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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:23am PT
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Me too but i got over it...Escoencylopedia is entitled to his remarks which sometimes are funny and provocative...How's the boating ekat...?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:25am PT
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Reading comprehension, people! There's no judgement implicit in the 'true colors' statement.
Put the guillotine away.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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Well, if i recall correctly from grade school ......> A flatworm.. eats and shits out of the same hole..
excuse me for laughing...edit> and being sharp.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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I'm at a loss trying to understand how a flatworm gets knickers so bunched up.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID or the fricken Bakken, variously
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:46am PT
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Madness!
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 24, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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Steel Monkey said:
Seems like this is the current Visitor's Center?
From Aug. 2015. I think you're right. That changeover may have been a while back too.
Maybe the stone building is now used for campground reservations, possibly backcountry permits?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 24, 2016 - 10:03am PT
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I'm at a loss trying to understand how a flatworm gets knickers so bunched up.
Well Reilly, Escopeta isn't really a flatworm. Hope that helps...
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mikeyschaefer
climber
Sport-o-land
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Jun 24, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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Pretty sad to see the Rat Room closed down. Some of the best days of my life were spent hanging there. so many good nights spent at the campfire listening to TM, Swilliam and a host of others. The Gas-ineering was truly a special place.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 24, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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Typical smarmy response from the new supertopo flatworm.
Idaho, the home of ex LAPD cops, mormons, and flatworms.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 24, 2016 - 12:00pm PT
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I believe Esc may be a were-tapeworm. :0)
So, D.R., laid this out, about space for f*#king cars...
There wasn't enough room there anyway,
for all the people who wanted to get off the road and hike in the woods.
The road was laid out first to get traffic through the park. It was a grand thing they did, the engineers and the NPS. It really keeps the place pristine if it's managed correctly. But it is not, as we know.
If there are only a few pull-outs then traffic tends to keep moving. It's a two-laner always was, and that's good. Minimal impact is best. NO THROUGH TRUCKS is what I like, too. Keeps problems from occurring that would be nightmarish. The rule is like a stool softener.
I can imagine how harrowing it might be, though, trying to drop off a pack of hikers with no pull-outs, but then the ideal would have been for the NPS to provide buses to shuttle hikers in and out. A small shuttle stop with enough space to load and un-load safely would be minimal impact and get the job done.
And they need to be run on a timetable, running every so often, several times a day. The scheduling for high country runs now is such that if I wanted to go there, taking the earliest bus from Merced, I would get to the village AFTER the one bus has already left.
Needless to say, I'd have to spend an extra day in the valley or hitch out from Camp 4 that day. There goes my timetable for the hike.
God knows where the buses would load lower down, but El Portal would be a good place, IF you can find parking!
The scenario unfolds in my mind as I type of a car with tourons which has pulled into the bus stop to take pictures and the bus has its tail out in the lane...not good. But it beats a larger PL and many vehicles entering the area that don't need to be there. An entry gate that only the shuttle drivers can open remotely might eliminate that scene.
Trouble is that people want to camp in the high country and there are so many of them that a large campground is a must, if that is to be allowed. I think it never should have been allowed, ever.
Planning is not easy. Hindsight is, however. We have experienced a growth of wilderness use that was likely totally un-dreamed of when the Park Service first okayed a road over the top so long ago.
All you ST kiddies who lived there when younger are right to lament the passing of things such as the school and gas station, but they ought not to have been there in the first place, IMO. So you must, and I'm sure you all do, appreciate your luck in having been able to work and play and hang where you did when you did. It's been a pleasure reading of your experiences.
nita, you should write a memoir...
You'd be very pleased with your results, I'm sure, if you find time.
I have been choking on bile over the mismanagement of the high country by the NPS over the years. They allowed WAY TOO MANY FOLKS access to the place. Camping out of a car is a recommended method of building a healthy appreciation of the outdoors. But it doesn't need to come at the expense of abusing or changing the places which are unique and to be preserved for that uniqueness alone.
In all fairness to the bureaucracy, they gain experience by their mistakes, like anyone, if it's pointed out that it is a mistake, whether they do anything to rectify it or not. It's up to us to ensure responsible folk are in those offices. We do a shitty job.
We have only ourselves to blame and there's a lot of blame to go around.
In fact, the amount is HUGE! :0)
God bless you helpful Canadians, too!
edit: Walleye, I meant to say those are sorta genius-level and priceless images, bud.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 24, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
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The guide skool should get big azz trailer and tow it up there in the summer as their headquarters for their assaults onto the domes.
Get the trailer Dave B ......
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jun 24, 2016 - 12:27pm PT
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Wouldn't it have been more logical, from an environmental perspective, to shut down the gas station, remove the pumps, dig out the gas tanks, and simply leave the building with the mountain store and YMS where they were? I can see keeping the nasty gasoline drippings out of the meadow aqua-fir, but what environmental 'harm' was the guide school and mountain shop doing anyway? More chalk on the rocks spoiling the Meadows' wilderness experience? Seems more like a way to kill the culture so the rock climbing 'problem' is so greatly reduced that it disappears.
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kief
Trad climber
east side
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Jun 24, 2016 - 12:40pm PT
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Maybe the stone building is now used for campground reservations, possibly backcountry permits?
I don't know about campground reservations but they dole out backcountry permits from a building surrounded by a huge parking lot right after you turn off 120 to go to the lodge.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Jun 24, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
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Slabs
Manboobs
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Dogfish
Trad climber
Squid Valley
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Jun 24, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
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Ugh, another end of another era. Nic would not be happy.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 24, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
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TM is a much better place for beginning and intermediate classes and guided clients when compared to Yosemite Valley. Especially in high summer.
The Valley is super crowded most of the time anyway right?
Maybe the final solution will be to relocate all of YMS down by the sewage treatment plant outside of El Portal.
Guides will present clients with a 10 min. screening of an excerpt from the film Valley Uprising, then shuttle them to an air-conditioned gym in Sacramento.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 24, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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Nic would not be happy.
No doubt- what so ever...
He is wagging his index finger and shaking his head right now saying..."Jesus Christ .Bleep _ - _Bleep _ - _ Bleep !!
edit:
Maybe the final solution will be to relocate all of YMS down by the sewage treatment plant outside of El Portal.
Guides will present clients with a 10 min. screening of an excerpt from the film Valley Uprising, then shuttle them to an air-conditioned gym in Sacramento. LOL....
edit, the ridiculous icebox room... > Cal OSHA...No windows, ventilation or escape route..
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jun 24, 2016 - 05:01pm PT
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Any truth to the rumor Tuolumne Meadows has been renamed Majestic Meadows? Some kind of copyright thing. I heard the signs have already been changed.
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fosburg
climber
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
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+1 Roy
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
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Bruce Morris said:
Seems more like a way to kill the culture so the rock climbing 'problem' is so greatly reduced that it disappears. Bingo.
Guiding and gear sales are seen as a liability, especially in the hideously risk-averse climate of American culture today.
Even Chouinard realized some time ago, it is much safer and more profitable just to sell the clothing.
Sell the dream, sell the idea, sell the pants. But God help us should we succeed in providing folks with the skills and requisite mindset to actually pursue the activity with grace and passion.
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