Coordinated attacks ongoing in France

"Time to start nuking those motherf*#kers
Seriously"

ISIL is just a JV team....We have contained them!

Time to start nuking those motherf*#kers
Seriously

F*#king idiot.

Both are unalloyed propaganda shops that cater to audiences of low-normals.

What to do, what to do?

Funny (but not funny) how when a nation realizes the shortcoming of their policies, it's already too late.

Probably a matter of time before we're dealing with this same type of thing here.

France was the only major western power that tried to dissuade GWB from invading Iraq, which was the trigger for this entire mess

For the record, I think Obama could have been more on top of this, but trying to hang this whole thing on him is so weak. How about the euro's police their 'hood?

Did the IQ here just drop 30 points or sumthin'?

This sh#t will only stop when the Muslims who claim to be in the majority... you know- the moderate ones.... get fed up with a small minority (ISIS)and go smack them down.

Of course, the right-wing forum crazies are already exploiting this terrible tragedy to attack our president. Pathetic creeps.

How many members of ISIS existed before George Bush Sr. started his family's crusade against the people of Iraq?

None.

I would also like to remind the Muslim-haters in this forum that ISIS is also delighted to kill uncounted members of their own faith courtesy of their twisted interpretation of the Koran.

Turn yourself off and try to one one strand of morality.
-Crankaloon

You're sick.

The Chief shows by example why the Constitution enshrines civilian control of our military

ISIS looks super scary… until you actually give the slightest bit of thought to history.

ISIS looks super scary… until you actually give the slightest bit of thought to history.

So they're just an existential threat? Tell that to the 5000 men and boys
who were executed in Sinjar (sp?) and the thousands of women who were sold
into sexual slavery. Very existential, mon ami.

Only the losers of SuperTopo would turn this into some political dick-stroke.

Go f*#k yourselves.

But Chief's handwringing does not make them an existential threat.

The rest of the planet has a few statistics you might consider.

While it's easy to blame bush*, the real cause is our support of the Zionist state of Israel, and our support of corrupt Arab dictators.

The Chief does not understand the difference between an emergency (a serious one) and an existential threat.

Exactly what do mining catastrophies have to do with coordinated planning concerning nation / tribe self interest ?

ever tragedy...

So the first "Bad Guy" involved in this incident to be detained by French officials just less than an hour ago tells em he and the rest of doooods carrying out this attack are, well, you guessed it, members of that JV Team known as ISIS. AND, that they are ALL from Syria and they have just begun to reign terror on the West.

Pretty amazing how such a low ranked bunch of "hoodlums" (JV team) can carry out such a well coordinated effort in one of the worlds most secure cities.

Which would not have happened, were it not for the Cheney-Bush administration

STFU already Spiny with your political based bullshet.

BHO and Hillary pulled out ...

drag politics into an issue.

instead of thinking, and being analytical

instead of thinking, and being analytical, the thread quickly evolved to blame and stupidity. no wonders our politicians do so well. this thread is the microcosm of america which is quite sickening.

BHO and Hillary pulled out and left a vacuum in Iraq

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Again, this is why we have civilian control of the military, and why we have a rigid chain of command. So that we can tell people like the Chief to STFU.

Getting out of Iraq was the key issue on which Obama was elected.

Spare me your crap about caliphates. We're talking ISIS here...

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (2014–present)
Main article: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Map of ISIL's claimed Caliphate at its extent in May 2015

The group Al Qaeda in Iraq formed as an affiliate of the al Qaeda network of Islamist militants during the Iraq War. The group eventually expanded into Syria and rose to prominence as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) during the Syrian Civil War. In the summer of 2014, the group launched an offensive in northern Iraq, seizing the city of Mosul. The group declared itself a caliphate under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who took the name and title of Caliph Ibrahim, and renamed itself as the "Islamic State".[37][38] ISIL's claim to be the highest authority of Muslims has not been widely recognized beyond the territory it controls with 10 million people,[39] and the group has been at war with armed forces including the Iraqi Army, the Syrian Army, the Free Syrian Army, Jabhat al-Nusra, and the Kurdish Peshmerga and People's Protection Units (YPG) along with a 60 nation coalition in its efforts to establish a de facto state on Iraqi and Syrian territory.

Norton

Social climber

Nov 13, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
what a dumb ass

If Stewart is right, then ISIS had every right in the world to murder all those people in France.

Meaning...we'll deal with this st for generations if we(and the rest of the world) don't put this sht to rest.

Over 50 years ago, I recall the problem in France came from "Moroccans and Algerians" committing acts of terrorism…

…failing at that time to call them Fundamentalist Muslim Terrorists.

We are at War without Pity!

Am I making myself clear?

You asserted that caliphates have been around since 620AD. Perhaps you could explain what ISIS has been doing since back then...

The term caliph (/ˈkeɪlɪf, ˈkælɪf/), derives from the Arabic word khalīfah (خَليفة, About this sound pronunciation (help·info)), which means "successor", "steward", or "deputy" and has traditionally been considered a shortening of either the term khalifat Allah ("successor to God") or khalifat rasul Allah ("successor of the messenger of God]"). However, studies of pre-Islamic texts suggest that the original meaning of the phrase was "successor selected by God."

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant declared its governmental structure a 'caliphate' on June 29, 2014 after taking control of large swathes of territory in Syria (which for a prolonged period of time comprised over 50% of that country) and Iraq. Nevertheless, it is known by much of the Muslim world and Muslim scholars to be a illegitimate caliphate within the basis of Islam.

ISIS, the group, was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ)

Would it make sense for them to poke various superpowers throughout the world? No.

Russian plane crash: ISIS chatter supports bomb theory, officials say

So any reasonable person would naturally respond by murdering ten dozen innocent French people in Paris. I got it the first time.

We are at War without Pity!

Has anyone mentioned that the French President has closed the borders? He's locking the barn door after the horses got away. It'll be the same for us soon enough.

Just this morning... Oh the Ironeeee!!!

In this case a few hundred people die and everyone wants to go to war again and kill thousands.

From the start, our goal was to first contain, and WE HAVE CONTAINED THEM!

Think a little harder, Chief. I know it's challenging.

Don't do what your enemy wants you to do.. ISIS wants us to come to war.

Instead you turn your head in complete denial of the horror and allow "your enemy" to continue slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent human beings.

Was Chief comparably horrified when the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the deaths of between 200,000 and 500,000 children age five or younger

Estimates of deaths due to sanctions

Estimates of excess deaths during the sanctions vary widely, use different methodologies and cover different time-frames.[31][38][39] Some estimates include (some of them include effects of the Gulf War in the estimate):

Mohamed M. Ali, John Blacker, and Gareth Jones estimate between 400,000 and 500,000 excess under-5 deaths.[40]
UNICEF: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] [c]hildren under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago." (As is customary, this report was based on a survey conducted in cooperation with the Iraqi government and by local authorities in the provinces not controlled by the Iraqi government)[41]
Former U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998.[42]
"Probably ... 170,000 children", Project on Defense Alternatives, "The Wages of War", 20 October 2003[43]
350,000 excess deaths among children "even using conservative estimates", Slate Explainer, "Are 1 Million Children Dying in Iraq?", 9. October 2001.[44]
Economist Michael Spagat: "very likely to be [less] than half a million children" because estimation efforts are unable to isolate the effects of sanctions alone due to the lack of "anything resembling a controlled experiment",[45] and "one potential explanation" for the statistics showing an increase in child mortality was that "they were not real, but rather results of manipulations by the Iraqi government."[45]
"Richard Garfield, a Columbia University nursing professor ... cited the figures 345,000-530,000 for the entire 1990-2002 period"[46] for sanctions-related excess deaths.[47]
Zaidi, S. and Fawzi, M. C. S., (1995) The Lancet British medical journal: 567,000 children.[48] A co-author (Zaidi) did a follow-up study in 1996, finding "much lower ... mortality rates ... for unknown reasons."[49]
Amatzia Baram, Director of the Center for Iraq Studies at the University of Haifa, reported almost no difference in the rate of Iraq’s population growth between 1977 and 1987 (35.8 percent) and between 1987 and 1997 (35.1 percent), suggesting that the sanctions-related death rate is lower than reported, while also stating "Every child who suffers from malnutrition as a result of the embargo is a tragedy".[50]
Reports made in 2004 and 2007 by Iraqi government do not show any increase but a stagnation.

During the 7-month occupation, the forces of Saddam Hussein looted Kuwait's vast wealth and there were also reports of violations of human rights.[47] A 2005 study revealed that the Iraqi occupation had a long-term adverse impact on the health of the Kuwaiti populace.

So Spine, are you now going to blame Bush Sr. for Hussien's choice to invade Kuwait and conduct the slaughtering of innocent Kuwaitee civilians that his soldiers administered during their time in Kuwait?

... now stop barking out orders about why the other 9/10s of America should believe your fantasies..

Hollande will have some heavy explaining as to why the security forces took
two hours to storm the theatre when from the get-go people inside were texting
and tweeting the ongoing horror.

They will do nothing other than wring their hands until someone else steps in to save them.

Why did they wait until all were killed before they moved in?

I wouldn't doubt that the security people wanted to go in but were over-ruled
by the politicos.

Your endless need to assert your "expertise" in all things related to military and terrorism

A: Multiple shooters with rifles who could lay down suppressing fire while the others were reloading. Also it was a sit-down venue. Difficult to maneuver.

Oh, btw, these ISIS doods have NOTHING to do with GWB or Cheney. Nothing.

So, with all of this military might, would it not be fairly easily to apply continuous pressure and completely decimate ISIS?

They can wait if they like until next November for the actual balloting, but Donald Trump was elected president tonight.

Jody

climber
Occupied Territory

Nov 14, 2015 - 09:17am PT
Islam is a peaceful religion.