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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 25, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
Seriously? Clearly you've never been in the military.

DMT

Good one, Dingus.

You'ze a funny dude.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 25, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
SO! Regardless the Koch Bros and all the evil money involved, your statement pretty much sums up the reality of what happens in the current election process.

It totally moots your reason for backing up the abolishment of the CU. They, the Citz Union, in fact were pretty heavily active during both of those elections in which Obama was elected and re-elected. were they not?

Obama won both times because he had a better campaign and favorable circumstances. And he was the better candidate. Neither race was close.

The new money provided by CU makes a difference in close races. The GOP kicked ass in 2014. There were a number of reasons for their success. SuperPac / 527 / Dark pools were a major factor.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
Ah EdwardT you completely forgot the fact that over 65% of the dem voters decided to not get off their couches and go vote. I believe that played a major role in the last elections.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 25, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
Dingus, Edward and probably the rest of the progs missed the point.

Not surprising at all.

I'll spell it out.

How would mandatory service be any less restrictive or potentiality discriminatory than a poll tax?

Requiring labor (service)for a vote would be the same as requiring the proceeds of ones labor. It would be the same thing as a poll tax.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Aug 25, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
Oh the Irony of it all....


1904
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 25, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
The chief...you keep hanging out with those scandinavians and i'm going to start calling you el coyote...rj
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
You know better than that RJ... "El Lobo Negro" would be far more appropriate for that region... know what I mean amigo!
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 25, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
Not dodging anything Chief. But once again your number are WAY off.
From the link you posted these are the MAXIMUM individual tax rates. Trust me when I say I'm nowhere near that rate. In every country listed the minimum is 0.
Canada-50%
Germany-45%
Switzerland-13.2%
Sweden-59.7%
France-45%
Iceland-46%
United States-55.9%

Both Canada and the US figures include State (provincial) and local taxes in the max figure.

For a look at what a more average earner (still more than me) pays go here
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/how-low-are-us-taxes-compared-to-other-countries/267148/

I'm not gonna quote the numbers (cause it's a horrible graphic for old eyes) but the spread is between just under 20% (Switzerland) up to around 45% (Germany) with the US coming in at just under 30%.


So when you say
So then you currently voluntarily pay 60% of your current wages to the State of CA and the IRS do ya? How admirable of you.
I have to assume your just making shet up to try to prove a point.


I did the actual math and the cost of diesel (that's what the big yellow van, my girlfriend's, uses) is $1.30/liter today in Germany. That's 1.59 times the current cost of $3.09/gallon at the Raley's in Tahoe.
So when you say
And I hope you don't plan on driving or just plain travelling often cus gas and transportation expenses are 4 to 5 times the cost it is in Tahoe.
I have to assume your just making shet up to try to prove a point.


I'm not a fan of Walmart either. However, when we travel the country in the Bumble Beast we will often avail ourselves of their parking lot campground policy. It's nice to have a toilet when you wake up. We have added a luggable loo to the van's arsenal so we'll see if we still do that in the future.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
Like I said there Gumby, Germany has many TOLLS on the Autobahn, higher Insurance (*Cost for auto insurance, did you even bother to look that up? NO!) and Taxes added onto the ride. The Cost of "desiel" aint the only gig in town. It aint America.

Auto Insurance in Germany:
In Germany, you are usually going to spend around €1400 for auto insurance on a yearly basis. This part of Europe is also notorious for rather laid back speed limits and traffic laws, which allows for more excitement while drivers are on the road. The expensive cars and high speed limits make this country an insurance company’s nightmare.

1400 Euro = 1611 US

Road TOLLS in Germany:

All drivers using highways, or "Autobahnen," in Germany will have to pay the fee, including motorists from abroad...

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-approves-contentious-road-toll/a-18345291


Your post above just confirms that YOU HAVE NEVER been to Germany nor any other country you mentioned.

You are just an internet fantasy young sheep Progressive that hasn't a real clue as to the REALITIES of the shet you think you know.

Again, thanks for confirming that.

I have to assume your just making shet up to try to prove a point.

Since you got it all figured out and if Germany, Sweden, France, Iceland etc are such a grand place to live, then I highly suggest you grow a pair, put your mouth where it meets the autobahn and move.

Then you can have first hand experience and tell me I am all wrong based on that. Not by googling it.

But, You're all talk and that it'll never happen. Never.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 25, 2015 - 10:06pm PT
I already mentioned I have no plans to move, nor will I change my plans for you. I did however, know you would say that because you're really quite predictable. And I have been to England, Germany, Austria and France. No I didn't stay there for an extended period, but I did rear end a guy in traffic in Munich. Does that count? I will be in Canada ths winter using up my mountain collective pass.
Also, I don't know where you got the idea that I'm a young progressive. I used to be a young republican but that lasted from Reagan through Clinton. I always considered myself fiscally on the right and socially on the left. Then I stopped chasing the American dream realizing it was more of a nightmare.

On the other hand, perhaps you know I'm not so young since YOU keep SHOUTING as THOUGH I'm HARD of hearing.

BTW, if you're gonna put a word in quotes for sarcastic emphasis, spell it correctly.


By the way#2. Did you read the article you linked? It doesn't take effect until next year if the EU doesn't strike it down, which they are trying to do. It also doesn't apply to many people, and many of those it does apply to will receive it back in tax rebates.
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Aug 25, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
"can't you see...
oh can't you see...
what this troll
he has been doin' to me!"

Well played, Sir!
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
On the other hand, perhaps you know I'm not so young since YOU keep SHOUTING as THOUGH I'm HARD of hearing.
HUH... You got some special computer that verbalizes text?

"By the way. Did you read the article you linked? It doesn't take effect until next year if the EU doesn't strike it down, which they are trying to do. It also doesn't apply to many people, and many of those it does apply to will receive it back in tax rebates.

Apparently you can not read too well either cus it states nothing of the sorts.

The German lower house, or Bundestag, passed the road toll legislation on Friday with a vote of 433-128, with six abstentions.
Although the upper house, the Bundesrat, will review the legislation at the start of May, it has no power to stop its implementation, meaning that the toll, which has provoked heated debate in Germany, will likely be introduced next year.

All drivers using highways, or "Autobahnen," in Germany will have to pay the fee, including motorists from abroad, but the German-registered drivers - who will automatically pay the toll for both highways and major roads - will receive the money back indirectly by paying less motor vehicle tax.

For this reason, the toll will be reviewed by the European Court of Justice - the highest court for European Union law - to determine whether it contravenes EU rules on discrimination.

Drivers from outside Germany will be able to pay toll for a year, ten days or two months, at corresponding prices. In addition, the price of the toll will be determined according to the size of vehicles and the amount of polluting emissions they produce.
http://www.dw.com/en/germany-approves-contentious-road-toll/a-18345291


"I already mentioned I have no plans to move"


But But But what happen to being all for this....


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Ah, thank god you were just playing the Progessive BS game and imitating one. Was getting worried that there was another one in the ST line up.


Edit:

I did rear end a guy in traffic.....

That of course was with your rental, car, that is.... correct? Poot Poot.
overwatch

climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 11:18pm PT
f*#king NPD convention
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 11:39pm PT
JEleazarian,
An excellent synopsis of points supporting the Supreme's decision
Your points on media corporations and public employee unions are spot on.

Money is the mother's milk.
If influence is being bought, who's selling it?
It buys ads, and voters buy or don't buy the message.

For myself, buyer beware.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 25, 2015 - 11:43pm PT
HUH... You got some special computer that verbalizes text?
I guess it went over your head. Oh well.


Apparently you can not read too well either cus it states nothing of the sorts.
Yes. It absolutely does. Remember, we're discussing what it's like to live there. Not what it's like for me to visit there. I would be a german-registered driver. Otherwise why would I be paying the exorbitant taxes you keep harping about?

Ah, thank god you were just playing the Progessive BS game and imitating one. Was getting worried that there was another one in the ST line up.
I never said I'm not a progressive (can we just call it a liberal, I'm not down with the rebranding). I said I didn't use to be. I am a liberal. But it's something I've been moving toward since coming out of college a staunch Republican with a degree in finance.

Yeah, it was a rental car. Just saying I was there and adding a vehicle related anecdote, mostly for humor.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 25, 2015 - 11:45pm PT
And also to lighten things up, maybe we can agree on this.
America was greater when a razor only came with a maximum of three blades.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 26, 2015 - 12:12am PT
Yes. It absolutely does. Remember, we're discussing what it's like to live there. Not what it's like for me to visit there. I would be a german-registered driver.

Ok. I will give you that one. BUT you're gonna now have to pay that nice $1500 a year in Auto Insurance and them other nice fatass "individual" taxes upwards of 45% and a Payroll tax of around 41%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates


OK.. got the new computer all smoothed out and up. GN---Gumby.

BTW, when I started shaving there was only one solid blade in my shaver.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 26, 2015 - 12:49am PT
Ok. I will give you that one. BUT you're gonna now have to pay that nice $1500 a year in Auto Insurance and them other nice fatass "individual" taxes upwards of 45% and a Payroll tax of around 41%
Please stop. There is no 'upwards of 45%'. 45% is the maximum. That amount kicks in at a taxable income of 250k euro (equates to $270k-$350k in the last year).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany
Yes the payroll tax is 41%. Half is paid by the employer and the part you pay reduces your taxable income. This is where the health insurance and social security come from).
Oh yeah. Free college.

Yes taxes are relatively high in Germany. But like many German cars you're getting what you pay for. I'm ok with that.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 26, 2015 - 01:10am PT
Oh yeah. Free college.

True, They don't look at college students as a profit center and debt mules.
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