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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 19, 2016 - 08:20am PT
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oh- I could name names... but it would serve no purpose. Dumb-ass is public record for anyone who wants to do some digging.
"I'm better than you"... 1st grade insults seem to prove otherwise.
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Fish Finder
climber
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Jan 19, 2016 - 08:22am PT
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I had forgoten about the bio bloom every once in a while
a million little florescent lights going off under the waters surface
totally trippy
You actually feel the presence of all the underwater life
Kanan Dume has that large rock shelf that the sharks love because of the colder water there.
Sure do miss the abalone hunting on that wall
if i didnt have horses in the high sierra , I would be back on the PCH coast in a heart beat
JC your outlook on others must really eat away at you or being a dick must just come natural to you
Edit: never was scared by the whales but never was really close
have paddled many hours in line with schools of dolphins which was exhilarating
seen many a shark as when you see seals you will see sharks
Was never scarred of the sharks but once when they seemed uncomfortably close, but fear not , the dolphins chased them off
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 19, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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Thank you Fish. Pt Dume is a nice spot. One of the tallest cliffs on the coast. Decent rock quality. Yes- a beginners area but I don't get all the hate.
FYI: two shoulder surgeries have not repaired my totally destroyed shoulder so yes- I'm relegated to moderate climbing most days- maybe the rest of my life. My choices are limited if I want to get on the rock at all. I know this comes as a great disappointment to the judgmental hard-men out there who base their entire evaluation of people on the grade someone can can climb . I climb what I can and enjoy it regardless of your bullsh#t.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jan 19, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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Fish Finder sounds like u know all about Greg, you climb about the same maybe 2 grades harder FACT. Why hide behind a avatar Fishy.
BRA~!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 19, 2016 - 08:49am PT
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Wow, harsh thread for what one would think is a relatively tame topic.
I don't know the rationale for chopping the bolts, but given the popularity of that area (despite what some others think), there should be decent anchors up top.
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Fish Finder
climber
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Jan 19, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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Jeff
I do know all about the PCH and waters in Malibu
also well versed in dick, because I have one
what i dont understand is your irreverent childish attitude towards others.....
use to sdmire the hard climber you are but the personality lately has been ugly
carry on Jeff .... your reputation proceeds you
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Fish Finder
climber
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Jan 19, 2016 - 09:47am PT
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Thanks Jeff
she is a pleasure to be around
the best to you
Gregg
judging man by the level he can climb is no way to go about measuring your life... just sayin
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 19, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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Fattrad owns that rock and beach, worked the Sheriff Beach Team. Knows the current Captain of the station. Want climbing, FB Fattrad. Thanks.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 19, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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I'm with Fat Dad on this one. To this outsider, the vicious nature of some posts don't seem to fit the nature of the issue, but then I admit to a certain bias, for several reasons:
1. I don't understand the "route gourmet" nature of the criticism. Certainly Pt. Dume may not be in the same league of importance as Stoney Point, say, but that doesn't make it unimportant to our community as a whole. Just because I don't like to climb in a particular area shouldn't mean that I don't care if anyone can climb there.
2. I don't understand the superiority complex of certain posts. As an example, I know Justthemaid, and I know she is a real climber. The fact that her physical condition is compromised because of injury doesn't mean that her opinion is "worse" or "better" than anyone else's.
3. It doesn't follow that only the "best" climbers' opinions matter regarding access. We always have looked to those doing the hardest routes in the best style for emulation and, often, for ethics as well. I was raised with the idea that only the top climbers were qualified to determine when to place a bolt. If a better climber could avoid placing a bolt, I would avoid it as well, even if it meant being defeated by the climb. While that's no longer the rule, allowing only those with the greatest technical ability to dictate where we should climb makes no sense to me. The climbing community has grown much bigger.
4. Is this issue really worth all the insults?
John
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Jan 19, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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I agree John!
I always had a good time at Point Dume. That might be the most used beach in the world for filming TV commercials and movies.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
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I agree John....
Every Craig Matters
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
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John, pretty much my sentiments.
Point Dume is hardly a destination crag, but it is a climbing area that has seen activity for many decades. I've climbed at many worse areas. There is no logical reason for denying access or removal of anchors.
Every area is worth fighting for. The "reasons" for shutting down a marginal quality crag, left unchallenged, can easily be applied to even the best climbing areas.
But, as a washed up, never was been, who cares what I think.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
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But, as a washed up, never was been, who cares what I think.
You're in good company. :D
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Fish Finder
climber
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Jan 19, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
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hey Jeff
your editing is hilarious and you grading me as a climber is comical at best
to some this is real life and many know me here
Someday you will also
Its all good
I just like to stand up for my friends when the shlt is flinging shlt
For the record: I wouldnt climb PT Dume if im gonna be there,Im gettin in the ocean (only thing I miss here in the high sierra)
much better as a quick hike if you must be inland
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le_bruce
climber
Oakland, CA
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Jan 19, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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I like climbing at Point Dume. That right line, a 5.10, on the ocean-facing wall is a lot of fun. Running a few laps on that near sunset, gulls + pelicans + seals + dolphins + whales everywhere, with all of the Pacific spreading below and around you - how can you be against that?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 19, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
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WTF, you guys? I know Skip a bit and she is mucho cool.
Pyro seemed cool until today's rant but I'll still wish him Happy Birthday!
I've heard good things about Jeff, too, so I am mystified.
Maybe we all need to score some Chinese Licorice Coughing Liquid and
get a drum circle together!
OTC Cough Liquid Found to Contain Morphine
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jan 19, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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Climbed here after work a few years back...
Seemed pretty sweet to me.
Kind of a nice hang.
Enjoyed it!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 19, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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Skippy its best to have DAVE KATZ write a letter to park service.. maybe he can negotiate access..
He makes more money than u and I justthemaid..
Edit: brian love those pics..love that arete..
Pt dume featured
Article in MALIBU TIMES..
Must be la county parks dept....think they manage that along with zuma beach....was kind of a fun spot when learning to climb..
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dhayan
climber
culver city, ca
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Jan 19, 2016 - 09:42pm PT
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I love pt dume. Never had a bad day there although usually I go on weekday afternoon/evenings since I work in the area, or sometimes just a lap or two up and down the arête at lunchtime. it's a really beautiful spot and having a little bit of climbing there is just icing.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2016 - 10:32pm PT
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I'm guessing the heavy wave action has got someone worried that that rock will collapse on someone.
Let's wait until spring and see what happens.
A quick call to the local ranger would get the truth. You do it. I'm too lazy.
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