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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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It would have remained a run of the mill fistfight.
Of course, we won't mention that hands and feet constitute the murder weapon in the United States two to three times as often as rifles, but that isn't a crisis we can exploit. Better to blame this on survivalists or unarmed victims (take your choice).
John
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Now if they all had been armed it would have never happened. Stupid unarmed sheeple.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Just use the term "firearms" and John's specious argument goes to hell.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Just use the term "firearms" and John's specious argument goes to hell.
Crankster, the Second Amendment isn't going anywhere. Just how do you propose to remove firearms (or any other armament) from thugs? Making something that's already illegal "illegaler?"
My real gripe is with the all-or-nothing aspect of the arguments I read on the firearms topic these days. Any change that makes it harder to buy firearms or ammo gets treated as if it's a total ban on firearms by the survivalists. Anything that doesn't disarm the public gets treated as a sellout to the "gun lobby" by the anti-gun fanatics.
Firearms control isn't taking better aim, nor is it firearms elimination. The idea is to make it harder for sociopaths to possess firearms without unduly restricting the public. To me, firearms control is like a safe. A safe doesn't prevent theft, it merely delays it, but that delay may be enough to deter some theft.
The NAU shooting isn't a mass murder, and I don't see how any law that passes constitutional muster could have kept a gun out of the perp's hands. Most school shootings lead to calls to ban thinkg like AR-15's, which are not involved in all that many killings, compared to other weapons, which was my point. The weapons that kills the most in this country (excluding vehicles as weapons) are pistols. Good luck getting those out of the "wrong" hands!
John
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Man, imagine a supertopo thread over every murder in the US today.
Someone tell Cmac he's gonna need some more storage space...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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"several of our students, two separate student groups got into a confrontation."
Sounds like a well regulated militia to me.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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John, there were 2 murders (maybe more) in the bay area recently by 3 losers who stole a gun from an unlocked car. Guns, guns, everywhere, of course some will be stolen and used in crimes. Leave the damn guns at home, for starters.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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The newspaper reported that Deputy Coconino County Attorney Ammon Barker said that after an argument turned into a fight, "The defendant then ran to his car, retrieved his [.40-caliber] gun and then went back to the fight … I just want to be clear, there is no indication of self-defense. The defendant shot four unarmed individuals, killing one of them."
In Florida it only matters if at the time he pulled the trigger he was in fear for his life, no?
Location, location, location.
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Well except if you are cop. In which case, where you are really doesn't matter. Even if you're no where at all.
Infamous service revolver?
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