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John Duffield
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New York
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Agreed, and something like my "cryptic" post upthread. But I think one term of the Donald or the Ben and people will realize why they need a professional politician.
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dirtbag
climber
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It ended six years ago but recovery has been ongoing.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Donald 'DUCK'!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Actually Obama mischaracterized the scenario. They handled the moderators fairly well.
You mean when they lied directly to the moderators faces by denying the facts that the moderators had in hand? Or when they didn't address the question that was asked, then rudely interrupted the moderators after their time was up by shouting "Don't you want me to answer? Don't you want to hear what I have to say?"
What a bunch of babies.
The truth is those candidates don't want a debate, they want a way to give stump speeches, because any question that digs into details is too tough for them to answer honestly.
And Carson on the GOP ticket, touting tithing? Yeah, right.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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K-man wrote:
What a bunch of babies.
The truth is those candidates don't want a debate, they want a way to give stump speeches, because any question that digs into details is too tough for them to answer honestly
That's always been true of politicians, every party, every year. That's how Obama has governed for near 7 years...campaign stump speeches.
But the irony of the democrats, inclucing Obama, refusing to debate on Fox News, 2 different times in 2008, is not perceived?
The clowns reside on both sides, and Washington DC is a cesspool of corruption and crony capitalism...which is why outsiders like Trump, Sanders & Carson are so fresh to so many.
Do you embrace the status quo?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I'm sorry, Larry but you can't really drop the "both sides do it" card on this. Republicans have for at least the last 20-30 years (and with increasing fervor) used the media as their victim card. Obama bombed in his first debate against Romney...I don't recall any of his staff blaming the moderator. Anderson Cooper was extremely direct and tough on the Democrats during the debate a few weeks ago and nobody blamed him for "being too tough" except for Jim "I need more time!" Webb who was roundly mocked by everyone.
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dirtbag
climber
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Actually, dingus, the last republican debate was held on CNBC, which tends to have a conservative bent.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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The first Republican debate was on FOX and when Trump didn't like the (perfectly good) question Megyn Kelly asked he screamed bloody murder (out of his whatever) until Ailes called and kissed his ass enough.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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True, debts do go up during a recession. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the Great Recession ending over 6 years ago.
And the deficit is only about 1/3 of what it was during the peak. Not to mention that the recovery is ongoing. And not to mention that with interest rates that were almost at zero percent, it would have been a great time to borrow money and rebuild a lot of crumbing infrastructure.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Well, it seems to me an exhibition of leadership---or not.
The debate was set up and negotiated IN ADVANCE, according to the requirements agreed upon by the Repugs---through their leadership at the RNC.
So, how did the do in this negotiation? Pretty poor, apparently.
But as the President correctly points out, if they can't handle negotiations with a network---who last time I looked had no weapons at all----what will be their approach to negotiating with PUTIN????
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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But as the President correctly points out, if they can't handle negotiations with a network---who last time I looked had no weapons at all----what will be their approach to negotiating with PUTIN????
Certainly better than the current POTUS, who has yet to demonstrate an ability to negotiate with anyone.
In reality, though, one could argue that CNBC did the Republicans a favor by demonstrating, in however small a measure, the media bias apparent to anyone familiar with objectivity.
John
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John M
climber
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As long as you are willing to admit the bias of Fox.
The notion that the media is liberal is sad in my opinion. It is biased according to who owns it. And it can be tweaked to look one way, while being another. Such as promoting liberal things like abortion and gay marriage, while promoting things like war or privatizing social security. In that mix, the conservatives would say it is liberal and the liberals would say it is conservative.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Of course I see the bias of Fox, which is why I seldom watch it. I'd rather get viewpoints that differ from mine.
That said, Fox and MSNBC at least don't spend much effort to disguise their biases, nor do they spend much time purporting to report fact rather than opinion. Compare that, if you will, to ABC, NBC or CBS.
I always go back to this example because I find it irrefutable. A few years back, ABC reported that the defense budget was increased 8%, but domestic spending was decreased 2%. The truth: defense spending was 8% higher than that of the previous year, domestic spending was 6% higher than the previous year.
While one might argue that 6% is a 2% cut from 8%, no one would know that existed without going to the budget document, and I contend that ABC intended that deception. The similar deceptions are legion.
John
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Norton
Social climber
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Certainly better than the current POTUS, who has yet to demonstrate an ability to negotiate with anyone.
oh barf,
cut your asinine constantly partisan crap talk, John you are smarter than that
why not act like it instead of slipping back into ignorant bitchism now and then
IF a President's ability to "negotiate" is SO important to you then why did you
vote for Bush twice, come on, damn I am tired of this sh#t
Why did you vote for Bush again in 2004 after the world knew he lied about Iraq?
but keeping taking any cheap ass shot you can at Obama, you ARE a Republican
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John M
climber
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I agree with you substantially, except for this..
That said, Fox and MSNBC at least don't spend much effort to disguise their biases,
Fox bills itself as unbiased continually, and is the most watched new source. Certainly it doesn't really hide its opinion, unless you are blind. but lots of people then appear to be blind.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Norton, Norton. You know you don't need to hold back with me. I can take it.
John
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Huge corporations benefit from their partnership with even bigger government.
They want a big government Democrat or a big government RINO running things.
Bush or Rubio (fox)
Hilary (everyone else)
are the horses they've picked to ride.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nah. The longer this drags on, the more I think it will be President the Donald.
I'll be reading all about it in Buenos Aires.
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