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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 2, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
It is a moral issue.

First I'll preface this by saying that I'm not in the, every zygote has a soul camp. There's plenty of room for debate over when one becomes a human being.

What has recently been made public is that Planed Parenthood has been running a chop shop for human body parts as a significant profit center.

Now how do you sell human body parts without taking a human life?

What is being revealed is that the later term the infant the greater the profit margin on the parts, and that profit and new Lamborghinis are the motive, not women's rights.

philo

climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
^^^ Speaking of bald faced lies and the lying liars that lie them ^^^^^
Absolutely debunked by actual facts.



Feigned and misdirected moral outrage.




Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 2, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
TGT wrote: What has recently been made public is that Planed Parenthood has been running a chop shop for human body parts as a significant profit center.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/


Another lie.


Cragman...would please answer my question. You are the weak sauce here.
philo

climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 2, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
Dean wrote,

If scientists found a single living cell on a distant planet, they would shout it from the rooftops that life exists there.

Yet that same living cell in a woman's body....even when it becomes fertilized by another, is not considered life.

So, using the logic that I presume you use, poison oak should not be killed? Or, is it only mammalian life? Or, is it only human life?

IMO, the way we treat millions of animals in feedlots and chicken houses is far more despicable than trophy hunting, which is despicable as well. But then, that forces us to look in the mirror and consider our food choices.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
Au contraire Norton. A recent poll showed that 60% of Christians believed in Noah's Ark and the Global flood and 64% believe that Moses parted the Red Sea to save the Israelites. Kind of scary eh!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:10pm PT
Instead of just listening to the apologists, watch the whole thing for yourself and make up your own mind.

It's a moral issue, not a religious one.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
Cragman wrote: Bob....you attempting to make a mockery of the faith of billions around the world, is not the way to answer the question.



No I'm not, I think it is voodoo and you keep on avoiding to answer the questions I ask you.



You think on an emotional basis. Faith being the key word..."Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing or a belief not based on proof. It may also refer to a particular system of religious belief. The term 'faith' has numerous connotations and is used in many different ways, often depending on context."
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
Cragman wrote: You're goal is only to sow hate.


Really, my family and friends would say different. I'm calling you on your beliefs and you have no answers.

Do you acts of kindness just to do them or do think it will get you a better place in heaven??

I think you have motives just like everyone else.

I don't hate you cragman, I don't even know you, I just believe your "faith" is ass backwards, anti-science and somewhat primitive.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
Where are they doing doing abortions for profit?


Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
Planned Parenthood is a tremendously good organization that helps women in many ways.

Abortion services make up only 3% of what PP does.

Abortion is legal and fully Constitutional in the United States, end of debate on that.

Personally, I don't give a damn if PP sells body parts of aborted fetuses to further research in order to raise money for all of their other functions that need funding.

So what, what exactly is the big deal about that?

Those fetuses were going in the trash anyway, why not help fund more of PP?\\



Abortion is a women's decision, period, nobody else's business but their own.

Only the woman knows if she has the financial resources, partners, and solid life capable of providing a new baby with a secure chance in life, no righteous man should be able to
force her to give birth to an unwanted fetus, period.

I am only joining in here because others have started and keep this abortion thing going.

Freedom of Speech applies to everyone, even me.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 2, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
Where are they doing doing abortions for profit?

At practices specifically geared to providing abortions.

According to this link - http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2012/01/throughput-of-abortion-providers.html#.Vb6iMflVikp -

29 abortion clinics provide the majority of abortions in the US, averaging 17.8 abortions per day.

At $400 per abortion, that works out to $7120 per day.

Cha-ching

Cha-ching

Back in the 80s, I knew some OB-GYN residents who did abortions on the side. They were paid $200 per procedure. Easy money.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 2, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
$400.00 per abortion sounds like a money losing proposition. It's no wonder they need to sell organs.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 04:52pm PT
And it any nobuddy's bizznizz but my own.

edzakkery
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Aug 2, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
What about wildlife conservation in Africa? I still feel that is the proposed thought on this topic?

Aren't we all hoping to save the big beasts?

I guess some can't get over the killing of wild animals while they hang out with friends and talk about THOSE people while munching on fish and plant matter.

Seems to be a disconnect between perceived life and real life?

Why aren't twigs and berries taboo? Just because they don't squall if you hit them bad, and don't keep running.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 2, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
Here is the problem
One crazed loon (or 3) could shoot every lion, rhino or elephant left in the wild in a week if they wanted, right?

the unborn aborted fetuses will never impact the human population

Extinction of another species vs. some dead fetuses (out of billons)

Extinction is forever, it's a serious issue, there are just too few of these trophies left.





Zimbabwe Alleges Second American Involved In Illegal Lion Hunt

An international outcry over Cecil the lion's death still rages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cecil-lion-second-american_55be1ee4e4b06363d5a27bd5?

Posted: 08/02/2015 09:51


HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Now there are two: Zimbabwe accused a Pennsylvania doctor on Sunday of illegally killing a lion in April, adding to the outcry over a Minnesota dentist the African government wants to extradite for killing a well-known lion named Cecil in early July.

Zimbabwe's National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority accused Jan Casimir Seski of Murrysville, Pennsylvania, of shooting the lion with a bow and arrow in April near Hwange National Park, without approval, on land where it was not allowed.

Landowner Headman Sibanda was arrested and is assisting police, it said.

Seski is a gynecological oncologist who directs the Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh.

He's also an active big-game hunter, according to safari outfitters and bow-hunting sites where kill shots identify "Dr. Jan Seski" as the man standing next to slain animals including elephants, a hippo, an ostrich and antelopes such as an impala, a kudu, and a nyala.

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 08:08pm PT


zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
If scientists found a single sperm cell (human, ape who cares) on Pluto, they'd be ecstatic right?

Others might be pissed that the Supreme Court has allowed man on dog sex and marriage.




nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 2, 2015 - 08:57pm PT

Exposing the Safari Club International

Finally the time has come to drop kick the Big White Hunters out of Africa.

Commentary by Captain Paul Watson

Dr. Walter Palmer has done something worthwhile after all.

His special combination of vanity, smugness, greed, arrogance and stupidity has taken something which happens all the time, usually out of sight and out of mind, and has elevated it to international recognition.

The slaughter of Africa’s wildlife is a crime against nature and humanity.

In 1978, I spent a few months in East Africa investigating and tracking poachers. I was gathering information to support the listing of the African elephant as endangered. I wrote an article in Defenders of Wildlife that got me into an argument with the editor when I predicted that within two decades the elephant population would be diminished by 30%. He accused me of being overly dramatic and cut my prediction from the story. It turned out that I was not being dramatic enough. By 1980, the diminishment was 50% despite the fact that the African elephant was listed as endangered by the United States in 1978.

From a population estimated at some 25 million 500 years ago, the African elephant was reduced to ten million by 1913. By 1979, there were an estimated 1.3 million elephants. Today, there are only a half a million remaining and the population is in serious decline with poaching now at unprecedented levels.

And Dr. Walter Palmer was intending to kill an elephant before leaving Africa after realizing the potential trouble he was in for killing Cecil.

Looking at lions. When I first went to Africa there were 250,000 lions in the late Seventies. Today that number has been reduced to about 25,000.

And yet the killing goes on. Lions, rhinos, giraffe, elephants and so many other species killed by poachers illegally and legally in most cases by White hunters.

Most poachers are Black so they can’t afford to do the paperwork to make their activities legal. The White hunters however have the cash to buy legality.

Dr. Walter Palmer claims his hunt was legal, but it was not. It could have been. He paid for it to be, but he got greedy. He wanted a celebrity lion and lured it out of a national park and illegally shot it with an arrow in such an unprofessional manner that the lion suffered for 40 hours before being killed with a bullet from Palmer’s guide.

He and his guide then stupidly tried to destroy the radio collar, and in an even more stupid move, they left the collar near the body allowing authorities to find the decomposing carcass of what had recently been the noblest and most beautiful lion in Zimbabwe.

But there is a positive outcome from all of this. It seems that Dr. Walter Palmer has the potential to be the catalyst to what can be a movement to end the trophy hunting in Africa for good.

It reminds me of the trial of David Curtiss "Steve" Stephenson, the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan (KKK) who was convicted of the abduction, rape and murder of a young woman in Illinois named Madge Oberholter in 1925.

The Klan at that time was extremely powerful and influential. Stephensen met with and advised among others, both the Governor of Illinois and the President of the United States. His last rally before his arrest drew over 100,000 supporters.

His arrogance led him to believe he was above the law and thanks to the bull-dog
determination of a young prosecutor, Stephensen was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1925 and the power of the Klan quickly unraveled when the trial revealed the extent of Klan corruption in political circles.

Palmer’s arrogance has caused the story of Cecil the lion to go viral. He picked the wrong lion, took the wrong actions and cowardly tossed his guides under the bus. The Safari Club International has already recognized the danger Palmer has placed them in. They in turn tossed him under the bus and cancelled his membership and since then have been preparing themselves to defend their vile and bloody enterprise from the wrath of the public.

Safari International has some 50,000 members, 150 chapters and collects $3.17 million in membership dues each year. It raises another 7 million from their annual convention.

But what is truly despicable about this organization is that it encourages slaughter through awards.

SCI’s record book system ranks the biggest tusks, horns, antlers, skulls and bodies of hunted animals. Hunters are rewarded with trophies for completing a “Grand Slam.”

There are 15 “Grand Slams.” The ones that cover Africa are:

1. The African Big Five Club (African lion, African leopard, African elephant, African buffalo and an African rhinoceros.
2. “Dangerous Game of Africa” (requires a minimum of five from the African lion, African leopard, African elephant, African rhinoceros, African buffalo, Hippopotamus and Nile Crocodile)
3. “African 29” (African lion, leopard, elephant, rhinoceros, buffalo, and a small cat, eland, bongo,kudu, nyala, sitatunga, bushbuck, sable antelope, roan antelope, oryx/gemsbok, waterbuck,lechwe, kob or puku, reedbuck or rhebok, wildebeest, hartebeest, mamalisc, impala, gazelle, pygmy antelope, springbok, dik-dik, bush duiker, forest duiker, nubian ibex, aoudad, hippopotamus, and wild pig)
4. “Cats of the World” (minimum of four of: lion, leopard, cheetah, jaguar, cougar, lynx, cougar or puma, serval, carcal, African golden cat or bobcat)

There are dozens of other reward categories with members able to purchase special gold and bejewelled pins for the number of kills they rack up.

There is also the Global Hunting Award that requires the killer to have hunted 6 continents to receive a diamond award (a minimum of 17 native in Africa, 13 native or introduced in North America, 4 native or introduced in South America, 6 native or introduced in Europe, 6 native to Asia and 4 introduced in the South Pacific, for a total of 50 animals).

There is the Hunting Achievement Award that requires a minimum of 125 animals, or 60 if hunting with a bow.

And for women they have the Diana award, given to women who “have excelled in international big game hunting.”

And finally there is the obscenely named “World Conservation & Hunting Award,”
given to hunters who have killed on six continents tand have killed more than 300 species. This “esteemed” award goes to the killer who has taken all 14 Grand Slams, the 23 Inner Circles, Pinnacle of Achievement (fourth) and the Crowning Achievement Award.

It is this award system that is driving thousands of wealthy primarily white men and a few women to spend millions of dollars stalking animals around the world for the sole purpose of killing the in the name of vanity and self glorification.

The public for the most part is unaware of the sheer immensity of this global hobby of slaughter. Thanks to Dr. Walter Palmer however they are getting a glimpse of it.

Palmer may be the most hated man in the world for a few days because of his vicious crimes of vanity but he will not be forgotten by the Safari International.

Hopefully Cecil will not have died in vain and that his death will represent the thousands of animals so horrifically slaughtered every year.

Dr. Walter Palmer should have stuck to cleaning teeth. He has now been deservedly immortalized as the most vile and despicable hunter of all time but history may look on him a slight bit more favourably if his actions bring down the Safari International Club like Stephenson brought down the Klu Klux Klan.


Respect.

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