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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2016 - 12:10am PT
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It is fully within the capacity of an American jury to ignore the letter of the law and base their verdict on their own sense of justice.
What jury instruction is that theory embodied in, I have never seen it?
That would be jury nullification and it is not within the LEGAL capacity of the jury to engage in it. Jury nullification is a hallmark of the sovereign nutcases. It is hard to proof jury nullification but if it came out that the jury conspired, in deliberation, then a verdict can be tossed. There are a lot of deliberations that could also lead to tossing a verdict.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 31, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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The apparent intersection of the intelligence and jury qualifiers sets?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Boy, the faux outrage on this simmered down pretty quickly.
I wonder if the member berries are getting eaten about the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing and remembering civil disobedience was all the rage and the participants were celebrated and encouraged.
But when a couple of Utards do it and the Feds don't get away with hosing them down with pepper spray because they might get ventilated, you all get butt hurt.
lol
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2016 - 09:55am PT
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Yo Essie, most rationale people on here respect the justice system, what is done is done. Life goes on my friend, sounds like you are the one that need to get over it. In reality the sovereign tards walking free is a good thing because it robs them of martyrdom and their whole whine about how corrupt the system is became moot. Not good for future fund raising (aka grifting)
Essie calls me a tard and farts a "good grief" out his pie-hole in 3.. 2...1 ....
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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As the saying goes, "I cant' do anything to you that you haven't already done to yourself"
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
Is that the grown up version of 'I know you are but what am I'?
I wonder if the member berries are getting eaten about the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing and remembering civil disobedience was all the rage and the participants were celebrated and encouraged. Well, I think we can all agree that if they were armed to the teeth and used threat of force to physically occupy Smith Barney or the Mint or the US Stock Exchange, the result would have been a little different.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Why were they acquitted?
Like, why?
Were there too many FBI informants within the terrorist group occupying the refuge? Sounds like there were and because of that, it left the door open for the defending lawyer to claim there was coercion by the informants. So, now we have doubt interjected into the jury and since we all know that 'no reasonable doubt' is necessary to convict a person. They are free.
Sounds like the FBI screwed the pooch
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Ecopeta, I don't remember the Occupy folks carrying guns and threatening people.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Bundy said the Constitution does not grant the federal government power to own large tracts of land
Bundy should ask Thomas Jefferson, he started the public land survey system.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Bundy said the Constitution does not grant the federal government power to own large tracts of land
He's correct, but only because that was settled law prior to the Constitution being written.
Curt
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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That one guy related to the cattle dude in Nevada was kept in jail awaiting different charges in that state from the previous standoff.
The others were released.
There's still another trial in February for the remaining people who chose to plead not guilty in the Oregon bird watching/winter camping thing.
As for damages, I don't know. I'm not sure what kind of damages there were. It was a frozen bird sanctuary in the middle of nowhere. But if there were damages I'm sure they'll seek to bill someone as they should.
And there was that one older man who was shot dead after running a road block. Lots of viewpoints on that. Looked like a tough situation to me, but likely a justified shooting.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Two dudes discharged.....
That does leave something to the imagination...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2016 - 11:54am PT
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hahaha OafKeepers, credible source, hahahhahaa
There are outright lies in that list, do not bother clicking the link
Krissane Hall is crazy
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Over 15 (out of 29 total) of the “occupiers” worked for the FBI
29 total, minus 15 informants, would be 14 total real occupiers. Baloney. Best find another source for info.
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couchmaster
climber
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Haha, such irony if true. I thought it would funny if there were more feds than whiners. Re this Jah man quote: "An 8th occupier was shot by the FBI for his protest." Had he stopped for the cops he'd be alive today, no? Seems simple to me.
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John M
climber
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would be interesting to know the truth of any of those accusations.
For instance, does FBI plant actually mean that one or multiple of them turned states evidence?
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