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drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Apr 14, 2016 - 10:09pm PT
OMG my first wall of text!

Tension, hassling, and fights alone do not not equal localism.
Those are things you'll find when you mix overpopulation with a limited resource.
And what Luanda Bay offers IS a limited resource- a wave that will hold when the swell is huge.
And guess what- it's in an "exclusive" neighborhood smack dab in the middle of one of the biggest megatropolises in the world.

There aren't many fitting analogies outside the surfing world that can help explain, and I don't want to come off like I condone this sh¡t, because I don't. But...
Try going to a basketball court in the hood somewhere where intense pick up games happen regularly. Go there to play a round of horse with your friends. See what happens.
You might just get vibed or told to split. Show up with game and respect and you still might get told to beat it.
Now if you get beat up or your car fukked with just because you tried to play some basketball, by all means, call the cops and get the perps arrested. That's wrong and there's no place where that sh¡t's ok. Violence sucks.
But don't file a fukking lawsuit to try and change the culture of b ball at a court in a random neighborhood.

Go to the roughest neighborhood biker bar, where the same dudes have been drinking for ever. Go there wearing skinny jeans, or whatever makes it obvious you're an outsider, and try and order a Shirley Temple. Then go to the cop shop and tell them the mean bikers gave you dirty looks, called you names, and offered to escort you out or beat your ass if you didn't leave. See what the cops say.
Probably the same thing the woman cop in the PV police department said in that hidden video- basically, that's just how it is, it sucks but deal with it.

Real localism sucks- getting slapped or choked out, or even threatened just because you don't live there and surf there every day or know one of the Boyz.

But getting hassled, tensions, fights over infractions- that stuff happens every day at spots up and down the coast and around the world- at spots not even known for localism.

Bust the assh0Les who commit crimes, make an example out of them.
But trying to change the culture and human nature with a lawsuit is not going to happen.
You will discourage criminal activity but you're not going to end localism with a lawsuit.



landcruiserbob

Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
Apr 14, 2016 - 11:14pm PT
Bunch of rich bogans protecting a silly weak wave....the buggah's are riding hybrid high volume boards because they can't paddle...


Aloha

RG
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Apr 15, 2016 - 04:16am PT
Too many rats on the fringe of their cage, better there then in the mountains.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:15am PT
Funny, I've surfed SD/SD county/La Jolla off and on for 30 years (biz travel + my daughter is now at UCSD). I've surfed the cliffs, Crystal Pier, Big Rock, WnS, La Jolla Shores, and tons of times at Blacks and have never even been given a vibe. I've also surfed very crowded Swami's and Cardiff reef. Nothing. I find the SoCal surfers to be a rather flat bunch; not friendly but not intimidating.

I've never even considered Lunada Bay; too far out of the way for a person traveling for business who just wants to score a few waves before or after work.

I've only had one derogatory comment about my snowboard and that was at Whistler January 1989. That's it. And the skiers who we were sliding with, who we had just met, chased the guy down and shoved him into a snow pile.

Every climbing venue that I've been to and met other climbers has been a very friendly encounter, even the Gunks.

Now accidently finding a hidden surf spot on Maui in 1990 and paddling out is a completely different story...
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:26am PT
^^^^^^ the mecca of localism
zBrown

Ice climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:27am PT
Surfing - biker bar banal analogy - bogus


What does the community say?

"Keep the riff-raff out of the ocean and off the slopes and out of the parking lotz where they vandalize your car, steal your stuff and mess with your aerial farm."
-(I ain't no ho)DAD Marudas

"let 'em watch TV while they eat their Twinkies and keep 'em out of the parties where I steal my stuff"
-Mickey (ain't no mouse) Dora




Support your President OB(ama) Barack in his quest to open cheap channel surfing to all.

Obama is urging the FCC to open up the cable box so you can watch TV how you really want

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/04/15/obama-is-urging-the-fcc-to-open-up-the-cable-box-so-you-can-watch-tv-how-you-really-want/


First Amendment:

"Instead of spending nearly $1,000 over four years to lease a set of behind-the-times boxes, American families will have options to own a device for much less money that will integrate everything they want — including their cable or satellite content, as well as online streaming apps — in one, easier-to-use gadget,"


Second Amendment (now we're talking):

"Tubesteak" Tracy, his first surfing buddy and a lifelong acquaintance

allowed that Dora had “incredible presence,” but accused him of being congenitally mean-spirited. “He’d irritate the little guy. He’d take a guy’s board, some poor, helpless little guy, then a few days later he’d give it back–after charging him a few bucks.” Most surfers, though, admired Dora, many to the point of zealotry, believing that Dora lied, stole, and scammed because that was the only way a genuine surfing purist could get by


drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Nov 28, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
Zbrown-
You've been spending too much time around Gnome.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 28, 2016 - 10:56pm PT
An interesting discussion. I actually think this IS the way that you change behavior over time.

The lawsuit generates publicity and comment--THIS thread demonstrates that.

What is the alternative, and you are on the receiving end? Give up the sport? Get a gun? (the traditional way)

If somebody commits a crime

Threatening someone with harm IS a crime, called assault.

And the skiers who we were sliding with, who we had just met, chased the guy down and shoved him into a snow pile.

THAT is a crime, called battery.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 29, 2016 - 08:19am PT
If you don't live here don't sell liquor or play baseball here.

A juvenile listed as a Bay Boy appears to be the same teen who recently pleaded guilty to his role in the brutal September beating of a Lunada Bay liquor store owner.


Another defendant, 27-year-old Michael Rae Papayans, pleaded not guilty last week to punching a Mets fan at Dodger Stadium in October, rendering the man unconscious. He also was arrested in January with Backstreet Boy Nick Carter during a bar fight in Florida.


White punks on dope.

Professor Alu Orange, who studies gang charges at USC, told the L.A. Times that it’s highly unusual for a group of private citizens — rather than a government entity — to seek a gang injunction,” but that it would be refreshing to see it used in a constitutional way, as the Lunada Bay Boys “live in an area where the median income is $170,000 and they can vandalize, assault and batter people, and can do it all under the watchful eye of the police.”
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 29, 2016 - 08:59am PT
The county is destroying the Lunada Bay love shack as we speak. Of course they are doing
it the gubmint way by flying in heavy equipment to demo something hand built. They coulda
saved a bundle and done it the green way with a NPS trail crew.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 1, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
The Boys strike back:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lunada-vandalism-20161201-story.html

Trucks and equipment used to demolish a stone shelter built by territorial surfers on Lunada Bay in Palos Verdes Estates have been severely vandalized at the work site, authorities said Thursday.

According to police, vandals Tuesday night scratched the paint of several trucks in a staging area, slashed fabric containers used to carry debris and set fire to equipment stored at the structure, including an air compressor used to power jackhammers.

The trucks and equipment were being used by Ampco Contracting Inc., a demolition company that received a $61,000 contract from Palos Verdes Estates to raze the shelter located on Rocky Point adjacent to one of the best big wave spots in California.

City officials have condemned the incident, and police are investigating. No arrests have been made so far, authorities said.
Urizen

Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 2, 2016 - 07:08am PT
Reilly,

NPS trail crews aren't exactly green. I've seen them with their power tools out in the backcountry where the rest of us aren't allowed to use such things.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2016 - 07:12am PT
Urizen, yer right, I was thinking of Forest Service trail crews in Wilderness Areas.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2016 - 07:25am PT
Yeah, $65K is a joke, but the joke is on the tax payers, as usual. That could be done in two days for $10K, and who wouldn't want to bivy down there with a case of Olde English in lieu
of the bluetooth cameras?
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 2, 2016 - 11:42am PT
Wow, this really makes me want to take up surfing--so fun and relaxing. Gotta bring my weather-proofed AK, however. DB's can have the waves. No thanks.

BAd
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 2, 2016 - 12:00pm PT
Trustafarians trying to act all bad n sh*t. Hope they level the place and put up a LG tower and a Rubio's.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 2, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]


Classic...

Was following a slower and much less experienced friend on the high traverse at Alta. A "local" sped by me and cut over the back of the slower skiers boards, which caused him to tipover in a bad spot and tumble down the hill. I caught the guy, and, sure enough, a friend who I'd skied and climbed with. "Really?" Get out of the way if you can't keep up. There's fisticuffs. Can't find the lift line video but it was pretty gnarly.

Got tired of the local 'tude at some of the ski areas, so, went into the backcountry. Now, with the crowds, some of that unfriendlyness is there too. Cut in below a skin track? Boot out a skin track? Didn't spoon your turns? Heaven forbid you fall...ha ha. Drop in on someone who's digging a pit to check on stability? Better yet, don't fill your snow pit in? Etiquette rules for skiing go on and on...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Geez, I have that album...

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 2, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
Localism? Local dickhole gathering spot. The city should ban THEM from the bay. Beginners and outsiders only for a decade. F*#k that ownership bullsh#t.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Dec 4, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
I thought the old fashioned way to declare territory was a punch in the fiberglass and cutting the leash. Talk is cheap!
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