mighty hunter

What is your point Ron?

Both the professional hunter and land owner had no permit or quota to justify the offtake of the lion and therefore are liable for the illegal hunt."

Must suck to have such a small penis.

Must suck to have such a small penis

Fry the outfitters and possibly the hunter (still not sure if he knew where they were). Thanks for the info I hadn't seen that in the articles I read.

Just something to chew on.

I simply wanted to hunt the worlds biggest partridge in a challenging area known as the Ruby Mountains of NV.

I hunted the Himalayan snowcock

If a species has sustainable economic value it (ie lion in Zimbabwe, 4 permits a year for very high dollar) vs no value and the locals killing them all, which is better?

THe three main man killers in Africa, Hippos, crocs and lions are routinely harvested by trophy hunters where they become deadly issues for local tribes. And the tribes get everything but the skin/skulls. Its a good working system there. Just an fyi.

Controversy[edit]

Lion hunting is a subject of controversy in modern times. Currently, the lion is listed as a vulnerable species by the IUCN, fewer than 40,000 survive in the wild, a reduction of 30% from the last two decades, mainly due to poaching of them and their prey, further influenced by excessive legal trophy hunting and habitat destruction.[7] Other reasons cited by opponents are that trophy hunting of lions primary kill large and prime males, leading to other males taking over the hunted male's pride, killing its cubs and possibly passing "weaker" genes, slightly decreasing lions' general size over time. Limits on which lions can be killed or how many are also rarely recorded or enforced.[8] Also, there's no proof that the fee paid by hunters actually significantly contribute goes to local communities, despite their claims, only 3% actually does.[9] Principles of fair chase are also cited, claiming that it's very easy to approach lions in some areas.[10]

Bill trophy hunting or the use of skins and animal parts as adornments has been going on since the stoneage, right up to N American Indian tribes, to modern day.

Juss sayin..

Well that a convincing argument. 20,000 dead Africans, widespread starvation, graft, theft, crazy inflation and the whole country screwed up by some shitheads don't mean squat compared to a single Lion. Of course, we are all Americans and will agree with you. Obviously.

Still confused why this dead lion causes outrage

Teddy famously stated:



“The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets which it must turn over to the next generation increased and not impaired in value. Conservation means development as much as it does protection.”

hey aren't the Disney characters portrayed by many. YOu can watch videos where they eat baby elephants alive slowly , tortuously..

Often, hunts are done with problem animals such as hippos, lions ,crocs and others.

Those "rich sobs" will attend an SCI dinner to the tune of 10K per table, or enter into a hunt raffle , again for $$$$$$$$. Hunters FULLY support their hobby, by light years ahead of us climbers.

Ill bet any amount of money I can cover that hunters donate far more to animal conservation than photographers.

But absolute fats remain, that without these trophy hunters, MANY African species would now be extinct at the hands of Africans.

Myself for example, have belonged to many conservation groups over the years. Ive given many many hours to habitat restoration, fish transplanting, bird transplanting and wetlands restorations. Its hard dirty work but in the end what I get out of it is knowing I was part of the expansion of wildlife giving back to what has brought me many a good meal, some desired trophies and benefitted my art which has been a business for me for over 4 decades. Heck, I once got all tanked up at a DU dinner and ended up paying 800.00 for a DU hand carved decoy lol! Another time, my girlfriend and I (both of us half tanked) ended up biding against each other for a print we both had our eye on..

If hunters are such conservationists Ron, why dont they mount pictures of the checks they have donated on thier walls instead of heads of animals?

White Rhinos for instance. Scimitar Oryx - brought back from the verge of extinction and many other antelope species thanks to Texas ranchers who then full donated, paid for transportation of those animals back to Africa to re-populate tem in their natural habitats.

Actually it was poaching and decimation of habitats that had the Oryx extinct from its natural areas. The ONLY reason they are back was hunters money and ranches in Texas that decided to get pro active.

Yes, I did, I shot her,
you know I caught her messin' 'round,
messin' 'round town.
Uh, yes I did, I shot her
you know I caught my old lady messin' 'round town.
And I gave her the gun and I shot her!

Much of the African economy revolves around trophy hunting.

A 2006 scientific paper estimated that “trophy hunting generates gross revenues of at least $201 million per year in sub-Saharan Africa: from a minimum of 18,500 clients”. It also found that “a minimum of 1,394,000 km2 is used for trophy hunting” and concluded that it creates “economic incentives for conservation over vast areas”.

"It seems like hunting of the mule deer of Oregon should stop so the the species can navigate the problems of drought, disease and pouching. If the species is in decline why keep killing it?"

If he believed he was legal or not, shooting an African lion with a crossbow is just f'ing stupid and cruel.

If that's what happened anyway...

At first glance seems a ligit study.

Did anyone mention that the lion was very probably lured out of the preserve where it was protected by meat tied onto a car, then shot?

The reaction is so inordinate and overwrought that I have to laugh

It always makes me shake my head and laugh when I see people make these kinds of statements

Thew really sad part is that Cragman votes against the people who actually wants to help the poor in this country. He also makes a joke out of a program (obamacare) that provides healthcare for the poor and their children in this country.

nita, thanks for posting that.

You're a good man, Cragman. I'm going to disagree with you about how abortion is relevant here. Have a great day.

"Touch sh#t. I didn't like your tone so don't pretend you're elevating jack sh#t. Your 1 lion vs 20,000 people is an adult conversation? Maybe on Geraldo it is...DMT "

"Ok so you agree the killing of this lion was a low life creep of a thing to do?"

Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects of the atomic bombings killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day.

it always makes me shake my head and laugh when I see people make these kinds of statements

Completely pathetic

misfits fan Anita? crazy ass song

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
Don't make me use the philohw line on ya!:^)

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
My First Amendment rights mean I can say your misinterpretation of the Second Amendment sucks dead dog dicks. Don't like it? Shoot yourself.

" I know you're a strong climber, but I didn't realize you were a top notch hand jockey as well! Sick."

Furthermore, I don't give a sh#t. It's a friggan Lion Dingus, it isn't one of your children, no need to be so yoinked up about it. It's just an animal.

"We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws," Oppah Muchinguri, environment, water and climate minister, said in a news conference Friday. "Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started," Muchinguri said.

The menagerie-of-the-dead at Cabelas is a goddamned creep show.

Nevada’s largest collection of wild animals from around the world is on permanent exhibit in the Wanamaker wing. There are more than 180 animals exhibited in their natural setting as well as animal mounts and historic hunting gear. The majority of these animals were donated by the late Jack Wanamaker of Burbank, California.

Jul 31, 2015 - 07:09am PT
I don't like trophy hunting. I haven't liked it for 40 years. I don't like trophy hunters. I haven't liked them for 40 years. The menagerie-of-the-dead at Cabelas is a goddamned creep show.

Lions, tigers, bears, the biggest marlin, the baddest goose... I can't stand trophy hunting. Its an abomination, to take the best of the species.

"I'm going to conserve these animals... by shooting the best of them."

What a stupid bass ackwards thing to do.

Mighty hunters, indeed. Sackless is more like it.

DMT

If humans continue to reproduce , and some of them at alarming rates, where do you think animals will have to thrive 200 yrs down the road?

I wish there was a certain bear still living in the forest here on the east side. I resent the people in my town who felt they were helping that bear by feeding it....thereby teaching it to break into dozens of homes and cars here and dooming it to it's fate. I spoke up against those people, called them out publicly, and lobbied our county to establish a strict penalty for feeding wildlife, which they now have on the books.

It could happen. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is weighing an environmental group's request to set aside 110,000 square miles for grizzly bears in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado.

If the agency decides to consider reintroducing grizzlies, the next step will be a lengthy process that includes scientific reviews and public hearings that could take years.

And just as added food for thought, what if our government gave hunters half a billion dollars of our tax money, in order to help them kill animals?