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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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OK. I'm tired of listening to Pud. He just doesn't get it.
What about Neil Armstrong? He had kids when he went to the moon. Most of the Apollo astronauts did.
The Apollo 1 crew died in a fire. All three of them had children.
So did the Apollo 13 crew, except for Swigert, who was one of the few bachelors in the astronaut program.
Talk about doing something risky.
What about soldiers who go to war? Are they irresponsible? They are all volunteers, and know the risk that they take. Why don't you get on a military bulletin board and say what you say here? You would get your ass kicked so fast that you couldn't run away even if you grew wings. What you keep saying makes me feel a little like that.
This is a climber's site, not a BASE site. So there is a very LOW BASE IQ here. I see it in many of the posts. It isn't your fault. You just haven't been around it.
Anywhere you look, where humans are taking on risky stuff, fathers will die.
Again. They were all following their path, and that path, for many, came above anything and anyone else. You guys who point fingers don't have it.
I look back to where I stepped off of that path and am filled with both regret and happiness. I deeply regret stopping something that was very meaningful to me, to be a dad, something that made me very happy. But man, I really missed it.
These people whose path is risky, and still walk it despite anything or anyone else, are driven people. They are the ones who push boundaries. They know the risk. Judging them is pure bullsh#t.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 11:35am PT
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So now you are comparing BASE jumpers to Astronauts and our military vets?
They aren't doing their jobs only for themselves.
Dude, check your ego.
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BASE104:
You would get your ass kicked so fast that you couldn't run away even if you grew wings. What you keep saying makes me feel a little like that.
I don't take threats online or in person lightly.
If you think you have the balls to back up this threat, contact me.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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ha! Missed that internet tough guy post, which Super Topo badass said that?
They must have deleted it so obviously no strength in their convictions.
And it is so clever too if you had wings you wouldn't be running you would be flying like all these base guys think they're doing
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Michael Collins, who stayed in the CSM when Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the moon, was given the opportunity to command a later mission (the commander gets to walk on the moon), he turned it down and retired from the space program because it was a such a sacrifice to his family. I have a lot of respect for that decision. I'm not sure I could turn that opportunity down.
I do think astronauts, BASE jumpers, high altitude alpine climbers, and free soloers are selfish to some degree if they have family and continue to engage in very high risk activities, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they shouldn't do them. I've read astronaut memoirs where they acknowledge it and struggle with it. Hell I'm selfish for continuing to climb even though I stick to relatively safe climbs. But it's a matter of degrees. I wouldn't tell anyone how to live their lives, but I'm not able to completely suspend my judgement. I do think these threads are useful and interesting to hear about how much risk others think is acceptable (for them personally in their situation) and the decision making process that goes into it.
P.S. I bet my wife would judge me harshly if I died because of something stupid like not finishing my knot, but would be more understanding if it was out of my control like rockfall. And I'd agree with her.
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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I don't take threats online or in person lightly.
If you think you have the balls to back up this threat, contact me.
LOL.
This forum never ceases to amuse me.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I don't take threats online or in person lightly.
If you think you have the balls to back up this threat, contact me.
That was not a personal threat, just an extrapolation.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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I really appreciate BASE's contributions. To address some of your comparisons--just from my perspective, of course--I DO think about hardcore aplinists and their ilk in the same way when they have kids. We all know that accidents can happen, but to actively seek out extreme risk when kids are in the picture strikes me as far too selfish. Perhaps this discussion and others like it might make some rad fellow/gal reconsider, but that's unlikely. It's still a worthwhile topic.
Re. astronauts: I happen to actually know one. He lived to tell the tale, and it is an amazing one. His best friend and fellow test pilot died in a spray of carbon fiber at over the speed of sound. He didn't have to do that flight; the program was moving into different hands; it was his error that caused the crash, too, like not finishing your knot or rapping off the end of the cord--simple mistake, fatal consequences. I had the profoundly painful experience of being with his wife and kids right after they got the news and later at a celebration of his life. His wife had begged him to stop those test flights. His ego was very much involved in the program, so he persisted--just one more. His wife's struggles to now raise two young kids on her own are profound. I think he owed it to them to dial back his involvement.
All of this is easy, maybe, in hindsight, but we can't stop thinking about the cost of our addictions. I was so damn impressed by Walter Bonnati when he climbed down off the Eiger and renounced high-end alpinism. The key is knowing when to pull back. I think children are one good way to know.
BAd
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Pud, you can judge (or not) and it isn't gonna change a thing. Base104 is right; some people were born to do certain things and no amount of judgement is gonna change that. It's one of the things that I personally most admired about Dean Potter. I respect your point of view on this, and maybe don't even absolutely disagree with what you're saying but that last comment to Base104 about taking his comment so seriously is pretty darned over-the-top.
I'm with yeahman. Long before becoming a parent, I felt a strong sense of responsibility to not do something too crazy-risky because of my parents. I still do, although not in the same intense way that I do for my two children. Children are certainly not the only ones who's lives are devastated in these events.
I don't know but this guy dikhed is reminding me of burch. They both seem to thrive best in the dirt.
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WBraun
climber
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some people were born to do certain things and no amount of judgement is gonna change that.
Yes .. 100% spot on .....
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Something tells me he knows dick head well
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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It's in our DNA people.
What kind of species would we be without it?
Better a koala than a lion or tiger or chimpanzee?
I don't think so.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Base doesn't jump he just likes to encourage others to jump.
D#@&%e much!
Cheerleading prick!
Armchair sociopath!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Koalas have STDs we are probably more like them
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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It is easy to be a coward who judges others from the comfort of their chair.
It isn't my place to judge.
Sorry, you just contradicted yourself. You have a tendency to judge people A LOT.
Don't talk the talk, if you can't walk the walk.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Base doesn't jump he just likes to encourage others to jump.
D#@&%e much!
Cheerleading prick!
Armchair sociopath!
Flip Flop, I don't understand your hard on for BASE104. You do know that the BASE104 moniker means he was the 104th certified base jumper? Prior to that he did a number of walls in the ditch and climbs in the alps. He has moved on but his insight is relative. If you knew him you would get it.
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Cheerleading prick!
go basejumpers
sis boom bah
jump off the cliff
fly by the rock
make a sick vid
piss off the wuffos
but don't go in
cuz it's not very cool
rah rah rah
goooooooooooooooooo TEAM!
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Jul 28, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
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Hey,
What about cops and soldiers? What about loggers? Should they quit their jobs when they have kids?
Is it only Ok to take risks when you have a family if you are getting paid for it? Or only if you aren't?
Please advise.
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Jul 28, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
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cost of BASE?....Life!
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