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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dean wrote: My last word for the 'science-minded' here on this thread, who tried their best to shout me down in my opinions
Coming from a guy who believes in Noah's Ark and various other fairly tales.
That is all you post is opinions coming from a book that was based on emotions.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Seriously now, Cragman...
you don't see where your thinking has serious flaws in it on this point you raised?
Busy day, I can't stick around, but just think about it. Seriously.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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I added to my comment.
But I detect sarcasm in your latest. Not the way the go.
Beta: Start here: (1) General Bio 101 (2) Cellular Biology 101 (3) Evolution 101
I got a soffit to repair now.
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philo
climber
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Again with the off topic obfuscation.
It really must be so uncomfortable to have to face being wRONg.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Rdog, didn't you get kicked out of here?
Why then do we still see you asinine drivel here?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I always find it interesting that men do a lot more shouting about what women should be able to do with their bodies. And lets face it, without the woman's body, the dividing cell has no chance at all. To me, it seems obvious that women should have a say in the matter, but men want them to be FORCED to carry their pregnancy, even if they don't want it. Yes it would be nice if they "chose" to carry the pregnancy, but short of that, should they be FORCED Dean?
And you do know that abortion will continue, legal or illegal. And I suppose you support turning them into criminals? More people in jail, in the biggest prison state on the planet?
The Supreme Court has spoken on this. It's the law of the land.
How about we save a few million lives from car wrecks, heart attacks and malaria?
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philo
climber
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If tolerance means acceptance of bald faced lies then call me intolerant.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Cragman,
it occurs to me I got one more beta action item to recommend...
to supplement the basic science...
The God Delusion,
by Richard Dawkins, 2006
He offers this bit, page 6, before getting started...
"Of course, dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to argument, their resistance built up over years of childhood indoctrination using methods that took centuries to mature..." -Dawkins
"Among the more effective immunological devices is a dire warning to avoid even opening a book like this, which is surely a work of Satan. But I believe there are plenty of open-minded people out there: people whose childhood indoctrination was not too insidious, or for other reasons didn't 'take', or whose native intelligence is strong enough to overcome it. Such free spirits should need only a little encouragement to break free of the vice of religion altogether." -Dawkins
But really we don't need Dawkins to remind us of this I don't think.
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philo
climber
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"I smell a big deposit".
In the future remember Poopourri works wonders.
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philo
climber
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It's a real live bonified product. Google their hilarious ads.
Check it out it'll mask everything butt poacher taint.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Ah, so Ron got a Yellow Card...
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philo
climber
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Why not start a new thread on your concern?
This just isn't the place.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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If what we humans need to do in order to be good people is to choose to call each other pathetic and laugh at each other and sentence each other to burn in hell in our own heads based on our belief in a fantastically illogical and unsupported belief system, then please by all means let's do that. It definitely beats raping and murdering an 8 year old girl as a 15 yr old boy, or owning slaves, or killing a lion, at least in our current human environment. Looking forward to seeing what the future will bring with as much humility as my awesome magically magnificent humanity can muster. Wishing us all well.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sorry Cragman. I thought those might have been your words. But I respect your integrity and the knowledge that you and cmac's database have about it, and trust that you'll do the right thing, however that looks to you. Thanks.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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I would imagine that the people that abhor what this guy did also abhor the human killing you are talking about Cragman. Why do you think that would not be the case? It's kind of a false way you are seeing it.
It is simply easier to focus on the Lion. He's a symbol of falseness and fakery. If that lion was not Cecil, nobody would know about the WAY these guys hunt. It would not stand up to the ethics test that we have to abide by in our sport of climbing. First and foremost, the guy likes to kill, and it's not even for the meat.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Cragman...Fruc...it's obvious you and Bob D'A have no response that is even close to cognizant.
How do you talk reason to a person who believes in Noah's Ark and believes the bible to be the written word of his personal God??
When was the world created and by who Cragman?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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This is not solely a moral issue anymore, it's a political one. The right knows this is causing outrage in their enemy, Hollywood; therefore, it's time to go on the attack. The Mighty Hunter will probably only face repercussions in the market place; his dental practice. But he'll be embraced by the right, just like Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby. I'm guessing his practice flourishes.
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Norton
Social climber
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How do you talk reason to a person who believes in Noah's Ark and believes the bible to be the written word of his personal God??
oh come on Bob,
there's nobody around who truthfully believes that
they may say so to justify their faith but deep in their gut they know that that the laws
of nature were not bent to permit a pair of every single species on the planet to be gathered on a ark and exist without killing each other waiting out the flood
and deep down they also know that the bible was written by humans 2000 years ago,
and that humans back then really did believe in murder, rape, torture and enslaving other humans and so they wrote those beliefs on paper, which were much later rounded up and purported to be the direct word of the ethereal spirit in the sky, come on....
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