Armed Militia Takes Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge HQ

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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2016 - 12:10am PT
It is fully within the capacity of an American jury to ignore the letter of the law and base their verdict on their own sense of justice.

What jury instruction is that theory embodied in, I have never seen it?

That would be jury nullification and it is not within the LEGAL capacity of the jury to engage in it. Jury nullification is a hallmark of the sovereign nutcases. It is hard to proof jury nullification but if it came out that the jury conspired, in deliberation, then a verdict can be tossed. There are a lot of deliberations that could also lead to tossing a verdict.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 31, 2016 - 10:48am PT
The apparent intersection of the intelligence and jury qualifiers sets?
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Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Nov 1, 2016 - 09:02am PT
Boy, the faux outrage on this simmered down pretty quickly.

I wonder if the member berries are getting eaten about the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing and remembering civil disobedience was all the rage and the participants were celebrated and encouraged.

But when a couple of Utards do it and the Feds don't get away with hosing them down with pepper spray because they might get ventilated, you all get butt hurt.

lol
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2016 - 09:55am PT
Yo Essie, most rationale people on here respect the justice system, what is done is done. Life goes on my friend, sounds like you are the one that need to get over it. In reality the sovereign tards walking free is a good thing because it robs them of martyrdom and their whole whine about how corrupt the system is became moot. Not good for future fund raising (aka grifting)

Essie calls me a tard and farts a "good grief" out his pie-hole in 3.. 2...1 ....
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Nov 1, 2016 - 10:01am PT
As the saying goes, "I cant' do anything to you that you haven't already done to yourself"

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 1, 2016 - 10:07am PT
^^^
Is that the grown up version of 'I know you are but what am I'?
I wonder if the member berries are getting eaten about the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing and remembering civil disobedience was all the rage and the participants were celebrated and encouraged.
Well, I think we can all agree that if they were armed to the teeth and used threat of force to physically occupy Smith Barney or the Mint or the US Stock Exchange, the result would have been a little different.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 1, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
Why were they acquitted?

Like, why?

Were there too many FBI informants within the terrorist group occupying the refuge? Sounds like there were and because of that, it left the door open for the defending lawyer to claim there was coercion by the informants. So, now we have doubt interjected into the jury and since we all know that 'no reasonable doubt' is necessary to convict a person. They are free.

Sounds like the FBI screwed the pooch

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 1, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Ecopeta, I don't remember the Occupy folks carrying guns and threatening people.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Nov 1, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
Exactly.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 1, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2016/11/01/c45bdf4e-a04c-11e6-a44d-cc2898cfab06_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_goldbutte-0825pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 2, 2016 - 07:13am PT
Bundy said the Constitution does not grant the federal government power to own large tracts of land

Bundy should ask Thomas Jefferson, he started the public land survey system.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Nov 2, 2016 - 10:13am PT
^ LOL!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 2, 2016 - 10:29am PT
Bundy said the Constitution does not grant the federal government power to own large tracts of land

He's correct, but only because that was settled law prior to the Constitution being written.

Curt
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 2, 2016 - 10:31am PT
That one guy related to the cattle dude in Nevada was kept in jail awaiting different charges in that state from the previous standoff.

The others were released.

There's still another trial in February for the remaining people who chose to plead not guilty in the Oregon bird watching/winter camping thing.

As for damages, I don't know. I'm not sure what kind of damages there were. It was a frozen bird sanctuary in the middle of nowhere. But if there were damages I'm sure they'll seek to bill someone as they should.

And there was that one older man who was shot dead after running a road block. Lots of viewpoints on that. Looked like a tough situation to me, but likely a justified shooting.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 2, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Two dudes discharged.....

With US Marshals....

To go to Nevada...

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/11/bundy_brothers_have_been_disch.html#incart_river_index
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 2, 2016 - 10:45am PT
Two dudes discharged.....

That does leave something to the imagination...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2016 - 11:54am PT
hahaha OafKeepers, credible source, hahahhahaa

There are outright lies in that list, do not bother clicking the link

Krissane Hall is crazy
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 2, 2016 - 12:30pm PT
Over 15 (out of 29 total) of the “occupiers” worked for the FBI

29 total, minus 15 informants, would be 14 total real occupiers. Baloney. Best find another source for info.
couchmaster

climber
Nov 2, 2016 - 12:40pm PT


Haha, such irony if true. I thought it would funny if there were more feds than whiners. Re this Jah man quote:
"An 8th occupier was shot by the FBI for his protest."
Had he stopped for the cops he'd be alive today, no? Seems simple to me.
John M

climber
Nov 2, 2016 - 12:40pm PT
would be interesting to know the truth of any of those accusations.

For instance, does FBI plant actually mean that one or multiple of them turned states evidence?
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