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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:36pm PT
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So has Werner realized that he's one of the 6 people that he's always bagging on?
Blue, MSM is a "big" part of the problem? Since when? If only they would call it radical Islam the problem would go away!!
Maybe you should read a little more history bro...
FVck Trump.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Stoopor topo poltards Sunday meltdown in action .......
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
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They are misleading us. The real topic is radical Islam. They will not bring themselves to confront it. And it will continue.
They are misleading us
The real topic is radical Islam
And the real topic is radical anybody and that we have more guns than people. And as long as we will not bring ourselves confront it, it will continue.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
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So, Omar Mateen had threatened coworkers with using his supposed ISIS terrorist buddies to hurt them....then, he had an acquaintance who went on to become a suicide bomber...and FBI knew that all along and even questioned him about it but backed out...Nice job.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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You forgot he got to keep his concealed carry permit. It's his second amendment right.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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"And the real topic is radical anybody and that we have more guns than people"
No, Kalifornistan for sure doesn't have nearly enough guns for it's "people" to protect themselves from criminal thug animals, in many parts.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:49pm PT
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"You forgot he got to keep his concealed carry permit. It's his second amendment right."
His victims fell to liberal brainwash that police will protect them, and that they don't need guns or permits to carry such, it seems like.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
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This only happens regularly in the US of A.
And Israel, Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan and a half dozen nations in Africa.
Radical Islam is an international phenomenon, and has been for a long time.
The first U.S. President to ask Congress for funds to combat radical Islamic terrorism was . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . Thomas Jefferson.
The United States' 1801 invasion of Tripoli is still remembered in the Marine Corps' hymn.
And, long before that, Islamic fundamentalists were a prime reason that the Pope ordered Europeans to commence various military campaigns in the Middle East, known today as The Crusades.
Islam has had a radical approach to non-believers from the outset. The Koran requires that true believers must capture and plunder infidels, and if they don't convert, to kill them.
Today, 99+% of Muslims don't adhere to this fundamental interpretation of Islamic scripture.
Similarly, 99+% of Christian husbands don't take the Bible literally, and beat their wives into submission.
The Spanish Inquisition was conducted in the name of radical Christianity. The wholesale enslavement and slaughter of native Americans on two continents was done in the name of Christianity.
Scientology is a modern, allegedly progressive and enlightened religion that very specifically calls for the attack and destruction of "suppressive persons" (i.e., former members, non-believers, critics and detractors).
Religious fanaticism is the gift that keeps on giving.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
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I wonder if it's London or Paris that will be the capital of radical Islam in 20 years
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
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Blue, MSM is a "big" part of the problem? Since when? If only they would call it radical Islam the problem would go away!!
Maybe you should read a little more history bro...
FVck Trump.
Nice, I'm feeling a bit of misguided rage there. Okay, F*#k Trump. Let us discuss history.
Where would you like to start? Seriously, pick a date. I'll describe the problem to you precisely.
And are others aware and ready for such a lesson? Can you handle the truth? It isn't a pretty one for Islam, just so ya know.
But lets do this...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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OK Blue. 1095
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
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Where was the Caliphate in 1095, help me out. What stage? That must have been after the first initial conquest,?
I could Google it, but why pick that date?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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I could Google it, but why pick that date?
Because you asked for a date. And it does have significance. So maybe you're not as well read as you thought..
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:17pm PT
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So, ISIS claimed responsibility for this act already, the guy swore allegiance to ISIS in his 911 call, and prior to that had suicide bomber friends and threatened people with ISIS, and on top of that the father had been running for President of Afghanistan. The guy holds FL security officer license. Absolutely brilliant FBI work. Yep, Trump's point just got more clear.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:17pm PT
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FBI knew that all along and even questioned him about it but backed out.
One of the precogs had a dissenting vision, a minority report, that predicted a different future.
It may have been prudent for the FBI to watch him more closely, but legal due process does not (yet) comprise preventing crime by predicting the future.
Certainly, making criminal violent threats should have resulted in his 2nd Amendment rights being revoked right then, and his guns taken from him.
The 2nd Amendment doesn't grant lunatics and emotionally disturbed people the right to keep and bear arms, so that they can attack fellow citizens.
If you incite a riot with an incendiary public speech, the 1st Amendment is not going to keep you out of jail.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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And, long before that, Islamic fundamentalists were a prime reason that the Pope ordered Europeans to commence various military campaigns in the Middle East, known today as The Crusades.
Islam has had a radical approach to non-believers from the outset. The Koran requires that true believers must capture and plunder infidels, and if they don't convert, then to kill them.
Wow. This is a complete perversion of history.
The byzantines ( Christians) massacred the Jews of Jerusalem in the early 600's and they asked for help from Persian and Muslim rulers.
When they took over the city, Jews lived in peace and Christians were permitted pilgrimages. Each time the Christians gained the city, there was a massacre. Each time the Muslims took it over, there was not. And except for a few years during actual sieges, pilgrimages continued.
All over the Muslim World, other religions were left alone if people paid a tax (Jizya), which was roughly comparable to the Tithes, taxes, and dutys Muslims paid.
And one of the first cities that got razed to the ground by Crusaders was Constantinople, by the very Christian radical armies the Pope sent to the holy land.
It seems there was more loot in Christian Constantinople.
When the ottomans took over Constantinople in 1453, the Greek church stayed, and are still there today. ( the Ottoman's greatest ally, btw, was Christian France, which was surrounded by the Holy Roman Empire)
a similar cycle went on in Spain. Other religions were permitted in Muslim Spain. Some of the greatest Jewish scholars lived in Cordoba. Queen Elizabeth claims here descent from Mohammed through the marriage of a Muslim prince of Valencia and a Christian princess.
Within 20 years of the reconquista , all Jews and Muslims in Spain were expelled or killed despite promises of religious tolerance.
Ferdinand and Isabela were radical Religious extremists.
And the popes biggest crusade was the Albigensian crusade against other Christians. That's radicalism.
Let's not even get into how Bloody Mary got her name.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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Yes, let's just disarm everyone so that only the police is armed. Will be easier to herd the cattle behind the barbwire/into the camps, and put aside all rhetoric about "slave labor" from then on.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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Trump is the topic, his platform includes elimination of terrorist threat and protection of gun rights, so do stay on topic rather than spewing insults towards his supporters.
Anti-gun crowd...the only thing that holds you somewhat free is the large number of guns in American homes. If not that, someone would be knocking on your door, telling whom to vote for in the next election, long time ago, as you'd be a helpless, defenseless drop in the pond.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
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So, ISIS claimed responsibility for this act already, the guy swore allegiance to ISIS in his 911 call, and prior to that had suicide bomber friends and threatened people with ISIS, and on top of that the father had been running for President of Afghanistan. The guy holds FL security officer license. Absolutely brilliant FBI work. Yep, Trump's point just got more clear.
God bless the 2nd amendment and the NRA. Notice how free brave people with guns keep preventing these slaughters?
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