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dirtbag

climber
Nov 11, 2016 - 10:22pm PT
Good for you. You were right.

So what?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 11, 2016 - 10:24pm PT

November 11, 2016

The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy

“Reform always provokes rage on the part of those who profit by the old order.” Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., The Crisis of the Old Order

Paul Craig Roberts

Who are the anti-Trump protesters besmirching the name of progressives by pretending to be progressives and by refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election? They look like, and are acting worse than, the “white trash” that they are denouncing.

I think I know who they are. They are thugs for hire and are paid by the Oligarchy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency in the way that Washington and the German Marshall Fund paid students in Kiev to protest the democratically elected Ukrainian government in order to prepare the way for a coup.

The organization, change.org, which claims to be a progressive group, but might be a front, along with other progressive groups, for the Oligarchy, is destroying the reputation of all progressives by circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary. Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions.

The Western presstitutes used the protests in Kiev to delegitimize a democratically elected government and to set it up for a coup. The protest pay was good enough that non-Ukrainians came from nearby countries to participate in the protest in order to collect the money. At the time I posted the amounts paid daily to protesters. Reports came in to me from Eastern and Western Europe from people who were not Ukrainian but were paid to protest as if they were Ukrainians.

The same thing is going on with the Trump protests. CNN reports that “for many Americans across the country, Donald Trump’s victory is an outcome they simply refuse to accept. Tens of thousands filled the streets in at least 25 US cities overnight.” This is the exact reporting that the Oligarchy desired from its presstitutes and got.

I hope no one thinks that simultaneous protests in 25 cities were a spontaneous event. How did 25 independent protests manage to come up with the same slogans and the same signs on the same night following the election?

What is the point of the protests, and what interest is served by them? As the Romans always asked, “who benefits?”

There is only one answer: The Oligarchy and only the Oligarchy benefits.

Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends to stop the giveaway of American jobs to foreigners. The jobs giveaway, sanctified by the neoliberal junk economists as “free trade,” is one of the main reasons for the 21st century worsening of the US income distribution. Money that was formerly paid in middle class wages and salaries to American manufacturing employees and college graduates has been re-routed to the pockets of the One Percent.

When US corporations move their production of goods and services sold to Americans offshore to Asian countries, such as China and India, their wage bill falls. The money formerly paid in middle class incomes goes instead into executive bonuses and dividends and capital gains to shareholders. The ladders of upward mobility that had made America the land of opportunity were dismantled for the sole purpose of making a handful of people multi-billionaires.

Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia.

Accustomed to many decades of excess profits from the profitable Cold War, the military/security complex was angry when President Reagan brought the Cold War to an end. Before these leaches on American taxpayers could get the Cold War going again, the Soviet Union collapsed as a result of a right-wing coup against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev.

The military/security complex and their zionist neoconservative agents cooked up “the war on terror” to keep the money flowing to the One Percent. But as hard as the presstitute media worked to create fear of “the Muslim threat,” even insouciant Americans knew that the Muslims did not have thousands of ICBMs carrying powerful thermo-nuclear weapons capable of destroying the entirety of the United States in a few minutes. Neither did the Muslims have the Red Army capable of overrunning all of Europe in a couple of days. Indeed, the Muslims haven’t needed an army. Refugees from Washington’s wars enabled by Europeans are overrunning Europe.

The excuse for the annual trillion dollar ($1,000 billion ) military/security budget was missing. So the Oligarchy created “the New Hitler” in Russia. Hillary was the Oligarchy’s principle agent for heating up the new Cold War.

Hillary is the tool, enriched by the Oligarchy, whose job as President was to protect and to increase the trillion dollar budget of the military/security complex. With Hillary in the White House, the looting of the American taxpayers in behalf of the wealth of the One Percent could go forward unimpeded. But if Trump resolves “the Russian threat,” the Oligarchy takes an income hit.

Hillary’s job as President was also to privatize Social Security in order that her Wall Street benefactors can rip off Americans the way that Americans have been ripped off by the insurance companies under Obamacare.

Those Americans who do not pay attention think, mistakenly, that the FBI cleared Hillary of violating National Security protocols with her email practices. The FBI said that Hillary did violate National Security, but that it was a result of carelessness or ignorance. She got off from indictment, because the FBI concluded that she did not intentionally violate National Security protocols. The investigation of the Clinton Foundation continues.

In other words, in order to protect Hillary the FBI fell back on the ancient common law rule that “there can be no crime without intent.” (See PCR and Lawrence Stratton, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.)

One would think that protesters, if they were legitimate, would be celebrating Trump’s victory. He, unlike Hillary, promises to reduce tensions with powerful Russia, and we hope also with China. Unlike Hillary, Trump says he is concerned with the absence of careers for those very people protesting in the streets of 25 cities against him.

In other words, the protests against the American people for electing Trump as their president are pointless. The protests are happening for one reason only. The Oligarchy intends to delegitimize the Trump Presidency. Once President Trump is delegitimized, it will be easier for the Oligarchy to assassinate him. Unless the Oligarchy can appoint and control Trump’s government, Trump is a prime candidate for assassination.

The protests against Trump are suspicious for another reason. Unlike Hillary, Obama, and George W. Bush, Donald Trump has not slaughtered and dislocated millions of peoples in seven countries, sending millions of refugees from the Oligarchy’s wars to overrun Europe.

Trump earned his fortune, and if by hook or crook, not by selling US government influence to foreign agents as Bill and Hillary did.

So what are the protesters protesting?

There is no answer except that they are hired to protest. Just as the Maidan protesters in Kiev were hired to protest by US and German financed NGOs.

The protests in Kiev were equally pointless, because presidential elections were only months away. If Ukrainians really believed that their president was conspiring with Russia to keep Ukraine from becoming a Western puppet state and wished to become a puppet state regardless of the costs, the opportunity to vote the government out was at hand. The only reason for the protests was to orchestrate a coup. The US did succeed in putting their agent in control of the new Ukrainian government as Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev confirmed in their telephone conversation that is available on the Internet.

The Maidan protests were pointless except for making a coup possible. The protests were without any doubt arranged by Washington through Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, a neoconservative brought into the State Department by Hillary Clinton for the purpose of creating conflict with Russia.

Trump is being protested in order to make him vulnerable in the event he proves to be the threat to the Oligarchy that he is thought to be.

Trump won the presidency, but the Oligarchy is still in power, which makes any real reforms difficult to achieve. Symbolic reforms can be the product of the contest between President Trump and the oligarchs.

Karl Marx learned from historical experience, and Lenin, Stalin, and Pol Pot learned from Karl Marx, that change cannot occur if the displaced ruling class is left intact after a revolution against them. We have proof of this throughout South America. Every revolution by the indigenous people has left unmolested the Spanish ruling class, and every revolution has been overthrown by collusion between the ruling class and Washington.

Washington has conspired with traditional elites to remove the elected presidents of Honduras on a number of occasions. Recently, Washington helped elites evict the female presidents of Argentina and Brazil. The presidents of Venezuela, Ecuador, and Bolivia are in the crosshairs and are unlikely to survive. Washington is determined to get its hands on Julian Assange. To achieve this Washington intends to overthrow the Ecuadoran government that, in defiance of Washington, gave Julian Assange political asylum.

Hugo Chavez had the power to exile or to exterminate the Spanish ruling class in Venezuela when the ruling class participated in a CIA coup against Chavez. But before the CIA could kill Chavez, the people and the military forced his release. Instead of punishing the criminals who would have murdered him, Chavez let them go.

According to Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, this is the classic mistake of the revolutionary. To rely on good will from the overthrown ruling class is the certain road to the defeat of the revolution.

Latin American has proved itself unable to learn this lesson: Revolutions cannot be conciliatory.

Trump is a dealmaker. The Oligarchy can permit him the sheen of success in exchange for no real change.

Trump is not perfect. He might fail on his own. But we should back him on the two most important elements in his program: to reduce tensions between the major nuclear powers, and to halt Washington’s policy of permitting globalism to destroy Americans’ economic prospects.

If tensions between nuclear powers worsen, we won’t be here to worry about other problems. The combination of the economy hollowed out by globalism and immigration is an economic nightmare. That Trump understands this is reason to support him.

Note: Some believe that Trump is a ruse conducted by the Oligarchy. However, as Hillary is the bought-and-paid-for representative of the Oligarchy, such an elaborate ruse is unnecessary. It is preferable for the Oligarchy to win on its own platform than to install a president on the opposite platform and then change him around. Another sellout increases the anger of the people. If Hillary had won, the Oligarchy would have had the voters’ mandate for their platform.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 11, 2016 - 10:26pm PT
but what about the poor white trash anti-trump rioters? should they shoot themselves?
dirtbag

climber
Nov 11, 2016 - 10:31pm PT
I think I know who they are. They are thugs for hire and are paid by the Oligarchy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency in the way that Washington and the German Marshall Fund paid students in Kiev to protest the democratically elected Ukrainian government in order to prepare the way for a coup

Christ, you probably actually believe this tin foil hat gobblygoop.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 11, 2016 - 10:56pm PT
I thought one of the effects of this election was that people no longer believe or trust the controlled commercial media. However as I have mentioned before, some people who post on these threads are so poorly informed and opinionated, that it seems a waste of time to participate in discussions. However I find that interesting and informative. I also realize other climbers are paying attention and are not afraid to do some homework; and yet wouldn't subject themselves to the attention of those who are oblivious and in denial and complacency. So go do your own homework to support or evaluate your opinions. I am here to learn, and there are insightful observations and contributions interspersed with the rude banter.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 11, 2016 - 11:39pm PT
The first significant step of the new administration comes while Trump is not even in office. Obama, selfishly concerned with his historic legacy, suddenly makes a 180 degree turn and starts to implement Trump polices. Obama, obviously as a direct consequence of the Trump election, now ordered the Pentagon to wage war on al-Qaeda in Syria just as the Russians do. This after five years of nearly unlimited U.S. support for al-Qaeda and its "moderate" Syrian affiliates. It is not yet know what new orders, if any, Obama gave to the CIA. Will the CIA follow these policies or will it (again) try to counter the Pentagon policies in Syria? It is unusual that the WaPo report above about this new direction includes no commenting voice from the CIA. Why is such missing?

Russia and Syria will welcome the new Obama policies should they come to fruit on the ground. Hillary Clinton had planned and announced to widen the conflict in Syria and with Russia and Iran. Obama would surely not have acted against such policies if she had been elected. But with Trump winning and thereby a new policy on the horizon he now changed course to a direction that will provide "continuity" when Trump takes over.

He also ends U.S. government support for the disenfranchised Jihadis in Syria and elsewhere. This even months before taking office. He really is the menace we have all been warned about.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 12, 2016 - 07:03am PT
He won't sue because he'd have to testify.
And now that Melania is First Lady, she won't raise a stink to her husband.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 12, 2016 - 07:38am PT
Trump is awful, but not properly controlled by the Oligarchs
He IS an oligarch.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 12, 2016 - 07:43am PT
Not Werlau, some Canadian

After Trump Victory, Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Say 'I Told You So'

Werlau said he is still angry about what he thinks was unfair treatment of Sanders and his supporters by the Democratic National Committee.


Money for nothing or chick for Ffree?

"Americans are so angry about their incomes going down for the past 40 years, they wanted to see that anger reflected in a leader," said Exley. "And Trump had that and Bernie had that, and Clinton seemed not to know what the rest of us are going through."
Quote Here

To be published in Science

He also says his company has studied fake news and found it's a "very small volume" of the content on Facebook. He did not specify if that content is more or less viral or impactful than other information.

Weeks back Facebook algorithms accidentally promoted to "trending news" a fake story about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly pledging her support for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.


Facebook passes 1.23 billion monthly active users, 945 million mobile users, and 757 million daily users.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 12, 2016 - 07:50am PT
Rick Sumner,

You posted earlier on the theme of self reliance and taking care of yourself.

Pardon me for presuming, but from your photo (you posted it not me), you look like you'll soon be eligible for Medi-Care.

One question, if I could. And I'll opt for a straight answer: will you be using your Medi-Care benefits?
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 12, 2016 - 08:03am PT
^I'll get that one for ya. Snow is where you find it.
That does not imply that it is not where you haven't found it.


Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 12, 2016 - 08:18am PT

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mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 12, 2016 - 08:31am PT

Hey! I actually have a useful question to pose for this thread, mtnyoung.

Where's the snow line now, up SPH way? Nothing new since last weekend I take it?

Thanks buddy.

After a cold spell it's gotten unusually warm again. The pass is open and snow line is way up (so warm that we didn't even have a fire in the wood stove last night).

I think all the roads are open too.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 12, 2016 - 08:58am PT
I give him 18 months max before the repugs impeach him. He's an outsider that ran on a platform to clean up washington. Every person in both chambers in theory has a drumpf target on their back. Pence is one of them. He's your typical washington politician. Business as usual with him in charge.

Ted Cruz will lead the charge.
Loco de Pedra

Mountain climber
Around the World
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:11am PT
Now lets wait for the wall to stop all from leaving...
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:14am PT
Werner,

We all love you.

But your cant gets old.

Maybe save yourself time - develop four "standard rant posts." Then, instead of having to type out each post yet again, you could type just one simple number.

Here's an example: use this as standard Werner Post number 1:


You partisan Hillary mainstream media brainwashed loons are unfit to talk.

You've proven completely that you're clueless.

You'll save hours each week if, instead of typing all that you simply type:

"1."

I'll take my thank you online and in writing.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:26am PT
Why is anyone still talking about Hillary? She didn't win the electorate part of the system. Progressives and Moonunits need to move on and focus on dismantling anything the Pence Presidency will try to do.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I suppose I will Mtnyoung. I've paid into it my entire life and I seem to be priced out of the individuals market with the sole remaining AK insurer informing me my new 2017 premium is $3260 a month with a $6500 deductible.

For the rest of you the party is over. Get a life and adjust.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:39am PT
Werner -

Perhaps a few have a clue.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 12, 2016 - 09:43am PT

I suppose I will Mtnyoung. I've paid into it my entire life and I seem to be priced out of the individuals market with the sole remaining AK insurer informing me my new 2017 premium is $3260 a month with a $6500 deductible.

Rick,

You do understand that you haven't "paid into it" at all, right? Not a dime.

You sound like a hard-working guy, someone who's paid taxes for decades. For all of the time part of your federal taxes have gone to fund Medi-Care benefits for other people (people who are old enough to be eligible).

Now it will be your turn. Having reached an age where society thinks life should get a little easier, you'll be able to enjoy medical benefits that are paid for by others (as well you should, by the way).

That's classic (and successful) Socialism.


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