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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Currently LOCALISM is heavy at MALIBU..
That made me chuckle. Thanks.
EDIT: Thanks for the reminisce about surfing. It will forever be the one thing I will miss. The surfing that is, not the people. No.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Escopeda-
You said that you don't get hassled. How is that? Your claim, not mine...
I've surfed all over the world and getting hassled is part of the game, if your actually catching waves, so I'm curious- what's your secret?
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Granted, I wasn't around in the valley in the peak timeframe that Tami and Werner talk about but how many people caught actual beat downs for climbing in a certain place? I mean a real proper square-up beat down? Many? Any?
No. They would just sh#t on your ropes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Real localizer.. miki
Escopeta currently mobs of spring breakers are infesting the waters..the good thing is they sleep in by the time the crew is done the kooks are waking n baking..
Rincon hollywood by the sea is so rad..
Pyro- It is!
I was out on a big day at the top of the point while my wife wife was surfing a contest there. I was suprised at how bad the hassling was. Especially since it was done mostly by beaver-tail wearing kooks riding fish's.
LOL!
Contractor
nothing like waiting your turn and then they won't let you have any part of the set's coming in.. after a few years I've solicited the localize-rs and now they let me in.. took a while but that's okay.. one of my buddies has been surfing the Bu for 40yrs it helps to know the localizers..
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Pyro- AL Sarlo is a nice guy! He gave me a few set waves that day (probably wanted to sell me a house) LOL. Do you know Mark Biez?
Escopeda- I make my own boards- white with no logo, all black wetsuit, surf without a leash, never paddle straight to the peak, surf alone, stay off the shoulder, don't back paddle, share, I look like a Senator from Kansas, I don't kook out, and I still get hassled from time to time. You may look scary and be a big teddy bear- that's probably the best recipe for not getting hassled. My home break (Boca Rio, Imperial Beach) has quite the welcoming committee. I never get involved but sh#t goes down on a regular basis.
Climbing is riddled with grumpy old men, as seen here, but not heavy localism, that I've seen anyway. I do know some guys get pissed when their ongoing projects (bouldering areas, trails or routes) are promoted or revealed without consent.
Rick Cane trivia! The movie is loosely based on one of my surf buddies life story.
His family moved to my home town from Arizona- within 5 years he was the best local surfer by far. He went on to surf in the ASP, killed it on the North Shore and was dominating his age group in the NSSA up until a few years ago.
We did a boat trip to the Mentawais and the Australian's, who loved the movie "North Shore" were all over the Rick Cane story... "Hey mate- Rick Cane is surfing right over there!!
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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When I started climbing in 73, I surfed ALL the time. I quickly learned to climb on Saturday and surf on Sunday so that my fingers weren't soft from surfing. I quit surfing though after surfing for about 15 years. Two factors made me quit: first I was sick of the fricking locals, even when I was a local; and second the rock is always there where as the waves in SoCal aren't most of the time. Climbers are almost always really nice people, surfers aren't. I do think that if there were as few rocks as there are waves then climbers would be just like surfers.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
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I quit surfing though after surfing for about 15 years. Two factors made me quit: first I was sick of the fricking locals, even when I was a local; and second the rock is always there where as the waves in SoCal aren't most of the time. Climbers are almost always really nice people, surfers aren't. I do think that if there were as few rocks as there are waves then climbers would be just like surfers.
Nailed it.
Never experienced climbing localism probably because I've been a pretty mediocre climber for my entire life so I never threatened anyone's ego. I pick up extra trash at the crags, never bring a dog and have a generally quiet climbing/belaying style; I could never climb with the screamers or beta droppers.
Surfing, I'm quite competent as a waterman, understand the line-up and local conditions. I don't drop in, make sure I give waves, and make the most of my opportunities when I do get a wave. I don't paddle battle, I'll hoot folks other folks on and smile; smiling goes a long way.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Waves are less predictable than rock or even ice, plus easier access usually. Basics of demand.
Walls can be a bit more tribal but not generally to the extent breaks can be.
Where i grew up 'if you dont live here dont surf here' was sprayed on the surf club for years. Ive not seen that degree of assholism in climbing. Even bouldering.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Burch- You're reading comprehension sucks. I wasn't describing a ninja, it's Lee Daniel's "The Butler".
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Haha, the places I surfed Alan Sarlo got his ass kicked. Lol.
Hollywood was decent, but I found the waves to be far superior just a stones throw away at Mandalay. Definitely the biggest (and heaviest) waves of the winter seemed to find there way to that sand bar. Since I'm goofy, it was about all there was aside from the rock at little Dume.
Contractor, surfers are like dogs apparently. They can smell fear. Ha.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Localism in surfing, vandalize their car.
Localism in climbing, sh#t on their ropes.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Escopeda- I surf Oxnard quite a bit. I can only put the beach breaks of Nothern Baja in that class in terms of beach breaks I can drive to. Bombing tubes and still a few cranky dudes around.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Try having AZ plates on the central coast.
Nothing a good bottom turn couldn't fix :-)
When I said I wouldn't mind a little localism in climbing....
Straight up dickish behavior for no reason, violence, vandalism, and aggression have no place in climbing imo.
But having some kind of enforcer to call people on their sh¡t when they're acting like barns sure would come in handy sometimes. Sometimes we, as climbers, are too nice and non confrontational.
Sometimes localism works.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Zonie plates jefe!
I'm sure you cruz low key so no offense.
We get over run every year by the Scottsdale crowd. Black Escalades with those gay rims that keep spinning at the red light, skinny blond kids sporting gangsta gear (probably made by Kanye West) and when they go "local" they wear boxers briefs under their board shorts. The mom's wear those $600 dollar, velour athletic suits that have words stamped across the ass. They have jumbo, bedazzled sunglasses, gold hula hoops for earrings and those cray high heal flip-flops. Sometimes they have small animals for an accessory. Zonies seem to bring out the worst in localism for some reason.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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I believe jefe's got a good bead on this topic. The 70's were kind of like the wild west, and where I surfed if you hopped the wrong guy you could expect to get a board up your a*# or in your back. It's generally more civilized now except for certain locals. My advise is unless you want to make a statement, just stay sway from those places surfing wise.
Don't see climbing being like this, but I'm not trying to make a statement :)
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Kind of curious why I got dragged into this...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Escopeda- I surf Oxnard quite a bit. I can only put the beach breaks of Nothern Baja in that class in terms of beach breaks I can drive to. Bombing tubes and still a few cranky dudes around.
I didn't bother with Baja much in preference to the mainland. I had Mark Leon shape me a BigGun, which was every bit as Big Gunnish as a Hawaiian gun specifically for big Silver Strand and Mandalay.
I have been scared surfing rocky point and reef breaks plenty of times, but that was the only sand spit that scared me.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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