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EdwardT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2015 - 08:22am PT
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Given Russia's leadership and the size of its military, I'm not overly concerned with competence. I'm more concerned with Putin's agenda. And the unlikelihood of anyone standing up to Russian aggression.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 24, 2015 - 08:43am PT
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What's Erdowan's position on Assad?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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Well, you are the one who took issue with my mission readiness comment but construed it
beyond its technical parameters to include strategic power projection. You have to be more
literal and specific when you're dealing with a simple mind. ;-)
Now I am going to have that coffee, then I'll come back with an abstract on why you don't
want to go up against an upgraded SU-27, with or without coffee, in yer F-15E. ;-)
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 08:50am PT
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Reilly
These people here are just brainwashed nationalism Americans with no clue .....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:03am PT
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Brainwashed or not, I think we all can agree we have one hell of clusterfuk over there. Who is going to emerge to lead this circus or will it devolve further to the point of testing the hardware Reilly and DMT argue about.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:05am PT
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DMT ur right about Russians not being competent..
Look at how their aircraft carrier launches it's jets..they couldn't figure out the catapulted system like US..
Also those Russian battleship have turn the ship toward it's target unlike ours which have a 360 turn radius. .
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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I wish the world would get it geopolitical act together and quit freaking out my kids (now in their early 20's). Now I can't even say happy turkey day.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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And the US doesn't bomb civilians, torture them etc. . .
Like the Doctors without Borders hospital, DMT????
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couchmaster
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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This talk about Russians being pussies reminds me of how the North and the South talked about each other before the American civil war. "WE'RE BETTER THAN THEY ARE". Turns out, they were both wrong about their opponents and that blindness caused a huge amount of pain and destruction that could have been avoided with compromise and calm. I'd like to think we have moved past that kind of thing. But I'm wrong on that it appears. As a NATO member, we could see a huge war on our shore seconds after some random Archduke in the Baltics takes it in the head.
It's not a thing to play with. تراجع
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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Considering how many A/C we had shot down over North, South Vietnam and Cambodia etc by a bunch of Sandal wearing wiped their asses with bamboo leaves Third World Jungle Humpers supposedly an easily to be kicked opponents ass, I would not be taking this incident in the manner you all are. DMT etal.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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Russia and Syrian president Bashar al-Assad are long-standing allies, while the US are committed to Assad being overthrown for a democratically elected government.
Just like the current Administration assisted in doing in Libya which is now controlled by, ISIS, ISIL or what ever there new name is this week.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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I wonder if the TOW missile got there via Benghazi?
Probably part of the weapons supplied by our government.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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And Stephens was assassinated over those arms. He knew too much to return to the U.S.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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And Stephens was assassinated over those arms. He knew too much to return to the U.S.
I thought it was over a Youtube video?
Two quotes,
Ergodan sees himself as the 125th Byzantine caliph and has spent more ordinance bombing Kurds than Daish.
all Erdogan the Islamist has to do is set Nato to war against Russia and then the Caliphate gets its enemies to fight each other instead of Islamist fascism
Closer to home, I guess we'll find out now.
We're about to find out if Obama is more Muslim than Marxist. Decisions, decisions, decisions
one more worth considering
Hmmm. Bomb the only party that is fighting Daesh on the ground. Withhold any support to the Kurds especially when they fight Daesh close to the Turkish border. Next, enable a flood of "Syrian refugees" to swarm Greece and Western Europe, directly leading to terror attacks in Paris, and a complete shutdown of Brussels. Next, shoot down a Russian bomber while it is attacking Daesh and other Islamofascists.
One would legitimately think Turkey is on the side of Daesh.
NATO will have to choose which side it's on. One should also consider the Turkish treachery during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:33am PT
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Now I joke at the expense of making this point: this dogfight was not accidental.
I agree. Either:
 the Russians were deliberately pushing/testing the Turks (and got their bluff called), or
the Turks got tired of the Russians bombing the Syrian faction they support the most and decided to send a message (knowing that, most likely, NATO has their back).
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:34am PT
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Americans eat stupid turkeys and thus become stoopid turkeys.
No wonder Americans are getting their asses kicked ......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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Through the Bosphorus Straight Turkey shoot? No, into Iran and escorted through Iraqi ISIS territory by Iran, The dear leaders good nuke buddies.
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couchmaster
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:51am PT
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I seem to remember Turkey slamming the door on the US during the gulf war. Didn't change a thing.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:57am PT
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Both allies (Russia and Iran) are salivating over those northern oil fields. No better way than as a joint liberation army. Could be some real problems brewing in the area while the dear leader is fixated on the vehicle of global warming to advance socialist taxation and regulation schemes.
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