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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:44pm PT
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There were no free people with guns in that club.
People clearly didn't carry, and couldn't defend themselves.
Isn't it clear? What else needs to be said? If they were armed, he wouldn't shoot for long!
Guess what, brainwash that police will protect you doesn't work, ever.
By the time they get on site, you're harmed. Enough anti-gun brainwash.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
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God bless the 2nd amendment and the NRA. Notice how free brave people with guns keep preventing these slaughters?
Uh.....no? There have been 998 mass shootings in America since Newtown. How many have been prevented by armed citizens exactly?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:44pm PT
There were no free people with guns in that club.
People clearly didn't carry, and couldn't defend themselves.
Do you expect him to admit he's wrong? Never will.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:50pm PT
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I think a lot of people would prefer the freedom to go to clubs and church or wherever unarmed without the expectation of a gunfight.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:51pm PT
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Big city people don't carry--as in most cases they're not allowed by loaw--and think police will protect thema nd that everyone around "ought" to be nice and law-abiding and are ready to bend over for the rest, who're not so good... In Winnemucca NV the shooter run into a wrong crowd--and got stopped. There should be more food for thought for such. Polite society is only the armed society.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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"I think a lot of people would prefer the freedom to go to clubs and church or wherever unarmed without the expectation of a gunfight."
Yes, and Santa is bringing the gifts too, in that dream world. Guess what if not shot, one can be blown up, hacked, cut, stabbed with hiv-infected blade, bashed on the head with a brick or dozed with acid or plowed with a truck in a public place. There's no wonderful fairytale safe world, it had never been this way.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
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Um, fantasy sort of like every other first world country except ours?
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:56pm PT
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"I am a US National living in Canada; we have controls on guns. Yet we managed to throw out a right wing prick in the last election without guns."
I hope you're enjoying Canadian home prices :))) Poor Canadians (I mean those who're not privileged). I guess everything has its drawbacks, like the fact that Chinese are buying out Canada right now.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 03:57pm PT
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"Um, fantasy sort of like every other first world country except ours?"
Yes, because America is the only country that comes close to being "free".
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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In Winnemucca NV the shooter run into a wrong crowd--and got stopped.
Two drunken families feuding in a bar is your argument for concealed carry?
LoL
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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There were no free people with guns in that club.
People clearly didn't carry, and couldn't defend themselves.
We have more guns than anywhere on the planet Earth. When are they going to start?
A Cadillac in every garage, a Howitzer in every driveway?
When are these gun freaks going to realize that their 2nd amendment rights won't stop these nut jobs?
Am I the only one that notices how here in America where we have more guns than anywhere, we also have more mass shootings than anywhere? How the fvck did that happen?
When is the 2nd amendment gonna start protecting the average citizen who doesn't want to pack heat 24 hrs a day? Because all the gun freaks haven't done sh#t to stop these psychos yet.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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Yes, because America is the only country that comes close to being "free".
You are geographically ignorant.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
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When are these gun freaks going to realize that their 2nd amendment rights won't stop these nut jobs?
What will, in your opinion?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
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More gawdang guns blue, that and racial profiling is the only answer!!
Death to all Muzzies!!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
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Omar Mateen is a registered Democrat, speaking of "NRA"
what's that have to do with anything?
thanks NRA.
I wonder how klimmer feels about this? I mean there were gays, and lesbians killed.
edit:Trump is the topic, his platform includes elimination of terrorist threat
so carpet bombing, or nuking someone in the ME will prevent homegrown terrorism?
you are delusional
Anti-gun crowd...the only thing that holds you somewhat free is the large number of guns in American homes. If not that, someone would be knocking on your door, telling whom to vote for in the next election, long time ago, as you'd be a helpless, defenseless drop in the pond.
I've been on this planet for over sixty-two years, and have never owned a gun. I've never felt the need for one. No one has never knocked on my door, and told me how to vote.
you are delusional, and you are showing your ignorance.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
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From the Washington Post:
It was promoted as the chance of a lifetime: Mom-and-pop investors could buy shares in celebrity businessman Donald Trump’s first public company, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts.
Their investments were quickly depleted. The company known by Trump’s initials, DJT, crumbled into a penny stock and filed for bankruptcy after less than a decade, costing shareholders millions of dollars, even as other casino companies soared.
In its short life, Trump the company greatly enriched Trump the businessman, paying to have his personal jet piloted and buying heaps of Trump-brand merchandise. Despite losing money every year under Trump’s leadership, the company paid Trump handsomely, including a $5 million bonus in the year the company’s stock plummeted 70 percent.
Many of those who lost money were Main Street shareholders who believed in the Trump brand, such as Sebastian Pignatello, a retired private investor in Queens. By the time of the 2004 bankruptcy, Pignatello’s 150,000 shares were worth pennies on the dollar.
“He had been pillaging the company all along,” said Pignatello, who joined shareholders in a lawsuit against Trump that has since been settled. “Even his business allies, they were all fair game. He has no qualms about screwing anybody. That’s what he does.”
Trump’s bid for the White House relies heavily on his ability to sell himself as a master businessman, a standout performer in real estate and reality TV.
But interviews with former shareholders and analysts as well as years of financial filings reveal a striking characteristic of his business record: Even when his endeavors failed and other people lost money, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee found a way to make money for himself, to market his Trump-branded products and to pay for his expensive lifestyle.
Trump was the chairman of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts in Atlantic City from 1995 to 2009, his only outing as the head of a major public company. During that time, the company lost more than $1 billion, financial records show. He also was chief executive from 2000 to 2005, during which time share prices plunged from a high of $35 to as low as 17 cents.
Trump received more than $44 million in salary, bonuses and other compensation during his time at the company, filings show. He also benefited from tens of millions of dollars more in special deals, advisory fees and “service agreements” he negotiated with his company.
Full article here: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/as-its-stock-collapsed-trump%e2%80%99s-firm-gave-him-huge-bonuses-and-paid-for-his-jet/ar-AAgWORF?li=BBnbfcN
And this is the man a bunch of people want to be President of the United States. Wow, just wow. He's in it for himself and that's it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 12, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
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I sit and laugh at you all now. I've prayed for the dead.
This will continue, over and over and over, until somebody decides to call a spade a spade and deal with the problem.
Instead, you'd rather consider people like me the problem. Carry on!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 12, 2016 - 05:28pm PT
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+1 MH
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 12, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
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Trump has deliberately marketed himself to a segment of the electorate that is nowhere near large enough to elect him.
Boy we sure hope you're right.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 12, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
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Horrific act. All I can do is think of the poor victims and their families.
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