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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Nov 30, 2015 - 09:22pm PT
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Understood Mtnmun- That makes sense :)
Americans were carrying flare guns and pepper spray for protection but the Feds got on that.
Now some carry the wasp spray that shoots 20 feet as a lat resort.
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rbob
climber
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Nov 30, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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What is the latest with respect to Baja - camping/surfing? It seems like once you get south of tijuana things settle down a bit to make things reasonable and perhaps even fun.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Nov 30, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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Very sad. Was down there literally ladt week on a dirtbike adventure. We hung with some Australian surfers one night and I cringed when reading the story. We had a fantastic trip, and it was my first time down there. So terrible when good things go bad. My condolences.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Murder of strangers in USA is incredibly rare. our inner city murders are mostly young kids who know or know of each other. Our country murders are mostly domestic murder suicides. random tourists being murdered would be a huge news story and super rare.
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couchmaster
climber
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What a horrible story, my best to the family and friends.
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Gunkie
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 06:10am PT
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I had a good friend who lived in Poway and I would meet him for Baja surf adventures. This was late 80's early 90's. We mostly surfed Baja Norte... K38, Baja Malibu, Miguel's, etc. One long weekend we made it down to Quatro Casas (sp?) and surfed until the swell died. On the way out, just before the highway we ran into a gang claiming to be Federales. They had automatic weapons and some sort of uniforms, but were very calm and calculating. They ransacked our vehicle; pulled everything out and took the $20 USD we left on the driver's seat. Then they left. I suspect they were early cartel members looking for a easy drug score or cash cache. We had neither. I suspect today, we might not have been so lucky.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Damn. Big swaths of MX appear to be a failed narco state. Creepy. I've never been down there, and these stories certainly don't add encouragement. And that mariachi band executed and stuffed down a well in Petrero Chico? I guess things are okay there now? One excellent book on that world: God's Middle Finger by Richard Grant.
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east side underground
climber
paul linaweaver hilton crk ca
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micronut, that photo of you at quatro casas ( crappy wave, great hang) sure brings back lots of great memories. Like most young so-cal surfers those trips into baja were my first real surf adventures , stopping in ensenada for cases of beer and handfuls of bottle rockets. we would camp in that same spot, and longboard the little reef right under the cliff, while the boys would stand on the cliff and fire bottle rockets at you while you rode the ankle snappers. those trips were the kindling that lit the fire which kept pushing me further south. I'll still travel to mexico . P.S. we acually met once in the Lembert parking lot , I was admiring your new truck while drinking coffee in the AM cheers
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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A bunch of you are relating Baja stories. Mainland = different deal.
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WBraun
climber
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What's a mind blower is you can't even go play in the water without some inhuman aszhole coming to kill you.
For what?
Just to kill you. They're not human.
And eKat Bev Johnson packed the heat too.
Hoover made her conceal carry .....
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east side underground
climber
paul linaweaver hilton crk ca
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capt you are right mainland is a dfferent experince, but baja has a few rough spots as well San Quintin is a farming zone with lots of workers from mainland be very careful in this area, also EL Rosario is notorious for car break- ins.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oh yeah. Los Pallilos (The Toothpicks) house is about a mile from me. Last time I checked CV was still in the U.S. Can it last?
Members of Mexican drug gang are convicted in San Diego killings
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/17/local/la-me-drug-murders-20120517
The rampage alarmed authorities in San Diego, which had been largely spared of spillover violence. From 2004 to 2007, the gang is believed to have slain nine people and attempted to kill a Chula Vista police officer by firing high-caliber rounds into his vehicle.
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ROtotheC
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Has anyone been down Potrero Chico way lately? I have a few friends trying to talk me into going over the holidays. Been nervous to head back down since that mariachi band stuff went down.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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The cartels are direct consequences of the "War" on (some) drugs going back to the Rockefeller laws in NY and then amped up by Reagan and a cavalcade of elected cowards from both parties. They were aided and abetted by the prison guard and police unions and by the commercial corrections industry.
What you sow so shall your neighbors reap, it seems.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Anyone interested in the cartel world should check out Don Winslow's two epic pot boilers on the drug wars.
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couchmaster
climber
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The BBC is reporting that the Mexican police have arrested 3 SUSPECTED shitheads in the connection with this attack.
"The three belong to a criminal gang in the north-western state of Sinaloa, police said. They confessed to killing the two tourists when the pair fought back during an attempted robbery."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35013451
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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One of my best friend's sister in law was on a beach in Baja years ago with her girlfriend- both were beaten and raped.
My next door neighbor was attacked & robbed while camping in Baja- fractured his skull with a pipe.
Friends of a friend were surfing in Baja and were robbed, and had their van & gear burned in front of them.
I was robbed at gunpoint after climbing El Gran Trono Blanco back in the mid-90's. That was my last time to Mexico.
What amazes me is how people can have lots of stories about other friends having such violence happen to them in Mexico, but somehow think they are going to be safe. As jefe said, no matter what your experience level in travelling, there are variables that are not controllable.
Any new updates on this anywhere? It doesn't sound good, whatsoever. Best wishes to the family and friends of these adventurers.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I'd go hiking on the North Slope (of Alaska) wearing a prosciutto windbreaker
before I'd go camping in Mexico.
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