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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 15, 2016 - 01:30pm PT
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Went to River Rock on 6/14/16 only to see the wall defaced by some taggers. A real bummer. Keep an eye out for vandals if you are in the area and report any activity to local law enforcement. They keep files on this stuff and can prosecute if it is documented.
Fortunately, when I spoke with the property owners, they stated they would take care of it asap.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jun 15, 2016 - 02:46pm PT
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Kunlun ftw!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 15, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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Here we are at a crossroads. Facing a tremendous opportunity......
Will you take the blue pill or the red pill.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Jun 15, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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Yeah he works at calaveras tattoo
I just called he will be in tomorrow
If anyone wants to give him a piece
Of your mind. 510-258 -O445
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christoph benells
Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
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Jun 15, 2016 - 03:44pm PT
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oh snap!
how ya feelin' homey?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 15, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
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Like 3 a.m. in the morning and a cop's siren just woke ME for some drunk driver...no sh#t I'm incensed over this nonsense.
Dude's gonna wanna do LEMBERT DOME next.
I will call him and scowl through the mouthpiece VERY LOUDLY, that should intimidate him.
"Give 'em hell, 'arry!"
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Jun 15, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
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This sh#t irritates me..
Go out in to nature, paint some lettering of a lame tag name, then post about it so other like minded people can tell you how good of a job you did..
At least it's easy to trace who 3am lameass is through the web...
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 15, 2016 - 04:22pm PT
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What part of society thinks it is ok to go out and do this?
Hope punishment happens and the rock is cleaned up somehow...
So sad and maddening!!!
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2016 - 05:14pm PT
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Thanks for doing some digging, folks! I'm going to pass this info along.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jun 15, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
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OH YEAH BABY... I am so going to enjoy this phone call.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 15, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
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Amusingly he posted this on his Instagram 3 weeks ago:
Hypocrite much?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 15, 2016 - 09:58pm PT
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3AM is going to get some six in the morning.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 15, 2016 - 10:07pm PT
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#vandalism Rock climbing is a soft target.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 15, 2016 - 11:58pm PT
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This goddamn sh#t is out of control. The spray idiots arent happy with the inside of the snowsheds on donner anymore either. Paint everywhere, discarded cans and spray tips all over up there, paint mess all over. Theres a couple cricket bats for sale on reno CL, cheap. Might have to pick them up and start carrying them around.
In the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, I find having a solid piece of wood in your hand to be quite helpful....in the words of Mr Ian Faith.
We need a positive ID on his car so we can customize it for him....and other stuff...
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:16am PT
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Well, heres their list of 'artists', wonder which assclown it is:
Angel - Javi Leon - Erik Vano - Marco El Buki - Tim - Don Gato
PT did you figure out which yet?
Laine- who is the landowner, Ive always wondered. Either the railroad or the folks that operate the aqueduct?
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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In the video it looks like he's a white dude with a small tattoo on his right hand between his thumb and pointer. Like a mexican gangster.
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2016 - 08:10am PT
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Buddha, the Water Authority owns the property.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 08:12am PT
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Thanks. Its too bad a mountain kitty didnt eat him up at 3 ayem, if that is in fact when he operates. The river canyon is full of em.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 08:28am PT
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Its unclear to me how a phone call could even put you in the running for ST tough guy status?
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2016 - 08:41am PT
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That is were you are wrong, Burch. All this information ST folks have found, I have given to the authorities (thanks everyone!). Not sure they can prosecute for this as it stands, but should this guy get caught in the act, I believe he could be charged with this one after the fact.
I'll keep everyone posted on the clean-up effort.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:15am PT
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If by chance I happen to talk to 3 AM there will be no screaming or yelling
I'll explain the situation to him From a climbers
Perspective and ill ask him to go climbing with me.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:40am PT
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Lordy yes, we should turn him over to the authorities...
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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Suspended adolescence? Check.
Works at a tattoo shop? Check.
Inflated sense of self-importance? Check.
Grown man climbing fences and spraypainting? Double-check.
Sounds like a climber at heart...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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I called. Not threatening.
I informed the machine that they are now associated with a suspected vandal and that climbers are likely to inform the authorities. Also that they are making enemies. Casual but true.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:36am PT
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Hush money/new tattoo
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:39am PT
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Funny, when I see rocks or even buildings tagged it does irritate me. However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged. I guess both are just as bad though?
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Funny, when I see rocks or even buildings tagged it does irritate me. However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged.
In my overblown opinion, punks tag trains so that they can have a tiny piece of their tortured souls attached to a mobile piece of America, spreading word and proof of their existence all across the country.
That's where these idiots who tag rocks fall a bit short.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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"However, I love seeing cargo trains tagged."
I hate it. Here are more reasons to hate it.
http://www3.epa.gov/ttnchie1/conference/ei19/session7/leskys.pdf
Establishing Graffiti Emissions as a Nonpoint Source Sector
Algirdas M. Leskys, P.E., J.D.
ABSTRACT
Nationally, the annual cost of monitoring, detecting, removing, and repairing graffiti damage has
been estimated as high as $15 to $18 billion. In Clark County, Nevada, it has been estimated that the
costs to the public and private sectors are $30 million annually. These significant costs emphasize the
importance of educating young people about the consequences of graffiti.
Yet noticeably missing from many graffiti education campaigns is detailed discussion about the
impact graffiti has on air quality. In 1994, former EPA Deputy Administrator, Alvin Alm, observed that
the United States was ―. . . nurturing a new generation that has much more knowledge and a different
ethic about the relationship of man to the environment . . . .‖ That environmental ethic is arguably even
more focused today as we learn about the serious consequences of climate change.
Within Clark County, it has been estimated that volatile organic compound (VOC) emissions
from graffiti can be greater than emissions from several nonpoint sectors typically tracked by EPA. In
2008, an estimated 31 tons were emitted within Clark County, and 4,862 tons nationwide. By including
graffiti-related emissions in EPA’s triennial effort to establish a national emissions inventory,
policymakers would be in a better position to understand graffiti’s impact on air quality.
To achieve that purpose, this paper proposes a unique set of source classification codes (SCCs)
for emissions proximally related to the actual act of graffiti, and methodologies for estimating those
emissions. Collectively, these SCCs constitute the graffiti nonpoint sector.
INTRODUCTION
The U.S. Department of Justice classifies graffiti into several categories: tagging; gang-related;
artistic; isolated or spontaneous acts; malicious or vindictive acts; and ideological.1
Tagging is the most
common form of graffiti. It involves the placement of a signature marking identified with a person or
persons—for the primary purpose of being seen by others. At a national level, it has been estimated that
80 percent of all graffiti is a result of tagging activity, 10 percent is gang-related, and 5 percent is
artistic.2
Minors play a significant role in generating graffiti. In 2008, approximately 107,300 juveniles
were arrested for vandalism nationwide. Of that total, approximately 40 percent were 14 years old or
younger.3
A substantial portion of vandalism arrests are related to graffiti. In Clark County, Nevada,
there were over 500 arrests in 2007 that were graffiti-related.4
―He paints, they tag, he paints, they tag . . . .‖5
This has been described as the dance that takes
place between persons whose job it is to abate graffiti and those who generate the graffiti. Phrased in air
quality terms, the dance might go like this:
―He emits VOCs, they emit VOCs, he emits VOCs, they emit VOCs . . . .‖
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VOCs are precursors of ozone. Since emissions related to graffiti are primarily VOC-based, they
contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone.
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Tahoe Pyramid Bikeway
climber
Reno
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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Dear Rock Climbers,
I would be very surprised if the landowner (TMWA) will do anything about the graffiti, but the Tahoe-Pyramid Bikeway can provide the supplies to scrub it off if you all will help. It is a LOT of hard work, but can be done. It is a big bummer!
Our best results (upstream near the RR trestle) has been with "World's Best Graffiti Remover" and stiff nylon brushes, and lots of water. Another option would be to hire Sierra Soda Blasting (857-2606, Dexter) to sand blast it off. But it will be at least $1000 I guess.
Prosecuting seems unlikely, since this is in Sierra County, CA.
We would like to partner with you on taking care of this beautiful area. Thank you.
Janet Phillips, President
PS I don't look at this website, so best to reach me by email or phone (tahoepyramidbike@aol.com and 825-9868).
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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TJI,
I don't object to graffiti on trains or most urban environments. I enjoy the graffiti on the Donner Summit Snowsheds, mostly. But tagging on the natural environment gets my goat.
I'll scrub the stuff off.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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I'll help scrub it off. Let me know when and I'll do my best to be there.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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Prosecuting seems unlikely, since this is in Sierra County, CA.
Why is Sierra County a free-for-all?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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I found some tagger sh#t out at my local crag one time, carefully concealed in the rocks, in an expensive back pack. Chalk, paint cans, the works. Making sure the bag was zippered shut,and the chalk was free from the zip-lock Baggie, I proceeded to smash the contents across a rock until I heard the paint cans hissing and the chalk was dust. It went back to where I found it. Hopefully, the graffiti as#@&%e got the point.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
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I just called and made an appointment,To have a 3ayem tat, seems that they have had a few calls from climbersAnyone venture to guess what name I left?
Some is artAnd this is catty-corner from & in-sight of a newly built 5 million $ police building I'm no tough guy but any action taken to express the outrage that this causes, sends the message. I'm not a fan of bad ink, or tats much in general.
but what you do to your body is up to you, I don't have to look at-chou. Blue paint seems harder to remove, If on the other Hand, you tag my mother Im coming after you.
After something like 3 hours, of brushing with softer wire brushes (brass colored, bought at Harbor Freight, cheap.) Then using water & the Orange hand cleaner, ( with Grit )the Degreaser , extra strength but made safe enough to wash with daily, sort of water soluble, so hopefully not toxic to critters. From the Automotive section.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
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Of course they "dont have any idea what Im talking about" and "dont know who Im talking about" and "dont know anyone by that name".....which is what I got as a response when I called. What a bunch of maggots.
Lets go scrub that sh#t off. I emailed the truckee donner land trust to help get things through the right channels and he forwarded it to the tahoe pyramid bikeway people. I got the same email that was posted here above. Theyll give us the supplies so we should get out there and see what we can remove.
And FWIW im all for people doing their graffitti 'art' in the snowsheds, but thoise little shits arent happy with the inside if the tunnels anymore, those turds are tagging the outside up like crazy with their selfish crap and its becoming more and more prominent. F*#k that, we have a canvas for them that is acceptable and tolerable (the inside) and its not good enough for them. In addition to leaving all their associated trash behind as well.
Im not kidding, lets posse up and go get drunk and scrub. Perhaps we can pick up supplies from the bikeway folks and keep them stashed out there so that folks wanting to help can do so at their own availability. Everybodys got lots of other sh#t to do also.
Sierra county is just small, low budge, and kinda podonk. I dont think they have the resources to really even think about doing anything.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:39pm PT
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Just rec'd word that apparently the TMWA will be cleaning it up. Thanks for all the updates, offers, generosity, and quick responses from Truckee Donner Land Trust and Tahoe Pyramid Bikeway and of course Truckee Meadows Water Authority for being so responsive and following through. And thanks to Laine for bringing it to attention.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
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Now me and Scotty can go to Hayward and retro bolt tattoo the vandal.
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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Thanks, Buddha. River Rock is quite special to me. Learned to top-rope there, then lead with the widgets, many years ago. It's a great resource in a beautiful location. I hope to teach my kids to climb there some day.
And damn it, Improbable had a hard enough start without a thick coat of paint!
I'll keep everyone posted on TMWA's efforts. If need be, we will scrub it off by hand.
Thanks again, everyone, for helping out. Solid community we have!
Cheers,
Laine
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
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Now me and Scotty can go to Hayward and retro bolt tattoo the vandal.
Make sure you post a trip report afterwards ( in other words sure you will)
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Jun 16, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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Pressure washer would be nice,
Could wheel it right to the base.
With a pump truck! Ha ha
Too bad about the graffiti ,how lame.
Way back those UNR students
Painted a giant Pot leaf on the crag
Visible from I 80
Climber scrub party?
I'll bring the beer .
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Highlife
Trad climber
California
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Jun 17, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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Have any of you done allot of graffiti removal on granite/rock? I am looking for the best methodology. Any one has tips i'd be psyched to hear 'em.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 17, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
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Look at post 43 above, from Tahoe pyramid bikeway
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 17, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
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For removal advice just do a forum search for graffiti removal. Methods have been discussed plenty of times. Non toxic and low impact solutions.
justthemaid seems to have a lot of experience and knowledge.....
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Thrutchtastic
Trad climber
Sparks, NV
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Jun 17, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
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I'm working on it now. Someone has already done a lot. I'm going to run out of cleaner soon, but I'm leaving my bucket and brushes here to accompany the gloves someone also left. Let's clean this up.
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T?S
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Jun 21, 2016 - 09:40am PT
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Bump and just checking if anyone has beta on what supplies are up there, I'd like to pitch in a few hours of elbow grease this week.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 21, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Some of these guys display some obvious talent I just wish they would express it in a more acceptable manner
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2016 - 01:27pm PT
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I just saw a few pics of the removal process from the ops supervisor at TMWA. 90% gone. They will contract a soda blaster to finish the job.
Thanks to everyone who took the time to help.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 23, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
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wrenchymonkey
Trad climber
Oakland
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
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Just saw this in Oakland, so 3AM is still spraying his sh#t around:
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jul 10, 2016 - 11:29pm PT
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I ran across some grim tagging at Snowshed Crag today. Also, the train snowsheds aren't art any more, the good art is almost all pooched by dummies. Nonetheless, it was still a sick day.
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kstarr
climber
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:30am PT
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I recently had to do some clean up in Van Norden meadow on Donner Summit. I bought the product called "Worlds Best Graffiti Remover" mostly because it was recommended above thread and it's also supposed to be environmentally friendly. I can't attest to how friendly it is, but it definitely gets rid of the shite that's painted on.[photoid=463748]
Also, if the identity of the River Rock dude is known, how is it that he has not been prosecuted yet?
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kstarr
climber
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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Sadly i found some stencils sprayed on the hike to eagle lake and around random talus on eagle lake. We actually found a dropped stencil, saw the little tags all the way down the trail. Little stylized thumbs up in black. F*#kin ridiculous.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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So put up a Trapper Camera, get the perp's on film, turn them in.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:57am PT
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Better yet, lay for them, hog-tie em, smear peanut butter all over tham, then go back to their
vehicle and put a few 357 rounds into the block.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
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Its eagle lake in emerald bay. About eleventy billion visitors a day.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 11, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
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That stuff seems to work, kstarr.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 11, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
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Thanks kstar and others for the good work
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 12, 2016 - 12:53am PT
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Yes, thanks to all who scrubbed and toiled, that was pretty fast too.
I would like nothing more than to ID the dipshits that tagged up to and around eagle lake, bury them to their necks in the sand and cover them with honey and red ants, but when 20 jiggawatts of people visit it every day, good luck
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 12, 2016 - 01:16am PT
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and that granite chief porta potty is fair game for anyone, its just sits there vulnerable 24/7. Also, the user group has changed, its not just for 'climbers', its catering to the now hordes of hikers (sometimes grouped into 10's and more) that are going to see the petroglyphs and the interpretive hike (all the signs they added). The amount of traffic increase is huge. Better to use the crapper at the boat launch on the way up or hit west end beach for a nice dooper. I cant believe GC still funds that thing. They dont even sell climbing gear anymore.
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