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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Jun 24, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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Must be something I don't know about this. No pullouts on the TM road?
People will stop and take pictures regardless. Where will they stop?
On the road.
I was a ranger up there for a couple of summers, and will testify that there is a substantial portion of the public which leaves their brains at the entrance station. Could this be true of planners?
What is it I don't understand about this plan? Please enlighten me.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Jun 24, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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Oh no, where's Grant going to sleep.?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jun 24, 2016 - 10:36pm PT
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This horrific news and turn of events is a perverted mutation resembling the Military–industrial complex, Stalin’s Organ ("They didn't let you sleep? Well, after all, this is not supposed to be a vacation resort.”), and a classic example of the ”Abilene paradox.”
Nobody wants this, not even most NPS old timer’s. Maybe a few “drive by” planners who have since moved on to their next grade increase, or NPS planners who want to box in visitors as an inconvenience to management of “their Park.”
I commented years ago about the Tioga Road rehabilitation project and how the so-called storm water conveyance “improvements” (curbing) would basically corral all parking into designated areas, thereby eliminating most of the impromptu parking along the road, particularly between Tenaya Lake and the pass. Since these “improvements” were handled separately from the TRP, I consider this “segmentation.” Those knowledgeable with the NEPA will relate (read: vulnerable to injunction).
I’ve been a regular visitor to TM and the Tioga Road since the early 1960’s, including BC ranger 82 to 94. Not much has changed, or needed to. Why now? Please throw away the “TRP.” It’s neither needed, afforded, wanted, nor a good idea. It’s no more than a solution in search of a problem (that doesn’t exist).
Edit: Before the CCC Mess Hall, the original YMS for TM was at the TM Lodge, housed in that rectangular concrete-slab tent nearest the back dock. That's a lot better than an ice locker!
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 24, 2016 - 11:15pm PT
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Majestic Meadows? Forest Lawn to be exact.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 24, 2016 - 11:19pm PT
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Chris wrote:
I think the TRP calls for all turnouts through the meadows to be removed, no stopping just take photos as you drive through. Cathedral Peak Parking to be moved to a new lot at the visitor center. Possible removal of parking/turnouts at Glen Aulin shortcut. Wayne wrote:
No pullouts on the TM road? Just current unpaved pullouts in the section next to the main meadow, apparently, and maybe up the hill for the Glen Aulin shortcut.
The current Cathedral parking is messy.
But good luck getting approval to pave a new lot?
Maybe park where the gas station was?
Where to park and take photos of meadow?
 paved pullout at W end of meadow
visitor's center
store/grill
Lembert Dome
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jun 25, 2016 - 07:16am PT
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nita bump
I am not on the Escopotato H8T crew but this was funny and well deserved for Esopeter's other trolls and general pot-stirring.
Flatworms
Unlike other bilaterians, they are acoelomates (having no body cavity), and have no specialized circulatory and respiratory organs, which restricts them to having flattened shapes that allow oxygen and nutrients to pass through their bodies by diffusion. The digestive cavity has only one opening for both ingestion (intake of nutrients) and egestion (removal of undigested wastes);
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatworm
Funniest comment in weeks.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 25, 2016 - 07:28am PT
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^^^ That was a good one.
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CF
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2016 - 11:57am PT
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 25, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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Why don't they build a building where people can get out of the rain?
....so people can get ready to climb in the rain.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jun 25, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
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I heard from a high-ranking anonymous source in the Access Fund that they were told that a mountain shop with gear, shoes and ropes etc. could be built in Lee Vining.
"Let's all caravan to Lee Vining this morning to buy a couple blocks of chalk."
None too convenient I'd opine.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 25, 2016 - 10:05pm PT
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Nita, I too had an employee tent at the Lodge right next to the river, back in the late 60's and early 70's. That was the place to stay for the summer!! It was about 20 yards to the "Side Hall" where the employees ate. You could go in there for a meal and run into Wayne Merry, Loyd Price, Tom Gherughty, T.M. Herbert, etc. One day Warren Harding stuck his head in the door to talk to Loyd Price. Those days are gone, but were so wonderful for those lucky enough to be there. At that time, the Manager, Martha, had a tent just upstream from the dining room, I think the cook did too. Those were the best ones.
With modern texting and cell phones, you could run YMS from the Lodge front desk. The clerks could have a list of available guides, and just text them. Not ideal by a long shot, but it might be better than knocking on the door of a giant ice chest. Another possibility would be to move YMS to the Tioga Resort. Although it is just outside the Park, it is close enough. You could give beginning lessons at some of the Ellery Lake climbs.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 25, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
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Aspendough, Thanks for your memories...fun.... Martha is still the manager...She is in her late 80's.
Did you over lap with Grant Hiskes? His last summer was 75 or 76...?
When i worked at the Lodge, Lloyd Price had his Motor home at the lodge next to the wood shed and T.M. was still around.
Here is a picture of Martha as a young woman when she worked in Tuolumne..
The kitchen looked the same^ when i worked in the Meadows..many moons later..
I have the old side hall curtains ..i snagged them when they updated.
cool, I'm... Number *100....
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 26, 2016 - 11:22am PT
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Dictate globally....regret locally.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 11:40am PT
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That's an interesting change. Can't say that it was a truly needed facility. I don't recall ever buying gas there unless I needed to top off to get me to cheaper gas in Mammoth.
Escopeta posted Dictate globally....regret locally.
I can't believe the government shut down a government created monopoly on government land. So oppressive.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 26, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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Rejoice! I hear they are putting rails in the road so that people will get transported through Yosemite just like Jurassic Park complete with door locks to prevent anyone from exiting the vehicles.
You will be able to view Werner in his custom electric-fence enclosure. And throw him snacks you purchase at the vendor machine in the visitors center.
Watch out for the angry ranchers though, they roam freely.
I don't recall ever buying gas there unless I needed to top off to get me to cheaper gas in Mammoth
Anecdata!! If you don't need anything, no one needs anything.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Jun 26, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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Unfortunate about the YMS getting thrown out "into the cold." The gas station loss is pretty minor (imho).
But, as the pic that Nita posted reminded me, I'll never get over the loss of the Toulumne Grill (converted into the High Country McDonalds).
Ultimately, none of these changes will significantly impact the ability to climb all of the great routes and formations. And, again imho, only a snobbish crank would dismiss the huge variety of Meadows climbing as "slabs."
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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hey there say, thanks for sharing, all...
me, i don't know about any of this stuff... so it has been interesting
to read it all...
thanks again... :)
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 11:47pm PT
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What was the cost of cleaning up the tanks and the plume?
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jun 27, 2016 - 03:56am PT
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The elite don't pump gas.
So it's gone.
Park decisions seem to be principled on exclusivity of the masses, hence the ever decreasing camp spots and ever more expensive comfort accommodation.
Our fight for Camp 4 was a good one, at least.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 27, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
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Maybe it would be more honest to say we're sad on this day?
Majestic Yosemite Hotel? No more Tuolumne gas station? No more gear shopping in Tuolumne Meadows?
Not the kind of things that make me sad, but sorry if you're sad on this day. Lots of fun still to be had for us, even if that gear is suffering the indignity of being locked in an ice chest, and the gasoline has been banished to less beautiful locales.
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