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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
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Global warming is a geologic fact. (Climbers can see this) Obvious Ice age cycles.
Weather has cycles ( It will probably get colder/wetter again before it gets warmer)
Humans probably accelerated warming. It's probably too late.
Carbon tax is psycho because it makes pollution okay.
To survive as a species we must learn to live without creating pollution. We must achieve a zero filth factor.
We must learn to live and expand while protecting and ensuring the survival of other species as well. Even mosquitos.
We must learn to survive despite climate change, both warming and cooling.
We need to live with responsibility, relentless positive hope, and a firm decision that we will win no matter what.
Glad to see back Chief, I like your input.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
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Fat lot of good all that corporate money is doing the two prime corporatist candidates.
(Hildebeast and Jeb)
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
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Mark Force:
Ever heard of these two Grandfathers of Corporation dudes and the powerful influence they both had on the local, state and national Elections between the late 1850's till the day they died?
Keep trying folks........... Next.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Hey "The Chief", ever hear of reality? Here and now.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^ So are you going to state that this country's History is no longer part of the reality we all live today. That we must totally dismiss everything of the past in order to back up your claims to influence your agendas.
Gee... sounds like what a group of fanatics are currently doing in SW Asia.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Sometimes it is good to just listen and forget who is saying it......
Spider Savage....GREAT points, and I would add the internet makes this misinformation problem worse. Little to no fact checking....THAT needs to get fixed as there is too much information out there already.
In this discussion I feel the Chief IS here and now! History IS reality, and we are in one sense or another, repeating it. As a country we have always had to fight this problem. Now just happens to be another critical time in our history. Repeal the Citizen's United decision. ASAP.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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Chief, Yep. Their activities led to the anti-trust laws in the US that were put in place to preserve competition and a free market.
Mark Force: What does your above post have anything to do with my point of their influence on the election process in this country during their days on earth. The same exact BS that you all are whining about is happening today.
BTW: Sell that line of bull Mark Force to Bill Gates and Microsoft. Now that's a whole other story.
As a country we have always had to fight this problem.
Precisely. All since the very first National eledtion. Fact check that and you'll see the insanity that occurred then.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:57pm PT
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The Citizens United decision is an ugly mole on something with 4th stage metastatic malignant melanoma.
Thinking that by operating within the current accepted framework will accomplish anything is a waste of time and energy. It's designed to give the sheep an illusion of choice. Just look at the camps immediately split into red vs. blue on this thread.
The whole thing needs a reboot. Unfortunately few will have the stomach for that or the means to make a dent there. With so many accustomed to the way things are, the criminals will likely continue their plunder until they can't.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Aug 23, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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Getting rid of Citizens United (see Newspeak from 1984, George Orwell) is a good place to start. I've put in my time writing to the people that are supposed to represent me and given some money toward that cause.
A step on the path.
Or, you can just bitch.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Get rid of Unions Mark Force... same ole same ole. Shall we get into how much influence Union's have had on the election process in the country since their inception?
Amazing how all candidates have fought front and foremost to get the backing of the AFL/CIO since the mid 50's.
Dump both the AFL/CIO and CIT UNITED. They are one in the same just different party lines.
Also, ban both goons such as George Soros & the KOCH's and ANY entity that are attached to them. ANY!
It is an never ending cycle ON both sides of the aisle with so many different factions/entities that want to influence the outcome of the elections. That is the reality. Has been since the very first elections held in this country. Fact.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 23, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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To survive as a species we must learn to live without creating pollution. We must achieve a zero filth factor.
To survive as a species we need to stop breeding like rats and that's the reality even if we had a zero filth factor.
Bernie is our best chance.
Bernie is a great guy with lots of the right ideas, but unfortunately wouldn't last a minute in his first political knife fight.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
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Bernie is our best chance.
Otherwise, we are facing revolution. It will be not pretty.
Bernie gets elected there will be a revolution.
Good Post Healyje. +1
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 23, 2015 - 02:15pm PT
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Case and point is, it does not matter who gets elected. International corporations are running the show now, not the President. Puppet on a string. Citizens United decision sold us down the road, sold our country, put a price tag on control. Control of us, control of our natural resources, and control of our military and everything else. We are at war not because we are being attacked, but because it is in a corporation's or "stock holder's" best interest for us to do so.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 23, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
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Bernie is a great guy with lots of the right ideas, but unfortunately wouldn't last a minute in his first political knife fight.
+1
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
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STUDLY: Of course this did absolutely NOTHING along the lines of what you post above.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/congress-approves-president-obamas-international-trade-deal/
We are at war not because we are being attacked, but because it is in a corporation's or "stock holder's" best interest for us to do so.
Just as JFK was motivated to get us directly involved in SE Asia. And his predecessor remained, escalated and kept us there where ten times the amount of young American's were KIA'd and over 36 times more were cycled in to fight (over 80% of those were forced to via the draft) than both of the last two wars. But that does not count. They were Democrats.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 23, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
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Roger that on all in one thread
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 23, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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Bernie IS a revolution but then so was President Obama.
Put Bernie in office next year and after 4 or 8 years he'll come out looking like a Bush.
A solid knowledge of history is very important to good decision making. I'd like to see candidate credentials in this area.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 23, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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If you're paying attention you'll notice that the issue of campaign finance reform gets as much play as....well, it's not being talked about at all. Heard Trump bring it up?
As a matter of fact just last week... And has soooooooooo many times the past 3 months.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
No cranks... I'm not planning on voting for him.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Aug 23, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
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Thanks, yes, but he's not addressing the issue. He's saying, "hey, elect me, I got lots of money. I don't need these people". I could poke holes in that theory all night, but, obviously, it doesn't change the system unless only billionaires willing to spend their own money run for president.
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