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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 30, 2015 - 06:54am PT
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This movie sucked. I want my $9 back.
Here's a review that neatly encapsulates my view:
http://www.avclub.com/review/new-point-break-x-tremely-dull-230125
I'm not usually inclined to walk out on movies, but I was sorely tempted a coupla times...except that I didn't have much else to do last night. Definitely not recommended. Save yourself $10 and rent the original again- a far better way to spend your time.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 07:58am PT
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Like the original this one will have a cult following. They are 2 very different movies. We can call them Point Break 1 and Point Break 2.
When all is said and done I'm sure this movie will make bank. It's doing what it was intended to do, give outdoor extreme sports more exposure showing state of the art stunts in these respective sports, and give the best in these sports an opportunity to show their talent and skills to the world not just on YouTube. State of the art cinema photography in wild places and in 3D.
The backdrop was an interesting story. Sure you had to suspend belief many times but it is still a cool story.
I think movies that show case these extreme sports in the future will have to step it up and make it real as opposed to CGI magic. I think Point Break 2 will be the new measuring stick to compete against. People want it real as much as possible and not faked. Show case the best athletes in these sports and give them an avenue through Hollywood to do so. Bring in the best and let them make some good money and earn an income providing and showcasing their incredible talent.
Aren't we sick of professional athletes who throw a ball around or hit a small little ball into a cup making millions of dollars, and yet extreme athletes who are far more athletically talented, strong, and courageous, doing once in a life-time adventures placing their lives at risk, have to live in a van eating beans, barely getting by, a step above homelessness?
The real talent that should be celebrated are these extreme athletes. They should be household names, as they often are in Europe. I think people are starting to wake up to the these ideas and the imbalance in the world of sports, celebrity, and income that these people should be bringing in. Why are the X games and some of these sports making it into the Olympics so popular and now happening? I think people are waking up to the fact that these people doing these extreme sports are so far above so many other sports in terms of adventure and risk and talent it doesn't even come close.
This is what people want to see especially the youth that get it and understand it and like to participate in these sports.
You know I would think climbers here on ST many of which are well known in the climbing world and extreme sport participants themselves would get this? Maybe not ...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 30, 2015 - 08:10am PT
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There is no accounting for taste, that'sferdamshur.
PB 2 was like a bad AdventurePorn movie...you don't watch it for the story or character development, you watch it for another reason....in this case, good extreme adventure cinematography.
In this case, the shots just weren't that great or exceptional- pretty average stuff (or downright stooopid in the case of the climbing shots). And it's pretty hard to forgive the totally sucky dialogue and character development when the original actually did a pretty damn good job with both.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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"In this case, the shots just weren't that great or exceptional- pretty average stuff (or downright stooopid in the case of the climbing shots)."
What a bunch of bovine dung! They were awesome!!!! See it in 3D. These scenes and shots were spectacular. They did a great job.
Someone is seriously jaded ...
You could screen shot so many images in this movie from the many different incredible natural scenes and extreme sports that would sell for incredible amounts of money if printed in high resolution original vivid color as the film portrays archival photo paper blown up big and nicely framed. Seriously. The cinema photography in this movie was that good.
Not a bad idea to do ...
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Dec 30, 2015 - 08:17am PT
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Steve Haughelstine's Aka Dan Haughelstine's son's autograph on the Point Break Helmet, I got as a keep sake. with the Utah stunt crew's autographs. It fell down a 150' deep crevasse when the Camera ships wake blew it down the hole! I recovered it on repel, go to keep it..
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 08:43am PT
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Ap,
You're missing the point. All the big stunts for the most part were real in this movie. Not cgi. Sure cgi was done to enhance and do what they couldn't do. But the big stunts were all real. Read the articles.
Chris Sharma was doing most of the climbing for "Johnny Utah" in the film, perhaps even Bodhi with a dark hair wig, I don't know? The dynos and climbing on Angels Fall were real. I'm sure no one soloed of course, cgi out the rope. But the climbing, the moves, the surreal scene was real in Venezuela. Very cool. Spectacular setting. And no you can't get those scenes and angles and panoramas without an incredible amount of effort, technology, equipment, helicopters, drones, whathaveyou and Hollywood level talent.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 09:11am PT
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I did enjoy it.
Time is on my side. Ignorant reviewers who hate their own lives, who find only negative about everything and every movie they watch spoil movies from the get go because too many people without their own opinions listen to them.
But in the end many movies have done really well with the public despite bad reviews. I think PB2 will be one of them. I believe it will become a cult classic.
The DVD loaded with extras and behind the scenes and interviews with so many talented extreme sport athletes involved will be a great DVD to purchase. They'll obviously have to release it in 3D too.
I think this movie is a game changer for how stunts should be performed. Let people who can really do these things do them. Pay them well and we can enjoy their talent for a very long time captured in cinema long after they can't do these stunts themselves anymore. Time capsule for the grand kids. Gee, look what stunt grandpa/grandma did in this movie!!! Very cool.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 30, 2015 - 09:17am PT
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For the record, I love movies. Especially those with stories and characters that I care about.
Watched One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest the other night for the umpteenth time. That damn movie makes me verklempft every time I watch it.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 30, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
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Ignorant reviewers who hate their own lives, who find only negative about everything and every movie they watch spoil movies from the get go because too many people without their own opinions listen to them.
Just so you know Klimmer, you've just indicted the entire cinema criticism community, including the International Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the European Film Academy, Festival communities from Sundance to Cannes, writers for the Altantic, Harpers, The New Yorker...you might be suprised at how many films these folks simply liked, and in many many cases simply loved. They do not hate their lives, and they do not hate you, either. They just hate the movie.
But in the end many movies have done really well with the public despite bad reviews.
Oh? Name five. Oh hell, name three. Yeah, three movies that a mass aggregate of critics panned, yet flourished at the box office. Easy enough, right?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
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BVB,
You're making this too easy. Lol
What are the movies that audiences loved but the critics hated?
Analysis of 10,000 movies reveals the films with the highest disparity between critic and audience reviews
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jul/12/movies-audience-loved-critics-hated
11 Beloved Movies That Were Box Office Flops
http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=59990
Actually a list of 25 great movies that flopped
http://www.moviestalk.com/10-great-movies-that-flopped/
Some that come to mind if I recall right ...
Blade Runner, I believe got mixed reviews but now everyone knows it to be a masterpiece and a cult classic.
John Carter, was lambasted by the critics but many have given it a second thought and have now judged differently. It has its fans, I'm one and I would like to see the sequels as they were planned. Can't best these classic stories by Edward Rice Burroughs put to film.
Even the original Point Break got mixed reviews when it first came out, and yet now many consider it a cult classic with a big fan base audience today. Many people haven't seen the original PB1. My date hadn't.
I think the new PB2 will do as well or better than the original with fans. In a heartbeat I would buy the DVD with all the cool extras. They made a really good movie.
Like I said, time will tell. And I think those who see it will enjoy it. I did and so did my son and a date on 2 different occasions. It affected her physically. She got dissy and acrophobic in the climbing scenes. It's what 3D was made for.
Everyone should go see it and use your own brain. Judge for yourself. But I would recommend seeing it in 3D for sure.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Dec 30, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
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I'll wait for it to come out on youtube. I thought the first one was pretty forgettable actually; it was ok, but I don't remember much about it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
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TNB: Point Break - Sharma, Andrada on the Big Screen
By Alison Osius
http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/tnb-point-break-sharma-andrada-on-the-big-screen
POINT BREAK: Climbing Angel Falls - Behind the Scenes
Who needs CGI when you have Chris Sharma and Dani Andrada as stuntmen? Watch these guys climb alongside 3,200-foot Angel Falls in Venezuela—the tallest waterfall in the world—in this exclusive rock climbing behind-the-scenes from the new Point Break. All climbing stunts in the film were done in real life—no CGI, no green-screen.
Sharma, who doubles as a climber for Johnny Utah (Luke Bracey), calls the filming experience on Auyan Tepuy, site of Angel Falls, “a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,” in a previous interview with Rock and Ice. “Auyan Tepuy is one of the most amazing places I've ever been.”
Andrada, of Spain, doubles as the other climber for Bodhi (played by Edgar Ramirez)—nemesis to lawman Utah.
Peter Croft, a well-known Canadian climber and soloist, was there as a backup climber and a stunt rigger for the shoot. His expertise helped to lend credibility to the free-soloing scenes. For these shots, the climbers were tied into thin Spectra line that could be digitized out.
The filming wasn't all business though. Sharma, Andrada, Croft and the other climbers involved in the rigging found time for a little climbing on the side. They discovered an untouched boulderfield near camp and climbed during evenings or with headlamps at night.
“Overall we climbed a lot on the set, in between shots and in the evenings and of course for the film,” says Sharma. He put up the route, on the arête next to the falls, that's featured in the film. “The arête we did was super amazing,” he says, “and [we did] some amazing hard face climbing 15 feet away from the raging falls, with 3,000 feet of air.” All bolts used in the filming were removed afterwards.
The new Point Break comes out on December 25. Visit pointbreakmovie.com for more information.
http://www.rockandice.com/video-gallery/point-break-rock-climbing-behind-the-scenes
Breaking Down the Stunts in ‘Point Break’
http://www.outsideonline.com/2043351/breaking-down-stunts-point-break
http://pointbreakmovie.com/
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 30, 2015 - 08:33pm PT
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Klimmer, you're to dim to even get the question, aren't you? I tried. I failed. Best of luck to you.
The lists you posted do not address my question or my challenge. They are lists of movies that have accrued broad critical acclaim. And if you want to google up lists of movies that film buffs and critics and peer directors and writers are blown away by and love, but did poorly at the box office, you can google that as well.
My question to you -- name three films that were critically panned but did well and are revered -- remains unanswered. What you did was post lists of classics that are considered classics. The five or ten year lag it took some of these films to achieve popular and critical appreciated is irrelevant. Point Break is not a misunderstood masterpiece in search of an audience. It's a series of stunt set pieces held together with the cheap glue of bad acting and a bad script. You need to learn how differentiate between the two.
Google is a tool for research, champ. After that you need to make your points in your own words, on their own merits.
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GuapoVino
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Dec 30, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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Stunts were great, locations were great, cinematography was great, effects were good. The storyline was not developed very good. The characters weren't developed. I didn't think any of the characters were likable. The whole time I kept thinking they reminded me of the as#@&%es in the beach fight scene in the original.
I also never understood the giant breaking wave out in the middle of the ocean that you could park a mega yacht next to.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 09:31pm PT
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It's simple. The question is did you like the movie or not? Was it entertaining? For me the answer is yes and yes. Enough said.
Down the road I think many will agree dispite the negative critics. Time will tell who's right.
HOW POINT BREAK, OF ALL MOVIES, MIGHT CHANGE THE WAY HOLLYWOOD RELEASES FILMS
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-Point-Break-All-Movies-Might-Change-Way-Hollywood-Releases-Films-92637.html
I think they'll make a profit soon. It's been a great vehicle for many well known extreme sport athletes involved. And then they'll be the DVD release, with many extras I hope. They will make bank and people will watch it just to see the stunts again and again. I would love to slow it down and look at some really cool scenes and shots frame by frame.
I think it cost about 100 million to make and it's already earned 60 million or so. It's been out less than a week for the U.S.
I think it could win awards just on the stunt work involved and the cinema-photography. It probably will. Hands down some of the best shot in cinematic history performed by really talented extreme athletes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 30, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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Have not seen movie yet..
I really dig the original..
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