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wilbeer
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Aug 29, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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That Deep Purple in Rock was a great lp........
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Tarbuster
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Sep 14, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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Bryan Ferry's singing and songwriting gave Roxy a lot of its mainstream sex appeal, while Phil Manzanera with his distinctive guitar work, imparted his own special brand of sensuality, psychedelia, and sophistication. Their use of horns and violin also lended an instrumental virtuosity and eclectic flavor, and throughout all of that, they sure could rock!
The above posts from 801 Live, featuring Manzanera, and his solo album Diamond Head, trend more toward our targeted interest here, progressive rock, or prog, (a term coined in the 90s which would seem to be somewhat more restrictive, for progressive rock was initially cast as a pretty wide net). Brian Eno tools up the atmosphere nicely. I always feel I'm in good hands with Bill MacCormick on bass, (featured both on 801 Live and Diamond Head), whose work is reminiscent of John Gustafson from Roxy. And then Phil's work with Quiet Sun, even more so, shows some delightful prog instrumental characteristics.
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Tarbuster
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Sep 14, 2017 - 11:53am PT
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Sewelly said:
I like how prog and fusion jazz and experimental all cross into each other.
Surely they do, and it's rich!
While labels and categories are perhaps best suited to consumers, listeners, and critics, genre delineation is certainly useful when discussing different tastes and indicating preferences. Musicians seem generally to stick to playing music, and they play what they like, if they have the freedom to simply create, and often shun labels as an aspect of that pursuit.
That said, I see Art Rock and Prog Rock as fairly distinct from Jazz Fusion. And it's there in the titles: Progressive Rock is more grounded in rock bass and drumming, while Jazz Fusion is more expressive of variations on traditional jazz time signatures. Largo once said that fusion was jazz played with rock instruments. I don't know how apt that truly is, but I suppose it is poking in the right direction.
To me, Jazz Fusion is typified by the likes of John McLaughlin and Mahavishnu Orchestra, Chick Korea and Return to Forever, Wayne Shorter and Weather Report, Spyro Gyra, Shadowfax, Jean-Luc Ponty, Larry Coryell, Bill Bruford, Jeff Beck, Al Di Meola, Alan Holdsworth, Stanley Clarke, and so forth. The Miles Davis albums In a Silent Way and Bitches Brew are often cited as progenitors of jazz fusion.
Jazz Fusion also feels fairly distinct from Jazz Rock, more closely associated with bands like Blood Sweat and Tears, Chicago, and the like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_fusion
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Here's the only thread which I have found on Jazz Fusion, started by Largo nearly 10 years ago, and it may have suffered from an indistinct title, and the fact that YouTube linking wasn't available:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/823705/Great-Fusion-Music
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Though we have tinkered with some Pat Matheny and Weather Report on the jazz thread, we have for the most part limited our explorations, somewhat naturally and informally, to straight-ahead jazz. Yanqui recently posted a wonderful version of My Favorite Things on the jazz thread, by John McLaughlin, and I think that was correct; more jazz than jazz fusion. It's not so much name association but actual style.
Straight-ahead jazz is a jazz music style from the period between bebop and the 1960s' styles of Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock. It is considered the lingua franca of jam sessions, and can usually be contrasted with smooth jazz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-ahead_jazz
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I believe Jazz, Jazz Fusion, and Progressive Rock all deserve separate treatments, in order to get the most out of each genre.
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 Perhaps Marlow will at some auspicious point start a Jazz Fusion thread for us to play with, sealing up his musical triumvirate!
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Marlow
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2017 - 11:26am PT
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Bo Hansson - Leaving Shire - The Old Forest - Fog on the Barrow Downs
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Tarbuster
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Sep 19, 2017 - 10:06am PT
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Yes, Mouse.
I dig soft machine.
Check out one of my recent posts on the jazz thread from them.
That particular post on the jazz thread was almost pure jazz, not progressive, or fusion. They're very eclectic and tend to range about.
Of course, we also love their name source!
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