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EdwardT

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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 24, 2015 - 04:26am PT
Is this a game changer? The beginning of a much larger conflict?

Ankara and the Kremlin gave conflicting accounts of the incident, which appears to have occurred in an area near the Turkish-Syrian border straddling Iskenderun and Latakia.

The Turkish military said it scrambled two F-16 fighter jets after a plane penetrated Turkish airspace in the province of Hatay at 9.20am on Tuesday morning, warning it to leave 10 times in five minutes before it was shot down.

A government official said: “In line with the military rules of engagement, the Turkish authorities repeatedly warned an unidentified aircraft that they were 15km or less away from the border. The aircraft didn’t heed the warnings and proceeded to fly over Turkey. The Turkish air forces responded by downing the aircraft.

“This isn’t an action against any specific country: our F-16s took necessary steps to defend Turkey’s sovereign territory.”

Russia’s defence ministry, in a series of tweets, confirmed a Russian Su-24 had been shot down, but insisted the plane had never left Syrian airspace and claimed that fire from the ground was responsible. “At all times, the Su-24 was exclusively over the territory of Syria,” the defence ministry said.

“The Su-24 was at 6,000 metres and preliminary information suggests it was brought down by fire from the ground. The circumstances are being investigated.”

The ministry said the two pilots managed to successfully eject from the plane, but added that Moscow had no further contact with them. The Turkish TV network CNN Türk has reported that one of the pilots was found dead, and a graphic video purporting to show a dead Russian pilot is being widely circulated. The fate and whereabouts of the second pilot is unclear.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 24, 2015 - 05:32am PT
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 24, 2015 - 06:52am PT
Spot on, DMT.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:02am PT
The incompetence makes them all the more unpredictable and dangerous.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:04am PT
Here's a couple of real "Turkeys" shooting down a pair of Migs....


[Click to View YouTube Video]
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:07am PT
No, it's a minor pimple on a regional clusterf*#k and the Russians are prepared to lose way more than a plane or they wouldn't be there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:12am PT
Thet're very competent in many areas, command and control not being one of them.
While unlikely to our eyes it would be folly to assume that this was completely unplanned.
The western mind does not work like the Russian. Why do you think they're the greatest
chess players on the planet and that the KGB has consistently owned the CIA?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:13am PT
Oh the Old "Turkeys"....





The western mind does not work like the Russian. Why do you think they're the greatest chess players on the planet and that the KGB has consistently owned the CIA?

Ah, they don't give a flying Ratsazz fk about being... "LIKED"?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:19am PT
At the risk of thread drift it's a gud thing no 'Turkey' ever got in a guns fight with a competently
driven Mig 29 - it would have been a short fight, even with Tom Cruise driving.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:21am PT
Not with 2 or 3 of these shot off at 5-10 sec intervals it wouldn't have....


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:31am PT
Oh, Dingus, the Wehrmacht wasn't competent? Please! While it is partially true that they
wore them down with Mother Winter's help Zhukov and Co also pulled off some tactical
brilliancies the equal of any Karpov and Kasparov did; read Thunder On The Dnepr.
The authors, a Yank and a Russian, had unprecedented access to Kremlin files just after
the demise of the Soviet Union.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2015 - 07:42am PT
Are you saying Russian retaliation is nothing to be concerned about?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:43am PT
But in a head to head fight with a competent opponent?

Well that certainly leaves the US out (as a competent opponent that is) with the current POTUS as C IN C!


Cus them Russky boys sure are doing what ever the fk they want to do with absolutely NO "opposition" from this POTUS!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 07:57am PT
Again, I say this is a command and control issue in addition to the fact that Russia has not
sent their A-Team to Syria. The SU-24 was their copy of our POS F-111 and is so antiquated I
wouldn't be surprised if its nav system wasn't working. Their front line fighters are certainly
the equal of ours and I would wager might well have a better mission readiness factor. Their
problem is they can't afford to build enough or train frequently enough.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:01am PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:03am PT
We fought the Rooskies in the Persian Gulf? Really? BwaHaHa! I don't think Saddam's
camel jockeys quite qualify.
WBraun

climber
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:04am PT
Americans are dumber then the sack of rocks they climb on ......
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:06am PT
DMT, what are you talking about? Saddam's clapped out parts-starved AF of antiquated
POS was a joke! The W Germans inherited the E Germans' Mig-29's so we got to game
those. Believe me, it was game on. Today's front line Russian jobs are just as bad azz.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:10am PT
He didn't say anything about actually fighting the Russians in the Gulf. Nor did he say anything about Saddam. He merely stated that Russian "mission readiness" wasn't currently up to par in the gulf.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:21am PT
Second one down

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003
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