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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 25, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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I ran through yesterday and ascended to the North tower via the 5.7 handrail that I always use. Just below where the crack goes plumb, after the left traversing jugs, there is an essential flake that gave me some concern.
As I pulled on it it felt different than the other 5-6 times I've climbed it. After pulling past I gave it a few knocks and it has a definite hollow ring to it. To be clear it is not flexing or moving, and it may stay there for another few millenia for all I know, but I didn't like it.
Free-soloing with a wife and unborn daughter demands me to be as perfect as humanly possible, so I won't be taking that path again. I've never done the 5.7 crack option because it looked thrutchy, but I guess I'll have to explore it now.
Anyways- be careful out there and have fun!
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jul 25, 2015 - 11:54am PT
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LOL What a selfish fool.. Bragging about soloing, with Pregnant lady. Silly Sh#t.
Yur Gonna Die for sure.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jul 25, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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Thanks for the update brah. Way to keep an eye on things out there. Thanks for the heads up. Will watch out for it when passing through that section next time. Stay safe and stay smart.
See you out there,
Scott
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 25, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
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Funny how some soloists get a good ballcupping even if they bite it, and others get the wrath of judgement passed on them. Go figure.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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We're all gonna die for sure
Hope you avoid all dangerous activities if you have a wife and/or kids. That would definitely mean no cars ever. Hope your work doesn't ever put you at risk. Stay away from large crowds of any kind. Roped climbing? More people die with ropes on, or in their packs than soloists- Definite risk- better not. Never go in the ocean- the great whites are migrating closer to shore from El Nino, haven't you heard???
I am not bragging. But I am selfish. Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism. It is what allows me to love unparalleled. I choose to live as an example of surrender, of presence, of engagement in a life that is guaranteed to end no matter how you play it.
Do you think the people around you learn from what you tell them, or from your example? My father was an army test pilot, he died the day after I was conceived. Regardless I learned more from him than I can express. Is it inherently better to have someone in your life? What if they have muted their passions, and grow resentful?
But of course you're right, enacting an illusion of control is better...
Edit: Hey Rdog- it is a constant dialogue with myself and my wife regarding the choices we make. Perhaps when I hold my daughter in my hands I will see and feel a natural choice one way or the other. I am certainly not dogmatic about soloing the rest of my life. So thank you for the suggestion, it is all worth thinking about
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 25, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
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My father was an army test pilot, he died the day after I was conceived.
just don't make it a family tradition.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 25, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
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Is it inherently better to have someone in your life? What if they have muted their passions, and grow resentful?
Kids would say, yes, it's better to have you in their life, regardless of what it costs you. Kids are selfish that way. It's a personal decision for you, how to shape your wants and needs, where to draw the line between satisfying what you want and what they want, and accepting the consequences good or bad for how that shapes their lives and personalities.
Thanks for the heads up on the flake, especially considering the number of people that must solo through there.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 25, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
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Yup only soloists die climbing not roped climbers.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism.
You can't do that if your dead.
I understand your point, but at some point, it seems like you would question your motives.
I've climbed for over thirty-five years, and realize it was a very selfish thing to do to my loved ones, and to myself.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 25, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
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You know if you had a big enough shoehorn you could make just about any thread about ya Ron ;D
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Trad climber
Shitalkqua, WA
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Jul 25, 2015 - 10:19pm PT
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2015 - 10:55pm PT
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Glad I caught the sentiments about Dan before deletion
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 25, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
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F*#k. I would have liked to see that post. Thanks Greg.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 10:59pm PT
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I'm glad I caught it as well but there is a big difference between 1000' rope jumps and soloing a moderate climb that probably gets soloed more often then it sees roped ascents.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 11:23pm PT
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I didn't miss anything. There's an acceptable risk in everything you do as a climber and those two scenarios are miles apart in the chance of things going wrong. One most climbers would view as acceptable. The other not nearly as much. I'm sorry you seem to think you have some deeper knowledge then the rest of us but you don't. I've lost friends as well but I would never tell someone to stop doing things that they deem acceptable.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 25, 2015 - 11:34pm PT
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I'm not worried. Honestly I wish you'd left the post. It was from the heart and had a lot of valid points about the possible outcome of sh#t going south and the people that care about you having to deal with the aftermath of that. Man you get your panties in a bunch easier than my wife does. Not everyone here will agree and that's the whole point. It's called discussion. Learn to do it sometime.
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Jul 26, 2015 - 07:59am PT
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Next time just say the flake is bad and don't mention the soloing or family.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jul 26, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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snowhazed there's a lot more then one bad flake out there.....each season the deck looses a few bad cards and gains more.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 26, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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I forced Ron to delete a post? What should I do now with my incredible super powers??
Love ya babes!
Adding notes as to hazards is a GOOD thing.
One would think...
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 11:07am PT
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Stand by for gee dizzle to relate thread to mma.
Edit:
Thats pretty funny, dizzle
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 26, 2015 - 11:09am PT
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Ron tapped out!
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 12:18pm PT
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Yeah! Let's jump on the soloist! Beat him down! Grrrr....
Still, as I've opined on other threads/posts, this stuff is worth thinking about and discussing, so, in the spirit of no BS and straight up talk:
First, thanks for the heads up! As noted, do post that kind of beta on the route forum.
Re. to the off-topic thread drift:
Didn't a fine young man die on this route just last year as he left his fiance back at Cathedral after finishing that route with her? Just food for thought.
Also--and I'm not being snide or snarky, just curious--you write:
I am not bragging. But I am selfish. Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism. It is what allows me to love unparalleled. I choose to live as an example of surrender, of presence, of engagement in a life that is guaranteed to end no matter how you play it.
That first admission should, perhaps, concern you given your family status, just sayin', but, what I wonder is how using a rope and a little gear here and there so diminishes the experience as to, by implication, create in you reservations, regrets, and cynicism? Yep, we all gonna die, fo' reelz, but sweet verbiage is a poor substitute for a missing father. I loved having my dad around. Can't imagine how I would have turned out without him. Rest in peace, old man!
Climb safely, amigo. May your routes be clean, the sun warm, your family by your side.
BAd
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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Maintaining my own psychological threshold is exactly what allows me to thrive, support my family, build a home and life, and be completely free to give of myself to them without reservation, regret, or cynicism. It is what allows me to love unparalleled. I choose to live as an example of surrender, of presence, of engagement in a life that is guaranteed to end no matter how you play it.
right on snowhazed
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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It doesn't worry me that he's soloing with a child on the way.
It worries me that he's spraying about it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
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There are things more annoying than spray. Take for example pre-spray, the art of boasting about something you are going to do but have not yet done.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
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Posting pre-spray while wearing manpris on a Sunday afternoon.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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There's at least a couple of climbing luminaries who lost their lives living their lives the way they chose, and living right on the edge, all of time. They are well-loved by many here at ST, and receive regular accolades for their life choices and actions. They had young children, too, at the time they died.
There are several regular threads that memorialize them, and rightfully mourn their loss. Those threads tend to contain far less criticism about their life choices, in spite of the fact their life situation was exactly the same as snowhaze's.
Or so it seems to me, anyway. What's the difference between the two? Not much, that I can discern, except that a differing standard seems to be applied.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:38pm PT
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Posting pre-spray while wearing manpris on a Sunday afternoon.
Guilty as charged. I hate jeans and my aging knees don't really like shorts.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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One can combine spray and pre-spray into a veritable orgy of spray: "Hey guys, I just did (insert rad route name here) with one hang on my second burn. Tomorrow I'm gonna send for sure!"
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Apogee
I think that the same rules apply here. It's just once someone bites it it's not as PC to talk sh#t about there choices. I'm sure other would criticize those if they where still breathing. Take Honnold for example. Lots of criticism about his choices right here. Because he's alive. Others get a pass because there not here anymore.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
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Wait, people use ropes on Matthes crest??
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Why would you expect anyone to defend there choices to a random bunch a people on an internet forum? Not saying I disagree with that statement but defending oneself isn't always needed. As long as you realize the cost of a mistake, which every soloist should, that's all you need. The rest is just cannon fodder for the debate box of this site.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
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Don't want to defend your choices? Don't spray about 'em on the internet.
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Gene
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:03pm PT
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Snowhazed,
Congratulations to you and your wife! Being a Dad to two daughters has been the best part of my life. When does the little one arrive?
g
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
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I've soloed Mathis lots of times. I don't owe a defense of my choices to anyone. Oh wait, I don't have kids so my life is somehow not in need of defending. Like I said, cannon fodder.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
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Burch
You're absolutely correct about factoring in those things. The point is you've already factored them into your decision. So why defend it? People will always have different views on what acceptable risk is. I know what mine are and I'm sure snowhazed know what his are. To be asked to defend them in front of a bunch of randoms is a joke.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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"It's just once someone bites it it's not as PC to talk sh#t about there choices. I'm sure other would criticize those if they where still breathing."
Probably a fair amount of truth in that. Still, I don't seem to remember regular criticism of Bachar, Osman (while they were alive) or any other number of those who lived on the edge like the 'cannon fodder' that is aimed at those who aren't in a similar pantheon.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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Moral of this story likely is - don't spray about soloing 5.7?
Yep. Minimum acceptable grade for spraying about a solo is from here forth set to 10+. If you have a great story to about your ropeless exploits and it is under that grade please consult rc.com.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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More Shakira, please!
BAd
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 26, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
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I just want to say, this thread is a hell of a lot more entertaining than the last Avengers movie I paid good money to see, and I'm getting this for free.
Although I do feel a bit guilty that my entertainment is coming at the expense of poor snowhazed who tried to do a good public service by alerting people to a possible hazard on a widely soloed route.
It's kind of harsh to characterize as spray, his factual statement that he was soloing, which is entirely germane to the story. You guys can be so catty!
:-) Phyl
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
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Shakira is interesting.
I did the mastering on her big hit "Hips Don't Lie" with Wyclef Jean. OMG she is hot. She is also totally a pro. In the studio she knew exactly what she wanted and was not willing to settle for anything less than perfection. She's probably like that with men too :-)
Oh, did I just Spray? At least it wasn't about climbing.
Regarding the OP, how many family dads ride bicycles in traffic or motorcycles on the freeway? I'm not going to criticize the guy for his choices but one question keeps coming up in my head, does his wife know what he's doing?
I know, pretty personal. But then he started out about a loose flake and next thing you know he's talking about his pregnant wife. That opens the door to all sorts of questions.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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Ooch Burch.
Ron goes nuclear in:
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 26, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
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Jeeze people. Nothing wrong with a little spray if you are prepared for it.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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To be honest, I wrote the post without much thought beyond the heads up about the flake. Wish I could say I was just trying to stir the pot for fun, instead the details came out as an organic statement of my mindset while in the moment. This certainly validates the point raised- why not just post the beta on the beta page and leave it at that? Regardless of the answer to that, I am warmly entertained by the resulting show.
Spray- well, I can't argue, although it wasn't really my intent. Intention matters little- if the manpris are on, they are on regardless of why. In the words of aesop rock "attention is a must. you don't want to be overlooked. yeah... but you don't want to be looked over too much." At least I didn't spray about all the other ground I covered that day (ooh a reference to potential spray, perhaps implicit spray is even more pernicious than explicit!!)
Ruppel nails one particular element right on the head. Opinions in the form of an internet post will do literally nothing to influence my perspective, choices, or personal understanding. I'll leave that up to my wife, friends, family, and child. In some sense, any direct condemnation is its own form of spray, trying to spray that your perspective is epistemologically superior. In that sense I am not defending anything, because those assaults are impotent. I'm just speaking my mind.
Those that merely offered their perspective as something to consider, well that I admire and appreciate. There is more power in that approach.
That I value the opinion of the real people in my life who care about me, leads to Kris' question if I am being upfront, and to that I can happily answer yes. There was one time when we were first falling in love that I couldn't navigate the topic well with her and went solo without her knowledge. It sucked. Never again. I am transparent to my partner in all things. Radical honesty is essential to soloing, that surrender to the reality of every finely layered stitch or stream of code or nuclear forces that encompasses the present moment and apprehended by a self-aware and referential consciousness is the very thing that allows one to execute with such precision and unmitigated joy.
That day led me to write a longform essay about love, honesty, passion, betrayal, history, genetics, consciousness, and paradox. I've never seen fit to share it much beyond the inner circle- but at the very least I can honestly communicate that I have contemplated these issues at length and continue to have that dialogue.
Gene- My girl is due late October! I'm super psyched! First child for both myself and the wife. I'm sure it will be transformative.
Ok- back to it!
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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snowhazed
Where you going for the full traverse? That is one hell of a fun day. The rock on Columbia Finger makes Matthes look solid. Spray on. Inquiring climbers want to know. So technically I'm asking you to spray which doesn't violate the rules. lol
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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ruppel - I was on one of the Tuolumne Triple's - Hobbit to the full Matthes to Cathedral, what a perfect day.
That brings up an answer to the poster who asked- why not bring some rope and some gear? Much harder to cover that much ground efficiently, requires a partner, and simuling has the potential to breed "I have a rope" complacency.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 06:27pm PT
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Nice writing and pics
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jul 26, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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Yeah, snowhazed, you write well. You make your point(s) very clearly and succinctly.
I fully understand your point of view - you can't be a good father (or husband) if you're not happy.
Stay happy and fershitsakes stay safe too.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 26, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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Is there anything other than the full Matthes? I still don't understand rapping or downclimbing off after the north tower. You miss some of the best climbing on the route. Plus it puts you at a higher elevation when you finish the ridge on the way over to Cathedral.
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ct
climber
CO
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Jul 26, 2015 - 10:00pm PT
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That last photo may be the most vivid shot of the Meadows I've ever seen.
I am proud to be a friend and occasional partner of Mr. Snowhazed, when he chooses to use a rope. As this thread illustrates, his ability to think deeply and articulate clearly and honestly what he is feeling is a rare and delightful quality.
Makes me miss the Meadows. Cheers!
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Footloose
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jul 26, 2015 - 10:17pm PT
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Snowhazed, thanks for the heads-up.
I, too, get what you are saying in your posts and agree with your climbing and life philosophy and attitude as presented 100 per cent.
And congrats on everything!
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:17am PT
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Ok, ok you write well too.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 27, 2015 - 05:43am PT
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Methinks the OP has cherry-picked his prettiest sounding thoughts, like most people do
Scrubbing Bubbles, now nothing left, but to ramble on?
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 06:15am PT
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Hey, Snowhazed:
I like them photos! Prolly color enhanced, me thinks, but very, very cool.
To be honest, having the kid seems way sketchier than the solos! Everyone should wear helmets at the birth, for sure.
On Belay.
BAd
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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Jul 27, 2015 - 06:20am PT
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That last photo may be the most vivid shot of the Meadows I've ever seen.
Yeah, nothing like taking a photo and blowing the hue and saturation out using Photochop.
It's a nice shot, just saying he went way overboard with the post processing.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 27, 2015 - 06:25am PT
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^^^^LOL!!!! Yea that one is off the charts! Still, nice photos. And congrads on the upcoming event. I didn't think the birth of either my two kids was too bad (far worse for my wife!), just stay out of reach of your partners hands and you are good to go. I didn't get too much spray on me during either birth, and bonus(!), I was first to hold each of them. Most amazing moments ever for me.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 27, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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It's a nice shot, just saying he went way overboard with the post processing.
F*#k man, Snowy just can't catch a break.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2015 - 10:06am PT
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The image of Matthes is color corrected only. No grading.
The cathedral image is not post-saturated at all- it is an HDR image- 3 frames merged at +/-2 ev in SNS Pro, and then white balance corrected in Lightroom. No further grading.
For the resulting 600 frame timelapse that came out of the 1800 images I did use software to smooth exposure changes.
How's that for spray!
Edit: LOL seriously bAD- are there special birthing helmets???? Aaagh!
Edit: Many thanks elcap, I'm super psyched
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Stevee B
Trad climber
Oakland, CA
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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snowhazed - do we know each other? Based on the context you could be one of several guys I know at the moment. Oakland / 3rd classer / first kid in the oven.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 27, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
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SnowH. I had no problem with the OP and in fact was glad you made public note of the loose flake. These day runs in that area are often used for training and with all the traffic they get any current data is generally usefull.
The cathedral image is not post-saturated at all- it is an HDR image- 3 frames merged at +/-2 ev in SNS Pro, and then white balance corrected in Lightroom. No further grading.
I've always found I could not capture what I saw in the mountains on camera. Only on the really rare exception. The Cathedral image came out very nice. That is basically a signal stacking technique which I did not know they had available (because I've not been paying attention) and that would explain the color saturation (so those ARE owl clover). Pretty cool. I'll have to see if that technique will help with my shitty cell shots.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 01:13pm PT
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Damn. I gotta learn how to do that "stackin'" thing. That Cathedral pic just makes my day.
BAd
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2015 - 06:14pm PT
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Stevee B- maybe? I split my gym time between oakland and berk
here's another hdr for fun, this one I did alter the orange hue and luminance, and the magenta luminance. Also noise reduction as the dark frame during sunset or sunrise imparts noise during the merge
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
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heres a non hdr photo of same scene- it was blowing up that night
not only does it depend on the monitor, but it also depends on all of the cones in your eyeball, and beyond that the black box of subjective phenomena.....
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Jul 27, 2015 - 07:32pm PT
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Yeah Lembert Dome! ;-)
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Jul 27, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Lembert Dome is the baddest kind of flake,
the reason Half Dome left Yosemite.
A lot of bad history there,
don't ask.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jul 27, 2015 - 08:51pm PT
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HDR is in the eye of the beholder. I like your Cathedral shot.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jul 27, 2015 - 11:47pm PT
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1. Fantastic thread
2. I love spray. Spray is the drunk uncle of stoke, and we all love stoke. And those that say they hate it are lying to themselves and desire credit for not doing it........which is a form of, you guessed it, spray. Hinting that you are above spray is an obvious form of spray. Busted!
3. The fact that Snowhazed had also linked the full crest with Hobbit Book that day and chose not to mention such a rad send shows his constraint, making his spray more of a drip than anything and should be applauded.
4. This thread needs more photos. I love Matthes Crest and spray about our fully roped up, fully pitched out send of it as often as conversation allows.
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Bad Climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 06:31am PT
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Micro gets the quote of the day:
Spray is the drunk uncle of stoke, and we all love stoke.
I had fun when I did the Crest, but I was coming down with the flu even as I led the first pitch. I got sicker and sicker. Leading a steep corner up the last tower (we didn't do the full thing) felt more like 5.10 than the 5.6 or 5.7 it was. We rapped and staggered back to camp. The hike out was fun, too. Ugh.
BAd
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:07am PT
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I've always found I could not capture what I saw in the mountains on camera.
That's why god invented black and white photography.
Vittorio Sella
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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Wow, Gary, (my brothers' name by the way)
Crazy looking picture, so cool!
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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Sick spray Mr. D.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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Awesome thread. From loose flakes to family danger to spray name-dropping to photo critiquing!
Good thing no photos of Shakira have ever been altered!!
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Stevee B
Trad climber
Oakland, CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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Most everyone wants to be recognized, or at least esteemed for their accomplishments. Par human nature, nothing wrong with that. Sometimes our natural instincts overreach and we demand more than our fair share of attention. Who's not guilty of that on occasion?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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I wish people would stop using the word "spray" as a derogatory term. I want everyone to spray, that's where the stories and entertainment and eventual history come from.
Spray on everyone, forget those "quiet crushers" that people esteem so highly!
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le_bruce
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Oakland, CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
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Micro gets the quote of the day:
Agree. And I'm with you, limpingcrab. I come here for the stories and the pics, and that's it. Call it whatever, just keep sharing.
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