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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
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the kid that built that is the same one that got his ass kicked in this video:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
now in the video the psycho woman is the one in the wrong and she paid for it with humiliation and court dates.
But to build a machine with a gun - makes you wonder if the kid isn't a little messed up in the head. Although at the same time I'm doubting we will be hearing about him on the nightly news for using it.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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Did you see the one where the fire fighters turn their hose on a drone while they were fighting a fire (actually it was pretty much out)? Good on the FD though I wonder if they got in a little trouble.
I think they should put scramblers on commercial airliners but that is currently illegal (scrambling). Blast it with some high power 2.4Ghz or UHF and send that sucker to the ground.
I'm going to continue to point out when you guys propose something illegal (taking it out is destroying someones personal property). I'm doing that for two reasons.
1) I like most of you and would prefer you not see court dates.
2) I'm going through a long and time consuming process that will probably cost me $13K when it is all said and done to be able to legally operate (commercially).
If we're going to have this discussion - which we are - then I'm more than happy to engage in it so long as we're heading in the right direction. Voice your opinion. fine. Call your congressmen. Please! Learn what the laws on privacy and use of the NAS are. But I find the notion of committing a crime to stop someone that is not committing a crime terribly misguided.
Pagan is working towards building a hardened vehicle that would probably withstand the supersoaker. Oddly you can take the electric motors and stick them under water while running and they will continue to work just fine. Not so much with the other components. His plan is to be able to fly around the coal stacks outside of Salt Lake. On inversion days they remove the scrubbers and pollute pollute pollute. He's going to equip it with an Arduino sensor array to get real data. But when he does that I don't know him. Nor do I have bail money.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jul 19, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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Nature , hello,
I saw the 'beat down' video and had to decide, you can not put the toothpaste back into the same tube from whence it came. Corral it with laws and make criminals of forward thinkers.[Click to View YouTube Video] that is not the side that I want to be on. that said I can't risk growing
my babies in pots in the backyard, anymore (as if I ever could)
I am more about this; it is the most recent tool in the climbers bag of trix,
I want one that is way beyond my price range now.
Give it another few years though, and 'Drones' (a name change maybe?)
will be a regular up-grade with every phone sold.
wow i have to spend more time looking back at this tread!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 19, 2015 - 03:58pm PT
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Every time there's a fire a no fly notice goes out, people are flying drones in a no fly zone. Has it been enforced? There's existing laws here not being enforced right? So why do we need new laws?
--------because it is not working?
Because the industry, as represented by you, in not interested in policing itself.
So don't gripe, as the industry is subject to ever-tighter and more restrictive laws, and increasing penalties.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:01pm PT
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http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/jul/08/nevada-companies-get-ok-use-drones-aerial-photogra/
"You sound exactly like the people who tried to ban automobiles because they would kill everyone and take over the roads and scare all the horses...that's just how wrong you are," said Squishy.
Au contraire, Squishy.
Automobiles have taken over all the roads, killing hundreds of thousands of people, dogs, birds, and wildlife along the way to dominance. And where are the horses now because of the automobiles? Safe in their paddocks and pastures, effectively retired except for leisure activities.
Why, my polo string is perfect example, I would think.
But meanwhile, out in the open, autos are not flyin' around overhead. It's drones that are; and they are dangerous in the hands of fools.
Squishy, you're no fool, for you use your pet machine wisely and to the benefit of us here and to that of your own mental health as a hobby. The Trouble comes when ignorant, irresponsible jack-wads are allowed to control them and take them to heights they have no business occupying.
You surely must agree to that.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:03pm PT
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Maybe the law would work if it were ... wait for it ... enforced?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
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good to hear that #7-1/2 conventional shot is effective and nothing more exotic is required.
Kinda like slo-mo trap shooting I would imagine.
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
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Hey squish, with all your drone love posting on various site do you even have time to climb?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
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I'd really enjoy these morons in a courtroom trying to explain to the judge how flying their little boy nerd toys over a military installation and having me shoot them down, is somehow a violation of their rights.
Dude I would help you ID the RF and such to lock on better...lol I also see a lot of cute video from fools near dams, bridges and civil infrastructure...just hovering around making stupid video of a sunset and absolutely no idea of the implications. There hasn't been education or an informational campaign to go along with the marketing of vendors, so we find ourselves in the chaos of revolution. basically in plain English, you have a bunch of throw backs and dummies still afraid of stuff they need to be learning how to use for it to truly solve the problem, sound familiar? Just like the industrial revolution and informational before it..
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:24pm PT
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I'd really enjoy these morons in a courtroom trying to explain to the judge how flying their little boy nerd toys over a military installation and having me shoot them down, is somehow a violation of their rights.
Oh well snap! In that case it didn't happen w/o video. And I wanna see the video. Blast away bro especially if you're not getting into trouble.
I really hope the little boy toys die off as a fad. The rest of us will then have much easier time of flying commercially. I actually think it will die off. I was out flying yesterday flying fixed wing with my buddy in the park. Looks like Lakewood city council is going to approve the area for designated flying. The thing is almost everyone out there is flying fixed wing. Flying multi-rotor really isn't that much fun after a while unless you are doing something with it. Buzzing around collecting hundreds of hours of boring gopro footage that will never see the light of day can't be a thing for long. can it?
I'm going to be wickedly psyched to get the FLIR Veu and strap that onto the beast and be an active volunteer for the local SAR units.
and squish... pretty sure elcap doesn't need help on the lock ;)
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
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Hey squish, with all your drone love posting on various site do you even have time to climb?
I just did a super hard adventure climb in early july with my 2 year old, lol http://www.supertopo.com/tripreport/tripreport.php?articleid=12783
I got on Tenaya Peak this year too, so that's at least something..
I'll be getting out more, hopefully, if my daughter enjoys it.
I'm a single father with a day job, I don't get out and climb as much as you hard men elites..
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
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I view it like skateboarding, hopefully we will get designed airspace and fields for drones to just have at it and full scale with souls will know where they are like everything else. That would be cool, to have like drone parks. then let the kids play. The thing that most people don't realize is that the kids playing with this stuff is what invented it, if you stop that, you stop the very progress of a, what? 19 billion dollar industry...so you either get it or you don't...maybe homework is in order...more homework..
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
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The Trouble comes when ignorant, irresponsible jack-wads are allowed to control them and take them to heights they have no business occupying.
You surely must agree to that.
I'm fairly certain that both squishy and I have stated that we do agree (on multiple occasions).
irresponsible jack-wads exist in every aspect of life. there's nothing new here except the object in question. the stupid humans still exist in massive quantities.
Give it another few years though, and 'Drones' (a name change maybe?)
You'll notice that when I refer to them as a professional tool I call them UAV's, vehicles, etc. When I refer to some dou chebag that did something dumb I call them drones.
But just don't get started on that. The "industry" is already struggling with it and it's gotten to the point of comical. And narcissistic.
There was a story out of the military base on Colorado Springs where one of the fixed wings they used to patrol the perimeter did a fly away and landed in someones front yard. The guy that found it gave it back. But the comments in the story from all the people that said they keep it or do something otherwise was seriously pathetic. And it got worse when the tin-foilers got involved. The vehicle wasn't patrolling the base it was.... I dunno.... ramping up for Jade Helm 15.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jul 19, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
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Is air space a commons? Is it regulated for other uses? Step in line to lobby for drones ongoing and apparently increased use of those commons...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
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It depends on the classification of the air space.
A, C, D, E,F air space is controlled.
G is not
UAVs are simply not allowed in A airspace as it starts at 18,000 above sea level.
Class C is restricted and it's what is over major air ports. You have to be granted permission to enter
Class D is essentially the same but it's military.
Class E is where we can enter if we give ATC or air port manager notification (access does not need to be granted).
Class F is similar to E but can switch to G like at night when control or managers go home.
Class G is wide open to 400 feet. No permission necessary - nothing other then the basic non-regs the FAA has in place.
so that's our NAS (national air space). Every UAV operator needs to know this stuff. Almost none do nor will they.
The kicker is that by definition NAS begins a 1mm above the ground. And that's obviously ridiculous. How much air space do you own above your house? You don't own to to space. That's been held up in courts over and over and over again. You are entitled to your privacy but the definition on where that begins is essentially at a "reasonable height". That's another area of the laws that has got to get hashed out.
So places we are allowed to fly:
public lands unless otherwise noted via a TFR NOTAM.
Oddly we can take off outside of Wilderness, fly over it, and return to launch and that's also OK. I suppose I'm ok with that because at best these vehicles will barely every penetrate wilderness as they are (better be) too vast.
where we cannot
No flying in the NPS. One I fully support.
DC anywhere.
In boulder the open space is closed to flying. I support that as well.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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"How much air space do you own above your house? You don't own to to space."
I'd say anything below the tops of your tallest trees is for sure yours.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 19, 2015 - 05:09pm PT
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at a minimum.
I'd say as far as my gun can shoot ;-)
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Guernica
climber
dark places
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Jul 19, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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I built RC gliders with my dad when I was growing up (father/son projects don't get any better than that), and after decades away from RC, have recently started flying again- including fixed wing as well as multi-rotors. All you haters, who apparently get up on the wrong side of the bed every damn day, are fvckin' missing out man. These things are fun as hell, just tremendously fun, and you're both foolish and a curmudgeon if you want them "banned". The unethical and illegal flights should be very frowned upon, we all agree to that, but don't piss on everyone else's parade, k?
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