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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
Robert, the shitfest in Iraq is all about the oil. Greenspan, the now retired PHD economist drum player for globalization, has admitted this.

If it was only about the moon and properly howling at it, there would be no issue.

Who would care about the middle East if there was no oil there ?


If this is about ME oil, why did WE ALLOW it to be sold off to China? Why didn't WE CLAIM IT as cost for liberation from Saddam? Fruits of labor?

We USED TO CARE about the ME, but it's irrelevant now. Let it rot, let them kill each other!

EDIT:
If you were starving, I'd not be surprised, nor judge you too badly, for accepting bread from those who hold your future between a snap of their thumb and forefinger.

Are you comparing ISIS to Jesus? Or the poor victims of ISIS? Explain your analogy. WTF are you talking about?

Why don't you stop fuelling your car with petrol? I'm not saying that you should. I am asking you to think about where that oil comes from, how it is taken and secured, and why you consume it nonetheless (even having some joys when using it at times)?


The oil comes from Saudi Arabia, but mostly Mexico. I say f*#k them both. Frack it, dude!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
Question: would this chaos have happened if the Bush/Cheney junta had not invaded Iraq?


Yes and no. It would have happened differently.

Would 9/11 have happened, and Bush/Cheney in Iraq, if Bill Clinton would have launched a cruise-missile at Bin Laden when he was targeted covertly 10 years prior?

Bill Clinton could have stopped all of this. But wait! It started with the Jews and Israel before that, which lead to Bin Laden pissing his pants and going to Afghanistan in the first place.

Do you see where you could take this, if you want to think backwards? Of course we could just blame everything on the f*#king Jews. Seems popular nowadays.

EDIT:
2014 data shows Afghanistan's infant mortality to be abouts 115 children dieing per 1,000 live births. The US's is about 6 children die per 1,000 live births. That's one way to measure how your US Aid program is doing Bluering. Should we put some more money into it? Or should we pray more? Or prey less?

Please don't compare Afghan birth-rates to US rates! C'mon!!! You
re talking about the polar opposites of poverty levels. That's only one factor too.

USAID will do more good than bad. And I think that is money well spent. As long as there is oversight!!!

The Afghanis will do much better as a civilization with our help, rather than the Taliban. Do they want it, that's the question.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
I say you should pay more for your oil. And for the jobs it creates, and the profits it makes, to be distributed more equitably.

That really sounds nice, huh.

And I think you should have incentives to live in a sustainable environment. Where you don't need to solo-self-drive so much. Where public transport is efficiently pleasant. Where you have a well built house with nice local amenity. And work hours that co-exist with your family and travel needs.


Lets just agree to disagree before I get angry.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
You're right Steve, no one ever f*#ked sh#t up for any reason other than, "We're killing you for your own good".


You're joking somewhat. It may soon come to that Jim.

This violence will come to an end. Even a country like France has its limits on civility and "rules of war".

Mark my words. France will retaliate.

I'd hate to see what happens when they test Mrs May in Britain.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
HMS Queen Elizabeth is still about a year from sea trials.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
I'm sensing a meeting at sea between Prime Minister May and Prez Trump. Prolly have General Flynn on board.

If you don't think future Sec Def Flynn isn't writing up ISIS plans write now, you prolly have a life. You know Trump has him all over that. And Flynn is kinda old-school.

So...ISIS should be worried. (and Jim will have his joke-reward come true)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
I wonder what more France could do to help it's new immigrant population feel more welcome and comfortable. They're obviously too intolerant or something.

Probably racists.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
As la femme pointed out if les arabes francaises thnk it was hard finding jobs before what
must it be like now?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
They won't have me at 47, Rob. So I just give support.

With decisive leadership, the Iraqi gov't would give us oversight of ops, and we could finish this thing once and for all.

That'd include securing the Northern Iraq border with a new Trump-Wall. And ISIS WILL PAY FOR IT!!!

F*#king Kurds still need their own place around Mosul though...
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:02pm PT
No one can do a damn thing about terrorism. That's why it's called terrorism. We have been wallowing around in the middle ease for almost 15 years, spend trillions of dollars, torture people, blow them up with drones and it has not made one iota of a difference. So what we need is more of the same? Great idea!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
Fences can make for good neighbours. Though....when those fences divide people too much, they make for distrust. And people hate feeling distrusted. And people don't genuinely feel good, when they feel compelled to distrust others. So then, lots of blaming starts.

Stop trying to sound sound cute. Fences are great. You can regulate who you come into contact with. Wander wander? Leave the gate.

And peoples' "feelings"? Really? Some people need to suck it up. Yes, it's really that easy. Stop whining!

France sees lots of layers of division. The concentrated areas of degrading state housing and poor employment prospects are a big one. While multi-faceted approaches are needed, among it's own population, France needs to put more energy into finding jobs and improving living conditions for it's marginalised residents. And that requires a more equitable dividing of the pie, which is hard for others to swallow and accept.


So what? This is an excuse to blow up some people or drive over them??? And if they don't like it, LEAVE FRANCE!!


What targets would you paint?

You are aware of the central role the Peshmerga (and other volunteers) have played in cutting-off ISIS around Mosul aren't you. Why don't you go fight there? 47 y.o. would be no barrier.

There's already an artillery unit outside Kirkuk. Marines. It would not take too much more to add support to the Kurds and Iraqi army.

More artillery support. But major air support would be key. A-10 type stuff.

I have no training to join those guys with the Peshmerga. That's not my place. Instead I offer my support of their mission.

I'll cover things here, okay?

EDIT: Rob, I have a map I'll share showing the artillery area! Seriously. It's public knowledge

Hold on
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9929965,42.5607131,8z/data=!4m2!6m1!1s1U3LkHZczvHTWpW5QlIleZa9vaX0?hl=en

Triangulate Irbil, Kirkuk, and Mosul equally to the West. That's where the firbase is at. I think they've been busy too, just quiet about it in support of the IA. The town begins with an ,m,

if you google that town name and artillery, you'll see
http://www.ibtimes.com/us-marines-enter-battle-iraq-help-army-peshmerga-defend-oil-fields-isis-2342013
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
If I want to know the xenophobic, racial, and mysognistic opinions of my friends, I'd go to their NRA endorsing forums to see what they crankloon-on-about.

Ah, there it is, the inevitable descent (and so quickly) into labeling and name-calling. Yessss
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
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Such great sadness today...

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Vive La France..
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
Is there any information at all about the identity of the criminal(s) who committed the attacks? In particular, information as to whether it was a domestic or a foreign terrorist, or perhaps something else? Facts?

Accounts in European newspapers from those present suggest that many of the dead and injured were themselves immigrants to France, as seems likely at a large, family-oriented event in the south.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:39pm PT
Tunisian, Anders
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
Sad. Took only a few hours for President Obama to be blamed by the conservatives here.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
I said I would not post anymore, but having lived and worked in southern France, and hanging out in Nice, my condolences. It is really sad, but one would think, Bastille Day would be a target.

I have no solutions to terrorism, I just want to express my deep sadness.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:59pm PT

I have no solutions to terrorism

Either does trump
kattz

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:00am PT
These attacks and murders, along with many others over the last several years in both the US and in Europe, are a direct result of a failure of political leadership in the western countries-- starting foremost with the hugely unfortunate election of Obama and the grovelling stupidity of the entire crop of socialist leaders in Europe , who take their orders from the big money in the back rooms of the EU.

The European people need to be armed in order to defend themselves going forward. No one else will do it for them. The political leadership in the west has grown unconcerned with the welfare of its people and have met the rising tide of murder and mayhem with weakness, accommodation , linguine spines, and corruption.

Yep, the current situation is the result of impotent, weak and useless European half-commie bleeding heart idiot leaders, who're the main terrorist accomplices. The problem is that Europeans are too weakened and brainwashed to defend themselves now. Yes, they need to be armed but they seem to be too weak to realize what they should do to save their countries/incapable of any action. They're literally being decimated as nations by invaders and they can not resist anymore. Europe is done. US is heading the same way, open door policy/runaway immigration will do it in.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:19am PT
Saudi Arabia, a Hillary funding supporter, exports an extremist form of Islam across the globe. The National Government of France, over ruled the local government of Nice.

http://www.la-croix.com/Urbi-et-Orbi/France/Le-Conseil-d-Etat-somme-la-mairie-de-Nice-d-ouvrir-la-mosquee-au-public-2016-07-01-1200772985

Christian Estrosi (Republicans) opposed since 2012 at the opening of the mosque of 950 m². It accuses him of being the property of the Minister of Islamic Affairs of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Saleh Al Asheikh, minister " who advocates Sharia law in a state close Wahhabi religious Salafism ."

It also denounces the lack of transparency on the financing of the mosque completed in November 2012. This refutes the cultural association and worship Plain, mosque manager.

Nice town hall tries to transform the place in a crèche, a service called long by residents of surrounding neighborhoods. An investigation commissioner appointed by the town council had issued a favorable opinion on this expropriation.
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