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BJ

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
Earlier this morning.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/
WyoRockMan

climber
South Fork of the Shoshone
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:25pm PT
It's time to evolve. Fvck superstitious beliefs.



[Click to View YouTube Video]

EDIT for context
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/california-band-was-due-play-club-time-paris-attack-n463251

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:28pm PT
Time to start nuking those motherf*#kers
Seriously
couchmaster

climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:35pm PT

Harry noted, quote:
"Time to start nuking those motherf*#kers
Seriously"


Hey now, whoh der big fella, calm down a tad. Take a cleansing breath...or 2.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:36pm PT
Better check if there were any obnoxious Youtube videos released recently--that's probably what incited the violence. If so, let's make sure whoever put out the video is properly punished.
And don't get mad at the terrorists--remember that the crusaders did some nasty things too!
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:38pm PT
My Mom is in paris and said it was getting pretty hardcore.

The US consulate is getting a heavy dose of declarations of visiting US citizens right now.

Hope it ceases.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
fortunately supertopo's experts will save the day
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
Seriously? Really?

Get real, brother rodent.

Chill. Take a deep deep breath.

Ain't sh#t yer gonna do about it, like always.

Take another deep deep breath.

Un jour noir, certainment.

But stuff happens, accordin' to le gouverner Jeb Bush.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
ISIL is just a JV team....We have contained them!
POTUS Obama


Nothing to worry about. Move along.
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
When you see a hornet you need to go kick the sh#t out of it's nest, barefoot and with your kids in tow.
Tipkiss

Trad climber
CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
Time to start nuking those motherf*#kers
Seriously

HELL YEAH!!!
Lets turn those f*#ks into dust!!

crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
Mucci, I hope your Mom stays safe.

Whether anyone wants to voice it or not we ARE in WWIII. The million dollar question is what to do about it? We can argue until we're blue in the face about "kicking ass", etc. but whose? And where? And how?

Condolences to the friends and families affected.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
These attacks and murders, along with many others over the last several years in both the US and in Europe, are a direct result of a failure of political leadership in the western countries-- starting foremost with the hugely unfortunate election of Obama and the grovelling stupidity of the entire crop of socialist leaders in Europe , who take their orders from the big money in the back rooms of the EU.

The European people need to be armed in order to defend themselves going forward. No one else will do it for them. The political leadership in the west has grown unconcerned with the welfare of its people and have met the rising tide of murder and mayhem with weakness, accommodation , linguine spines, and corruption.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:17pm PT
Let the Games begin.... and they will.



I wonder if Obama and his close national security "Advisers" may be considering upgrading "ISIL" to a C Division Varsity Team status in the near future?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:24pm PT
I'm not sure we're in WWIII, but radical Islam or whatever you want to call it does not appear like it's going to go away anytime soon. What to do, what to do?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
Linking to Breitbart.com = linking to Pravda.ru

Both are unalloyed propaganda shops that cater to audiences of low-normals.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
F*#king idiot.

Yeah It hurts --- don't it?

Both are unalloyed propaganda shops that cater to audiences of low-normals.

"Unalloyed shops"

LOL

Is that a term gleaned from a 1917 Bolshevik communique ?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:32pm PT
So the first "Bad Guy" involved in this incident to be detained by French officials just less than an hour ago tells em he and the rest of doooods carrying out this attack are, well, you guessed it, members of that JV Team known as ISIS. AND, that they are ALL from Syria and they have just begun to reign terror on the West.

Pretty amazing how such a low ranked bunch of "hoodlums" (JV team) can carry out such a well coordinated effort in one of the worlds most secure cities.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
What to do, what to do?

Good question. There is no easy answer. How do you defend against unseen people?
c wilmot

climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
You dont import them^^^
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
Yep, attacks on Russia and France are Obama's fault. Oh wait. There are a bunch of other countries involved! I thought the US was the only one with a dog in this hunt, caused by 'Shrub.

Did the IQ here just drop 30 points or sumthin'?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
^^^^^^^^NO dumbazz... the attacks are GW's fault. All of em. Big time.


France is now under a State of Emergency and complete control of the State. First time since 1944.

Over 100 dead and unknown injured. Appears ONLY 10, maybe 12 doods, carried this all out. Yup, ISIL is just a shetty azz JV Team.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
Funny (but not funny) how when a nation realizes the shortcoming of their policies, it's already too late.

Probably a matter of time before we're dealing with this same type of thing here.

France was the only major western power that tried to dissuade GWB from invading Iraq, which was the trigger for this entire mess, and the right wing morons here made Freedom Fries jokes about it. It should be clear which nation's policies have more shortcomings.

There's no "probably" about it happening here, only a question of when and where.

TE

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
For the record, I think Obama could have been more on top of this, but trying to hang this whole thing on him is so weak. How about the euro's police their 'hood?

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
Moderate Muslims in America take note. The most extreme and oppressive elements of your religion in Europe will now face the wrath of the most extreme and oppressive elements of the far right- Good luck with that...

My question in all this:

Did the Shaw, Sadam, Kadafi and Assad breed this radicalism through their opression or- is this radicalism inherent in those particular countries and they did the dirty work that had to be done?

Let's face it, Christian's, Jews, women, gays and secularism fared much better under their tyranny.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
France was the only major western power that tried to dissuade GWB from invading Iraq, which was the trigger for this entire mess

Oh that makes so much sense and logic that the Bad Guys of "this entire mess" attack "the only major western power that tried to dissuade GWB from invading Iraq".
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
I sit here trying to understand how weak minded people can simply wantonly murder other human beings who have done nothing. Nothing. What depravity teaches this?

If these attacks are by ISIS (or a similar group):

  How does this (yet another) attack fit in with Article 5 of the NATO treaty (an attack on one is an attack on all)?

  Does France go "boots on the ground" versus ISIS in Syria (and do we go with them)?

  Will the west re-visit the "laws of war" and their extreme protections to "innocent" civilians?


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
For the record, I think Obama could have been more on top of this, but trying to hang this whole thing on him is so weak. How about the euro's police their 'hood?

Obama's incompetent and misguided policy decisions as regards Syria and Iraq from the moment the community activist narcissist took office ---are at the root of the ISIS jv team.

Obama's inability to take take truly effective action against them from the outset has resulted in the tragedies we see in France, and will continue ,because Obama is ideologically incapable of dealing with Islamic terrorism. He lacks the will and determination and smarts of a truly effective leader. He is in politics because he likes the narcissistic supply he gets when people are adoring him.

The metastasis that is this ISIS group is now spreading to the rest of the body. The only surgeon we have is Obama --- and he is a quack.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
If you've been in Les Banlieues you wouldn't wonder at where the radicalism
comes from. Those places are the equal of Detroit and Chicago's worst slums.
And to make them worse the French police have made them no-go zones for a
long time, just as the Swedish cops have. The French have bent over backwards
to give them free education and opportunities and this is what it has brought them.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
This will end like it did in the 40's with millions of deaths and people shipped in box cars.

The one open question is who will be in the box cars.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b83_1447437819




thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
where do I sign up to ship all those OTHER people away in boxcars, TGT?
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
Never come to an instant conclusions when it comes to politics

Always ask yourself,who ultimately is benefiting from this


guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
This sh#t will only stop when the Muslims who claim to be in the majority... you know- the moderate ones.... get fed up with a small minority (ISIS)and go smack them down.

The French suffered so much in WW1 and WW2 they became strong pacifists. That was long ago, the French, much like Americans, can wake up in a real pissed off mood.... I would not be surprised if they did something big.
Like Kick every Muslim out of France for starters.

And this festering mess that is the middle east started long before GWB was born. The French and English, drawing straight lines on a map in 1919 didn't help matters.



johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
France has deployed their military. I guess this means they have 6 weeks paid leave in the Greek Isles?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:13pm PT
Oh, almost forgot, France btw is one of the strictest Anti-Gun Controled states on this planet.


HEY Guy, don't be surprised if the FFL (13 DEMI Brigade) is fully deployed to Syria and Iraq within the next couple of days with open orders to hunt down and terminate on sight as many ISIS JV players as possible. They are btw one of the best "Head Hunter Teams" on planet earth. They make ST SIX look like a bunch of JV Cheer Leaders.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:13pm PT
Happy Birthday Medusa...rj
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
yes this is about gun control. ;-)
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
Of course, the right-wing forum crazies are already exploiting this terrible tragedy to attack our president. Pathetic creeps.

Thoughts and prayers to the people of Paris.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
Sorry to interrupt the political speculations and expert opinions... Just think this is really sad and makes my heart sink.
Thoughts and prayers to all those affected and anyone with friends and family in Paris like my roommate.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:18pm PT
Hollande will have some heavy explaining as to why the security forces took
two hours to storm the theatre when from the get-go people inside were texting
and tweeting the ongoing horror.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
Did the IQ here just drop 30 points or sumthin'?

Not possible. He didn't have 30 points to drop.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
hey there say, anita514...

that's how i feel too... very very sad...

prayers for all concerned...

:(
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:34pm PT
This sh#t will only stop when the Muslims who claim to be in the majority... you know- the moderate ones.... get fed up with a small minority (ISIS)and go smack them down.


This sh#t will only stop when the Christians who claim to be in the majority... you know- the moderate ones.... get fed up with a small minority (racists) and go smack them down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-st-louis-area-church-fires-targeting-black-neighborhoods/

We could do the same thing with clinics that provide abortions, etc.

Anyone who singles out an entire religion for acts committed by its radical fringes (but then does not do the same for other religions) is a drooling imbecile not worthy of serious responses from serious people.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:34pm PT
crankster +1.

How many members of ISIS existed before George Bush Sr. started his family's crusade against the people of Iraq?

None. It took his cretin son along with his posse of war criminal handlers to light the fuse that detonated this horror.

Anita 514 and all others affected by this gleeful orgy of murder - my sincerest best wishes for some good news.

I would also like to remind the Muslim-haters in this forum that ISIS is also delighted to kill uncounted members of their own faith courtesy of their twisted interpretation of the Koran.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
Of course, the right-wing forum crazies are already exploiting this terrible tragedy to attack our president. Pathetic creeps.

This aint NO tragedy Crankaloon. It's history repeating itself. These fkers have just started their attacks on the Western Nations. Just as they did in the 7th Century.

Ya'll are so clueless as to what these fanatics intend to do. And their intentions have been in the planning long before either of the Bush's were ever POTUS.

Maybe we should follow Hildabeast's latest call to sympathize and respect em all.


How many members of ISIS existed before George Bush Sr. started his family's crusade against the people of Iraq?

None.

WRONG... Google Caliphate, ignorant one. This aint their First Rodeo.


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
I would also like to remind the Muslim-haters in this forum that ISIS is also delighted to kill uncounted members of their own faith courtesy of their twisted interpretation of the Koran.

Not twisted, just fundamental and literal.

That's the 700 year old problem.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
Well, JB, it may well come down to if only the security forces monitored
CNN and the various social networks where it became immediately obvious
that prevarication was not an option. When CNN interviewed the fellow who
was able to escape within the first few minutes he said that he saw at
least 20 bodies on the floor. Knowing that you're going to worry about
causing a few more innocent casualties in an immediate assault against only
two or three gunmen?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
Nonsensical condescension does not become you.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
El Jefe. Turn yourself off and try to one one strand of morality. Have you no decency?
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
Turn yourself off and try to one one strand of morality.
-Crankaloon

While better than what you normally have to say...
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
No Crankaloon. I am a realist that played ball against this supposed JV team several times.

They are ruthless MOFO's that could give a flying fk about ingnorant morons such as yourself. And would love to use their knives on you and all the members of your family and everyone elses family here. Fact.


This is just the beginning. And your POTUS does NOT have any one of them contained. Not one. There are hundreds if not thousands of these dooods all waiting for the call to start their horror shetfest storm just like the one in Paris tonight, where ever they may be.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
You're sick.

Ah........... not.

A new Caliphate has begun tonight. Let's see, that would make it number 17 since 632 AD.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
The Chief shows by example why the Constitution enshrines civilian control of our military.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
Time to revive the SVCC (can y'all say svick?).

Stupertopo Violent Coordinating Committee.



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The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
The Chief shows by example why the Constitution enshrines civilian control of our military

And 12 (at last count) very young ISIL DOODs showed the world tonight what happens when you underestimate the power of the 1500 year old Sharia Law Caliphate fanaticism and the will to reign terror and ruthlessly kill what you are told is your enemy.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
Go ahead and saturate your adult diapers. The United States fought Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany and faced down Soviet Russia across the globe. Actual existential threats.

ISIS looks super scary… until you actually give the slightest bit of thought to history.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
Gee Spiny, maybe you should catch up on your world history that extends past 1941.



zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
To borrow from some of the logic of the SVCC, 122 pffffft.

More people die from abortion killings everyday in the U.S. which is still less than those who die as a result of uncontrolled driving while texting.


No mas
-Manos de Piedra







Technically Cosmic, you changed it for them already

The Eagles of Death vs

The Eagles of Death Metal


EDIT:

122 and climbing
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
Don't worry, Chief. My classical education is probably considerably deeper than yours is.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
ISIS looks super scary… until you actually give the slightest bit of thought to history.

So they're just an existential threat? Tell that to the 5000 men and boys
who were executed in Sinjar (sp?) and the thousands of women who were sold
into sexual slavery. Very existential, mon ami.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
"On an Ironic sidenote
is the name of the band playing at the concert hall.
The Eagles of Death"



Stupid f*#kers. I guess at least someone got what they came for.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
What is really tragic about all this, over 10-20K Men, Women and Children Shiites and Christians have been slaughtered in the exact same manner by these MOFO's the past 12 months in both Iraq and Syria, and NOT one peep of cries for prayers and sympathy for any of them. Not ONE!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
ISIS looks super scary… until you actually give the slightest bit of thought to history.

Yeah, my grandkids will be fighting either Neonazis or Islamonazis, depending on which side prevails in Europe.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
Today's Le Monde headline: C'est La Guerre

Let's hope so.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
Only the losers of SuperTopo would turn this into some political dick-stroke.

Go f*#k yourselves.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
^^^
Heh!
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
So they're just an existential threat? Tell that to the 5000 men and boys
who were executed in Sinjar (sp?) and the thousands of women who were sold
into sexual slavery. Very existential, mon ami.

ISIS are nihilist bastards who deserve what they get.

But Chief's handwringing does not make them an existential threat.

For perspective: on the order of 200,000 Iraqis were killed as a consequence of the misguided Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld invasion.

Before that the sanctions killed 200,000 to 500,000 kids 5 years old or younger.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:11pm PT


Only the losers of SuperTopo would turn this into some political dick-stroke.

Go f*#k yourselves.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:12pm PT


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The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
So Anita... why all of sudden such cries for sympathy?

Where have you been the past 24 months or so when these same doods have slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent humans in Iraq and Syria?

Why all of a sudden all the solace?


Oh, I know. Cause now the shet is hitting closer to home. Got it.

But Chief's handwringing does not make them an existential threat.

Tell that to the 66 Million people of France tonight that are now in a complete State of Military Emergency. The first time since 1944.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
Francois Hollande: « Nous allons mener le combat, il sera impitoyable »

Anita, should he go f*#k himself aussi?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
i think we should send crankloon as a peace negotiator.

While it's easy to blame bush*, the real cause is our support of the Zionist state of Israel, and our support of corrupt Arab dictators.

*not a fan of any bush, by any stretch of the imagine.

*
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
The rest of the planet has a few statistics you might consider.

To what end?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
The Chief does not understand the difference between an emergency (a serious one) and an existential threat.

So noted.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
While it's easy to blame bush*, the real cause is our support of the Zionist state of Israel, and our support of corrupt Arab dictators.

the real cause is the death cult of the child molesting warlord!

And, it's been going on for over a thousand years.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
Child molesting warlords for over a thousand years? You mean the Catholic church?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
The Chief does not understand the difference between an emergency (a serious one) and an existential threat.

I forgot to add the tens of thousands that have been slaughtered by these ISIS fkers over the past 24 months.

How many more tens of thousands must be slaughtered Spiny, before this becomes an "existential threat".


Oh, my bad, all them tens of thousands of innocent humans that have been slaughtered over the past 24 months do not count. Right Spiny?



Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
Chief: Gee. Balls of steel. Congrats.

Let's start the history lesson by reminding you that the U.S. was DIRECTLY responsible for the coup that installed the Shah of Iran - such a sick, evil despot that the people of that nation ( perfectly justifiably) rose in revolt to overthrow him - a revolt that was hijacked by Khomeni, who promptly murdered thousands of Iranian patriots who mistakenly placed their trust in his non-existent sense of humanity.

George Bush Sr. was quite happy to allow U.S. corporations to sell nerve gas components (and weapons)to Hussein, and didn't utter a word of protest when Sadaam used it on his own people, as well as against Iranians - in direct violation of just about every humanitarian treaty ever written.

This was the same (Vice) Prez who was up to his ears in the Iran-Contra scandal, where weapons were sold to Khomeni to finance Reagan's support of the Contras.

His evil, cowardly, and pathologically stupid son (along with his equally culpable co-defendants) DESTROYED Iraq, and instead of smothering that nation with foreign aid, moved troops in to do ...what? Rebuild the place? Establish a representative government?

The are a lot of people in the Middle East who are royally pissed off with the U.S. these days, and with good reason. Unfortunately, the sickest, most evil of these end up joining ISIS, and as I have previously mentioned, they are more than happy to murder countless innocent Muslims (as well as Westerners) to advance their evil agenda.

Some problems don't have solutions, but I stand by these and earlier remarks about the contributions of the Bush family to this ongoing nightmare.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
Taking heed of Jim Brennan's notes on statistical information and anita's insights, how many on this thread have gotten rocks off [pun] so far.

If you're shy, PM Mr. Brennan who will accumulate the numbers for us.

I will state that I have not.

Again statistically, how many of the attackers have been identified so far?

Is any organization or gang actually claiming responsibility?

I'm coming [pun] up with nulls.





pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
F*#ked up!
Totally madness
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
Gee Stewart, you are so short minded. Typical for a spoiled ignorant liberal ideologically inclined American loon.


The Big Picture...Caliphate, big guy. Look it up and how it all has gone down. Been happening since 620 or so AD. 16 of em actually.

These dudes, regardless what they are called, have been at this shet for a longass time. Like I posted earlier, this aint their first rodeo by any means.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
Crankloon, you know nothing about me. Quit making assumptions.

btw, you get the snowplow down yet?

F*#king loser.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
Do you know anything about Muslim "Conquering" History, Crankaloon?? Anything?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
El Jefe, ever tragedy, domestic or foreign, you jump on like an addict jumps on crack cocaine. You lack a basic sense of common decency
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
Exactly what do mining catastrophies have to do with coordinated planning concerning nation / tribe self interest ?

Gee whiz Jim, I know you're smarter than that, but thanks for being my straight man.

Mining (and exposing miners to death in a negligent manner) was certainly justified as in the national interest. As to tribes, I'm assuming that, though reluctantly, native Americans were considered part of the nation.

So in the end you have a bunch of folks causing the deaths of a bunch of other folks under the guise of pursuing their own righteous [in their minds] interests.

Eh?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
ever tragedy...


Where the fk have you been the past 24 months Crankster? Where? Seriously???

This shet is a daily affair in Northern Iraq and Syria. Has been for the past 24 months. Not a tragedy there for ya. Oh, those lives don't matter according to you. Forgot.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
"This shet is a daily affair in Northern Iraq and Syria. Has been for the past 24 months. Not a tragedy there for ya."

Which would not have happened, were it not for the Cheney-Bush administration — Colin Powell very much included — lying their way into a war that created precisely the power vacuum that ISIS subsequently filled.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 13, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
I have lived and worked in France. My heart goes out to those people affected.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
So the first "Bad Guy" involved in this incident to be detained by French officials just less than an hour ago tells em he and the rest of doooods carrying out this attack are, well, you guessed it, members of that JV Team known as ISIS. AND, that they are ALL from Syria and they have just begun to reign terror on the West.

Pretty amazing how such a low ranked bunch of "hoodlums" (JV team) can carry out such a well coordinated effort in one of the worlds most secure cities.

of course The Cheif wants to blame obama. guess what, obama, not unlike any other politician is a liar. surprised? you do remember mission accomplished right? shrub said that, remember?

but really, you have said that you were part of black hawk down, the biggest f*#king military failure of recent times. so while we stupid f*#king taxpayers appreciate your sacrifice, you have demonstrated how incompetent you are so stop being a f*#king pretender. you have demonstrated your incompetence. tell us what you learned and dont know, maybe we will then listen, you stupid little sack of sanctimonious sh#t.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
Which would not have happened, were it not for the Cheney-Bush administration

Really?

Ever hear of the Iraq(Shiite)-Iran(Sunni) war before both those loons were ever in power.

How about the PLO. Or the Muslim Brotherhood. Or the SLM massacring/ethnic cleansing of 100's of 1000's of NON Muslims that has been going on in Darfur for the past 22 or so years.

I guess those are all Bush and Cheney's fault as well.

STFU already Spiny with your political based bullshet.


16 Caliphates globally since 620 AD.

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
chief,

shut up and take orders. thats your role in life, and we thank you for it.

stop thinking. pretending any recently elected official could do better is fantasy.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
Hopefully, the leaders of western countries are giving pause to the power dynamics of this. The purpose is to provoke a response.

When 911 happened, I feared what we would do as a response, and so posted. What we got was Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is easy to start throwing around the "nuke 'em" rhetoric, and lesser minds will.

Lesser minds will also enact a "blame game" of whoever their political opponents are.

Watch what the candidates do, particularly the ones that don't think there is a world offshore, and if there is, there is no need to deal with it beyond sending money to Israel. The reaction to this act might be quite telling.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
Stewart +1
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
BHO and Hillary pulled out and left a vacuum in Iraq, then Hillary actively promoted the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya and Egypt. Then they threw the only stabilizing and effective force in the region, (The Kurds)under the bus

Plenty of historical blame to go around, but they certainly fanned the flames with their stupidity.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Nature -1


Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
STFU already Spiny with your political based bullshet.

So says the single ST poster more likely than any other to drag politics into an issue.

Pot, kettle, etc.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:15pm PT

BHO and Hillary pulled out ...

So it wasn't the going in, but rather the pulling out, eh? What if Cheney had used a rubber when he was fukking with the lives of U.S. military men/women?

Any truth to the statement that Cheney is a prime candidate for the first retroactive aborton?




Supreme Court takes up major challenge to abortion restrictions


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-takes-up-major-challenge-to-abortion-restrictions/2015/11/13/8305651a-894b-11e5-9a07-453018f9a0ec_story.html
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
drag politics into an issue.

Post anywhere SPINY where I once indicated anything about politics in this thread other than the fact that the POTUS has failed to take these doods seriously (as you so willing haven't either, dah) for the past 24 or so months.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:18pm PT
this f*#king thread demonstrates the f*#king stupidity of american voters and amplifies why Trump, Carson and Clinton are our choices.

instead of thinking, and being analytical, the thread quickly evolved to blame and stupidity. no wonders our politicians do so well. this thread is the microcosm of america which is quite sickening.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
hey chief,

stick to something you have some inspiration, like fishing.

otherwise your a f*#k.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
instead of thinking, and being analytical

How many more tens of thousands must needlessly die in order to analyze that these ISIS/ISIL fkers need to have their shet terminated "Hackeye"? Seriously?
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
instead of thinking, and being analytical, the thread quickly evolved to blame and stupidity. no wonders our politicians do so well. this thread is the microcosm of america which is quite sickening.


Right, except I'm not so sure how much of a microcosm this thread is.

Very few (but a few) take any of this ranting here seriously, you know.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
BHO and Hillary pulled out and left a vacuum in Iraq

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Which agreement Obama carried out.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
And Obama could have rescinded that agreement as his JCOS, "In Country" Generals and SEC DEF indicated repeatedly that he should have due to the instability still occurring in Iraq. But he totally ignored their advice.

What ever.... carry on Loons.


Mark my words, this shet has just begun. Enjoy your weekend.
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
we are so mean
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
Getting out of Iraq was the key issue on which Obama was elected. The Chief would have had the CoC continue that ill-advised war in the face of what was by that point immense opposition by the citizens of the United States.

Again, this is why we have civilian control of the military, and why we have a rigid chain of command. So that we can tell people like the Chief to STFU.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
If someone was killing your neighbors what would you do? If someone was killing your family what would you do?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
Kill as many innocents as possible. Preferably innocents from a country that had nothing to do with the aggressors. That's the answer, right?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
Again, this is why we have civilian control of the military, and why we have a rigid chain of command. So that we can tell people like the Chief to STFU.

Oh, Spiny, you're so deeeeep! Deeep in the chicken sh#t.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
Getting out of Iraq was the key issue on which Obama was elected.

As was Afghanistan and of late, he has changed his mind on ejecting out of there. He extended our stay with over 10-15k Combat Troops there through 2017 now. Gee, I wonder why?


Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
Yes, Reilly, I know. Fascism would be so much easier. If only the military were running things. Like in Burma.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:32pm PT
Spiny,
If you are referring to my post that is a pretty disturbing plan. Also, you didn't answer my question.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
Actually, Q, I did. Maybe an oblique answer is too hard for you to parse?

The point being, if you're going to retaliate with lethal force, you'd better be damned sure that you are focusing the lethality on the perpetrators, and not accidentally turning into the perpetrators.

Which transformation is, in fact, the specific goal that motivates terror attacks like the one in Paris today. It's not the 120 victims that they are after. It's the self-inflicted auto-immune response in the aftermath — that is the strategic goal.

The preposterously inept US response to the 9/11 attacks (invading Iraq, letting Bin Laden escape, creating DHS and the TSA, etc.) is a textbook example.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
Chief: The Iran-Iraq war took place during the Reagan administration, and Reagan was a drooling, albeit vicious, nitwit on the best day of his life. Bush Sr. was VP (and former head of the CIA, just like Putin & the KGB). Reagan couldn't organize a church bake sale - Bush ran the show.

Under the Reagan administration, as previously stated, the U.S. had no problem supplying Hussein with nerve gas components and weapons to murder Iraqi civilians, AND Iranian troops - you remember Iran - the nation that was subjected to a demonic dictatorship by the Shah, courtesy of a U.S.- sponsored coup that eventually led to a perfectly justifiable revolution that was hijacked by Ayatollah Khomeni, who promptly murdered all of the true patriots who fought beside him in the mistaken belief that they were going to end up living in a free nation.

Also, I congratulate you for your ability to completely ignore Iran-Contra. No matter, although it was arguably the most spectacular act of political treason in U.S. history.

The U.S. continues to prop up the Saudi Arabian Royal family, along with the Bin Laden clan, by supplying these despots with the means to routinely murder any Saudis who dare to speak up in the name of freedom. This oasis of evil has even been credibly linked to ISIS.

Spare me your crap about caliphates. We're talking ISIS here, and they make even their allies seem like boy scouts by comparison. The U.S. is up to their eyebrows in responsibility for the creation of these monsters.

You're not the only vet on this forum, and it sure doesn't seem to me that others who have served the U.S. in uniform have lost the capacity for critical thought. Maybe you should talk to some of them - they might even be able to help you reason like a human being instead of a brain-dead robot.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Spare me your crap about caliphates. We're talking ISIS here...

No shet Shewart!

Wtf do you think ISIS's premise is all about? What?

Allow me:

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (2014–present)
Main article: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Map of ISIL's claimed Caliphate at its extent in May 2015

The group Al Qaeda in Iraq formed as an affiliate of the al Qaeda network of Islamist militants during the Iraq War. The group eventually expanded into Syria and rose to prominence as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) during the Syrian Civil War. In the summer of 2014, the group launched an offensive in northern Iraq, seizing the city of Mosul. The group declared itself a caliphate under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who took the name and title of Caliph Ibrahim, and renamed itself as the "Islamic State".[37][38] ISIL's claim to be the highest authority of Muslims has not been widely recognized beyond the territory it controls with 10 million people,[39] and the group has been at war with armed forces including the Iraqi Army, the Syrian Army, the Free Syrian Army, Jabhat al-Nusra, and the Kurdish Peshmerga and People's Protection Units (YPG) along with a 60 nation coalition in its efforts to establish a de facto state on Iraqi and Syrian territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate


They have declared the modern caliphate. Period.

Keep posting Stewart. Your ignorance keep shining bright.


Norton

Social climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
what a dumb ass
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
If Stewart is right, then ISIS had every right in the world to murder all those people in France.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
Norton

Social climber

Nov 13, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
what a dumb ass



So says the totally insecure nutjob that packs a loaded gun 24/7 to protect himself.

Perfect, Norton.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:43pm PT
I feel that ISIS is simply misunderstood..Why all the hate..?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
If Stewart is right, then ISIS had every right in the world to murder all those people in France.

Only if you can't hold more than one relatively simple thought in your mind at once.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
Which obviously you are incapable of doing, Spiny. Thanks for reinforcing that.

Ciao.....
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
I have a feral hog problem. If I don't shoot them I have more hogs. When I shoot them I keep the numbers in check. They get skittish and harder to find but always there.

Not sure what this story means, just trying to think through the situation at my level.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
Spiny, I'm going back to reading that fascist rag Le Monde, in French, bien sur.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
Meaning...we'll deal with this st for generations if we(and the rest of the world) don't put this sht to rest.

Sounded better when Adolph said it. I'm interested in what your "Final Solution" looks like.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
You can bet there will be a final solution in Europe.

Neonazis or Islamonazis, that train has already left the station.

The only question is who will survive.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:54pm PT
Oh, look. It's getting stupid out.

Cue the apocalypse.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
Finally? Answer: with the Nuremburg Tribunals and the Marshall Plan.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 13, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
Has anyone else here noted the massive influx of Muslims into Central Europe? I was in Munich a little over a year ago, and my hotel was swarming with burka clad females, each surrounded by a pack of little potential fanatics. The Merkel government seems to have a very muted response; maybe she should "listen up" to what's happening in France? Hungary and Austria are responding by building fences to keep the hordes out, and divert them to Germany.

Over 50 years ago, I recall the problem in France came from "Moroccans and Algerians" committing acts of terrorism, failing at that time to call them Fundamentalist Muslim Terrorists. This isn't a Bush-Cheney phenomenon, not a Carter or Reagan problem, but a very basic fact that Islam seeks domination through "conversion by the sword," in which they have plenty of history in attempting establishment of the Caliphate. At some point, Europe must again unite and deport all the MFs back to herding camels and fukking goats in the deserts of North Africa.

Does anyone have sufficient political will and a spine to back it up in order to stop what is truly an invasion against our Western European based culture? It seems that the present resident of the WH on Pennsylvania Avenue lacks the will to do so... Sad but true.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Over 50 years ago, I recall the problem in France came from "Moroccans and Algerians" committing acts of terrorism…

I'm sure that happened in a total vacuum.

…failing at that time to call them Fundamentalist Muslim Terrorists.

Ibid.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:07pm PT
Spiny, you smarmy ignoramus, you ever been in un banlieue? You even know
what one is?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
Brokedown..what ya got against goats...?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
Several of my immediate relatives and many of my friends live in Paris. I've not had the chance to visit in over 15 years, sadly.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
Spineless one--it certainly evoked a response in France, when the Legion Etranger was sent to deal with the problem. That's the proper name for Foreign Legion.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Even those who try to avoid violence are likely to find the utterly clear moral certainty associated with rage following events like this.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
Not if, but when, military force is used against these human bombers and self styled Islamic heroes, their mantra would be best stated by some of the guys I served with: "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out."

Of course, it was the Satanic Rock Concert that set them off this time; the girls weren't veiled or wearing Burkas, short skits, and probably all drinking alcohol. Blasphemous behavior in the eyes of Allah, of course.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
I can only hope that any French retaliation for today's crimes actually hits the correct targets. The US response to 9/11 provides a superb example of what not to do when consumed by moral "certainty".
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
Hey Brokendown, the 13th Demi Brigade is on alert and standing by for full deployment to unknown targets in the "region" from an email I just received from a shipmate still in the know.

Appears the President of France has had enough and is on the rampage after seeing for himself the aftermath of the slaughter in the Concert Hall.

We are at War without Pity!
François Hollande 3 hours ago

This is going to get interesting really really fast. The 13th Demi of the FFL does NOT fk around when given the order to go kick some azz.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:33pm PT
Chaz: You ignorant sparrowfart. What on earth gave you the idea that I felt that ISIS had the right to kill ANYONE? What I repeatedly attempted to point out was that the U.S. has royally screwed up the entire Mid-East, and has done 100% of nothing to prevent the kind of alienation in that part of the world that attracts people to murder cults like ISIS.

And you, Chief - I guess you are a brain-damaged robot. You asserted that caliphates have been around since 620AD. Perhaps you could explain what ISIS has been doing since back then... I had the impression that they crawled out of the shadows in the 21st century (AD).

Anyone with an atom of decency in their souls is appalled, disgusted, and enraged that these verminous murderers are members of the same species as the rest of us.

Am I making myself clear?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
Am I making myself clear?

Nope. You're a total moron.


You asserted that caliphates have been around since 620AD. Perhaps you could explain what ISIS has been doing since back then...

Do you even know what a "caliphate" is? Apparently not.

The term caliph (/ˈkeɪlɪf, ˈkælɪf/), derives from the Arabic word khalīfah (خَليفة, About this sound pronunciation (help·info)), which means "successor", "steward", or "deputy" and has traditionally been considered a shortening of either the term khalifat Allah ("successor to God") or khalifat rasul Allah ("successor of the messenger of God]"). However, studies of pre-Islamic texts suggest that the original meaning of the phrase was "successor selected by God."


Keep trying, stews.


Oh, btw, these ISIS doods have NOTHING to do with GWB or Cheney. Nothing.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant declared its governmental structure a 'caliphate' on June 29, 2014 after taking control of large swathes of territory in Syria (which for a prolonged period of time comprised over 50% of that country) and Iraq. Nevertheless, it is known by much of the Muslim world and Muslim scholars to be a illegitimate caliphate within the basis of Islam.

ISIS, the group, was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
Always ask....

Cui Bono?

If the truth were is was some "Muslim Caliphate" that apparently rose out of pure religious angst. Would it make sense for them to poke various superpowers throughout the world? No.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
Cosmic...Step away from the organ grinder and quit dancing with your monkey...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
Stewart writes:

"...the U.S. has royally screwed up the entire Mid-East, and has done 100% of nothing to prevent the kind of alienation in that part of the world that attracts people to murder cults like ISIS."




So any reasonable person would naturally respond by murdering ten dozen innocent French people in Paris. I got it the first time.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
Would it make sense for them to poke various superpowers throughout the world? No.

Like downing a Russian Metrojet Airliner killing 224 onboard over the Sinai Desert, with a bomb?

Russian plane crash: ISIS chatter supports bomb theory, officials say
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/middleeast/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
So any reasonable person would naturally respond by murdering ten dozen innocent French people in Paris. I got it the first time.

So you misread him the first time and then compounded the error.

Congratulations, you need remedial reading lessons. Or are you just intellectually dishonest?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
Just this morning... Oh the Ironeeee!!!


[Click to View YouTube Video]

Yeah Big Guy, you got em all contained alright. Don't think that the French believe you this morning after. Anyone that may think so, is delusional at best.

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
Has anyone mentioned that the French President has closed the borders? He's locking the barn door after the horses got away. It'll be the same for us soon enough.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
No shet LOONSTAR. I lived in Neuilly-sur-Seine for over 20 months. You do know where that is do you knot, LOONSTAR.


Hey Kris, he has also indirectly declared war on ISIS.


We are at War without Pity!
François Hollande 3 hours ago


10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:11pm PT

Has anyone mentioned that the French President has closed the borders? He's locking the barn door after the horses got away. It'll be the same for us soon enough.

You are unfortunately correct, Kris.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
Cosmic-Maybe I should go into goat ranching? ;)
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
On a big roadtrip right now. Sitting in Page Arizona.. MY basic thought is..here we go again..society will change and overreact again.

In this case a few hundred people die and everyone wants to go to war again and kill thousands.

Cures worse than the problem.

Reactions ISIS is trying to provoke..

I'm no fan of doing what your enemy is working it's ass off to get you to do.

Oh well ISIS is smart just like AlQuaida was..

Push our buttons and we will dance exactly the way they want us too.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
On a big roadtrip right now. Sitting in Page Arizona.. MY basic thought is..here we go again..society will change and overreact again.

In this case a few hundred people die and everyone wants to go to war again and kill thousands.

Cures worse than the problem.

Reactions ISIS is trying to provoke..

I'm no fan of doing what your enemy is working it's ass off to get you to do.

Oh well ISIS is smart just like AlQuaida was..

Push our buttons and we will dance exactly the way they want us too.

Make us destroy ourselves better than they ever could.

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
Just this morning... Oh the Ironeeee!!!

Obama specified, quite carefully, what he was talking about: holding and controlling territory.

He was not talking about the ability to tell half a dozen shooters to perform a massacre in Paris. It would be helpful if you would try to hold your attention on what other people are saying for more than three seconds.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
In this case a few hundred people die and everyone wants to go to war again and kill thousands.

Another one that does not believe that the over 32K innocent lives that have been slaughtered over the past 24 months at the hands of ISIS, matter.

Wonderful.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
A bit more, for perspective.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
^^^^^WTF does that have to do with ISIS and the ongoing slaughter that have masterminded and conducted over the past 24 months, Spineless? What?

Hey Spineless, put your hearing aids in would ya!

From the start, our goal was to first contain, and WE HAVE CONTAINED THEM!
POTUS Obama Min 1:10


[Click to View YouTube Video]



Again, I do not think the people of France believe that this morning after.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
Anyone else noticed that most of the so-called refugees are males of military age? Hmmmm....
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:20pm PT
Think a little harder, Chief. I know it's challenging.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
I'm aware.. but was being understated. The ratios still apply and more importantly

Don't do what your enemy wants you to do.. ISIS wants us to come to war.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
Think a little harder, Chief. I know it's challenging.

Priceless. Simply Priceless.


Don't do what your enemy wants you to do.. ISIS wants us to come to war.

Instead you turn your head in complete denial of the horror and allow "your enemy" to continue slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent human beings.

Got it.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:31pm PT
FWIW here's France 24's live stream.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
Interesting exchange between the leading Repugnicrat candidate and the French Embassador.

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
Instead you turn your head in complete denial of the horror and allow "your enemy" to continue slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent human beings.

Was Chief comparably horrified when the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the deaths of between 200,000 and 500,000 children age five or younger? Or in the ensuing Bush-led invasion that lead to the violent deaths of — at a bare minimum — 170,000 more civilians?

And no, I'm not turning my head or in denial. I support military action against ISIS — though Chief's reading comprehension is poor enough that he probably missed that.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
Was Chief comparably horrified when the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the deaths of between 200,000 and 500,000 children age five or younger
Source


And were these the unanimously approved UN Sanctions (Resolutions 661 and 687) stemming from Iraq's slaughtering invasion of Kuwait in Aug of 90?


Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimates_of_deaths_due_to_sanctions
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
Mr Norman,

How many Iraqi soldiers died because of US-led sanctions against Iraq?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:57pm PT
No one really knows how many deaths were attributed to Hussien's decision to invade Kuwait and the ensuing UN Sanctions in response.

Hussien NOT the US are at fault. But then that is how you libs roll. It's the US's fault that Hussein chose to INVADE KUWAIT.

Estimates of deaths due to sanctions

Estimates of excess deaths during the sanctions vary widely, use different methodologies and cover different time-frames.[31][38][39] Some estimates include (some of them include effects of the Gulf War in the estimate):

Mohamed M. Ali, John Blacker, and Gareth Jones estimate between 400,000 and 500,000 excess under-5 deaths.[40]
UNICEF: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] [c]hildren under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago." (As is customary, this report was based on a survey conducted in cooperation with the Iraqi government and by local authorities in the provinces not controlled by the Iraqi government)[41]
Former U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998.[42]
"Probably ... 170,000 children", Project on Defense Alternatives, "The Wages of War", 20 October 2003[43]
350,000 excess deaths among children "even using conservative estimates", Slate Explainer, "Are 1 Million Children Dying in Iraq?", 9. October 2001.[44]
Economist Michael Spagat: "very likely to be [less] than half a million children" because estimation efforts are unable to isolate the effects of sanctions alone due to the lack of "anything resembling a controlled experiment",[45] and "one potential explanation" for the statistics showing an increase in child mortality was that "they were not real, but rather results of manipulations by the Iraqi government."[45]
"Richard Garfield, a Columbia University nursing professor ... cited the figures 345,000-530,000 for the entire 1990-2002 period"[46] for sanctions-related excess deaths.[47]
Zaidi, S. and Fawzi, M. C. S., (1995) The Lancet British medical journal: 567,000 children.[48] A co-author (Zaidi) did a follow-up study in 1996, finding "much lower ... mortality rates ... for unknown reasons."[49]
Amatzia Baram, Director of the Center for Iraq Studies at the University of Haifa, reported almost no difference in the rate of Iraq’s population growth between 1977 and 1987 (35.8 percent) and between 1987 and 1997 (35.1 percent), suggesting that the sanctions-related death rate is lower than reported, while also stating "Every child who suffers from malnutrition as a result of the embargo is a tragedy".[50]
Reports made in 2004 and 2007 by Iraqi government do not show any increase but a stagnation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
I'm sure your Google is strong enough to find that number, Chaz.

And Chief uses Iraqi government claims to cast doubt on the more reliable estimates in the peer-reviewed literature. Presumably because he fears and rejects science. Yes, there is considerable uncertainty. No, there is not a great deal of controversy. The preponderance of evidence says that sanctions killed a lot of children. Six figures.

I would add that this happened mainly under Bill Clinton's administration. Unlike Chief, not all of my opinions are partisan.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
So Spine, are you now going to blame Bush Sr. for Hussien's choice to invade Kuwait and conduct the slaughtering of innocent Kuwaitee civilians that his soldiers administered during their time in Kuwait?

During the 7-month occupation, the forces of Saddam Hussein looted Kuwait's vast wealth and there were also reports of violations of human rights.[47] A 2005 study revealed that the Iraqi occupation had a long-term adverse impact on the health of the Kuwaiti populace.

Oh, that was all Bush Sr's fault.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
So Spine, are you now going to blame Bush Sr. for Hussien's choice to invade Kuwait and conduct the slaughtering of innocent Kuwaitee civilians that his soldiers administered during their time in Kuwait?

No.

Next spectacularly stupid question?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:07pm PT
Then why Spiney did you even bring up UN Resolution 661 as a result of Hussein's choice to invade Kuwait and brutalize 1000's of innocent Kuwaitee citizens for over seven months?


Next totally useless and non-attributing distraction, Spiney.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
The Chief apparently has poor short-term memory and can't remember the context of the thread a few posts above.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
Chief, we know you think you're God's gift to real Patriots...

... now stop barking out orders about why the other 9/10s of America should believe your fantasies...
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
... now stop barking out orders about why the other 9/10s of America should believe your fantasies..

Fantasies? I believe that 10/10s of France does right at this very moment. Cus to them, it aint NO fantasy. It is their reality. But you obviously do not believe that either. Typical.


I pray and hope that the horrofest that occurred in Paris does not happen here. Cus if does, 10/10's of America will wake the fk up and demand that the can of whoop azz to be unleashed. Just as they did on 9/12/2001.

Sadly, that is what may need to happen in order for spoiled clown bag Americans as yourself to realize the extent of what is truly happening in the world right now.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
Chaz: Are you even literate? At no point did I EVER say a word that a person of even average intelligence could interpret as support for the actions of ISIS. Maybe if you got off your dumb ass and actually learned something about the history of the Middle East, starting with the U.S. involvement in the installation of the Shah of Iran, culminating in the full responsibility of both of the Bush administrations for the complete destruction of Iraq, you would have at least the beginnings of an understanding of what is going on in the Mid-East. That said, two wrongs don't make a right - the murder of innocents is an atrocity, regardless of who is responsible. Why is this too complicated for you to understand?

Hey G.I. Joe - oops - Chief: Did you get one of those calendars with a new word to learn each day and Caliphate came up today? According to my dictionary, the word was actually relatively bland (until ISIS hijacked it, of course).

Speaking of how meaningless mere words can be, maybe you can take your head out of your programmer's ass long enough to ask him why a nation that has a rousing national anthem that celebrates the home of the brave and the land of the free could permit the slave trade to flourish after it was written, not to mention the near total extermination of of its Native population.

Talk is cheap, Chief. Critical thought costs more than you are apparently capable of paying.

johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
Hollande will have some heavy explaining as to why the security forces took
two hours to storm the theatre when from the get-go people inside were texting
and tweeting the ongoing horror.

True that. But then again the French Government have a history of hemming and hawing until it is too late. They will do nothing other than wring their hands until someone else steps in to save them.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
They will do nothing other than wring their hands until someone else steps in to save them.

Stay classy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
Chief, action is required and will be performed.

Your endless need to assert your "expertise" in all things related to military and terrorism reveals some serious issues that you should deal with...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:48pm PT
My point is they stood around doing nothing while people were being methodically executed.

edit: I feel compassion for the dead, wounded and their loved ones. Why did they wait until all were killed before they moved in?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:52pm PT
johntp, remember that the word 'bureaucracy' is French for prevaricate.
I wouldn't doubt that the security people wanted to go in but were over-ruled
by the politicos. There will be some heavy spin-doctoring.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
Q:
Why did they wait until all were killed before they moved in?

A: Multiple shooters with rifles who could lay down suppressing fire while the others were reloading. Also it was a sit-down venue. Difficult to maneuver.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
I wouldn't doubt that the security people wanted to go in but were over-ruled
by the politicos.

My point exactly. The French resistance were fundamental to repelling the Nazis. The French government folded like a cheap deck of cards.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 13, 2015 - 11:01pm PT
Your endless need to assert your "expertise" in all things related to military and terrorism

If you spend 24 plus years building custom homes or growing grapes and then making them into fine wines or following after mice collecting their shet to analyze what they eat, or... you would be asserting your expertise in doing so, correct TE.


I just think you're jealous TE cus you obviously have ZERO expertise in anything. Yet you come on here and pound away on that keyboard desperately attempting to make some think you are in the, know by demeaning many that do.

1/10 TE.

A: Multiple shooters with rifles who could lay down suppressing fire while the others were reloading. Also it was a sit-down venue. Difficult to maneuver.

NOT if your well versed and trained in CQ Hostage take Down Tactics which I am pretty certain that the French "Anti-Terrorist" Police are well acquainted with.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 13, 2015 - 11:13pm PT
The Chief and I are in complete agreement, for once. I was talking about the civilians in the venue.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:44am PT
Oh, btw, these ISIS doods have NOTHING to do with GWB or Cheney. Nothing.

Just so profoundly wrong it borders on a denial of both history and reality...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:05am PT
So the French president says they will be ruthless in their response. This means giving the populace a three day vacation and adding patrols in Paris. Weak! The French government has no balls.
nutstory

climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:06am PT
Joe, I'm in Paris at the moment...
Bargainhunter

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:35am PT
While I am saddened that some posting here have quickly degenerated into heaping criticism onto one another in the most self-righteous of tones, I am actually impressed with the varied viewpoints being shared and debated here. Some commentaries are unexpected and deep, others straightforward and passionate, and some of you are quite witty and funny with your sarcasm and facetious counterpoints. While this thread is about a horrific tragedy, your battling viewpoints have at times brought laughter while reading it.

It inspires me that despite the argumentative tone, there is underlying subtext of compassion and caring here, both for the victims, for justice, and how to prevent these types of crazy, senseless acts in the future.

I like Supertopo commentary very much for important news events such as this, as you all come from different backgrounds with different experience and political viewpoints; that diversity and debate is, despite the rancor, a reflection of your vibrant humanity. Carry on and thank you for sharing your viewpoints.

PS: Chief, you are getting trolled massively and people are yanking your chain here just to get you riled up. Take a break and step back, you don't have to offer a rebuttal to every moronic insult lobbed your way. People respect you here...your patriotism is admirable and your call to action is a sign of your passion and caring.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:43am PT
Stephane, glad you are safe and all our sympathies at this time.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Nov 14, 2015 - 04:23am PT
when we collectively react rather than respond, we become the bitches of al qaeda, of isis, of insert the next inevitably more horrific iteration, assuming we continue the reactive cycle, here

as the "joke" goes, a lot of muslims, upon hearing of one of these events, thinks: "please, don't let it be a muslim, please don't let it be a muslim, please don't let it be a muslim... ahhh... fucK, not again"

similarly, there are a lot of people, who after hearing about one of these [however horrific] events, thinks: "please don't just blindly lash out, please don't use this event to push draconian legislation of control that was written months and years ago, please don't use this event to push an us vs them narrative that furthers your draconian political agenda... ahhh.. fucK, not again"

just as i suspect that the number of muslims who yell out "allahu akbar" after these attacks is in a tiny minority, i suspect that it is a vocal minority of those on the "other side" whose first response is "let's nuke the motherfucKers" [before we know who the "motherfucKers" are, how the "motherfucKers" came to be, why the "motherfucKers" say they are doing this, or even what the fucKing body count is...]

but just as with the propaganda of the radical muslims: guess who gets the press?

you guessed it: the loudmouths, the know-it-alls and the tools of the state...

and if you want to see all three of those in action: just reread and consider many of the voices active in this thread.



life sucks a lot of the time.

life is brutal a lot of the time.

people suck real fucKing hard some of the time.

people are unbelievably brutal some of the time.

does that mean we have to automatically and reactively choose that path as well?



i hope someday we learn to respond rather than just react...



until then here we will remain:

as the brides of al qaeda, of isis, and of insert the next inevitably more horrific iteration, assuming we continue the reactive cycle, here
chacha

Mountain climber
Fontainebleau, FRANCE
Nov 14, 2015 - 04:28am PT
Did ISIS know that yesterday was the World Kindness Day ??
Irony...
:-(
Bargainhunter

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 05:24am PT
So article 5 of the NATO charter invokes the collective defense initiative among the 28 member countries.

ISIS now has these 28 countries, considered the world's most important military alliance, unified in collective defense against it.

Additionally, Russia has declared war against ISIS, thus NATO also has Russia on it's side in this sense (which is ironic as NATO's article 5 was originally drafted primarily to counter Soviet aggression).

In addition, there are several Middle Eastern countries which have joined in the fight against ISIS.

So, with all of this military might, would it not be fairly easily to apply continuous pressure and completely decimate ISIS?

I get that ISIS fights asymmetrically and uses guerilla warfare and terrorism thus it can be a nebulous enemy to pin to the wall, but with persistent military action both covert and overt, shouldn't ISIS soon crumble?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 14, 2015 - 05:26am PT
The Chief, whereabouts did you live in Neuilly-sur-Seine? I used to hang out near there, actually in the 16th arrondissement, went to see Paris St Germaine several times at the Parc des Princes, but never lived in Neuilly-sur-Seine or the 16th arrondissement, too bloody expensive.

I used to work in Pierrefeu-du-Var (Provençe) and Riquewihr, Alsace. Whenever I went to Paris I tended to stay in the Latin Quarter (still expensive though).

Got to Fontainbleau to boulder a couple of times. Have you been there?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 06:28am PT
Fact: The World is still a very dangerous place, increasingly so since the latest rebirth of Radical Islam.

Fact: This sort of terrorism is COMING YOUR WAY SOON! Thanks to the combination of illegal immigration and Guest Refugees (?!). Due to this enormous threat to the unsuspecting populations of the Western democracies, we all need to close our borders to unwanted immigrants. Period! The Radical Muslims of ISIS, or ISIL. are responsible for this, not any politico from France, Germany, Canada, or the U.S.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 14, 2015 - 06:56am PT
Well Brokedown, I beg to differ. If the politicos are inviting in large numbers of immigrants that include unknown numbers of Islamic jihadists, the responsibility of these attacks rest squarely on their shoulders. Start by firing the wishy washy progressives.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:02am PT
This terrible attack by ISIS only reinforces the need to have intelligent, experienced people in office, not amateus.

The topic will be front and center tonight in Iowa. I'll be interested to see how our next president addresses the issue.

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/14/455969570/paris-attacks-to-play-big-role-in-tonights-democratic-debate

In the meantime, Vive la France.
Rock!...oopsie.

Trad climber
the pitch above you
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:09am PT
So, with all of this military might, would it not be fairly easily to apply continuous pressure and completely decimate ISIS?

Yeah, using the historical definition of "decimate" I think you are right. We can certainly take out 1 in 10, and probably do it pretty quickly and cleanly. I think the collateral damage to achieve the expanded definition of "decimate" will be pretty ugly and take a very long time.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:41am PT
Rick-

I'm not excusing the present political non-leadership for the creation of ISIS,ISIL, or whatever the politurdcians want to call them; I am saying that they were NOT brought into being by actions of politicians--past or present--but by their OWN flaming fanatic a$$hole Mullahs. As a veteran of the U.S. Army, I have an awful feeling that we're about to be "visited" by some of these bastards that B.O. has "invited" in as "refugees!"
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:43am PT
They also no doubt already digging tunnels under the Canadian border.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:45am PT
"...you guessed it: the loudmouths, the know-it-alls and the tools of the state...and if you want to see all three of those in action: just reread and consider many of the voices active in this thread."


" I have an awful feeling that we're about to be "visited" by some of these bastards that B.O. has "invited" in as "refugees!"
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:11am PT
http://xbradtc.com/2015/11/14/darkness-in-the-city-of-light/
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:17am PT
Again the madness manifests it's evil intent. The City of Light attacked by darkness. Heart ache and hair pulling ensue. If only we can look deeper and not go off like half cocked drunken cowboys this time. The intrinsic heart of the issue is not Muslims or Islam but radicalized extremism of all stripes. It does't matter if it is a christian, hebrew, hindu or muslin gang It's like a 32 flavor Baskin Robbins of hate filled extremism out there and they are all toxic waste. Right here in America we have mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, scripture frothing politicos denouncing the dreaded "Sharia Law" while simultaneously demanding that their version of "God's Law" be imposed in America.

Who's God?

May the Western states respond in the spirit of Jesus and not just invoke the name for justifying vengeance.

My deepest condolences to the fallen, their family and friends.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:22am PT
All religions have misused force at one time or another, usually in direct conflict with their basic theological premises.

Only one religion has at its core forcible subjugation of the other.

Only one religion's very name means,

submission.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:27am PT
You know nothing of history. You are blinded by bias.


There are real problems facing this planet, problems that will need to be addressed by humanity as a collective. When sea levels rise all faiths drown. When the honey bee populations crash all faiths starve. Its time for the the chains of dogma to be shed.
Its time for humanity to quit looking at what divides us and focus on what connects us.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:28am PT
If you dump the blame for this in the lap of GWB, I can go along with that. He was and always will be a willing tool for others, particularly the ones in control in the right wing.

He was/is too stupid to rule/reign/preside.

His father was soft on Hussein in GW I & he was not nearly the hardass he needed to be in GWII, which was dumped in Obama's lap on arriving in the Oval Office.

Now Jeb Bush wants a piece of the legacy. And stuff.

F*#k the Republicans. F*#k their arrogance.

I pity the French, but it will spread to our own shores because the germ of Islam seems to require blood on occasion. But so does Christianity. And so does Communism.

It's all fine if everyone is one on one. Life seems tolerable. But put them into packages, sects, cults, nations, classes, and any social division you name, tribes, clans, families, we humans tend to be shitty with others based on the differences, ignoring the samenesses.

Shame on us all. Get used to being human. I haven't any solutions except that we always must try on that one on one level to be the best we can be.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:32am PT
When you declare war on a group of people, then they will fight back

The terrorism will never end until we stop our war against terrorism

There is no easy answer

But an over reaction is the worst response

and the cowardly whine of them coming here and getting us is the most pathetic thing I've heard in long time, except from politicians with an agenda of misusing our civil liberties

127 died from lung cancer caused by cigarettes the same day

we need perspective.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:34am PT
Kerry's on TV right now talking about doing sh#t that should have been done three years ago.

Obama's plan was to do as little as possible - mainly talk - and run out the clock until January after next. Now they're talking about getting busy.
Banquo

climber
Amerricka
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:40am PT
Last night Ann Coulter tweets:

They can wait if they like until next November for the actual balloting, but Donald Trump was elected president tonight.

She seems to think ISIS is doing a great job.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:44am PT
In a stroke of brilliance, I figured out how to solve this entire problem.

Let's all convert to radical islam.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:47am PT
berlindx

Trad climber
Sacramento, Ca
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:49am PT
So terrible to hear about. How could something like this happen? Why do bad things happen to good people?

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:52am PT
Stewart,
I don't think that current or recent politicians in the West are the root cause for what is happening in the Middle East.
The Islamic world has been at war within itself for centuries with Sunni and Shia.
Add cultural differences and stir (The ME is the crossroads of all human migration).
Now the Islamic world is at war within itself about how to come to terms with a modern world rapidly threatening it's traditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

The many Western intrusions since WW I have given rationalizations to the violence of the extremists, but the extremists are at war with every non-Muslim country that borders a Muslim country.

Only the Muslim world can fix the pathologies within itself, and I pray success to the vast majority of good and decent Muslims.

At this point, both in Europe and here, profiling people for the security of all will increase.
The backlash of progressive immigration policies in Europe will not be pretty, nor irrational.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:53am PT
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:58am PT
http://www.infowars.com/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-as-a-tool-to-overthrow-syrias-president-assad/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

If true, they are not doing a very good job.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:03am PT
Excuse my misinterpretation Brokedownclimber.

Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:20am PT


Jody

climber
Occupied Territory

Nov 14, 2015 - 09:17am PT
Islam is a peaceful religion.

True Jody

But radical Islam is not
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:27am PT
In an ideal world, we could all live together peacefully! This is a recurring theme here on S-T, but it isn't an ideal world.
So...the Pacifists here, the anti gun crowd here, the open borders crowd here can all be lumped together in one word...









































Victims.














philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:38am PT
Brokedown if I as someone who fits your profile am a victim of anything it is due to the Banksters and Vulture CapitLists of our current Corporatocracy and not fringe elements from distant countries.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:44am PT
How many more tens of thousands must be slaughtered Spiny, before this becomes an "existential threat".

Actually, it would be measured in hundreds of millions.

These terrorists are not, and will not be, an existential threat to the US


Although when the undereducated start throwing around terms they don't understand, you might think so.

We do not seriously need to start learning arabic or any other middle eastern language. We do not need to start considering conversion to radical Islam.

Even if the radicals got a bomb, it would not threaten the EXISTENCE of the US.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:45am PT
BTW, I am amazed this morning at how the Chief has altered his posts to fit the emerging narrative. Wow, was he wrong.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:48am PT
Islam is a peaceful religion.

Peaceful like Christianity, Jody?
WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:52am PT
There's no such thing as non-violence!

It's impossible to enact and has never ever been done nor will it ever be done ever ......
Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:53am PT
In an ideal world, we could all live together peacefully! This is a recurring theme here on S-T, but it isn't an ideal world.
So...the Pacifists here, the anti gun crowd here, the open borders crowd here can all be lumped together in one word...

yes, it really is so easy to lump and vaguely categorize people isn't it?

makes one feel superior, as if they have it all figured out

but real life doesn't work anything like that

take the "anti gun crowd here" - you mean one or two people who posted that ALL
guns should banned in the US? pretty darn small "crowd", compared to the large
majority who favor doing something, like background checks, to give the FBI and police most weapons to track and possibly mitigate mass slaughter

take the "open borders crowd" - who is this person on ST who, not a crowd, who has posted that our borders should be open?

and who is this supertopo "pacifist" who favors what, living in peace, the horror?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:05am PT
Philo-

I don't disagree w/r to all of us being the victims of corporatism and vulture capitalists, all spawned by the mother of it all: the Federal Reserve Banking System (definitely not "Federal," and no, there aren't any "Reserves," and it's definitely a criminal enterprise that has stolen the wealth of all hard working Americans through devaluation of our once great currency).

But this thread was started to show our concern and support of the French victims of an Islamic terror attack. I merely point out something I had drummed into my once Liberal skull by U.S. Army Drill Sergeants. A dead terrorist is a GOOD terrorist. Period. Others can wave their beliefs regarding the evils of Christianity versus Islam, but Christ NEVER demanded conversion by the sword.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:18am PT
but Christ NEVER demanded conversion by the sword.

Probably want to rethink that one...
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:18am PT
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
Matthew 10:34 thru 35

Seems a bit whack if you ask me.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:18am PT
Brokedown. Re your mention:
But this thread was started to show our concern and support of the French victims of an Islamic terror attack.

This thread started as a news report on the Paris attacks & quickly turned into a number of rants about terrorists. I appreciate a very-few well-meaning folks did post condolences & support foe France on it, but they were far-outnumbered by the ranters.

However, I did start a Sympathies & Best Wishes to France thread for those that didn't wish to rant about terrorists. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2716989&tn=0#msg2716989
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:42am PT
Only the Muslim world can fix the pathologies within itself
Not true
The non-muslum world has the technology to rid the world of that pathology

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 10:58am PT
Could it be that this time, after Paris, fewer folks here and elsewhere - including our leaders - are mouthing "this has nothing to do with Islam"?

Who here still thinks this has nothing to do with Islam?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:03am PT
So how old is the earth, Jody?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:10am PT
Fritz-

I too mourn the loss of many innocent lives, but there must also be some form of retribution to discourage similar "me too" attempts as follow up actions. The perps in this case, flaunt their true colors, and the old soldier within me wants to respond in kind for these needless and cruel actions. The enemy has declared itself to be Militant Islam, and I consider President Hollande to be correct with his response: no mercy given. Now the countries of Western Europe must come to their collective senses and exclude the hordes of Islamists flooding their countries. Germany is on the verge of becoming unrecognizable, with Burka robed females everywhere, polluting the environs of Munich and other major cities. I was pushed out of an elevator by a horde of them at the Holiday Inn Central last year. Not physically, but simply by mob action pushing in ahead of me. I was disgusted by it.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:11am PT
Among my buddies that have pulled several tours in special forces and intel in Iraq and Afghanistan, I can't count one that has come back encouraged.

The factions are ruthless, the society is fractured and our partner forces are totally untrustworthy.

In regards to Syria- I've read numerous post here, how Obama is feckless and has no strategy, but I never hear of any reasonable option for a reliable partner force in Syria. The most reliable element of their society would be educated, secular dissidents- Are there dozens, hundreds, are they already dead or out of the country? Do we give arms to radicals opposed to Isis, only to have those weapons pointed at us some day?

Without overwhelming forces on the ground and a full value war, ending in regime change, there is no US strategy that will eliminate Isis. Even then; with all the elements in place to train partner forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, the results have been dismal.

The ultimate demise of Isis will be self-destruction by waging Jihad on too many fronts. In time (a long time), after numerous attacks in several countries and stacks of bodies, a coalition of pissed off Nations will launch a ground war and wipe them clean. The Russians will have to force Assad into exile for this to come together. And unfortunately, for every country with minority Muslim populations- a reckoning will occur.



HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:12am PT
Jody: How come Obama isn't focusing on American on American violence? ISIL has nothing on Americans when it comes to killing Americans. It's because Americans hate freedom. I'm pretty sure Obama is a secret American.
DanaB

climber
CT
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:18am PT
Burka robed females everywhere, polluting the environs of Munich and other major cities

Good work.
John M

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:29am PT
I think the French government themselves coordinated these attacks in a complicated conspiracy.

Another person died today. Hundreds are wounded and so more will likely die. And you want to troll. Mercy
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:32am PT
Obama is a Muslim...

He is calling the shots...

The mating call of the credulous moron. :P
Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:32am PT

Self Deport
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:34am PT
A tragedy has occurred. A nation and the world mourns. Yet the usual suspects come out on The Taco to make it about themselves and spew their own brand of hate. No better than the terrorists themselves. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:36am PT
Locker-

If had been an isolated occurrence, I was willing to attribute it to rudeness. But Germans aren't that rude; French aren't that rude; Italians aren't that rude. And no--it isn't an excusable behavior by anyone.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:36am PT
It's a political act with grave implications. We should not then talk politics?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:37am PT
Now the countries of Western Europe must come to their collective senses and exclude the hordes of Islamists flooding their countries.

What do you suggest should be done about the tens of thousands of decent people who are fleeing the violence in their Islamic homelands?

How do you separate the "Islamists" from the vast number of people who are in fear for their lives, and the lives of their families, if they stay where they are?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:38am PT
"Not physically, but simply by mob action pushing in ahead of me. I was disgusted by it."...

Never been to NYC or Tokyo or Seoul.

So noted.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:48am PT
"How do you separate Islamists"?

The short answer-you don't. After enough of them are murdered by the radicals, and in conjunction with a middle east wide embargo of oil imports along with a reversal of middle eastern immigrants, you squeeze the so called moderate peace loving among them to police their own shet.

We have enough fossil fuels in this hemisphere to supply us with a determined effort in less than a decade. Western Europe can frack on a large scale and I'm sure Vladimir would love to export more.





Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:50am PT
I wouldn't call any of them Ladies. Especially with their pack of smelly kids swarming along.
John M

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:53am PT
different cultures have different ways. Have you ever been in line in front of a group of Japanese. Some of them will stand practically right in your back pocket. They are very polite, but they have a different sense of space.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:55am PT
Ghost-

I guess that it's just the 99% that are bad terrorists that give the remaining ones a bad name?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:57am PT
That didn't take much. A few religious fanatics with rifles go berzerk and the genocidal morons crawl from the gutters.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:59am PT
I guess that it's just the 99% that are bad terrorists that give the remaining ones a bad name?

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying you think that all of the tens of thousands -- probably hundreds of thousands now -- of people fleeing the violence in the Middle East and Africa are terrorists?
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
Waiting for Brokedown to call for the mass extermination of Protestants and Catholics because of the ten thousand bombings during the Troubles.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
That didn't take much. A few religious fanatics with rifles go berzerk and the genocidal morons crawl from the gutters.

Precisely my point. Instead of having an actual conversation, it turns into a troll fest at best, and a hate fest at its absolute worst.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
Ghost:
What do you suggest should be done about the tens of thousands of decent people who are fleeing the violence in their Islamic homelands?

That is a real tragedy for those innocents.
I do wonder why Muslim brothers in countries not beset by war are not opening their arms to help.
Start with Saudi Arabia and the other wealthy oil sheikdoms.
What about Iran?
What about Turkey?
What's up with that?
Is it only Western civilization's responsibility?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
What do you suggest should be done about the tens of thousands of decent people who are fleeing the violence in their Islamic homelands?

we tell them to grow some balls, we arm them, and we tell them to go back and fight for their homeland(like the Kurds are doing).
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:14pm PT
Especially with their pack of smelly kids swarming along.
Com'on Rodger...do we really have to demonize the kids now???

If my mothering skills were determined about how pristine I kept my son....well Big Fail.

I get your outrage (well some of it) but I do believe our only hope are the young people who will somehow bridge this horrific cultural divide. My son studied for a year in Europe, primarily Germany, and his group of friends was as diverse as anything I've ever seen. They embraced each other and shared in the joy that young folks have. I laughed when he returned home and visited some friends in Salt Lake City and they went to a bar. He said "Mom, the only people I saw were white".

I do firmly believe it will be up to our young people.

Susan
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
Reminder: we're having this conversation on a site which focuses on climbing in areas stolen through systematic and total or near-total genocide, orchestrated and executed by Christians.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
That is a real tragedy for those innocents.
I do wonder why Muslim brothers in countries not beset by war are not opening their arms to help.
Start with Saudi Arabia and the other wealthy oil sheikdoms

Larry,

Keep in mind that Saudi Arabia is Sunni, ISIS is Sunni, Iran is Shiite.
Saudi Arabia doesn't want a war with Iran, but I can see them using ISIS in a proxy war.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:27pm PT
When I was in 5th grade, there was a period when an 8th grader would sit behind me on the bus and mess with me. He'd flick my ear or tap me on the back of my head a few times, I'd turn around and say stop it, and he would laugh with his friends. One day I decided to ignore it, to stop giving him the reaction he wanted. That just led to him escalating. Flicking and tapping grew to slapping and harder hits while I pretended like nothing was happening. Until it crossed my threshold and I spun around and punched him in the nose. He was bleeding and crying and all his friends were mad saying they were going to kick my ass. Luckily we had just arrived at my bus stop so I could get out of it. I was suspended from school for a few days (the teacher was smirking in tacit approval of my actions when she told my mom what happened), and that bully never bothered me again.

I wonder, projecting this incident onto a national level, and without the possibility of escaping off the bus in the wake of standing up, what would happen. And I wonder whether the ignoring/denial me would be the folks from the Middle East who have been screwed by resource exploiting colonialists, or the folks in the western world today who are blissfully ignorant of generations of theft and violence abroad that have made our material comforts cheaper and our lives easier. But all this stuff does go back so much farther, gangs clashing back to the dawn of time, competing for resources and power in the name of their cave, their clan, their race, their religion, their country, whatever.

I have nothing against folks who want to believe any religion that helps them form supportive societies and enable them to cope with life. But I have everything against folks who try to impose their life views and constraints onto those around them. For this reason I support secular governments that can arbitrate the values of different cultural and religious groups to find a path where folks of various tribes can live in civilized harmony.

I do not want a world where any religious group creates laws that all must abide within their boundaries, also supported by a military. Secular governments that permit religious freedom must draw the line at beliefs that do not fundamentally support the harmonious coexistence with others who do not share the belief, and remove religious protections from all groups that remain silent in the face of violent groups claiming their acts in the name of that religion.

I oppose warmongers who don't take the time to understand what circumstances lead a group of people to follow a violent ideology, and deal with the roots of that rather than the fruits of that.

I used to believe in pacifism. I have had extended dealings with people from which I have learned that you will end up without even a cardboard box over your head if you really live that way. So I'm up for defending my sense of what civilization should be, but that is a very far cry from reactionary violence for violence in the wake of atrocities, when all the players and motives are not out on the table. Religious extremism and desire for global conversion is a piece of the puzzle from one set of players. Acting in response to that bit alone would be unlikely to reach and end state we want.

When a cam is stuck in a crack, you don't just yank or push with all your might in opposition to the rock. You take the time to see how it got that way, and try to reverse it gently and delicately. Sometimes you need force, but that's never the place to start. And if you have to hit that cam so hard you can't work with it any more, what's the point? What have you achieved? You just littered on the world. Think with the end in mind. Most human beings just want to live their lives with more happiness and less pain. When there's enough pain, they can be easily distracted by the wrong messenger, who latches onto whatever ideological framework is convenient to enlist the support of oppressed people.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
It clarifies things when someone reveals that he is an unalloyed racist.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
Susan-

The whole thing just hit me wrong; I was returning to Germany after a lapse of 49 years. I had a wonderful morning at BMW Welt, taking delivery of a new BMW X-1 for my return trip to climbing in the Dolomites. Then to be greeted nicely by the hotel management, but being affronted by an entire lobby filled with burka clad females, each with a constellation of kids swarming around. All I wanted was the opportunity to go to my room, have a shower, and relax after an overnight flight and zero sleep. Then I was treated very rudely at the elevator bank by these other "guests." Not what I was paying 130 Eu per night to experience! I tried to put it behind me, but the Muslim presence was overwhelming in the Holiday Inn Central, including the smell of Middle eastern cooking on my floor after getting off the elevator. I'd selected the central location for a reason: the Deutsches Museum was a short walk of about 10 minutes. I couldn't get out of there fast enough to my comfortable Pension in Lower Franconia, near Rothenburg/Tauber.

As a qualifier: I have several Muslim friends here in the USA, and none of them would have been this crass!
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
As a qualifier: I have several Muslim friends here in the USA…

"Some of my best friends are…"
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
Werner: that's gonna' take a loooooong time to happen! ;)
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:51pm PT
Spineless-

They were my professional colleagues, and we worked together on a daily basis.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 12:58pm PT
Brokedown continues to make the "friends" argument.
John M

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
So I'm up for defending my sense of what civilization should be, but that is a very far cry from reactionary violence for violence in the wake of atrocities, when all the players and motives are not out on the table. Religious extremism and desire for global conversion is a piece of the puzzle from one set of players. Acting in response to that bit alone would be unlikely to reach and end state we want.

+1
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
And Spineless One continues his attempts at character assassination...with nothing relevant to add to the primary thread.

Europe is in big trouble, and making smartass remarks will not change things. France has had issues going back to their North African colonies for years, with the Algerians. Germany is a hotbed of covered up violence (especially in and related to medical care for the indigent Muslims!). Several doctors and nurses have been assaulted/knifed over violating religious tenets demanded by fundamental Muslims.

My position statement: No more Syrian Refugees unless a complete background screening before they set foot on U.S. soil. No more illegal and uncontrolled immigration across any of our borders.

If you haven't seen it, and experienced it firsthand--refrain from know-it-all comments!
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:20pm PT
As Locker pointed out, Brokendown's own comments about the way some muslim kids smelled—

I wouldn't call any of them Ladies. Especially with their pack of smelly kids swarming along.

—assassinated his character more thoroughly than anything I could possibly type.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
+1 ^^
These posters have no sense of shame or decency.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
Update: An American woman, a student at California State University, Long Beach, has been identified as one of the victims of the terrorist bombing and shooting spree near Paris yesterday. Nohemi Gonzalez was studying Design in France for a semester, and was a junior at CSULB. The tragedy continues to evolve...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
^^^^ The above two (prior to Broke) have nothing germane to say about anything, ever.
They can only react with meaningless drivel.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:51pm PT
Paris Attacks: Suicide Bomber Wearing an Explosive Vest Was Blocked From Entering Soccer Stadium


Source: WSJ

PARIS—At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police.

The guard—who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir—said the attacker was discovered wearing an explosives vest when he was frisked at the entrance to the stadium about 15 minutes into the game. France was playing an exhibition against Germany inside.

While attempting to back away from security, Zouheir said, the attacker detonated the vest. Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.

A police officer confirmed the sequence, adding that police suspect the attacker aimed to detonate his vest inside the stadium in order to provoke a deadly stampede.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacker-tried-to-enter-paris-stadium-but-was-turned-away-1447520571?mod=e2tw
John M

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
Ease up people. All through history people have had difficulty accepting new comers and the new comers have had difficulty adjusting to their new society. When coming to America the Irish, the Italians, the Germans. all were hated for one reason or another. One of the most common was the smells. It took a few generations for them to assimilate. The kids are what did it.

I'm not saying this to excuse anything broke down said. I'm just saying that there is always an adjustment period.
RyanD

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
My position statement: No more Syrian Refugees unless a complete background screening before they set foot on U.S. soil. No more illegal and uncontrolled immigration across any of our borders.



Don't worry guys we'll take the refugees.

http://m.torontosun.com/2015/01/07/canada-to-accept-10000-syrian-refugees-over-next-three-years-minister

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
^^^^ The above two (prior to Broke) have nothing germane to say about anything, ever.
They can only react with meaningless drivel.

You can do better than that. We disagree. We may not even like one another. But you can do better than that.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
Locker-

You DO know that I'm always right? But no...I never commented on skin color. Under a burka with a veil in place...how was I supposed to know? But yes, the kids DID stink, the smell of the unwashed. Sort of like us after several days in Josh without a shower. Hee, hee.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 14, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
If a kid isn't grimy, smelly, dirty, black eyed, scraped and dirty finger nailed then you're doing something wrong. imHo.

Susan

Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Nov 14, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
This thread is about a bunch of people needlessly being killed in Paris. You guys want to turn it into this sh!t again!?!? WTF?!?!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
Looks like it could have been even worse!

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/german-police-check-found-car-eight-ak-47s-grenades-tnt-paris-programmed-satnav/

This guy was busted on the 5th.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 14, 2015 - 03:17pm PT

This thread is about a bunch of people needlessly being killed in Paris. You guys want to turn it into this sh!t again!?!? WTF?!?!

This thread's worm turned many, many posts ago.

Here's where the real sympathy is thanks to Fritz

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2716989/Our-sympathies-best-wishes-to-France

Susan


10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
imho, the bottom line is this. Totalitarian regimes, while brutal, provide a stable form of government. The USSR under Yeltsin was pretty chaotic. Who remembers the attempted coup?
What's ironic(to me) is that the US has supported these regimes as long as they acquiesced to our demands, i.e. Saddam was our friend, as well as the shah of Iran.
Third world societies don't know how to live under a democratic government.
If democracies do replace dictatorships, corruption is pretty common.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
NutAgain!
What you wrote at 12:27pm.

Wise words.
Time to step back and assess the big picture,
and I say that intentionally vague.
If ya stick yer finger in that oven, it gets burned.
If ya ignore that oven, yer backside gets burned.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 04:09pm PT
I just want to say right now just how encouraging it is to see so many more people drawing the distinction between Islamism and Islam.

And between Islamist and Muslim.

The difference between now and even just last year is remarkable.

Thank you Maajid Nawaz.
Thank you social media.

.....

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWNv97yq4Fc

And thank you Azra Nomani.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
^^^^ Right on.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
Meanwhile, acording to the Brady Campaign to prevent gun violence, right here in the gud ol USA...

Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)

Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.

Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:

5 are murdered
2 kill themselves.
Every day, 41 children and teens are shot and survive:

31 shot in an assault
1 survives a suicide attempt
8 are shot unintentionally
Asking this simple question is an important step every parent can take to help keep their child safe, and possibly save their child’s life. Read more about Asking Saves Kids (ASK).

Every Day on Average (all ages)

Every day, 297 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.

Every day, 89 people die from gun violence:

31 are murdered
55 kill themselves
2 are killed unintentionally
1 is killed by police intervention
1 intent unknown.
Every day, 208 people are shot and survive:

151 shot in an assault
10 survive a suicide attempt
45 are shot unintentionally
2 are shot in a police intervention
It's time for Congress to finish the job and expand Brady background checks to stop criminals and other dangerous people from getting guns in America. Learn more and sign the Finish the Job petition.


In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)

Over 17,000 (17,499) American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.

2,677 kids die from gun violence:

1,671 children and teens are murdered
827 children and teens kill themselves
124 children and teens killed unintentionally
24 are killed by police intervention
30 die but the intent was unknown
14,822 kids survive gun injuries:

11,420 are injured in an attack
280 survive a suicide attempt
3,061 are shot unintentionally
62 are shot in a police intervention



AND... The NRA sucessfully lobbied to prohibit the FBI from blocking gun sales to people on terrorist watch lists. Fly to UhmeriKKKa and but an arsenal at JihadiJoe's.

Maybe we should "Nuke" the NRA.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
The NRA isn't plotting to murder as many as the non gun owners as they can and doesn't consider you as a non gun owner an infidel and only fit for slaughter or slave/second class status.


When they do strike here you can bet it will be in "gun free" zones.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
Nope Jody not one bit. Far more upset about unwanted and abused kids than aborted fetuses.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:03pm PT
Some of you sound like you are hiding under your blankies hoping the Boogie Man wont find you.


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
Islam is no less dangerous than the Nazis were.

Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
ISIS is no less brutal and murderous than the Christian Crusades


Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
End of thread; TGT forfeits debate.
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
So abused and unwanted children are less a problem for you than an abortion you can never personally experience? So coming from your Conservative political perspective social aid to feed all these birthed babies is evil hand outs to takers and deadbeats? And you have the unmitigate gall to call yourself a Christian. I pity you the day you meet your maker.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
Wow...I thought this was about the Paris tragedy. :-/
philo

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
What about all the babies going to bed hungry?
WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
The attacks are over

Quit coordinating more ongoing bullsh!t .....
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 14, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
Yes Philo...I pity you if you have an abortion. Your maker will be angry.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
Jody
I heard that liberals are buying Lamborghinis from the profits of selling baby parts from aborted babies...

They harvest the brains

That's what they say, "must have brains"

We gotta shut down the gubermint to stop the Brain harvest !!!
right???
LOWERme

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:16pm PT
Norton

Social climber
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
Yeah Philo

You better not have an abortion !
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Jody - how many unwanted abandoned children have you adopted?

Let me guess - none.

May I suggest you seek out an Orphanage (yes, they still exist) - or better yet, open your house to Fostering unwanted kids.

Until you do either - your objection to merciful abortions is still just the rantings of a comfortable self-indulgent white man on a 100% pension.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
Well.. now... this thread is really missing one ingrediant so far


A good old fashioned 1980's bolting controversy..

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 14, 2015 - 08:46pm PT
I feel sorry for the crankloons who kept posting after Werner demanded the gag order...there's going to be hell to pay...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
So let's see... we've got all the usual nonsense wedge issues dragged out and beaten to death again.

Amazing how fast that works to divide and distract.

Again, in France, with the coordinated, and likely costly, murders you know.... Cui Bono?

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:26pm PT
Chalk up another thread hijacking!
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Nov 14, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
I click on this thread which is about death and terror attacks in Paris and the first thing I see on the last page are comments about abortion, pensions and bolting controversies. For shame. lynnie
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:01pm PT


And....


"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015


Priceless, utterly, Priceless.


Amazingly, there wasn't a peep on any of the major news media's regarding this confirmed ISIS attack that took over 43 innocent lives and injured 243 which took place just hours before the one in Paris.

Nor did the POTUS come on national tv and mention his solidarity with the people of Lebanon. Nor did he even mention this attack in his interview.

Why is that?

Dozens of people have been killed in Lebanon’s worst terrorist attack this year after a double suicide bombing in south Beirut upended a fragile peace.

The health ministry said 43 people had died and 239 had been wounded in the twin blasts on Thursday, which targeted the Shia-majority district of Burj al-Barajneh. It was the first major suicide bombing to strike the country since a similar attack in January that targeted an Alawite area in the northern city of Tripoli. The number of casualties is likely to rise due to the severity of the attack.

The terrorist group Islamic State (Isis) claimed responsibility for the attack on social media, saying the first bomber had parked an explosives-laden motorcycle in the neighbourhood and a second bomber detonated his suicide vest in the gathering that arrived after the first attack.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/beirut-bombings-kill-at-least-20-lebanon



But by God,


We Have ‘Contained’ Them."


Appears that the People of Lebanon just don't Matter.

Todd Townsend

Social climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:12pm PT
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 14, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
This reaction to the Paris Horror is pretty interesting....



She BTW is one of the leaders of the MIZZOU Campus Protests. And a senior local member of the Black Lives Matter Org.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:05am PT
I'm still trying to figure how this could have even happened. Guns are illegal there.

















Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:42am PT
this space reserved for DMT selfie
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:39am PT
No Jebus. It's turned into an OBama just keeps opening his mouth then tons of bullshet flows out and the multi million flock of "Hope" sheep run to him to eat it all up, thread.


Six hours previous to his totally bullshet comment on national tv of

"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015


This ISIS attack occurred which he nor many did not know about cus those people Lives DO NOT MATTER:

[Click to View YouTube Video]




Eight hours later....


[Click to View YouTube Video]
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:49am PT
Ignorance, fo some, is mistakenly seen as a virtue.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:52am PT
Absolutely Crankalooonstar. You are one of them virtuous "Ignorant Sheep" that believes without question, Obama's insistent bullshet...

"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:05am PT
El Jefe, I'm invoking a new rule regarding interaction with you...2 posts, max. It's on account of your stupidity.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:12am PT
crankaloonster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe

Nov 15, 2015 - 07:05am PT
El Jefe, I'm invoking a new rule regarding interaction with you...2 posts, max. It's on account my sheer stupidity and virtuous ignorance.

FIFY Crankaloonstar.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:14am PT
^^^^^^Pretty Amazing how the down and dirty reality of the truth stirs up ignorance on the part of many here, Randisi. Isn't it.



"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
The POTUS 10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:26am PT
Is indiscriminately killing people in a free country really a show of strength?
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:30am PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:56am PT
U.S. intelligence was able to locate and presumably kill one vile wretch, the so-called jihadi john.

Does it strike anyone here as anomalous that they do not appear to have located the major locations of isis and carpet bombed these locations.


However,

Forgotten note: Richard Nixon, pictured in 1972, revealed to then national security adviser Henry Kissinger that he believed the bombing of Vietnam achieved 'zilch', despite publicly claiming it was 'very, very effective'


philo

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 08:05am PT
Never forget. This person killed 168 American men, women and CHILDREN. He injured 600 more. He perpetrated the worst case of domestic terrorism in United States history. He wasn't black or brown. He wasn't a Hindu or a Muslim or Syrian. He was A WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN. Now think on that before you spread your anti Islamic and anti people of color BULLSH#T on social media.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 08:07am PT
Stop with the "Selfies" already Brown and Philco, for god's sake. Put down the crack pipes for an hour and stay focus'd on the horror in Paris, ISIS and ....


"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
POTUS Obama, 10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015


I know it's so difficult to deal with it, the ignorance of your POTUS.


So as usual, you two and others must DEFLECT, DENY, DEFLECT, DENY and DEFLECT from the truth.


[Click to View YouTube Video]


Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 15, 2015 - 08:31am PT
Hey Chief!

You forgot to include: "and smear and attempt to discredit the messenger;" that seems to be the M.O. of those who live lives in denial of the reality facing us... Deflect, divert, change the subject. All commonly used tools of the libtards and Muzzielovers.

All I can say here is :"Batten down the hatches." We had a saying when I was in the Army: BOHICA!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 15, 2015 - 08:40am PT
This place never changes.

An international tragedy occurs. One that should bring people together. But around here, the conversation quickly becomes about demonizing those with different political values.

Sad.

My heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims of Friday's attack.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 08:58am PT
Males need to mentor young males because all the terrorists and school/campus shooters are men. How many of you have mentored males?

Priceless.

PS: Obvious you have NEVER been to a Muslim country for an extended amount of time.


But once again, the prevailing TECH SAVVY ignorance of modern young America, prevails.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:11am PT
They always come and get us, brokendown knows from experience!

Like the Commies... and the Vietnamese, and the Koreans
And those Central American countries, or Iraq, Afghanistanise
they all sent their armies or terrorists over here to get us

They came after us here and got us.
right

we don't go after the messenger, we just laugh at the lies
and ask are you serious?
yes, you are, and it's troubling

It's all fear mongering Xenophobia
The worst of the worst human quality and mental activity


"and smear and attempt to discredit the messenger;"
All commonly used tools of the libtards and Muzzielovers.
brokenown
so weak, and completely the opposite of the truth
This thread is mostly liberal bashing for one reason, a right wing media smear campaign. It's the new fashion, make the liberals into the commies and then it's easy to hate them, bash them, and lie about them.

That's all you guys do, it's called hate speech. Right wingers just can't stop themselves from doing it to any perceived threat to their bubble of misinformation and delusion.

and to say this to the Chief??? that's classy, that's all he does, attempts to discredit the messenger.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:12am PT
Again, Chief. How is indiscriminately killing people in a free country a sign of strength? Civilians in the western world are easy targets.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:22am PT
"There will always be war. Because young men love it and old men love it in them." -- the Judge, "Blood Meridian."
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:26am PT
Man, I've always had a hard time with McCarthy. Really dense writing, but quite poignant.

I love Paris, and France in general. Spent many a summer there as a kid.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:36am PT
*

I click on this thread which is about death and terror attacks in Paris and the first thing I see on the last page are comments about abortion, pensions and bolting controversies. For shame. lynnie

This place never changes.

An international tragedy occurs. One that should bring people together. But around here, the conversation quickly becomes about demonizing those with different political values.

Sad.

My heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims of Friday's attack.


Truth...



Miss Lynne & Edward.... IMO... this is the appropriate/ sincere thread on this horrific event.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2716989/Our-sympathies-best-wishes-to-France

Edit:..The Chief..I refuse to play the arguing game....Please reread Edward's post.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:44am PT
"There will always be war..."

War keeps the pot stirred, Paul. As you well know.
Corollary: the culling of males keeps the pool adaptive and robust.

Nature will have her way.

.....

Now we can pretend it's because of Original Sin and The Fall, Satan and demons and all that, but we know the dynamics run way deeper than these myths. Don't we?

Consolation through myth. Isn't that right?

Just remember, it cuts both ways.
As the young males of ISIS are demonstrating
now and with no end in sight.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:51am PT
this is the appropriate/ sincere thread on this horrific event

You nor anyone here started a thread for this event which took place not more than 20 hours prior to the Paris one that apparently is not horrific enough for ya'll... Why is that?

[Click to View YouTube Video]



Probably because these people just DON'T MATTER. Nor do the over 35,000 innocent women and children that have been horrifically raped then slaughtered the past 24 or so months.

Why is that Nita?



Civilians in the western world are easy targets.

Women and Children being brutally raped on a daily basis then slaughtered by Muslims Males in the Muslim world are NOT.

Got it.


Muslim Women and Children Lives DO NOT MATTER.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:53am PT
Fire the progressives before their "compassion" is the death of you.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:57am PT
Right
the conservative response of paranoia, hysteria, fear mongering, xenophobia, seal the borders impose martial law and guns is so much better
What else do you want, Torture?

thanks rick, you're a genius
in opposite land

what do you say "let's give up on Hope"

What can be worse than hope?
Only right wingers can answer that.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 09:59am PT
How many here, including the likes of Craig Fry above, actually know that it is a common practice and has been for a longass time in many Muslim countries throughout the world for older men to dress up little boys, 7-10 years old, as little girls, once or twice a week, then openly brutally sexually molest them.

That is the Muslim manner of "mentoring young boys".

Why NO thread on that ongoing "Tragic Event"?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:00am PT
A rational government would have limited, if not completely stopped, immigration from these terrorist cesspool countries in the 1990's. Oh, and thanks Craig.

Yes, I've heard that repeatedly Chief.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:05am PT
I just took a SHET...

Why no thread about that???...

Because for you Locker, that is not a "Tragic Event". It's the story of your life. Hate to see what your closets look and smell like.

Most normal folks "leave" a shet, btw. Probably why you will vote for another totally ignorant libtard progressive corporate bought out full of shet buffoon, Hildabeast. All that shet you have been taking in.

Go figure, it's Locker.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:07am PT
I just took a SHET..

So did this thread. :-P
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:10am PT
On most of the issues i side with the progressives and I totally support the palistinians haveing their own state.
However when it comes to Islam I have to use a bit of common sense. these people are completly f*#ked up. you can hate me for it but it's the truth.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:12am PT
^^^^ a rational progressive whose thoughts are really progressing.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:17am PT
when the wacko right wing Rushbots start killing random Muslims just because of the hysteria we are breeding,
then you know we created a problem
and it may too late by then to reel in the bias


and I can predict that this will happen very soon
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:20am PT
However when it comes to Islam I have to use a bit of common sense. these people are completly f*#ked up. you can hate me for it but it's the truth.

This is not true. You have lived in the presence of muslims most of your life, without any fear of imminent killing. I'm speaking of black muslims, such as Muhammad Ali. Easy to see......because they are black.

but there are many other muslims around us, and they pose no threat of any kind.

So I think it is important to distinguish between those muslims, and the extremist variety.

Exactly the same as the extremist Christians, who would control your religion, control your education, control your medical care, control your right to speak and to vote. And would kill you in a second, if they thought you deviated from "the path"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:21am PT
when the wacko right wing Rushbots start killing random Muslims just because of the hysteria we are breeding,
then you know we created a problem
and it may too late by then to reel in the bias

We saw this right after 911, when good christians killed gas station owners.....of course, they happened to actually be Hindu, not Moslem, but what does that matter to a good christian??
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:23am PT
The instant you become "extremist" then you're NOT a muslim or christian anymore .....
philo

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:24am PT



Werner that's the most right on thing you've said in a long time.



Nov 15, 2015 - 08:37am PT
Lynne, if you want to know how this thread went OT, go back to Philo's post where he brought US "gun deaths" into the thread. I made the mistake of responding to that and the whole thing went downhill. I am truly sorry. :(

There was nothing OT or inappropriate in my bringing that topic into the discussion. Unlike your moronic deflection over abortions. Some off you from paranoid brain trust immediately pandered wide spread fear and a desire to nuke half the world.
Truth is you are in more danger here in AmeriKKKa from random gun violence than you are from a terrorist attack in another country.

Our drunken Rambo rage after 911 didn't make us safer it propagated the shitstorm we see today. And some of you want to do it again.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:24am PT
when the wacko right wing Rushbots start killing random Muslims just because of the hysteria we are breeding

Priceless.


Such hysteria the French President and people are breeding. Damn them!






zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:26am PT
So as usual, you two and others must DEFLECT, DENY, DEFLECT, DENY and DEFLECT from the truth.

One of your most stupid posts to date.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:33am PT
I see you could not resist that crack pipe, Brown. Now that is tragic.



Hey Craig Fry and Philco, looks like the French President is on your Right Winger shetlist now, huh?


French President Francois Hollande has vowed to strike back without mercy


'France will be merciless' in her response to 'barbarians'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995983/President-Francois-Hollande-France-will-be-merciless-in-her-response-to-barbarians.html



Truth is you are in more danger here in AmeriKKKa from random gun violence than you are from a terrorist attack in another country.

And when ISIS does hit here, you Philco and others here, will come up with some brilliant reason like:

"They had every right to react in such a manner. Being treated as they do by the Muslim hating over privi Right Wing Extremist Whites they work for at below menial wages washing dishes and cleaning floors."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:39am PT

More good news from the death cult of the child molesting warlord.

Kurdistan
EXCLUSIVE: Mass grave of 80 Yezidi women discovered in Shingal
By Rudaw yesterday at 04:41
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SHINGAL, Kurdistan Region—A mass grave believed to contain the remains of 80 Yezidi women was discovered by Kurdish forces in Shingal on Saturday a day after the town was retaken from the Islamic State (ISIS).

“Killing these innocent people is one of the crimes ISIS perpetrated against the Yezidi Kurds,” Qasim Simo, head of Shingal security told Rudaw.

The mass grave was found only meters away from the Shingal Technical Institute.

Simo added that all the remains appear to be of women and young girls killed by ISIS militants as they overran the town last year.

Video footage of the mass grave filmed by a Rudaw cameraman shows women’s clothes, long hair and other outfit unique to the Yezidi community.

According to Shingal security chief, the ISIS militants had buried the bodies of the Yezidi women in what used to be the Technical Institute’s fish pond.

Speaking to Rudaw Simo said that they had prior information about several mass graves in the town and the one discovered Saturday is believed to be one of the largest.

Thousands of Yezidi women and children are still believed to be missing.

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/141120156

More good news from the death cult of the child molesting warlord.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:42am PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:46am PT
I heard a couple of interesting statements out of our leaders today. First Obama vows to redouble efforts to fight the forces of twisted ideologies attacking the civilized world and second that the refugee entry from Syria et al would be limited to widows and orphans.

I would say even the progressive base has had enough.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 10:48am PT
Should I post up some videos of the Muslim Brother (founded in 1928) and the PLO (Founded in 1964) and other modern era extremist Muslim Orgs that have been in existence long before and with the exact same premise of ISIS, Brown?


How bout we just go back to the very beginning of all these "Extremist" Muslim orgs like the ...

Kharijites


I wonder which "Bush" was at fault for that massive Muslim Extremist group that slaughtered millions that did not go along with their call for Caliphate, Brown?


You truly are such a "parrot", Brown. You're starting to sound like Philco and Fry. Seriously.
RyanD

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:03am PT
The Chief,



It's not what you say, it's how you say it.


The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:05am PT

The Chief,



It's not what you say, it's how you say it.




Ryan D.... Such PCness.


Typical.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:10am PT
You truly are such a "parrot", Brown. You're starting to sound like Philco and Fry. Seriously.

Political Parrots +1 chief
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:15am PT



French officials are BLASTING Barack Obama for his feckless leadership in dealing with ISIS and other global terror threats.

They’re laying at least some of the responsibility for Friday’s terrorist attacks right at his feet, claiming Obama did nothing for two years while ISIS grew out of control, MSNBC is reporting.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:24am PT
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:26am PT
"Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism"


That just proves that the Climate has indeed been Changing pretty consistently since at least the year 620AD (when the first radical extremist Muslim Jihadist "Terrorist" groups started their barbaric slaughtering of anyone that did not go along with their radical Sharia ideology and Caliphate) or so.

TFPU that up Cosmic.
RyanD

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:33am PT
Ok the Chief, classic response.


I'll clean it up for u then I gotta go. This thread and engaging you is a huge waste of my time.

I was attempting to give you a nudge, but you are so dense I'll quickly explain.


It's not about being PC.

It's just about not being a fanatic. This is how you come off.


Impossible for you to comprehend probably, but it's why everyone trolls you and thinks your an angry, sexist, violent, war mongering, rascist, knee jerk reactive as#@&%e with micro penis rage in these types of discussions.


It has nothing to do with your beliefs, experience, or who you voted for. Even what you are trying to say isn't always the worst, it's just how you say it. You assassinate your own character constantly.


You are simply devoid of the ability to put yourself in another persons situation before posting.


Aka - zero self awareness.

It appears that you are unable to listen, it's like you have been brainwashed or something.


Your habit of deleting and editing posts to suit others responses is evidence of this along with some healthy delusions.


It doesn't bother me much, and I'm sure you are a great outlet for others here as well who want to speak directly with the attitude that they see as trying to destroy humanity by having seemingly no interest in peace.

Just thought I'd let you know

✌🏿👳🏾


Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:36am PT
Two thumbs up for Ryan D's observation!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:39am PT
It doesn't bother me much...

If so, why then the time spent on two posts telling me how YOU would prefer I post according to your standards of "correctness"?

Another Priceless post.


Keep em coming Ryan D.

"Conformity: To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson


It appears that you are unable to listen

To who Ryan D, you?

Tell me more. Please.


it's like you have been brainwashed or something.



Classic.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:04pm PT

Nov 14, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
This reaction to the Paris Horror is pretty interesting....



She BTW is one of the leaders of the MIZZOU Campus Protests. And a senior local member of the Black Lives Matter Org.

"Conformity: To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”


Susan

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
Chief's a realist

Sometimes real human understanding means it's time to get more ammunition

http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/the-jihadis-master-plan-to-break-us/
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
Thank you "Susan" for confirming my post. You are good for that, your insistent assuming that is.


Have you power puked yet?


EDIT: At least you haven't joined Locker in "taking a shet".
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
Thank you Susan for confirming my post. You are good for that, your insistent assuming that is.

Oh yeah...that whole finger pointing thing...one at me and a bunch back at you, or something like that.

Carry on...



Susan
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:17pm PT
Pointing fingers?

Hmmmmm. Interesting, Susan. Interesting.


Thanks for confirming my resulting post on your innate ability to "assume".


Nice wobbling "finger pointing" btw.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
French officials are BLASTING Barack Obama for his feckless leadership in dealing with ISIS and other global terror threats.

What a bunch of utter BULLSH#T!! That's just drop dead BULLSH#T.

As though the French, or any of our other "allies" have really been taking it to ISIS.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
What a bunch of utter BULLSH#T!! That's just drop dead BULLSH#T.

So Bruce, are you now going to state that Obama has been "taking it" to ISIS's and confirming his public claim not less than 10 hours prior to the Paris Attack that he has

... contained them.

Interesting.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
*
[Click to View YouTube Video]
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
So Bruce, are you now going to state that Obama has been "taking it" to ISIS's and confirming his public claim not less than 10 hours prior to the Paris Attack that he has

The truth is that he's done far more than any other world leader in terms of taking it to them.

And if you can't even admit that much, that is far more "interesting"....
alannamal

climber
B.C.
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:51pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPlREDW-Ro
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 15, 2015 - 12:55pm PT
My father taught me a very important life lesson. " the world doesn't owe you a living"

I'm starting to harbor a great deal of resentment that the rest of the world sure seems to think America is supposed to take care of them. After 9/11 did we blame France, Canada, Great Britian etc etc? I never thought I'd be an Isolationist but it's becoming more appealing.

Time to go ride.

Susan
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
The truth is that he's done far more than any other world leader in terms of taking it to them.

Grand excuse Bruce.

This is what I find really interesting about the above comment.

"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
POTUS Obama, 10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015

What I find even more interesting is this..

Obama claims Putin's war in Syria is sign of weakness - as US abandons training rebels to fight Assad and ISIS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3266580/Obama-claims-Putin-s-war-Syria-sign-weakness-abandons-training-rebels-fight-Assad-ISIS.html#ixzz3rb2FT9SK


Over half a billion dollars and two years of training. 2 left. Only 2 remaining trained rebels.

Yup, Obama has done so much more.

And this is the really interesting thing about it all....

[Click to View YouTube Video]




mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:08pm PT

From Ryan D:



Impossible for you to comprehend probably, but it's why everyone trolls you and thinks your an angry, sexist, violent, war mongering, rascist, knee jerk reactive as#@&%e with micro penis rage in these types of discussions.


The only thing you left out was pea-brain (but, then again, why launch gratuitous insults at legumes).
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:21pm PT

Even better.




I just took a SHET...




RFLMAO!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
USA airstrikes, 3,222.

Throughout the month (Aug), drones and warplanes deployed 2,828 weapons against ISIS targets, according to new figures released by the U.S. Air Forces Central Command. That is a 66 percent increase in the number of bombs and missiles fired at the militant group’s targets in June, and even 22 percent more than the 2,038 used in January, when the coalition unleashed a fusillade of firepower in an effort to drive ISIS out of the Syrian city of Kobani.



This was back in February. We are now well beyond 3,000.
Jordan and the other Arab countries are still doing little, even though Jordan says it ramped up attacks. As of this week, the U.S. mounted 946 strikes in Syria, while Jordan, Bahrain, Saudi and UAE completed 79 total. The United Arab Emirates stopped flying in December, concerned the U.S. is not providing sufficient combat air rescue.


Give it a break The Chief. Your hatred of Obama is just Anger Fries dipped in Weak Sauce.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:44pm PT
Give it a break The Chief. Your hatred of Obama is just Anger Fries dipped in Weak Sauce.



"ISIS Is Not Getting ‘Stronger,’ We Have ‘Contained’ Them."
POTUS Obama, 10:35 AM (EST) 11/13/2015

Six hours later...

[Click to View YouTube Video]



Your insistent excuse making for Obama is just plain worse than Locker's ceaseless shet taking, Bruce.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
The Chief..To windy on the owens today..?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
Nope RJ. Don't do either the UO nor the LO on weekends. Too many Weekend Locker's taking shets all over.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:51pm PT
Who made an excuse? I didn't.

The truth is the truth. We've done more, they've done less, even Ray Charles could've seen that much.

If the rest of our allies did as much, ISIS would be dust.

And your harping on contained and "stronger" is way off base too.

Even in the final days of WWII the Nazis could still mount an attack that killed hundreds. Just because ISIS mounted an attack in Paris doesn't mean they've gotten "stronger".

Damn you're thick headed sometimes man.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
France is bombing Syria right now. That didn't take long. I guess having ISIS under Obama-style containment isn't going to do for the French.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
There has to be a way to sterilize all the men in the Middle East and other regions that breed terrorists. Better living thru chemistry, eh?

They all smoke like chimneys,

Maybe RJ Reynolds can come up with something.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
Who made an excuse? I didn't.

It's been over 32 months since them Goons came over in droves from Syria. Over 50,000 have been slaughtered by their ruthless hands since then. Probably so many more.

They are now in control of Libya and have expanded their terror ops globally.


But by God, Obama has done so much with his supposed "60 Nation Coalition" and has "contained them".

Putin shows up and begins to decimate them azzholes with zero mercy and your Obama instantly has the gall to claim he is "Weak".

Keep making excuses Bruce. And you claim I am "thick headed".
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
We are now well beyond 3,000.

last night on the news they said that most US planes are coming back from night missions still loaded with bombs..
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:10pm PT

MUCH preferred over LEAVING it...


DUH!!!...

Thanks for confirming the smell and closet issue, Locker. Not only do you take shets, you obviously collect and horde them.


Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
Perhaps we should request out German "allies" to supply their technical expertise to clear up the problems in the Middle East?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URSNN5mnI2g

No, no, those civilized Europeans have never done anything nasty or inhumane before.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
So now you are going to claim that Freud has handled and evaluated your shet, Locker.

Must be that glue talking again.




I now clearly understand why you believe that Hildabeast is the... shet. And that you will be voting for her!

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
I already posted earlier my condolences for those people affected by these atrocities.

I was not going to post again because I did not want to bump this thread.

But it seems like everybody is posting to it.

So…

I must be a masochist, I 'et the whole thread.


EDIT

Hey, this is pretty cool.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318549/Britain-s-communities-solidarity-France-wake-Paris-terror-attacks.html?ito=social-facebook
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
Should I post up some videos of the Muslim Brother (founded in 1928) and the PLO (Founded in 1964) and other modern era extremist Muslim Orgs that have been in existence long before and with the exact same premise of ISIS, Brown?

Are they linked? Sure why not, but make sure they support your premise.

How much time have you spent studying all this?


Two 1/4 minds, still only equal 1/2.

Like the old film No Time for Sargents, no time for morons. Adios fellas.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
pyro posted
last night on the news they said that most US planes are coming back from night missions still loaded with bombs..

Which has been the case for weeks or months. Targets move. Intelligence is poor.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Nov 15, 2015 - 02:59pm PT
love is the answer

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:06pm PT

Are they linked? Sure why not, but make sure they support your premise.


The premise begins with Mohammad and his first big battles, which by no coincidence are celebrated in the month of Safar,

The Paris attack was on Safar,1

Symbolism and dates are big with these butchers.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
Now you've done it. No more posts from the Chief.


He's gone off to claim his Corvette. ( hold out for something pre-StingRay, buddy)
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
For $5 Million bucks, I'll fly the bird and Chief can get his Corvette and $5 Mil manning the door gun... I want mine in metallic burgundy!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
Don't worry..The Chief had to take a break and lay some more freedom fries...he'll be back shortly..No pun intended...
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal

Nov 15, 2015 - 03:06pm PT

Are they linked? Sure why not, but make sure they support your premise.


The premise begins with Mohammad and his first big battles, which by no coincidence are celebrated in the month of Safar,

The Paris attack was on Safar,1

Symbolism and dates are big with these butchers.

Somebody gets it.

But then that's what happens when you do some research in the truth and not insistently feeding on some left wing ideological PC bullshet propaganda.



Hey NORTON, You packing today. Or is it an off heavy cashload day? In other words, no dealing on Sundays. Got show some scruples, right.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
So Locker, were you mentored by a Muslim Adult when you were a little boy. All this intricate mature photoshopping of asses and shet coming outta of asses that you so well and easily do has to be motivated by some deep youthful mentoring of yours.

Or did you just play lots of Mr. Potatohead with yourself as a young man?


Toooo fking funnnneeeeeeeee... seriously. Locker the Glue Man.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!

Nov 15, 2015 - 03:53pm PT

Huh???...

What photoshopping (Uh, I don't use Photoshop) of ASSES???...

I'd love to see them...

Liar!



Etc Etc Etc....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
Hahahhaahahahaahhahahahhahahajaanajnanaana!.............

The CHIEF for 3!...............

or was that four, and LOCKER's out the door.......................... ...............
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
The nearly criminal (in it's stupidity and duplicity) invasion of Iraq by Cheney and Rumsfeld (Bush read about it in the papers) and the subsequent abandonment of Afghanistan started this mess. Thankfully those morons were followed by Obama who has done a damn good job of protecting the homeland.....do the numbers

The bluster and bellowing by blundering republicans is a far cry from the intelligence and sophistication needed to deal with today's complex issues.

Chief....is your 24/7 guardianship of all things right wing keeping you from climbing, or have you just retired?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
Chief....is your 24/7 guardianship of all things right wing keeping you from climbing, or have you just retired?keeping you from climbing, or have you just retired?

Please do specify why you Jim title me as a guardian of "of all things right wing"?

Is it the standard policy of you Liberals to assume things that are not merely because someone DOES NOT align themselves nor go along with your agenda or ideology?

Pretty bias thinking isn't Jim. But then that is so typical of the Liberal agenda.


The nearly criminal (in it's stupidity and duplicity) invasion of Iraq by Cheney and Rumsfeld (Bush read about it in the papers) and the subsequent abandonment of Afghanistan started this mess.

Did you mention that you are still actively training as a civilian resource with the folks over at the 10th Mtn Div, Jim?

If so, I highly suggest you ask the Intel folks there when and where ISIL/ISIS was formed and why. But, when you do so, DO NOT come back here on ST and tell the rest of your croanies here the truth. You may just be labeled as a "Right Winger".
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:43pm PT
Based on previous experience, I am more worried about our reaction to this event that a repeat of it on our shores. It will take a generation or two (if ever) to roll back the huge advances the military and intelligence industrial complexes have made from the last ones, all with very little actual increase in safety.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
This is actually one of my personal favorites...


It blended well.

Figures it would be. He's dumping in his jammies while sitting on the shetter.



"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS... Oh SHET! I forgot something!!!"

Fits him to the tee.
F

climber
away from the ground
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
Chuff - read aloud post 482. Then read aloud post 484. If that exercise, which I'm sure you won't actually do, doesn't make you realize that you are the biggest shet spraying, disrespectful, mouth breathing, military brainwashed, f*#king retard that ever walked the Earth. Then... Well, I guess you could then also qualify for the least self aware doesn't climb any more because he's too busy spraying faux news propaganda and fondling his "guns" jackass on Supertopo. Congratulations. The rest of the world despises Americans because of people like you. Strong work, Bozo.

+1 Werner, except for all the crank loon and generalizing stuff... But yeah.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
+1 Chief
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
The rest of the world despises Americans because of people like you.


Curious "F", do you or any of your croanies here know the history behind this structure? Do you even know what it is?

More Roman, Muslim and Christian blood has flowed down that river than any of you could ever imagine. All for the sake of who's religious building will stand there the longest. And trust me, not of it was associated with any of the Bush's or any Repug.
F

climber
away from the ground
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
Chuff, go look at yourself naked in the mirror and try not to cry.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
F, Just go look at yourself in the mirror, with or without clothes on, and don't laugh too hard.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:45pm PT
All decent people (on this planet) are outraged by this act of barbarasim by Islamic Extremists. I agree with Hillary, they must be defeated, they must be wiped out.

You don't accomplish this by indiscriminate bombing or sending in an occupying force (for now). We need increased intelligence, targeted attacks and help from out allies in the region.
We are at war, but we need to be smart. Donini was spot on on how ISIS was created.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:46pm PT

Cronies


Cronies


Susan
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
Part of the Spanish sewer system.

Flush twice, Syria needs the water.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
Donini was spot on on how ISIS was created.

Wrong!

Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Jordanian Salafi Sunni jihadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his militant group Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, founded in 1999, achieved notoriety in the early stages of the Iraqi insurgency for the suicide attacks on Shia Islamic mosques, civilians, Iraqi government institutions

WRONG SUSAN...

Croan....

To moelest a black squirrel hang it from a tree and set it on fire while its alive

Precisely what all you "Craonies" do here to anyone that does NOT go along with your agenda or ideology.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
Chief....I am not actively training with the 10th Mountain Division (that's WW11 vintage), I've done some things with the 10th Special Forces and their Mountain School.....I was in the Special Forces a half century ago.
I believe that a strong military is necessary in this crazy world, I just believe it should be used intelligently.
F

climber
away from the ground
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:52pm PT
And Chuff believes it should be used how HE sees fit. That's why he never made it past the rank of.. Chuff. And why nobody ever asked him to run for President. Strange being that he is the smartest man alive.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:57pm PT

Nov 15, 2015 - 03:06pm PT

Are they linked? Sure why not, but make sure they support your premise.


The premise begins with Mohammad and his first big battles, which by no coincidence are celebrated in the month of Safar,

The Paris attack was on Safar,1

Symbolism and dates are big with these butchers.

Complete reach. There are 16 holy days for Islam listed in Wikipedia, so more than one a month.

The one listed for the month of Sufar is on the 20th day. That's 2/3 of a lunar month off. The holiday before it was on October 11.
Besides, it's listed as a Shia holiday commemorating the martyrdom of Ali and ISIS purports to be Sunni. You need to make better case and not just make crap up.


Not everything is religious.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
I've done some things with the 10th Special Forces and their Mountain School.....I was in the Special Forces a half century ago.

Then you Jim should know better than to post half assed info on ISIS.

They were formed in 1999 by a Jordanian Sunni (Abu Musab al-Zarqawi) for no other reason than to continue the ongoing Sunni-Shia shetfest Jihad amongst one another. Then used the Iraq War to gather strong momentum and recruitment in their quest to rid the region of all Shiite's.


And that is precisely what their primary goal is today and has been for the last seven years in Syria. They have included anyone that protects any Shia, Christian or Kurdish people in that region.

Besides, it's listed as a Shia holiday commemorating the martyrdom of Ali and ISIS purports to be Sunni.

Precisely why ISIS attacked on that day... DUH!

Specifically in Beirut. All that were attacked and killed were, Shia.

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Ali Awad, 14, was chopping vegetables when the first bomb struck. Adel Tormous, who would die tackling the second bomber, was sitting at a nearby coffee stand. Khodr Alaa Deen, a registered nurse, was on his way to work his night shift at the teaching hospital of the American University at Beirut, in Lebanon.

All three lost their lives in a double suicide attack in Beirut on Thursday, along with 40 others, and much like the scores who died a day later in Paris, they were killed at random, in a bustling urban area, while going about their normal evening business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0


Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:08pm PT

Nov 15, 2015 - 05:58pm PT


Precisely why they attacked on that day... DUH!

Specifically in Beirut.


Moron.

Look at the calendar.

It's not Sufar 20.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:11pm PT

Precisely why they attacked on that day... DUH!

Specifically in Beirut.


Sorry, I didn't know I was conversing with a moron who doesn't know what calendar dates mean.

Carry on.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
Lorenzo...


The one listed for the month of Sufar is on the 20th day. That's 2/3 of a lunar month off. The holiday before it was on October 11.

Ah, moron?

The dates you refer to are for 2016.

20 Ṣafar 20 Nov. 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_holidays


And I was wrong regarding the 20 Sufar "holiday" date for this year.

It is on the 2 Dec. for 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_holidays);


But then you Lorenzo conform the myth that Bush and Cheney created ISIS. SO it's ok.




EDIT: Day Shift is over. Jody, TGT, Hermitmeister, Madbolter1 etal, take over on these Leftwing Loons.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
As the investigation into the deadly attacks on this city spiraled into a Europe-wide effort, French warplanes pounded the headquarters of Islamic State on Sunday in retaliation for what the government here said was the group's orchestration of the terrorist assault from its base in northern Syria.

The airstrikes by a dozen aircraft, including 10 fighter jets, destroyed a jihadist training camp and a command and weapons center in Islamic State's declared capital of Raqqa, in northern Syria, the French Defense Ministry said.


It was the biggest such bombardment by France since the country expanded its aerial campaign against Islamic State in September, and was carried out with targeting information supplied by U.S. intelligence.

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-investigators-find-new-clues-to-identity-of-paris-attackers-20151115-story.html


Vive La France!!!!!!!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
Bush and Cheney created an environment for them to prosper,

If so, then Obama and Hildabeast created the exact same environment for them to "Prosper" in Libya when they did the same to Gaddafi. So they are just as guilty in that respect according to your logic Mono.

But that is ok. They are Dems and you will vote for Hildabeast next year regardless if she designed the over throw of Gaddafi that resulted in the exact same diabolical "environment" you speak of that occurred in Iraq.

Oh the ironeeeeeeee!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
Thanks for confirming you were wrong. ( for either year)

Your argument is bogus.

Carry on.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
As were you Lorenzo... Carry on.


I knew you couldn't stay away Chief

Not when you post MONO. Your shet is too ideologically stooopid not to call out.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
Put off his red Corvette, I guess.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
And put off your Flinestone mobile... Lorenzo. Stick to walking. You can't hurt anyone other than yourself doing so.


Carry on.... Ciao.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
Almost all of you who post to Supertopo are fairly bright. And almost all of you are horrified and disgusted by the killings in Paris.

So you boot up your computers and...

...and spew hundreds of posts about how stupid [name of poster you hate] is.

Have you all taken leave of your humanity? Your intelligence?

What the f*#k is going through your minds that you think the most important thing you can do after an horrific act of barbarism like this is to tell your favorite ST opponent that he's a f*#king idiot.

Does even one of you have a single intelligent word to say? A single thought about how we -- we humans -- should deal with this? It sure as f*#k doesn't sound like it. What it sounds like is that you're all so deeply buried in your hatred of [that as#@&%e] that you couldn't give a rat's ass if everyone in the world died a painful death, as long as you could get your last shot in at him.

Assholes. Each and every one of you.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Thank You and great post.
c wilmot

climber
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
The US can start by no longer supporting "moderate" rebels who like ISIS want an islamic state in Syria.
Assad was quite stable for a ME dictator. The west should have let him take care of ISIS on his own, rather than creating a proxy war to profit off

It is sad to see the division the elite have fostered in the US to keep their military industrial machine going
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
Ghost,

This is an interesting microcosm of what will happen everywhere.

Violent attacks evoke strong emotions, people feel vulnerable, scared, and most importantly they REACT, and don't think. Critical thinking is suspended.

False flags work. Always have and always will. Divide and conquer. Now France has a blank check from it's people to carpet bomb brown people at will in Syria. Perhaps their oligarchs get a piece of Syria after Assad is replaced with a proper Western puppet.

And the masses will kill each other. Imagine the violence now to be directed towards those homeless Syrians who have been driven into Europe (i.e. evil Brown people)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
My Syrian friends are very happy their relatives are in areas under Assad's
control. They have nothing good to say about ANY of the so-called rebel
groups.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Nov 15, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
Last I checked the overthrow of Gaddafi didn't include the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents like dick and dubya's "Operation Iraqi Freedom" did.

Isn't that differnt, The Chief?

Do you know the death toll thus far in Libya thus far since October 20, 2011 due to different factions of radical Islam (including ISIS) that have been fighting for control of that nation, Warbler.

Any idea?

How about we start with these numbers which Obama and Hilabeast were architects of ....

At least 30,000 people were killed and 50,000 wounded in Libya's six-month civil war, the interim health minister said, offering a first detailed estimate of the high cost in lives of bringing down Moammar Gadhafi.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/libya-war-died_n_953456.html

That equates to 1/10th of the estimates in Iraq over an eight year period in just six months.

But that is A-OK. Cus of course, it's was Hillary that designed that 6 Month civil war (she basically took full credit for doing so in her 11 hour testimony, repeatedly) in order to take down Moammar Gadhafi. And you Warbler will certainly vote for her next Nov. That is of course if she's NOT arrested.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
"But that is A-OK. Cus of course, it's was Hillary that designed that 6 Month civil war"



She promoted and supported the Iraq War too.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH! It was a mistake now that she is running for POTUS and it is NOT a good thing to be associated with promoting and supporting that War.


BUT!

If it was a good thing to be so, associated with that War, she of course would be banging her "breasts" and it would be at the top of her, resume.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 15, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
FWIW...

Beirut Lebanon the day before...
Todd Townsend

Social climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 15, 2015 - 11:07pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 05:21am PT
Fear posted
False flags work. Always have and always will. Divide and conquer. Now France has a blank check from it's people to carpet bomb brown people at will in Syria. Perhaps their oligarchs get a piece of Syria after Assad is replaced with a proper Western puppet.

France was already bombing Syria. False flag? Don't be absurd. What there is cover for (in case they needed it) are the massive raids currently ongoing in France in primarily Muslim households and neighborhoods. Coupled with the insensitive manner that France already treats it's 5 million person Muslim minority, this is unlikely to ease tensions. On the plus side, they apparently found a rocket launcher?!? No bueno.

Todd- Are you posting that ironically or is your point really "mass shootings like these could never happen in America because of the second amendment?"

Reilly posted
My Syrian friends are very happy their relatives are in areas under Assad's
control. They have nothing good to say about ANY of the so-called rebel
groups.

You find it surprising that people living in Assad's good graces are speaking ill of the armed groups trying to advance on them? How do the people Assad gassed like it? Only in Hollywood are opposing sides completely good and completely evil. The Syrian rebels are not a monolith. Assad is not a universal villain.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Nov 16, 2015 - 06:29am PT
In the end, nothing will change, people will circle the wagons around the ideology of their choice. Double down, no one changes their mind, the terrorists won. Both the Right and the Left, will continue to allow citizens be used as cannon fodder for their bad decisions. FTW

philo

climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:03am PT
Op-Ed by Claire Bernish
November 14, 2015

(ANTIMEDIA) The World, at Large — We are in mourning. Again. Indeed, Paris is in mourning, again.
For the second time in less than a year, we are all de facto Parisians — with Facebook profiles, casinos, and whole buildings draped in the blue, white, and red of the French flag. Solidarity as sympathy, bien sûr — a most poignant message that humanity stands with Paris — and will act decisively to avenge the “carnage” unexpectedly wrought by those whose motives most will never fall victim to, much less comprehend.


Most?
Evidently, despite the accumulated knowledge of the entire planet at our disposal through the computer screen, solidarity has escaped some of us.
And I am weary.
Without question, I mourn for Paris’ recent victims and their families — and I would never claim knowledgeable firsthand experience of the same. But I refuse — despite my partial French heritage — to cloak myself in nationalism of any stripe or star, particularly not now. Because, besides victims in Paris, an incomprehensibly astronomic number of people have been grieving loss of the highest order for some time — in places whose names roll off our tongues as if it’s accepted that violence simply happens there — and a majority likely couldn’t guess the colors on these victims’ flags.
You see, I also mourn for those killed mere hours before Paris crumbled into chaos, in strikingly similar attacks in Beirut.
I mourn the hundreds of thousands displaced or killed in Syria, no matter their pledged allegiance. No matter their professed religion. No matter.
I mourn for the millions killed in ongoing and renewed, illegal United States’ aggression in Iraq — and those facing a torturous demise from exposure to depleted uranium employed in violation of international and humanitarian law — for reasons far closer to ‘American’ and corporate hegemony than compassionate principle.


I mourn the untold number killed in the United States’ insidious — and seemingly permanent — war in Afghanistan. And the countless children there who know nothing of peace, much less the feeling of safety it brings. And patients and staff recently targeted, bombed, and then shot while fleeing the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz — and the irony of that humanitarian organization’s French roots.
I mourn those forced into human slavery or sex trafficking in Malaysia; and curse the scant hope they escape, now that the massive TPP has garnered U.S. government’s tacit approval of the abhorrence that is human trade.
I mourn for Palestinians, whose land was usurped — and whose lives and infrastructure and families and sense of security and HOMES are under siege and occupation by an illegal and actively terrorist State.
I mourn the patients and staff at the over 100 healthcare facilities in Yemen that have been BOMBED since March. And the apparently soulless who found an acceptable target in hospitals.
I mourn for Yemen.
I mourn for the victims of complicit government violence in Mexico, and 43 students and their families who lack answers.
I mourn for Chinese men, women, and children working, quite literally, as slaves, so the West can be rude at dinner and take endless pictures — of its narcissistically apathetic self.
I mourn rampant genocide — past and present — for the sake of manifest destiny. And empire. And imperialism. And inexplicable and unstated reasons.
In fact, I mourn for all victims of terror, whether State or group sponsored, without conditions attached to my grief — no matter location, nor loyalty, nor arbitrary geopolitical happenstance of location of a victim’s birth. And I’m already grieving those soon to be terror’s next victims; since, as French President François Hollande jarringly warned, avenging Paris’ victims just birthed (yet another) “PITILESS” war.
As if gentle were somehow a method to employ in waging war.
Yes, I mourn for Paris. But I do so while weeping in shame at the deplorable supercilious judgment ensconced in Western reaction to it; for countless pitiable xenophobes and their endless vapid justifications; for arrogant commentary from politicians and their media mouthpieces with their embarrassing post-tragedy clamoring to exploit ignorant heartstrings for the appropriate victims; for the endless War of Terror — and the service members who somehow haven’t yet deduced that this would ALL END if they simply refused to f*#king fight.
The fact is, grief on this scale is exhausting. And I’m very nearly out of tears.
So keep these victims around the globe in mind — every, single man, woman and child who has, who is, and who will suffer the maiming, horror, torture, and death that’s as necessary to war as those who take up arms — when you next excuse a politician’s stance on war, because the rest of his or her platform seems really promising.
Or, at least, seems the lesser of two evils.
And shake that flag from your social media profile; and your home; and your thoughts. Because as long as you wear just one flag, your attempt to stand with victims of terror is a most embarrassingly hollow solidarity, indeed.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:10am PT
Sorry, John, but it's attitudes like yours that maintain the status quo.

In reality (not here on some climbers forum) intelligent and rasonable people of all nations are coming together to mourn for France and recognize that a greater cooperation between nations is necessary to defeat these terrorists. These bastards won't last. We are and will continue to degrade and destroy them. There will be setbacks, of course, like Paris. But Jihadi John (dead) and his kind are destined for the trash heap,of history.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:18am PT
"These bastards won't last."

That's right.



Signs of progress...


Kurdish female fighter destroys ISIS billboard with dress instructions.

.....

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40jfWDPviHY
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:24am PT
I can't stand Donald Trump. He's a callous rube. He's unqualified to be POTUS. However, he sometimes makes a good point.

For weeks (maybe months) Trump has been saying "Bomb the hell out of ISIS." Now, French planes are doing just that.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
Ten planes? Twenty bombs?

It's eyewash.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
Bombing, will not destroy their ideology. It will simply drive it from its nest, into the rest of the world.

I'm old. I'm tired of it. The "Better Dead than Red" ideology, got me drafted and sent far away. I saw things, that are unspeakable. I saw more such, as an office worker in the WTC. On the cutting edge of "diversity". Wide open immigration.

Nothing changes. Things get worse, not better. I've told the younger women in my family, the Muslims are here now, they need to dress more conservatively.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
Edward, if you think this marks a sudden uptick in the amount of bombing that ISIL has been on the receiving end of you have not been paying attention. America has been bombing them as aggressively as possible for months. There is no lack of planes or bombs there is a lack of targets. It's not like there are big juicy targets that we've just been letting sit there because we aren't motivated to do something about it.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:37am PT
America has been bombing them as aggressively as possible for months.

"..as aggressively as possible..."

LOL!!!!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:48am PT
Green Bay's quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, shows some class.

Teams around the NFL decided to pay tribute to those affected by Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris before kickoff this weekend. Some of the tributes – like the one in Philly – were pretty touching, but the one in Green Bay went a bit off the rails. During the pregame moment of silence, one fan at Lambeau Field thought it would be a good time to shout an extremely inappropriate comment directed at Muslims.

A fan reported this: “I just heard "Death to Muslims" during the moment of silence at Lambeau. Stay classy, Green Bay.”

The comment was apparently heard by many, including Rodgers and his Packers teammates. After the game, Rodgers called out the fan during his press conference with the media.

“I must admit, I was very disappointed with whoever the fan was who made a comment that I thought was really inappropriate during the moment of silence. It’s that kind of prejudicial ideology that puts us in the position that we’re in today.”
http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/11/aaron-rodgers-calls-out-fan-who-yelled-during-moment-of-silence-muslims/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 07:55am PT
From January: http://www.ibtimes.com/us-air-force-drops-record-amount-bombs-against-islamic-state-iraq-syria-1777616

Islamic State fighters learned how to change their tactics to avoid being hit by the high-precision weaponry (the GBU-38 is guided by GPS, while the GBU-54 by a laser beam). Accordingly, they began travelling in smaller groups so they could not be spotted from the air. In response, the U.S. Air Force has concentrated on areas of intense fighting and individual vehicles. That means the air force is having to rely increasingly on intelligence from sources on the ground and is expending a greater number of munitions than before.

From August: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/08/07/430151358/after-a-year-of-bombing-isis-u-s-campaign-shows-just-limited-gains

That air campaign has grown much wider over the past year. Pentagon officials say some 6,000 more bombing runs have been flown over both Iraq and Syria against the self-declared Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

I'm not going to keep digging you can do that yourself. The problem is not desire nor weaponry, it's intelligence and targets that can actually be hit from the air. We could start firebombing civilians if that would make you feel better. Nothing like torching the people you claim to be saving.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:00am PT
Duplicate? Skip the thread and Watch it again.



[Click to View YouTube Video]
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:19am PT
From August: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/08/07/430151358/after-a-year-of-bombing-isis-u-s-campaign-shows-just-limited-gains[/quote]

Critics say there's been an excess of caution in the bombing campaign.

"The air attacks to date have been what can only be called anemic," says David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general.

Deptula, who directed the air campaigns in the first Gulf War and the invasion of Afghanistan, says it is not possible to defeat the Islamic State by flying what's been an average of little more than a dozen airstrikes a day.

"The administration's incomplete strategy places U.S. commanders in an untenable situation," he says. "It's not unlike the failed strategy that was employed in Vietnam."

The current air campaign drew fire as well at a hearing last month on Capitol Hill.

"Our means and our current level of effort are not aligned with our ends," said Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John McCain, the Arizona Republican who himself flew combat missions in Vietnam. "That suggests we are not winning, and when you're not winning in war, you are losing."
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:19am PT
From what I understand President Hollande has officially "unleashed" the 13th and the 2nd Regi's with orders to be hunt and terminate any of the ISIS/ISIL "Azzholes".

Combined, the two units are composed of around 3300 of the baddest of the baddest and most ruthlessly trained "Merc's" known to the modern world and make ST6 look like a bunch of flower childs. Now they have a brutal reason to terminate "without mercy".

This is going to be rather interesting....


philo

climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:21am PT
^^^ gonna celebrate their deployment with some "Freedom Fries"?



John Oliver rocks it.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:21am PT
They are carrying around giant rescue-8's. How badass could they be? ;-)
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:30am PT
You look at the "8's" but should be looking at the M82's capable of reaching out and touching someone effectively at 1200-2000 meters.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:31am PT
The Paras of the FFL fully understand Extreme Prejudice, and aren't bound by Rules of Engagement. They are NOT very PC.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:32am PT
France carried out massive airstrikes Sunday night on Islamic State group targets in Raqqa, Syria

http://www.france24.com/en/20151114-live-blog-string-deadly-shootings-rock-paris

While I applaud France's resolve I do question how 10 sorties constitutes "massive airstrikes."

Can you say B-52?


High Desert, you prefer they use brake bars? ;-)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:33am PT
Fighting "terrorists" with bombs. Has that ever worked in history?

Better to defund said terrorists, gotta be a line item on some CIA budget somewhere we can cross off.

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:39am PT
Just some questions I don't know the answers to:

I know there is Sunni/Shia conflict all about the ME, but what are the refugee numbers and splits of Sunni/Shia going to Europe?

Why do the refugees prefer to go to European countries instead of other Muslim countries in the ME?
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan, Morocco are all stable and have safe harbors for Sunni or Shia, no?

What about Turkey? Aren't they NATO? How many refugees are they putting up?

Can't any of those Muslim societies do something to help their fellow Muslims, or do I just not see what they are doing?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2015 - 08:41am PT
Larry, don't troll us, please. Why would a refugee with half a brain want to go to another
shithole country in the ME?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:06am PT
Revenge, rather than willingness to compromise or submit to the victors, is the traditional response of Islamist Muslims to the defeat of Muslim armies. And for them, this battle has no front line and is not limited to a few years or even decades. They think in terms of conflict spread over generations.

A call for jihad against British rule in India, for example, resulted in an underground movement that began in 1830 and lasted well until the 1870s, with remnants periodically surfacing well into the 20th century.

The fundamentalist interpretation of Islam is not a common mode of thinking for most Muslims, especially in recent times. But it is clearly driving the political agenda in Muslim countries. Not all Muslim modernisers are willing to confront the anti-Western and anti-Semitic beliefs that feed the Islamist narrative. The Islamists are dominating the discourse within the Muslim world by murdering secularists and forcing many of them to leave their countries.

With over 1.4 billion Muslims around the globe, the swelling of the fundamentalist ranks poses serious problems. If only 1 per cent of the world’s Muslims accepts this uncompromising theology, and 10 per cent of that 1-per cent decide to commit themselves to a radical agenda, we are looking at a one million strong recruitment pool for groups such as al-Qaeda, IS and whatever comes next.

Only a concerted ideological campaign against medieval Islamist ideology, like the one that discredited and contained communism, could turn the tide.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11996879/Islams-civil-war-between-medievalists-and-modernisers.html

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:10am PT
Reilly,
Are you implying that the majority of the refugees want to go where there is more comfort with free stuff,
and the embedded terrorists among them want to go where their bad actions get better press?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:10am PT
So Werner are you saying eliminatination of the crankloon corruptors will calm the beast? What about isolating them, let them duke it out amongst themselves, redraw their own borders, return to the dark ages without benefit of trade in or out?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:30am PT
Why do we need French dudes with figure eights? According to the chief Putin already did the job we wouldn't do.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:34am PT
Larry posted
Why do the refugees prefer to go to European countries instead of other Muslim countries in the ME?
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan, Morocco are all stable and have safe harbors for Sunni or Shia, no?

Larry, you could do some very basic research and get the answers to these questions. Jordan and Lebanon absorbed almost the entire first wave of Syrian refugees (1 million people in Lebanon, .6 million in Jordan) in countries with only 5-6 million to start with (and 0.5 million Palestinian refugees already). They are essentially "full" and so people are heading in other directions. Turkey has absorbed over 2 million and if you head to Turkey and it's full, what's after that...the rest of Europe. All you have to do is look at a map to figure out why not many people are heading for Kuwait or the UAE.

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:35am PT
Larry, I think it is mostly the ignominy of living next to an oil well and having to cook
using dried camel pucks for fuel.
Karen

Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:45am PT
The way Isis treats women they all deserve to die. Line those monsters up and shoot them execution style!!!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:47am PT
Why do we need French dudes ...

"WE"?


Ummm... as of last Friday it has become the "French's" fight. "We" had our chance but apparently "we" did not actually "contain them" as our POTUS BS'd us all hours prior to the French experiencing what "we" told the world that "we" supposedly, "contained".

Our new strategy is going to rename them, "Daesh" and that is supposedly going to motivate them to lay down their weapons and give up. Kind of like shooting water from a squirt gun at a hornets nest and expecting them to leave the nest and never come back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/11/kerry-daesh-isil_n_6309664.html

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:53am PT
'We' also do not bomb targets in Syria. How's that sposed to 'contain' them?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:58am PT
I'm telling you, massive and disseminated airdrops of vintage Playboy could do the trick. still, we shouuld dose 'em all for good measure.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Nov 16, 2015 - 09:58am PT
We "contain" them or not, at our borders. The internep, says the floodgates are wide open. Hillary might as well turn over all of her resources to Biden. She's toasted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/europe/obama-says-paris-attacks-have-stiffened-resolve-to-crush-isis.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

ANTALYA, Turkey — President Obama declared on Monday that his strategy for defeating the Islamic State is working despite last week’s horrific attacks in Paris, forcefully rejecting calls for escalating the use of military force in the Middle East and turning away Syrian refugees in the United States.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 10:13am PT
HDDJ,
Thanks for the link.
Here is another interactive link I may have posted earlier, but it only shows the flow into Europe which lead to my perspective.
It also shows refugees and immigrants from more than just one area and the flow from everywhere into Europe is astounding.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/10/28/map-that-shows-how-huge-europes-refugee-crisis-really-is?cmpid=tp-fb

Many countries in Europe were blocking their borders before the outrageous attacks in Paris.
Easy to see that it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2015 - 10:14am PT
But, but, but chief, you already told us Putin took care of business!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 10:21am PT
But But But where did I state BRUCE that "putin TOOK care" of anything?

Appears you too need to put on your glasses as well.





Pssssssssssst, I mentioned that Putin is "GOING TO" take care of business. And it appears that your POTUS doesn't like what Putin is doing without supposedly asking him first?

"But But Vladimir, We have them Contained!"
philo

climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 10:33am PT
BWAAAAAAKKK.
Chickenhawks squawking.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2015 - 11:24am PT
"Where did I state Bruce, that Putin "took care" of anything?"






Note the words BEGINS TO DECIMATE THEM AZZHOLES WITH ZERO MERCY.
Putin shows up and begins to decimate them azzholes with zero mercy

Forgive me for thinking that DECIMATE meant you were saying he was taking care of business....hahahahaha!!!

You do know the meaning of the word DECIMATE right?
Norton

Social climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 11:29am PT
oh no!

should have back edited that bit of lying, huh sparky?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Nov 16, 2015 - 11:34am PT
Whatever happened to that Jordanian prince that was gonna take no mercy because of that horrific execution by fire of a Jordian soldier?
I'm not sure any other outraged country is making any more progress than US is.

Susan
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
Karen-

Locker just crawled out of another dumpster that was filled with camel droppings. It has impaired what's left of his sense of humor...as well as his sense of smell.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
Specifically, what should the President do differently?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
Putin shows up and BEGINS to decimate them azzholes with zero mercy

Forgive me for thinking that DECIMATE meant you were saying he was taking care of business....hahahahaha!!!

You do know the meaning of the word DECIMATE right?

You do know what the meaning of BEGINS is, right? Bruce.

BTW: Where in the definition of "DECIMATE" does it state anything in regards to completed...

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station

Nov 16, 2015 - 10:14am PT
But, but, but chief, you already told us Putin took care of business

dec·i·mate
ˈdesəˌmāt/
verb
verb: decimate; 3rd person present: decimates; past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated; gerund or present participle: decimating

1.
kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of.


OOOOFFFA!




Whatever happened to that Jordanian prince that was gonna take no mercy because of that horrific execution by fire of a Jordian soldier.

According to MONOLITH, they have taken the lead in all this ....

monolith

climber
state of being

Nov 15, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
Glad you recognize Muslim leaders are condemning the attack, Chief.

NOT ONE, NOT ONE

Are you sure Chief?

http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/jordan-assumes-leading-role-vs-islamic-state-militants-1.331231



Go figure...

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
Oooooooooo, good comeback!

Oooof!!!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:14pm PT
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!

Nov 15, 2015 - 03:53pm PT

Huh???...

What photoshopping of ASSES???...

I'd love to see them...





The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 16, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
Maybe NOT Locker, but they sure