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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 08:28am PT
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Its unclear to me how a phone call could even put you in the running for ST tough guy status?
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2016 - 08:41am PT
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That is were you are wrong, Burch. All this information ST folks have found, I have given to the authorities (thanks everyone!). Not sure they can prosecute for this as it stands, but should this guy get caught in the act, I believe he could be charged with this one after the fact.
I'll keep everyone posted on the clean-up effort.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:15am PT
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If by chance I happen to talk to 3 AM there will be no screaming or yelling
I'll explain the situation to him From a climbers
Perspective and ill ask him to go climbing with me.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:40am PT
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Lordy yes, we should turn him over to the authorities...
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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Suspended adolescence? Check.
Works at a tattoo shop? Check.
Inflated sense of self-importance? Check.
Grown man climbing fences and spraypainting? Double-check.
Sounds like a climber at heart...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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I called. Not threatening.
I informed the machine that they are now associated with a suspected vandal and that climbers are likely to inform the authorities. Also that they are making enemies. Casual but true.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:36am PT
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Hush money/new tattoo
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:39am PT
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Funny, when I see rocks or even buildings tagged it does irritate me. However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged. I guess both are just as bad though?
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Funny, when I see rocks or even buildings tagged it does irritate me. However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged.
In my overblown opinion, punks tag trains so that they can have a tiny piece of their tortured souls attached to a mobile piece of America, spreading word and proof of their existence all across the country.
That's where these idiots who tag rocks fall a bit short.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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"However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged."
I hate it. Here are more reasons to hate it.
http://www3.epa.gov/ttnchie1/conference/ei19/session7/leskys.pdf
Establishing Graffiti Emissions as a Nonpoint Source Sector
Algirdas M. Leskys, P.E., J.D.
ABSTRACT
Nationally, the annual cost of monitoring, detecting, removing, and repairing graffiti damage has
been estimated as high as $15 to $18 billion. In Clark County, Nevada, it has been estimated that the
costs to the public and private sectors are $30 million annually. These significant costs emphasize the
importance of educating young people about the consequences of graffiti.
Yet noticeably missing from many graffiti education campaigns is detailed discussion about the
impact graffiti has on air quality. In 1994, former EPA Deputy Administrator, Alvin Alm, observed that
the United States was ―. . . nurturing a new generation that has much more knowledge and a different
ethic about the relationship of man to the environment . . . .‖ That environmental ethic is arguably even
more focused today as we learn about the serious consequences of climate change.
Within Clark County, it has been estimated that volatile organic compound (VOC) emissions
from graffiti can be greater than emissions from several nonpoint sectors typically tracked by EPA. In
2008, an estimated 31 tons were emitted within Clark County, and 4,862 tons nationwide. By including
graffiti-related emissions in EPA’s triennial effort to establish a national emissions inventory,
policymakers would be in a better position to understand graffiti’s impact on air quality.
To achieve that purpose, this paper proposes a unique set of source classification codes (SCCs)
for emissions proximally related to the actual act of graffiti, and methodologies for estimating those
emissions. Collectively, these SCCs constitute the graffiti nonpoint sector.
INTRODUCTION
The U.S. Department of Justice classifies graffiti into several categories: tagging; gang-related;
artistic; isolated or spontaneous acts; malicious or vindictive acts; and ideological.1
Tagging is the most
common form of graffiti. It involves the placement of a signature marking identified with a person or
persons—for the primary purpose of being seen by others. At a national level, it has been estimated that
80 percent of all graffiti is a result of tagging activity, 10 percent is gang-related, and 5 percent is
artistic.2
Minors play a significant role in generating graffiti. In 2008, approximately 107,300 juveniles
were arrested for vandalism nationwide. Of that total, approximately 40 percent were 14 years old or
younger.3
A substantial portion of vandalism arrests are related to graffiti. In Clark County, Nevada,
there were over 500 arrests in 2007 that were graffiti-related.4
―He paints, they tag, he paints, they tag . . . .‖5
This has been described as the dance that takes
place between persons whose job it is to abate graffiti and those who generate the graffiti. Phrased in air
quality terms, the dance might go like this:
―He emits VOCs, they emit VOCs, he emits VOCs, they emit VOCs . . . .‖
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VOCs are precursors of ozone. Since emissions related to graffiti are primarily VOC-based, they
contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone.
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Tahoe Pyramid Bikeway
climber
Reno
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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Dear Rock Climbers,
I would be very surprised if the landowner (TMWA) will do anything about the graffiti, but the Tahoe-Pyramid Bikeway can provide the supplies to scrub it off if you all will help. It is a LOT of hard work, but can be done. It is a big bummer!
Our best results (upstream near the RR trestle) has been with "World's Best Graffiti Remover" and stiff nylon brushes, and lots of water. Another option would be to hire Sierra Soda Blasting (857-2606, Dexter) to sand blast it off. But it will be at least $1000 I guess.
Prosecuting seems unlikely, since this is in Sierra County, CA.
We would like to partner with you on taking care of this beautiful area. Thank you.
Janet Phillips, President
PS I don't look at this website, so best to reach me by email or phone (tahoepyramidbike@aol.com and 825-9868).
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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TJI,
I don't object to graffiti on trains or most urban environments. I enjoy the graffiti on the Donner Summit Snowsheds, mostly. But tagging on the natural environment gets my goat.
I'll scrub the stuff off.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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I'll help scrub it off. Let me know when and I'll do my best to be there.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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Prosecuting seems unlikely, since this is in Sierra County, CA.
Why is Sierra County a free-for-all?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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I found some tagger sh#t out at my local crag one time, carefully concealed in the rocks, in an expensive back pack. Chalk, paint cans, the works. Making sure the bag was zippered shut,and the chalk was free from the zip-lock Baggie, I proceeded to smash the contents across a rock until I heard the paint cans hissing and the chalk was dust. It went back to where I found it. Hopefully, the graffiti as#@&%e got the point.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
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I just called and made an appointment,To have a 3ayem tat, seems that they have had a few calls from climbersAnyone venture to guess what name I left?
Some is artAnd this is catty-corner from & in-sight of a newly built 5 million $ police building I'm no tough guy but any action taken to express the outrage that this causes, sends the message. I'm not a fan of bad ink, or tats much in general.
but what you do to your body is up to you, I don't have to look at-chou. Blue paint seems harder to remove, If on the other Hand, you tag my mother Im coming after you.
After something like 3 hours, of brushing with softer wire brushes (brass colored, bought at Harbor Freight, cheap.) Then using water & the Orange hand cleaner, ( with Grit )the Degreaser , extra strength but made safe enough to wash with daily, sort of water soluble, so hopefully not toxic to critters. From the Automotive section.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
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Of course they "dont have any idea what Im talking about" and "dont know who Im talking about" and "dont know anyone by that name".....which is what I got as a response when I called. What a bunch of maggots.
Lets go scrub that sh#t off. I emailed the truckee donner land trust to help get things through the right channels and he forwarded it to the tahoe pyramid bikeway people. I got the same email that was posted here above. Theyll give us the supplies so we should get out there and see what we can remove.
And FWIW im all for people doing their graffitti 'art' in the snowsheds, but thoise little shits arent happy with the inside if the tunnels anymore, those turds are tagging the outside up like crazy with their selfish crap and its becoming more and more prominent. F*#k that, we have a canvas for them that is acceptable and tolerable (the inside) and its not good enough for them. In addition to leaving all their associated trash behind as well.
Im not kidding, lets posse up and go get drunk and scrub. Perhaps we can pick up supplies from the bikeway folks and keep them stashed out there so that folks wanting to help can do so at their own availability. Everybodys got lots of other sh#t to do also.
Sierra county is just small, low budge, and kinda podonk. I dont think they have the resources to really even think about doing anything.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:39pm PT
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Just rec'd word that apparently the TMWA will be cleaning it up. Thanks for all the updates, offers, generosity, and quick responses from Truckee Donner Land Trust and Tahoe Pyramid Bikeway and of course Truckee Meadows Water Authority for being so responsive and following through. And thanks to Laine for bringing it to attention.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
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Now me and Scotty can go to Hayward and retro bolt tattoo the vandal.
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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Thanks, Buddha. River Rock is quite special to me. Learned to top-rope there, then lead with the widgets, many years ago. It's a great resource in a beautiful location. I hope to teach my kids to climb there some day.
And damn it, Improbable had a hard enough start without a thick coat of paint!
I'll keep everyone posted on TMWA's efforts. If need be, we will scrub it off by hand.
Thanks again, everyone, for helping out. Solid community we have!
Cheers,
Laine
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