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Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 6, 2018 - 02:37pm PT
Or...will a blue wave (ala the house goes Democratic) signal a shift to a balance of power and Wall Street has a favorable response?

Guess we'll see tomorrow. And, the balance of the year.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 6, 2018 - 02:42pm PT
tomorrows response won't really be about the election rather it will be about how the election compares to what the market has already factored in. i.e., most think the house will go blue and that should already be factored into the market
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 6, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
You want to see a low?

If there is a blue wave at the polls you'll see one.

What the markets dislike is uncertainty,.. which should be settled by tomorrow's open.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
Here's some long-term good news, if you believe it. Marketwatch says midterm elections are good for the markets.

Since 1946, there have been 18 midterm elections. Stocks were higher 12 months after every single one. Every single one. That’s 18 for 18. Even though we’ve had every possible political combination in the past 72 years. Republican president with Democratic Congress. Democratic president with Republican Congress. Republican president and Congress. Democratic president and Congress.

Since 1946, stocks have risen an average of 17% in the year after a midterm. And if you measure from the yearly midterm lows, the results are even better. From their lows, stocks jumped an average of 32% over the next 12 months. For perspective, that’s more than double the average performance for stocks in all years. We’re also entering the third year of a presidential term, which is historically the strongest year for stocks.

Take a look at this chart. You can see that the performance of stocks in the third year of a presidential term beats all other years by a long shot:

Look at the chart above, and you’ll notice the second year of the presidential cycle is typically the worst for stocks. That’s the year we’re in right now — the year when midterms occur.

There’s one last important point you should know. Leading up to midterms, U.S. stocks typically perform poorly. From January to October in midterm years, they drop an average of roughly 1%. In all other years, stocks rise roughly 7% in that time frame.

Think of midterm elections like a thick fog covering markets. They obscure what the political situation will look like in the near future. Unable to see what’s coming, investors get nervous and act cautiously. Just as they would slow down while driving a car through a thick fog. Once the election concludes and the fog clears, investors regain confidence and the market gets back on track. This year is following that script to a T.

For all the market’s gyrations in the past few weeks, the S&P 500 is roughly flat this year. If we stay on script, we should expect the market to surge in November after the uncertainty of the elections is behind us.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-whats-happened-to-stocks-after-every-midterm-election-since-world-war-ii-2018-11-05
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Nov 6, 2018 - 04:07pm PT
Attempting to blame the decision on fiduciary duty on the "courts" instead of on the Republican politicians is quite silly.

Many important decisions these days are determined far more by the politics of the judge than by any other factor.

The decision was 2-1.

2 of the justices appointed by Republican presidents outvoted the 1 justice appointed by a Democrat.

trumpy is on a massive roll to continue stuff the federal courts with more such plutocrat appointments, against the wishes of the majority of citizens.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
IMHO Jerome Powell ‘gets it’ a hell of a lot better than some TV clown show host.
Does anyone think Cramer looks at 1/10th the data that Powell does? Not to mention
Powell has way more and way more smarter people than the clown show host. Do you
seriously think Cramer even knows what a DSGE model is?

Scary? Seriously? We don’t live in Venezuela or Argentina, Moose.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2018 - 09:08pm PT
Argentina is hardly a third world country although Venezuela may soon be. You may be too
if you persist in yer simplistic thinking. The Fed is not one person. Fed chairpeople are
merely the Fed’s face and voice. The Fed is a large part of what keeps us from becoming an
Argentina, a Greece, or an Italy. There are things beyond even the Fed’s control.
They’re called crankloons, no doubt you’ve heard of them? Believe it or not DSGE models
attempt to factor in crankloons’ behavior, but it is difficult because just when you think it’s
safe to go back into the water a new bigger and crazier crankloon comes along.

{cue the theme from Jaws}

Also, you libtards all love anything to do with Europe and the EU. Do you think the European
Central Bank is demonstrably different from the Fed, other than being rather pussy-footed?

BTW, if one didn’t know better one could be tempted into accusing you of consorting with
Bolshy Jacobins, or even purebred crankloons!
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Nov 16, 2018 - 10:43am PT
Reilly you were making a lot of sense and informed comments....why throw the "libtard" jab into the discussion at the end?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 16, 2018 - 03:38pm PT
TV, if you knew anything about recessions and Republican administrations you'd pray for blue wave.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 20, 2018 - 11:06am PT
all three indexes now in the negative for the year.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 20, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
Gary, trolling again? Try reading the post. I wasn't praying for anything.

And even with the smurf wave things are way down (I made some buys).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2018 - 02:28pm PT
Briham, I throw it in just to make sure yer paying attention,
and to keep the waters roiled. I hate a calm.
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Nov 28, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
and to keep the waters roiled. I hate a calm.

haha fair enough...

Tech is feeling the pain right now. What are everyone's thoughts on Apple?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2018 - 04:56pm PT
I found this news "somewhat" alarming this morning:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/fed-warns-of-a-particularly-large-plunge-in-market-prices/ar-BBQcVHu?pfr=1

The Federal Reserve issued a cautionary note Wednesday about risks to financial stability, saying trade tensions, geopolitical uncertainty and a buildup in corporate debt among firms with weak balance sheets pose potentially strong threats.

In what is often a boiler plate report on conditions in the banking system and corporate and business debt, the Fed instead warned of "generally elevated" asset prices that "appear high relative to their historical ranges."

In addition, the central bank said ongoing trade tensions, which are running high between the U.S. and China, coupled with an uncertain geopolitical environment could combine with the high asset prices to provide a notable shock.

"An escalation in trade tensions, geopolitical uncertainty, or other adverse shocks could lead to a decline in investor appetite for risks in general," the report said. "The resulting drop in asset prices might be particularly large, given that valuations appear elevated relative to historical levels."

The drop in asset prices would make it more difficult for companies to get funding, "putting pressure on a sector where leverage is already high," the report said.

The report further noted that the Fed's own rate hikes could pose a threat. A market and economy used to low rates could face issues as the Fed continues to normalize policy through rate hikes and a reduction in its balance sheet, or portfolio of bonds it purchased to stimulate the economy.

"Even if central bank policies are fully anticipated by the public, some adjustments could occur abruptly, contributing to volatility in domestic and international financial markets and strains in institutions," the report said.

Of course, in response to the above news the major U.S. stock indexes were up substantialy today, once again, proving I know nothing about what drives stock buying or selling.

Or ---- was this just an example of a reverse application of the old adage? "Buy on the rumor, sell on the news!"
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
“Buy into greed, sell into fear.”
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Nov 28, 2018 - 11:04pm PT
Powell indicated that rate hikes will likely pause or cease after the next one

Isn't this an indicator of a slow down? I feel like the markets are short term bumping on this news, but the FED not raising rates usually is followed by a downturn / recession. Typically the rates are a lot higher than they are now though....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 29, 2018 - 05:52am PT
No, they were up because Powell indicated that rate hikes will likely pause or cease after the next one and that he views that level as being the neutral rate at that point despite being on the low end historically.

Thankfully, the Trump economy has has allowed the Fed to steadily raise rates above the less than 0.4% level we saw throughout Obama's presidency.

Take that, Heddon!!!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 29, 2018 - 07:41am PT

Scary
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 29, 2018 - 09:02am PT
Projections like the above are also crude fantasies. Presumably Trump will be gone in two years and Hillary will rein in the fiscal madness.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 2, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
Big ups on the Sunday night index futures open.
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