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Jul 26, 2015 - 11:07am PT
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Stand by for gee dizzle to relate thread to mma.
Edit:
Thats pretty funny, dizzle
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 26, 2015 - 11:09am PT
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Ron tapped out!
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 12:18pm PT
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Yeah! Let's jump on the soloist! Beat him down! Grrrr....
Still, as I've opined on other threads/posts, this stuff is worth thinking about and discussing, so, in the spirit of no BS and straight up talk:
First, thanks for the heads up! As noted, do post that kind of beta on the route forum.
Re. to the off-topic thread drift:
Didn't a fine young man die on this route just last year as he left his fiance back at Cathedral after finishing that route with her? Just food for thought.
Also--and I'm not being snide or snarky, just curious--you write:
I am not bragging. But I am selfish. Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism. It is what allows me to love unparalleled. I choose to live as an example of surrender, of presence, of engagement in a life that is guaranteed to end no matter how you play it.
That first admission should, perhaps, concern you given your family status, just sayin', but, what I wonder is how using a rope and a little gear here and there so diminishes the experience as to, by implication, create in you reservations, regrets, and cynicism? Yep, we all gonna die, fo' reelz, but sweet verbiage is a poor substitute for a missing father. I loved having my dad around. Can't imagine how I would have turned out without him. Rest in peace, old man!
Climb safely, amigo. May your routes be clean, the sun warm, your family by your side.
BAd
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism. It is what allows me to love unparalleled. I choose to live as an example of surrender, of presence, of engagement in a life that is guaranteed to end no matter how you play it.
right on snowhazed
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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It doesn't worry me that he's soloing with a child on the way.
It worries me that he's spraying about it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
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There are things more annoying than spray. Take for example pre-spray, the art of boasting about something you are going to do but have not yet done.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
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Posting pre-spray while wearing manpris on a Sunday afternoon.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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There's at least a couple of climbing luminaries who lost their lives living their lives the way they chose, and living right on the edge, all of time. They are well-loved by many here at ST, and receive regular accolades for their life choices and actions. They had young children, too, at the time they died.
There are several regular threads that memorialize them, and rightfully mourn their loss. Those threads tend to contain far less criticism about their life choices, in spite of the fact their life situation was exactly the same as snowhaze's.
Or so it seems to me, anyway. What's the difference between the two? Not much, that I can discern, except that a differing standard seems to be applied.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:38pm PT
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Posting pre-spray while wearing manpris on a Sunday afternoon.
Guilty as charged. I hate jeans and my aging knees don't really like shorts.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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One can combine spray and pre-spray into a veritable orgy of spray: "Hey guys, I just did (insert rad route name here) with one hang on my second burn. Tomorrow I'm gonna send for sure!"
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Apogee
I think that the same rules apply here. It's just once someone bites it it's not as PC to talk sh#t about there choices. I'm sure other would criticize those if they where still breathing. Take Honnold for example. Lots of criticism about his choices right here. Because he's alive. Others get a pass because there not here anymore.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
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Wait, people use ropes on Matthes crest??
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Why would you expect anyone to defend there choices to a random bunch a people on an internet forum? Not saying I disagree with that statement but defending oneself isn't always needed. As long as you realize the cost of a mistake, which every soloist should, that's all you need. The rest is just cannon fodder for the debate box of this site.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
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Don't want to defend your choices? Don't spray about 'em on the internet.
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Gene
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:03pm PT
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Snowhazed,
Congratulations to you and your wife! Being a Dad to two daughters has been the best part of my life. When does the little one arrive?
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
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I've soloed Mathis lots of times. I don't owe a defense of my choices to anyone. Oh wait, I don't have kids so my life is somehow not in need of defending. Like I said, cannon fodder.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
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Burch
You're absolutely correct about factoring in those things. The point is you've already factored them into your decision. So why defend it? People will always have different views on what acceptable risk is. I know what mine are and I'm sure snowhazed know what his are. To be asked to defend them in front of a bunch of randoms is a joke.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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"It's just once someone bites it it's not as PC to talk sh#t about there choices. I'm sure other would criticize those if they where still breathing."
Probably a fair amount of truth in that. Still, I don't seem to remember regular criticism of Bachar, Osman (while they were alive) or any other number of those who lived on the edge like the 'cannon fodder' that is aimed at those who aren't in a similar pantheon.
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