particular about what constitutes "climbing."

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
Curt photo Curt, I remember going there with Gill and Kevin Bein maybe 1981, Gill did it both ways.

Then we when over to Little Owl Canyon, what a magical day.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
Curt photo Curt, I remember going there with Gill and Kevin Bein maybe 1981, Gill did both ways.

Cool. My first trip there was also 1981. The pics above are from 1988 or so.

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
You are a little attack pit bull Riley, I just down back down.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
"I'll keep praying for you guys, Bob.....I promise it won't hurt.....and the day will come when you will ask me to never stop.'

Funny, you think you are doing something for me but all you are doing is trying to buy your way into into something that doesn't exist.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:55pm PT
I really don't know about , Bob beyond his bolted climbs ..

Well, it's not like I need to defend Bob, but he did his early serious climbing in the Gunks. You know, where there aren't any bolts.

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:57pm PT
"Anyone can talk a tough game 3 feet above a bolt .
I've climbed with thousands of people
So I've seen lots of frauds .. "



Funny Riley, I never heard of you and I'm thinking you had little or no impact on climbing, sport, trad, big wall or bouldering.

So who are you to judge?


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
"Well, it's not like I need to defend Bob, but he did his early serious climbing in the Gunks. You know, where there aren't any bolts."


When Riley was still in diapers. LOL
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
The Black and the Gunks are ironically my two last big NA destinations I haven't visited .
Can't wait .

Do it, you won't be disappointed. The Gunks is still my favorite climbing area in the US.

Curt
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
All of this talk about facts reminds me of something.

I have a half-sister. She is left of Bernie Sanders. We love each other, being family and knowing what's important. This enables us to talk politics without animosity. One day she said to me "I don't understand how we can have such different points of view when we are looking at the same set of facts". I was taken aback by this question, coming from someone as smart as she is. The answer is obvious.

For example, an issue as complicated as Clinton's role in Benghazi carries with it a multitude of facts. An intellectually honest person puts facts first, and forms their opinion based on those facts which align with their values. An intellectually dishonest person cherry picks the facts which support their pre-determined view of things. No one arrives at a conclusion based on all of the facts.

To paraphrase Orwell, to each of us some facts are more factual than others.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
"It's my opinion ..
I like real climbing -not clipping bolts .. Just my opinion
Anybody can clip bolts."


Not true and not true that anyone can climb free past them.


Rock is rock, climbing rock is all good, sport, trad, big wall and bouldering.

If you go to the Gunks bring your A game, the routes are serious and tons of fun.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
Beautiful children Riley.

Yes it is to each his own, I welcome Norton, Crankster, the Duck, Cragman and others whether they climb or not.

My family comes first and always has, climbing has been fun but nothing compared to the love and happiness of being with my family.


My two boys and me on the Monarch Crest Trail in Colorado a few years back.



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
The boys were pretty easy, give them a bike and there they when, my daughter is amazing and a trip, started college at 16, married at 20 (still married) and a mother of our wonderful five year grandson.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
This is my response
" "

hope you can go on w/o me

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
Same to you Riley, they really grow up so fast, I really miss all the wonderful times my wife and I had with them growing up, we didn't have a lot of money (my wife stayed at home) but we really had wonderful times together.

This is my son Adam in Puyo, Ecuador a few years back on one our trips together.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Well since this has become a climbing thread
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Just watching Trump read off notes was painful tonight.


Great shot Steve.


Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
Man, this shyte sure degenerates quickly. What's with all the personal attacks? Some people maybe feeling threatened much? Maybe some growing up is needed here. I understand why the political threads are vanishing so quickly - because they probably should when they degenerate like this. Three or four posters hitting each other over the head gets boring.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
I'm getting a little bored of all the troll leg humping.

and yes, we are all so called "Marxists" by some loons

Mind bubble, they have no idea, no empathy, no desire to see what's outside their mind bubble

but I may have to delete this as well, it depends on what the troll follows with

troll the troll,

how many times?


actually there has some "small" improvement in the troll's posting style.
It's all about keeping "It NOT Personal"
make your comments w/o using ANY PERSONS Name,
can you see the logic of this?
You PISS People OFF when you direct some BS or not BS about them, it doesn't matter

so far, you have pissed off many people here.
If that's your goal, you win

if you want to be a community member, learn to be respectful
and don't make it personal

and Expect to see edits galore after the fact
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
I have faith in Dog...

Wrong thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=488420&msg=2854769#msg2854769
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
Yeezus is alright with me
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:06pm PT
Back to politics and humor.


Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
"So that means Locker is a Marxist"...


One of my favorite movies of theirs is Monkey Business...

A Night at the Opera is also pretty awesome...

Curt
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
No one believes any of the crap above except Right Wing Bubble people

--the establishment of a Socialist "utopia" (a.k.a. a global nanny state)
--"benevolent" totalitarian control of the world's population through any means necessary
--ever increasing government micromanagement of private enterprise (a.k.a. clueless meddling)
--the adoption of laws, treaties and tax regulations that hinder America's competitiveness
--the usurpation of the legislative process, at all levels, through judicial fiat
--the promotion of the tyranny of the minority
--the filing of specious law suits to shakedown corporations for cash (under the guise of "social responsibility")
--the disproportionate taxation of citizens "who have more money than they need"
--the redistribution of wealth from producers to non-producers (under the guise of "fairness")
--the banning and confiscation of all privately owned guns (even though it has lead to genocide)
--the abolition of all private property rights
--the destruction of all national sovereignty (America first, of course)
--the destruction of Capitalism
--the establishment of one religion (with no personal accountability), OR the abolition of all religion
--the appeasement of Islamic radicals
--the regulation, or banning, of all opposition media (under the guise of "fairness")
--the appeasement of Communist dictators and their American front groups
--the further insertion of Socialist ideology and indoctrination into public school curricula
--the purposeful "dumbing down" of the masses through inane public school curricula and pedagogy
--mass thought control through "speech codes" and political correctness.

I don't even want to start, but anyone could go from point to point and prove your claim to be BS

Zero creditability on the facts, pure right wing ideological BS

No America liberal, progressive or Democrat here would agree with you on any of it. ZERO

It's like a child writing to Rush Limbaugh,
"Did I do good Rush?, Did I??"


and of course, I could do your point to point and directly pin blame on the right wingers in office that were responsible for implementing the thing you hate.
We will do a reverse list soon.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
Forty bucks.


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
Shameful Riley, at least give credit to your plagiarism.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Libtard





Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
Looks like another Clinton enemy turned up dead. Shocker.

What a coincidence. Lol
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
Don't forget to believe these credible links that were posted as part of a libtard rant

The answer is that to President Obama this is still not fair because he is a Marxist. To a Marxist, the fact that the top 1% earn more income than the bottom 99% is not fair, no matter how they earn it, fairly or not. So it is not fair unless more is taken from the top 1% until they are left only with what they “need,” as in any true communist system. Paying anything less is not their “fair” share. That is the only logical explanation of President Obama’s rhetoric, and it is 100% consistent with his own published background.

Notice that Obama keeps saying that “the rich,” a crass term implying low class social envy, don’t “need” the Bush tax cuts. That is reminiscent of the fundamental Marxist principle, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/12/20/is-president-obama-really-a-socialist-lets-analyze-obamanomics/#40c9f8986a11

see, that link proves it !!!11111
Obama is a Marxist,
The dems are marxists
all liberals that want fair taxation are Marxists!!!

Tax the rich, that's Marxism at it's core!

Pure capitalism would dictate that the rich should pay zero taxes, right?
since they we need the trickle down'
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
Liberal...from dictionary.com


1.favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2.(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3.of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.

4.favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

6.of or relating to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

7.free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:

a liberal attitude toward foreigners.






noun
14.
a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
15.
(often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, especially of the Liberal party in Great Britain.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
The push by liberals to have opposing viewpoints in a discussion labeled as a form of harassment is a disturbing trend in the us.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
^^^Dude no one gives a $hit--go outside and play
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
"Good post , Bob

That's why I'm a lib

And not a Marxist '


You could of fooled me. :-)

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Rio opening better than expected


EDIT

With a limited budget, the consequence of a biting recession that roiled preparations for South America’s first Olympics, Brazil laced its high-energy opening party for the games of the 31st Olympiad with a sobering message of the dangers of global warming.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
Here's a little more Google "mis-information" for you to ponder.


Curt
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
Trump announces his team of economic advisers. All are pro-big bank, pro-TPP, and hedge fund managers. Basically a 2008 dream team of guys dedicated to f*#king the average American in the ass.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:53pm PT
By George F. Will Opinion writer August 5 at 7:09 PM

Like shipwrecked mariners clinging to a floating mast, many Republicans rationalize supporting Donald Trump because of “the court.” This two-word incantation means: Because we care so much for the Constitution, it is supremely important to entrust to Trump the making of Supreme Court nominations. Well.

In a Republican candidates debate, Trump complained that Ted Cruz had criticized Trump’s sister, a federal judge.

Trump said: “He’s been criticizing my sister for signing a certain bill. You know who else signed that bill? Justice Samuel Alito, a very conservative member of the Supreme Court, with my sister, signed that bill.”

Trump, the supposed savior of the Supreme Court, thinks federal judges sign bills.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 5, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
Wa Post:

Trump unveils a new economic team full of wealthy advisers

Donald Trump announced a new team of ultra-rich financiers and businessmen as his core economic advisers, bringing high-profile names to his inner circle but also possibly stepping on his populist claims to save the middle class.


so, here we have what Trump considers to be "the best" economic advisors. Thirteen ultra-wealthy.

One economist among them.

I dunno, but this sounds like the takeover by the military-industrial complex
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:42pm PT
Hell, that chart MUST be true. Much respect. G00gLE on

Your intellectual illiteracy does not invalidate the data.

Curt
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
mashedpotatohead getting blander by the minute

get your mommy to mix in some of that road kill with your pablum

remember not to talk with your mouth full of rat feces
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Aug 5, 2016 - 11:07pm PT
hey Russ, gonna put this in context:

my Trump-boner is one-quarter erect
my fat-Kardashian-boner is two-thirds erect
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 12:30am PT
"Obsessed ego-maniacs like Fry and B0b Duh are definitely NOT watching it. They are consumed with inner-ego, inner-despair and spending ALL day wasting away HERE yelling at their keyboards(with help from Google mis-information)."


Watch it for a while, but also when bouldering, took the dog on two hikes and then just sent one guidebook (Shelf RD.) off to the printer and worked on the third edition of Boulder Canyon Rock Climbs.

I know my day wasn't as productive as your but I'll try harder tomorrow.


I can tell by your photo and trip report pages here on ST that you are a very, very good climber who done amazing things for the climbing community. Keep up the good work.


Redstate take on Trump and bill signing, pretty funny. http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/02/26/donald-trumps-shocking-post-debate-admission/


Also...do you understand that Google is a search engine for information?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 6, 2016 - 05:44am PT
Bob D'uh. That made me laugh.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 05:54am PT

Like you all, concerning his economic advisors, I don't know why he didn't select an all female group from the local McDonalds drive through.


THE LIST:

" Paulson is the founder of investment firm Paulson and Co., and made billions betting against subprime mortgages in 2007 leading up to the financial crisis.
Roth is the billionaire head of Vornado Realty.
Hamm is a billionaire oilman and CEO of Continental Resources.
Lorber is the CEO of tobacco and real estate company Vector Group.
Mnuchin is Trump's national finance chairman, and the chairman and CEO of hedge fund Dune Capital Management.
Barrack served in the Reagan administration as deputy undersecretary of interior, and is founder and chairman of Colony Capital.
Calk is the chairman and CEO of The Federal Savings Bank.
Beal is the billionaire founder and chairman of Beal Bank and Beal Bank USA.
Feinberg is the billionaire co-founder and CEO of Cerberus Capital Management.
Malpass is a former Bear Stearns chief economist who has had high-ranking roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations.
Navarro is an economics professor at the University of California, Irvine.
Moore is a former member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board and a founder of the Club for Growth.
DiMicco is former CEO of steel company Nucor.
"
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Aug 6, 2016 - 07:37am PT
When Trump wins ...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2016 - 07:43am PT
Trump is winning when it comes to ford relocating factory / jobs back to U.S..


http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/13/news/companies/ford-truck-mexico-ohio/index.html
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 6, 2016 - 07:55am PT
Mike Pence Tries to "Disprove" Evolution

http://www.atheistvoter.org/20160804-mike-pence-evolution

Indiana Governor and Republican Vice Presidential nominee Mike Pence has had a history of not understanding quite how evolution works. RightWingWatch has a video of Pence attempting to "disprove" evolution on the floor of the House of Representatives in 2002.

In the speech, Pence shows that he has no idea what "theory" means in a scientific context and repeatedly cites the Bible as evidence against evolution.


FLASHBACK: Mike Pence: 'It Is A Literal Truth... I Am In Congress Today Because Of Rush Limbaugh'

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/flashback-mike-pence-it-literal-truth-i-am-congress-today-because-rush-limbaugh

Just over a month after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Pence delivered a speech on the House floor which served no other purpose than to heap praise on the conservative talker

it is a literal truth, Mr. Speaker, to say that I am in Congress today because of Rush Limbaugh, and not because of some tangential impact on my career or his effect on the national debate; but because in fact after my first run for Congress in 1988, it was the new national voice emerging in 1989 across the heartland of Indiana of one Rush Hudson Limbaugh, III, that captured my imagination.”


Mike Pence
one of the loudest Pro-Life, anti-science, Evangelical, Homophobic voices in Politics today
He's also a master liar

The deer in the headlights moment when he was asked why he signed the Indiana anti-LBGT bill.
He said "Hosier's don't discriminate"
LIE
He folded and the bill was killed when Companies said they would pull out of the State, money talks.


So all the Trump supporters got exactly what they didn't want, an ultra establishment Neo-Con Christian suck up party of division and hate.

I heard that Reince Pribus made Trump pick Pence, to provide Party unity!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:04am PT
who is really the bigot!




http://www.infowars.com/hillary-refuses-to-meet-white-reporters-in-first-press-conference-of-2016/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:07am PT
Alex Jones is the biggest bigot I can think of
and master of Projection

basically everything he says is pure BS
Pure Insanity
He should be in a mental hospital.

just another link in the right wing media bubble world
you can source any lie you want to use against the enemy, liberals
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:45am PT
"Trump is winning when it comes to ford relocating factory / jobs back to U.S.."


What is this....criticism of your favorite narcissistic ball-cuppee....?

Are you finally starting to smell the coffee, pyro?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 6, 2016 - 10:26am PT
When Trump wins , his thong -clad wife will hand him the football and then the launch codes.. Donald will hold it over his head like a world cup trophy.. The loons will go crazy chanting " find the missing emails.."
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 11:07am PT
I generally choose to not take people seriously who go to the trouble of screencapturing a dialogue to prove an insignificant point. But that's just me.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 11:14am PT
Love you too, Riley!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 11:18am PT
Oh, I wouldn't say that....we've just never met, that's all...
Norton

Social climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
Love you too , anonymous internet politard that no one has ever met .

oh, I have more than "met" Apogee

He saved my life in 1989 on K2, he is one hell of a climber

the fact that people on public internet forums choose to remain anonymous is common sense with stalking and cyber hacking
Gimp

Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
Aug 6, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
Kind of a change in topic but read the Texan monthly link.

Question is if physician run hospitals drive up costs and are intolerable why do we have a lawyer "owned" and run legal system? Doesn't that just make more profits for lawyers at the expense of the serfs?

To survive in the modern world don't you need not only free health care but also free legal care and free investment care?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 01:14pm PT
Dr F is a pathological liar
Time to stop taking him seriously

So when does Trump get the boot? Oh wait, nobody with a brain ever took him seriously.

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Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
We're not afraid of Trump.

We're embarrassed and ashamed that a sizeable section of our country actually believes the man has a clue and that they are willing to throw the dice and vote for him, with our country as the stakes.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
I mean lawyers are corrupt too .but that's another issue .

wait a min Lawyers is the problem. One of em is nominated by the democratic party and those hedge funders are looking to bank of that deep pocketed bitch.. Trump said himself that he was going after those hedge fund dudes so hence the recent massive media Trump hunt.. so lawyers are a BIG problem.. I say get those crony lawyers outta Washington.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
"24/7 spray lord,"


Who are we talking about, again?




And Norton....yeah, you still owe me big time for that one.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
I guess that he's like the rest of texas, 200lbs of sh#t in a 5lb bag. . .
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 6, 2016 - 04:22pm PT
The Best Apple Pie

I grew up in the sixties
But saw disparity from the fifties
Where insidious racist thinking was the norm

With biological extinction blooming
And nuclear annihilation looming
Our free love generation did very little harm

But there were those throughout the seventies
Who brought into the eighties
Their rejection of such liberties as we knew

I should have seen with Reaganomics
Today's rejection of Obamics
And what all the disenfranchised ex-hippie rednecks wouldn't do

It might've been the way it went
And that's my humble two cents
An opinion I'm not likely to philosophically conform

I've seen so much hate and hypocrisy
And too little of civil democracy
To forget about what history will teach you

-bushman
08/06/2016


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
Funny to see Riley squirm his way out of here, really just another bully who talks a big game, kinda like the Chief who would latch on to someone to point of sick stalking.


What is his little fan club going to do now?

WBraun

climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
The intelligent class throws the garbage away.

This thread is full of stupid garbage.

The Hillary garbage eaters in this thread love eating their own trash and keeping it ......
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
"The intelligent class throws the garbage away.

This thread is full of stupid garbage.

The Hillary garbage eaters in this thread love eating their own trash and keeping it ......"


Look who talking, the dumpster diving master.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
Bob you should cool it with the werner jabs he works way harder than all of us combined..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
Every post by Radical has been deleted up to July 27, which is the probably the max time ST gives you to delete your thread posts....

it always seems to be me and Bob that attract the most pathological stalking unhinged fellas drunk on piss and vinegar
They become obsessed with us....


vvvv
of course I was trolling the troll
I have a thick skin, and can work any angle needed

there was some improvement

Hopefully the Chief Jr. is gone
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
How can you even make a statement like that!! So he gets a free pass for calling people names every time he posts. Too bad, I work hard too, so do other people on this site, never stopped him from calling everyone stooopid americans.


How's Trump working out for you? :-)


Dr. F...so I was about six years old and this kid maybe eight or nine was picking on me, I grew up in a rough area in SW Philadelphia, I tell my dad hoping for some help. He tells me if I start running now I will be running the rest of life from them. Got my butt kicked the next day but the bully never bothered me again, amazing what happens when you stand you ground. Have carried my dad's advice my whole life.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
Why did Riley delete his threads...? Did his wife peek over his shoulder and threaten to cut him off...?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
I like Riley. I hope he's ok.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
Ricky, my experience has been that many RN's in general have issues.


Sh#t, Craig...that's hilarious.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
My best friend in Taos is an ER doctor living out of the country now, the sh#t he had to deal with and see I wouldn't wish on anyone. Hope Riley is OK and finds peace.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
Good grief, now this thread has turned into a Stuart Smalley/Tony Robbins self-affirmation mash-up.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
Trump thinks climate change is a hoax...Trump is worried about Iran having the bomb but he's not worried about Israel having one...Trump wants to cut taxes for the rich...Trump is George W. Bush the 2nd and we all know how that played...Or didn't we...?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:11pm PT
Wrong! Bush suddenly looks amazingly sane and balanced to me, almost like the good old days.

How the f*ck did they nominate someone who speaks better gibberish than Bush?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
"Bush suddenly looks amazingly sane and balanced to me, almost like the good old days."

Fakt.

Likewise, Romney seems like a reasonable choice, too. I betcha the GOP feels exactly the same way.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
"He's everywhere" Russ Walling

LOL.....
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
Funny to see Riley squirm his way out of here, really just another bully who talks a big game, kinda like the Chief who would latch on to someone to point of sick stalking.

Riley probably woke up and realized that rooting around in a garbage dump is a waste of time.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
He is a grown man, knew what he was posting, dug in deep and was just as vocal/nasty as anyone else.

His little fanboy club making excuses and trying to blame others for his actions are really funny.


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
Dwain, I don't agree with your politics or your religion, but at least you are a climber.

Whichever side of the political fence people like Apogee, pyro, norton, escopeta, craig fry, etc may be on, why are they posting here? This is a forum for climbers, not for political ranters.

Assholes, one and all.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 6, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
Riley appears to have done what he believes is best for him.

Stepping into what really is a pretty small arena and getting your blood pressure up doesn't seem to be a wise choice for anybody.

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 6, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
Ok, Cosmic, I deleted the comment.

But, I do find your stalwart support of Trump troubling. You admire this guy? Really?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 6, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
Trump is worried about Iran having the bomb but he's not worried about Israel having one

Ummmm. Let's see. Iranian Mullahs pledge to destroy Israel. If they're good on their word they will do so when they have the means. Israel on the other hand pledges to destroy no one, only to defend herself. Anyone who can't see the difference is not paying attention, rather molding the facts around their own dogma.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 6, 2016 - 10:08pm PT
I don't admire him.
I just like him more than Hillary.

Well, people can differ and still be civil. I happen to think that Hillary is a WAY better option than Trump, for a number of reasons, including basic intelligence.

Curt
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 6, 2016 - 10:25pm PT
KSolem...Maybe the Iranians see what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and maybe Iran is worried that israel is going to do the same thing to them via nukes...Wouldn't you want a nuke to defend your country...? Playing satans advocate...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 6, 2016 - 11:10pm PT
Ghost, you have no idea as to what my climbing background is, because I don't offer it here very much, and when I have, you obviously haven't noticed or paid attention. So please dispense with your erroneous assumptions. Thank you.

In any case, in spite of the regular assertions of many here to the contrary, climbing experience doesn't validate anyone's worldview...I'm sure we can agree on that.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 6, 2016 - 11:27pm PT
Playing Satan's advocate...

The rich Arab nations, there are many, can solve the Palestinian problem. They have the money to relieve the poverty, and they can choose to engage with Israel to work for peace. Instead they do neither, they think it is to their advantage to play the Palestinians as pawns, a festering wound in Israel's side.

Would Israel welcome such an overture from her Arab neighbors? That is exactly what they want. It would be a win/win deal.

Israel does not seek or want war. They want peace. If they wanted war you'd know it, all hell would break loose. Find a nation under such constant attacks and threat which exercises such restraint. Our US would have destroyed a neighboring country which continually launched missiles into our cities, deployed suicide bombers in our markets and buses, and declared we have no right to exist.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 12:57am PT
Sort of like our wonderful treatment of the Indian Nations.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 7, 2016 - 04:39am PT
Ghost is a good guy and if his bred in the bone Saskatchewan opinions cause sensitivity to Californians, you just have to know that the Canadian mid west people are all about looking potential friends in the eye first...

Oh, he's Canadian. That explains it.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 7, 2016 - 05:21am PT
Wow....http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/rubio-no-abortions-for-zika-infected-women-104555
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 7, 2016 - 07:44am PT
Some people just can't grasp reality, and fight against it tooth and nail
Stop, stop, Please stop talking Politics Here!
I can't stand it, this is a climbers forum
talk climbing.....

I'll have to throw out a barrage of ugly insults!!!
That'll do the trick..

Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started

Aug 6, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
Dwain, I don't agree with your politics or your religion, but at least you are a climber.

Whichever side of the political fence people like Apogee, pyro, norton, escopeta, craig fry, etc may be on, why are they posting here? This is a forum for climbers, not for political ranters.

Assholes, one and all.

This guy just won't give it up, he hates American Politics
I wonder why? since he lives in Canada, maybe he should stick to threads that he has interest in, don't ya think?

Let's see, Pyro is a climber, escobaria is a climber, apogee is a climber, Norton is climber, and I'm a F-ing Famous Southern Californian Rock climber, with over 100 FAs and a guide book author.
Maybe you should check out the climbing threads and see us posting there, I just posted a story on the Sheep Bugger thread. Pyro has a Stoney Thread, have you clicked on it?

So ugly
Maybe we want to keep our climbing areas free, and if the politics goes the wrong way, we lose them, so it is important for Americans to debate
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 07:44am PT
There are very few Canadian passes to be shared among you, JB. Tami & Fam(il)i don't need one, the rest of you better step lightly. :)


Still, [Adam] Falkowski—and probably every particle physicist—is disappointed. He wanted to move beyond the Standard Model, and this seemed to be the shot. “But,” he clarifies, “the reason why I’m depressed is not because this particular bump went away but because it’s not clear we’ll get another chance. We badly need a discovery in our field to keep it moving. We’ve been waiting for so long, and it’s not coming.”
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 7, 2016 - 08:15am PT
I hate politics
See me post
post post post
Hate hate GRRR GRRR
Rant hate post rant rant GRRR post

It's so painful
Make it stop
More more
Stop me before I post again

Here's another one...

The Pursuit of Crappy-ness

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
Equates to inject some religious clap-trappinines
Or hypocritical pro-life self serving crappy-ness

Leave it to the people with loud voices
And money had without sacrifices
To improve on all our lives
By taking power from our wives

As we stupidly expect
Them not to eviscerate our nuts
While we sleep
Worried that our grandkids
Might have genes from distant Mozambique

Nutless or worse
We can all rehearse
Protecting Zika infected mother's babies
While they suffer
Wring your hands
Say maybe

Some say the Nazis had it right (forbid)
No Zika spawn unless they're white
And as with the final solution
No one can hide from cyanide
So this time y'all be careful
All those skinheads and closet racists
This time when comes Election Day
The good old boys they all believe
They just might get it right

-bushman
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 7, 2016 - 08:18am PT
I like how Iran calls the U.S Enemy..



http://www.bbc.com/news/36998747
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 7, 2016 - 08:20am PT
Rubio: No abortions for Zika-infected women

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/rubio-no-abortions-for-zika-infected-women-104555




The small Gov. people want to make sure that the Government stops all Abortions of possibly deformed or brain damaged babies, or any other reason for a legitimate abortion.

You must complete the pregnancy, go through child birth and then let the American tax payers keep it alive as long as possible on life support.
That's what the Bible says to do, so be it.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 7, 2016 - 08:25am PT
I like how America calls Iran one of the "Axis of Evil"



Back to Trump

I want a Purple Heart, who's going hand one over to me
I'll put in my collection.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 7, 2016 - 08:29am PT
We can't force change on anyone,
(Edit)
Some would chose death rather than to change.
Or change by their choice.
Or change by their definition of it.

Change almost always comes from within, no zen AA bullsh#t.
People change when they want to.

The problem is;
That the world constantly changes, and unless we are willing to change too, as individuals, we will remain in crisis and turmoil.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 7, 2016 - 09:00am PT
Cosmic... Craig Fry should be nominated for the Nobel Peace prize...Keeping the loons from the republican party in line is a thankless full time job...Taking the heat for the tuna oil soaked down jacket goes beyond the call of duty...
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 7, 2016 - 09:04am PT
We could write a letter on Craig's behalf, if not for a Purple Heart,
I think the Golden Carpal Tunnel Award is befitting a climbing celeb and writer of his stature.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 09:25am PT
Crankster, got a link to that Benghazi/Moore piece?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 7, 2016 - 09:51am PT
The small Gov. people want to make sure that the Government stops all Abortions of possibly deformed or brain damaged babies, or any other reason for a legitimate abortion.

You must complete the pregnancy, go through child birth and then let the American tax payers keep it alive as long as possible on life support.
That's what the Bible says to do, so be it.

Probably because brain damaged babies become brain damaged adults...who then vote Republican.

Curt
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 09:55am PT
Ghost's contributions here are much appreciated. He has a great, articulate writing style, whether he's writing about climbing or on rare occasion, politics. I have respect for his views, in almost all cases.

The issue of political discussions on a Climber's Forum is old & tired- the mods apparently accept it to some degree (begrudgingly, I'm sure), and that doesn't appear to be changing. Until those conditions change, the only filter that users have to topics they aren't interested in is to not click on them. Dropping in to a thread with a 'smash & rant' about how you don't like the topic (with a little namecalling) doesn't do anything to change those conditions, and just makes one look like an as#@&%e.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 10:27am PT


Dropping in to a thread with a 'smash & rant' about how you don't like the topic (with a little namecalling) doesn't do anything to change those conditions, and just makes one look like an as#@&%e.

Well said

Perhaps the reason is that the birds and old tractors and what songs threads, that you also don't have to click on. are not targeted for the You are all stupid angry rants is because those threads are quick and easy to enjoy and understand and do not have differences of opinion or require boring current affairs reading to participate in?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 7, 2016 - 10:33am PT
The small Gov. people want to make sure that the Government stops all Abortions of possibly deformed or brain damaged babies, or any other reason for a legitimate abortion.

Since when are Republicans "small government"? They haven't paid lip service to small government for a decade and in truth gave up on it in practice over a half a century ago.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 11:09am PT
#DuckQuack
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Trump tries any attack on anyone who dares to criticize him. Of course, that attack would seem pretty absurd coming from the guy whose group of economic advisers is the most elite of the elite from Wall Street.

Check out the list: it's very rich, white males from hedge funds and other Wall Street groups. Incredibly, there is only ONE economist on his list of economic advisers.

Try to find any past presidential candidate whose economic advisers were not even economists.

His group's expertise is simply at making money.

Great for them, but certainly not a good measure of skill in macroeconomic policy. It's really ironic coming from the candidate who attacks his opponent for being beholding to Wall Street, simply because she made speeches.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 11:31am PT
Here’s the Harvard Republican Club’s statement:

Dear Members and Alumni,

In every presidential election since 1888, the members and Executive Board of the Harvard Republican Club have gathered to discuss, debate, and eventually endorse the standard-bearer of our party. But for the first time in 128 years, we, the oldest College Republicans chapter in the nation, will not be endorsing the Republican nominee.

Donald Trump holds views that are antithetical to our values not only as Republicans, but as Americans. The rhetoric he espouses –from racist slander to misogynistic taunts– is not consistent with our conservative principles, and his repeated mocking of the disabled and belittling of the sacrifices made by prisoners of war, Gold Star families, and Purple Heart recipients is not only bad politics, but absurdly cruel.

If enacted, Donald Trump’s platform would endanger our security both at home and abroad. Domestically, his protectionist trade policies and draconian immigration restrictions would enlarge our federal deficit, raise prices for consumers, and throw our economy back into recession. Trump’s global outlook, steeped in isolationism, is considerably out-of-step with the traditional Republican stance as well. The flippancy with which he is willing to abdicate the United States’ responsibility to lead is alarming. Calling for the US’ withdrawal from NATO and actively endorsing nuclear proliferation, Donald Trump’s foreign policy would wreak havoc on the established world order which has held aggressive foreign powers in check since World War II.

Perhaps most importantly, however, Donald Trump simply does not possess the temperament and character necessary to lead the United States through an increasingly perilous world. The last week should have made obvious to all what has been obvious to most for more than a year. In response to any slight –perceived or real– Donald Trump lashes out viciously and irresponsibly. In Trump’s eyes, disagreement with his actions or his policies warrants incessant name calling and derision: stupid, lying, fat, ugly, weak, failing, idiot –and that’s just his “fellow” Republicans.

He isn’t eschewing political correctness. He is eschewing basic human decency.

Donald Trump, despite spending more than a year on the campaign trail, has either refused or been unable to educate himself on issues that matter most to Americans like us. He speaks only in platitudes, about greatness, success, and winning. Time and time again, Trump has demonstrated his complete lack of knowledge on critical matters, meandering from position to position over the course of the election. When confronted about these frequent reversals, Trump lies in a manner more brazen and shameless than anything politics has ever seen.

Millions of people across the country are feeling despondent. Their hours have been cut, wages slashed, jobs even shipped overseas. But Donald Trump doesn’t have a plan to fix that. He has a plan to exploit that.

Donald Trump is a threat to the survival of the Republic. His authoritarian tendencies and flirtations with fascism are unparalleled in the history of our democracy. He hopes to divide us by race, by class, and by religion, instilling enough fear and anxiety to propel himself to the White House. He is looking to to pit neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, American against American. We will not stand for this vitriolic rhetoric that is poisoning our country and our children.

President Reagan called on us to maintain this, our shining city on a hill. He called on us to maintain freedom abroad by keeping a strong presence in the world. He called on us to maintain liberty at home by upholding the democratic process and respecting our opponents. He called on us to maintain decency in our hearts by loving our neighbor.

He would be ashamed of Donald Trump. We are too.

This fall, we will instead focus our efforts on reclaiming the Republican Party from those who have done it considerable harm, campaigning for candidates who will uphold the conservative principles that have defined the Republican Party for generations. We will work to ensure both chambers of Congress remain in Republican hands, continuing to protect against executive overreach regardless of who wins the election this November.

We call on our party’s elected leaders to renounce their support of Donald Trump, and urge our fellow College Republicans to join us in condemning and withholding their endorsement from this dangerous man. The conservative movement in America should not and will not go quietly into the night.

A longtime student of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville once said, “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”

De Tocqueville believed in the United States. Americans are a decent people. We work hard, protect our own, and look out for one another in times of need, regardless of the color of our skin, the God we worship, or our party registration. Donald Trump may not believe in that America, but we do. And that America will never cease to be great.

The Harvard Republican Club
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 11:33am PT
Top Nazi leader: Trump will be a ‘real opportunity’ for white nationalists


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/07/top-nazi-leader-trump-will-be-a-real-opportunity-for-white-nationalists/?utm_term=.51d77e1eee47
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
What do his tax returns hide: Is he an agent of Russia?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
I personally doubt Trump is an agent of Russia or any other country

I suspect he knows that if he does release his tax returns the effect would be very negative on his campaign

they may show he pays little or no Federal tax

they may prove his net worth claims to be a total lie

they may also prove he lied Ugely about his giving to charities boasts

Mitt Romney also did not want to release his returns, and sure enough when he released his 2011 return it showed me paid only 14% Federal, far less than average middle class Americans
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
Can Trump actually withhold his tax returns all the way to (or past) the election? Is there any legal requirement that a POTUS candidate must release their returns, or has it just been customary?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
Can Trump actually withhold his tax returns all the way to (or past) the election? Is there any legal requirement that a POTUS candidate must release their returns, or has it just been customary?

There's no law--it's merely been customary and every other presidential candidate has disclosed at least one year of tax returns. Some have released several years.

Curt
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
Trump finally found a rocker to let him use his music for his inauguration...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
Sure he can

No requirement
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
Trump is hiding the tip money that he stole from struggling American workers...Shame knows no boundries...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
Wow...that would be an interesting precedent to set. I betcha we'll see more candidates withholding, of either political color.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
Cosmic...Quit attacking me...My pussy hurts...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:57pm PT

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/05/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-says-hillary-clinton-wants-ra/


But don't let these facts get in the way of your rant, Cosmic....
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
Donald Trump wrongly says Hillary Clinton wants to raise taxes on the middle class



"Wait, what?" was the reaction of the Clinton campaign too. Spokesman Josh Schwerin told us Clinton actually said the exact opposite.

He pointed to numerous reporters who agreed and forwarded us a transcript of Clinton’s prepared remarks that reads, "We aren’t going to to raise taxes on the middle class."

It’s a classic case of she-heard-he-heard, so we asked experts to arbitrate. They agreed with the Clinton camp and offered some technical evidence to prove it. Get ready for some science.

Alan Yu, a linguistics professor at the University of Chicago who specializes in phonology, ran the audio through a computer program called Praat, which analyzes phonetics.

By analyzing the sound waves, we can see that Clinton was saying "aren’t," because she definitely pronounced the "n," though she didn’t really hit the "t."


Edward Flemming, a linguistics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also ran the audio through Praat and came up with the same results. But even if we didn’t have Praat, he said, context alone sways the argument in the Clinton camp’s favor.

"Also if she was going to say ‘we are going to’, wouldn’t she contract it to ‘we’re’, as she does a few words earlier?" Flemming pointed out. "To my ears, it is clear that she is saying ‘aren’t’."

Clinton’s tax plan, by the way, does not change the tax rates for the middle class and instead targets the wealthy through small reforms.


Another LIE Debunked

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/05/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-says-hillary-clinton-wants-ra/
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 7, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
"Wait, what?" was the reaction of the Clinton campaign too. Spokesman Josh Schwerin told us Clinton actually said the exact opposite.


Lol. Winning!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 7, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
No wonder Pyro, Comic, Potato Head and Blue like him...biggest liar presidential history.

Go Donald...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-historic-liar_us_57a72edce4b03ba680129d06
Norton

Social climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
When Trump lies constantly and effortlessly it is ignored by his thread supporters.

Yet when they are proven emphatically wrong about Hillary NOT raising taxes they dig in and insist they are right

Psychology 101 in action, what does that say about them?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Of course that's 'what you heard', Cosmic.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Aug 7, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
Do you suppose that while the Kremlin is digging out Clinton's emails they might also dig out Donald's tax returns?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 7, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Donnie Corn Hair has those tax returns locked down so tight that the KGB could not even find them. No way he will ever release the returns.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 7, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
No wonder Pyro, Comic, Potato Head and Blue like him...biggest liar presidential history.

Just think, he had to out-lie Politifact's Liar of the Year 2013 - none other than El Presidente Barry Obeezy to claim the title.

A new low indeed!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
Must not have been an election year - 2013.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
That all depends on what your definition of is.... Is
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 7, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
"B0b D'uh...I've never said I like Trump. I just like poking fun at old angry ego-maniacs like you and F. The only thing you can come up with is regurgitated google facts and picking on people who disagree with you. Brainwashed lo0onzzz "


That funny coming from you.

You still don't understand that google is a search engine. A fact is a fact, period.


I picked on poor little Riley, the same guy who made fun of me for having open heart surgery. Little warped don't you think?

c wilmot

climber
Aug 7, 2016 - 05:18pm PT
Wanna know something? Well...Beethoven's 5th symphony was inspired by his 5th orgasm. It's true- it's a fact
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Aug 7, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
The Harvard Republican Club! What a bunch of spoiled brat idealists. They whine about how socially they oppose Trump. But these kids are mostly heirs to considerable money. They are fortunate enough to be in a position to get management and government jobs if they need to work. They dont give a damn about the working class. How many of those polo players ever dug dtches or laid forms or pounded nails? Id wager theres not a real tree cutter among them. Its easy for them to shrink from responsibility and endorse Hillaries social engineering. Its not going to hurt them at all. Its easier for them to be like good little sheep and go with the politically correct because they wont ever have to pay for it
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
They will, if the bomb is dropped on Boston.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
Cosmic comes out endorsing CLINTON. I'm amazed!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 7, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
apogee