Ban Drones

Ban drones

Jul 18, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
must be a seal they are the only tier 1 unit still using a high ready. Poor weapon handling

NutAgain...#9 birdshot in a 12GA won't go very far past your intended target. Are your downhill neighbors at least 100 yards away?

and pathetically ignorant audience..just wait..

in the middle of a drone revolution

so I dont want a drone buzzing around my home, yard, designated wilderness trail, or the scene were ems personnel are responding. All the sudden I am pathetically ignorant?

We're going to add tons of new laws about drones, but sadly not until after drones are used to kill lots of people.

Stupid technology to put in the hands of bobbyist morons and potential terrorists. Not to mention creppy peepers.

We're gonna get those drones. Mark my words.

DMT

Don't feel too badly, pyro...after all, it's not the size, but what you do with it...

At this time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has classified drones as ‘aircrafts’ meaning that shooting at one is technically a violation of federal law
and can carry a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.

Seriously, you can race them, make money with them, build them etc...

As long as I can take them down when they are threatening my privacy.

Every time there's a fire a no fly notice goes out, people are flying drones in a no fly zone. Has it been enforced? There's existing laws here not being enforced right? So why do we need new laws?

Because the industry, as represented by you, in not interested in policing itself.

I'd really enjoy these morons in a courtroom trying to explain to the judge how flying their little boy nerd toys over a military installation and having me shoot them down, is somehow a violation of their rights.

I'd really enjoy these morons in a courtroom trying to explain to the judge how flying their little boy nerd toys over a military installation and having me shoot them down, is somehow a violation of their rights.

Hey squish, with all your drone love posting on various site do you even have time to climb?

The Trouble comes when ignorant, irresponsible jack-wads are allowed to control them and take them to heights they have no business occupying.

You surely must agree to that.

Give it another few years though, and 'Drones' (a name change maybe?)

Can one kite surf at Coronado?

21646. It shall be a misdemeanor for any person to release or fly
or cause to be released or flown, within five miles of any airport,
any moored balloon, kite, unmanned rocket, or unmanned free balloon
which might be ingested by an aircraft engine or might cause a pilot'
s view of the airport and zone approach to be obstructed, or which
could be used to suspend an object capable of endangering airborne
aircraft or impairing a pilot's vision.

"How much air space do you own above your house? You don't own to space."

§101.13 Operating limitations.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate a moored balloon or kite—

(1) Less than 500 feet from the base of any cloud;

(2) More than 500 feet above the surface of the earth;

(3) From an area where the ground visibility is less than three miles; or

(4) Within five miles of the boundary of any airport.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to the operation of a balloon or kite below the top of any structure and within 250 feet of it, if that shielded operation does not obscure any lighting on the structure.

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§101.15 Notice requirements.
No person may operate an unshielded moored balloon or kite more than 150 feet above the surface of the earth unless, at least 24 hours before beginning the operation, he gives the following information to the FAA ATC facility that is nearest to the place of intended operation:

(a) The names and addresses of the owners and operators.

(b) The size of the balloon or the size and weight of the kite.

(c) The location of the operation.

(d) The height above the surface of the earth at which the balloon or kite is to be operated.

(e) The date, time, and duration of the operation.

Gary, I was told the same thing when I purchased this place.
It might depend on where you live, maybe?

Yes you do. From the surface you own down to the center of the earth, and upwards to the edge of the universe.

A man does not have control and ownership over the airspace of their property except within reasonable limits to utilize their property. Airspace above a set minimum height is property of the Masses and no one man can accuse airplanes or other such craft within of trespassing on what they own.

I would like to hear more about how the US is lagging behind in this area.

Above 400' you own nothing...

And lastly, the earth hath in law a great extent upwards, not only of water as hath been said, but of aire, and all other things even up to heaven, for cujus est solum ejus est usque ad coelum, as it is holden.

A servitude has been imposed upon the land for which respondents are entitled to compensation under the Fifth Amendment.

It also argues that the landowner does not own superadjacent airspace which he has not subjected to possession by the erection of structures or other occupancy.

(d) Flights of aircraft over private land which are so low and frequent as to be a direct and immediate interference with the enjoyment and use of the land are as much an appropriation of the use of the land as a more conventional entry upon it.

Held: the County has taken an air easement over petitioner's property for which it must pay just compensation as required by the Fourteenth Amendment.

Regulation 60.17, entitled "Minimum safe altitudes," provides:

"Except when necessary for take-off or landing, no person shall operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:"

"(a) Anywhere. An altitude which will permit, in the event of the failure of a power unit, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface;"

"(b) Over congested areas. Over the congested areas of cities, towns or settlements, or over an open-air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet from the aircraft. . . ."

"(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In such event, the aircraft shall not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure. . . ."

Also for discharging a firearm with in city limits.

Safety is objective #1 on every single mission we fly. With this in mind we've developed an aggressive safety protocol to follow to insure we maintain the best safety standards and practices available. Pre and post flight equipment inspection, constant flight testing and a strict adherence to current and proposed FAA guidelines are just a few of the ways we strive to emphasize safety and successful objective accomplishment, every time we put a vehicle in the air.

FAA guideline compliance
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Regular Flight Log and Telemetry Reviews
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Constant Telemetry and state of the art controller systems
Dedicated Camera Operators and Spotters for additional pilot support
Constant Flight and Safety Testing
Certified, Experienced, and Insured Pilots
Standardized Fleet components
Specifically our safety guidelines are:

Our vehicles are less than 25 kg AGW
We fly only visual line-of-site (VLOS) missions (operator or observer)
At no time are our vehicles operated over persons not directly involved in the mission
We operate only during daylight hours
We grant right-of-way to all other aircraft (manned or unmanned)
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Vehicles stay below 200 feet above ground level (AGL)

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I'm planning some of the worlds largest drone events and changing history,

its clear we are going to have to regulate these people. They will not regulate themselves. Same old story.

If you do say say so, yourself: history cuts both ways. While I see value in drones for
agriculture, forestry, and law enforcement (a double-edged sword to be sure) I'm drawing a
blank on anything else that might prove worthwhile to me. Do enlighten us.

Sh#t damn! DMT sure has been grumpy since he started tapping the LScarlett!! Maybe pump the brakes for a while big guy and go fly a drone or something, nawmean??

And I should know, CIRJB!!!!!!!!!!9988!!!!!1111

Nope, gender has nothing to do with it this time...

That said though some of squishy's verbiage in his posts doesn't really seem designed to engender support.

Instead of wasting time online...go find the guys responsible and earn $75,000...

you have more time invested in this thread than anyone else

"It was just hovering above our house and it stayed for a few moments and then she finally waved and it took off," said neighbor Kim VanMeter.

VanMeter has a 16-year-old daughter who lays out at their pool. She says a drone hovering with a camera is creepy and weird.

"I just think you should have privacy in your own backyard," she said.

Merideth agrees and said he had to go see for himself.

“Well, I came out and it was down by the neighbor’s house, about 10 feet off the ground, looking under their canopy that they’ve got under their back yard," Merideth said. "I went and got my shotgun and I said, ‘I’m not going to do anything unless it’s directly over my property.’"

That moment soon arrived, he said.

"Within a minute or so, here it came," he said. "It was hovering over top of my property, and I shot it out of the sky."

"I didn't shoot across the road, I didn't shoot across my neighbor's fences, I shot directly into the air," he added.

I may have to ask Ron A to sell me a shotgun!

If you didn't know that video was faked, you got bigger issues here man, lol

My question, are multi-prop drones capable of a relatively controlled landing if they lose power?

I like to fly, but if some drone invades my space without my permission, you know whats going to happen.

cops take it very seriously when they're the victim, not so much when non-cops are victims.

Conditions and Limitations
In this grant of exemption, Kentucky Windage UAV, LLC is hereafter referred to as
the operator.
Failure to comply with any of the conditions and limitations of this grant of exemption will be
grounds for the immediate suspension or rescission of this exemption.
1. Operations authorized by this grant of exemption are limited to the AgEagle Robotic
Aircraft System when weighing less than 55 pounds including payload. Proposed
operations of any other aircraft will require a new petition or a petition to amend this
exemption.
2. Operations for the purpose of closed-set motion picture and television filming are
not permitted.
3. The UA may not be operated at a speed exceeding 87 knots (100 miles per hour). The
exemption holder may use either groundspeed or calibrated airspeed to determine
compliance with the 87 knot speed restriction. In no case will the UA be operated at
airspeeds greater than the maximum UA operating airspeed recommended by the
aircraft manufacturer.
4. The UA must be operated at an altitude of no more than 400 feet above ground level
(AGL). Altitude must be reported in feet AGL.
5. The UA must be operated within visual line of sight (VLOS) of the PIC at all times.
This requires the PIC to be able to use human vision unaided by any device other than
corrective lenses, as specified on the PIC’s FAA-issued airman medical certificate or
U.S. driver’s license.
6. All operations must utilize a visual observer (VO). The UA must be operated within
the visual line of sight (VLOS) of the PIC and VO at all times. The VO may be used
to satisfy the VLOS requirement as long as the PIC always maintains VLOS
capability. The VO and PIC must be able to communicate verbally at all times;
electronic messaging or texting is not permitted during flight operations. The PIC
must be designated before the flight and cannot transfer his or her designation for the
duration of the flight. The PIC must ensure that the VO can perform the duties
required of the VO.
7. This exemption and all documents needed to operate the UAS and conduct its
operations in accordance with the conditions and limitations stated in this grant of
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exemption, are hereinafter referred to as the operating documents. The operating
documents must be accessible during UAS operations and made available to the
Administrator upon request. If a discrepancy exists between the conditions and
limitations in this exemption and the procedures outlined in the operating documents,
the conditions and limitations herein take precedence and must be followed.
Otherwise, the operator must follow the procedures as outlined in its operating
documents. The operator may update or revise its operating documents. It is the
operator’s responsibility to track such revisions and present updated and revised
documents to the Administrator or any law enforcement official upon request. The
operator must also present updated and revised documents if it petitions for extension
or amendment to this grant of exemption. If the operator determines that any update
or revision would affect the basis upon which the FAA granted this exemption, then
the operator must petition for an amendment to its grant of exemption. The FAA’s
UAS Integration Office (AFS−80) may be contacted if questions arise regarding
updates or revisions to the operating documents.
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or flight characteristics, e.g., replacement of a flight critical component, must undergo
a functional test flight prior to conducting further operations under this exemption.
Functional test flights may only be conducted by a PIC with a VO and must remain at
least 500 feet from other people. The functional test flight must be conducted in such
a manner so as to not pose an undue hazard to persons and property.
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in a condition for safe operation.
10. Prior to each flight, the PIC must conduct a pre-flight inspection and determine the
UAS is in a condition for safe flight. The pre-flight inspection must account for all
potential discrepancies, e.g., inoperable components, items, or equipment. If the
inspection reveals a condition that affects the safe operation of the UAS, the aircraft is
prohibited from operating until the necessary maintenance has been performed and the
UAS is found to be in a condition for safe flight.
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replacement, inspection, and life limit requirements for the aircraft and
aircraft components.
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safety bulletins.
13. Under this grant of exemption, a PIC must hold either an airline transport,
commercial, private, recreational, or sport pilot certificate. The PIC must also hold a
current FAA airman medical certificate or a valid U.S. driver’s license issued by a
state, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, a territory, a possession, or the Federal
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government. The PIC must also meet the flight review requirements specified in
14 CFR § 61.56 in an aircraft in which the PIC is rated on his or her pilot certificate.
14. The operator may not permit any PIC to operate unless the PIC demonstrates the
ability to safely operate the UAS in a manner consistent with how the UAS will be
operated under this exemption, including evasive and emergency maneuvers and
maintaining appropriate distances from persons, vessels, vehicles and structures. PIC
qualification flight hours and currency must be logged in a manner consistent with
14 CFR § 61.51(b). Flights for the purposes of training the operator’s PICs and VOs
(training, proficiency, and experience-building) and determining the PIC’s ability to
safely operate the UAS in a manner consistent with how the UAS will be operated
under this exemption are permitted under the terms of this exemption. However,
training operations may only be conducted during dedicated training sessions. During
training, proficiency, and experience-building flights, all persons not essential for
flight operations are considered nonparticipants, and the PIC must operate the UA
with appropriate distance from nonparticipants in accordance with 14 CFR § 91.119.
15. UAS operations may not be conducted during night, as defined in 14 CFR § 1.1. All
operations must be conducted under visual meteorological conditions (VMC). Flights
under special visual flight rules (SVFR) are not authorized.
16. The UA may not operate within 5 nautical miles of an airport reference point (ARP) as
denoted in the current FAA Airport/Facility Directory (AFD) or for airports not
denoted with an ARP, the center of the airport symbol as denoted on the current
FAA-published aeronautical chart, unless a letter of agreement with that airport’s
management is obtained or otherwise permitted by a COA issued to the exemption
holder. The letter of agreement with the airport management must be made available
to the Administrator or any law enforcement official upon request.
17. The UA may not be operated less than 500 feet below or less than 2,000 feet
horizontally from a cloud or when visibility is less than 3 statute miles from the PIC.
18. If the UAS loses communications or loses its GPS signal, the UA must return to a
pre-determined location within the private or controlled-access property.
19. The PIC must abort the flight in the event of unpredicted obstacles or emergencies.
20. The PIC is prohibited from beginning a flight unless (considering wind and forecast
weather conditions) there is enough available power for the UA to conduct the
intended operation and to operate after that for at least five minutes or with the reserve
power recommended by the manufacturer if greater.
21. Air Traffic Organization (ATO) Certificate of Waiver or Authorization (COA). All
operations shall be conducted in accordance with an ATO-issued COA. The
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exemption holder may apply for a new or amended COA if it intends to conduct
operations that cannot be conducted under the terms of the attached COA.
22. All aircraft operated in accordance with this exemption must be identified by serial
number, registered in accordance with 14 CFR part 47, and have identification
(N−Number) markings in accordance with 14 CFR part 45, Subpart C. Markings must
be as large as practicable.
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any documents required under 14 CFR §§ 91.9 and 91.203 must be available to the
PIC at the Ground Control Station of the UAS any time the aircraft is operating.
These documents must be made available to the Administrator or any law enforcement
official upon request.
24. The UA must remain clear and give way to all manned aviation operations and
activities at all times.
25. The UAS may not be operated by the PIC from any moving device or vehicle.
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persons, vessels, vehicles, and structures unless:
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from the UA and/or debris in the event of an accident. The operator must ensure
that nonparticipating persons remain under such protection. If a situation arises
where nonparticipating persons leave such protection and are within 500 feet of
the UA, flight operations must cease immediately in a manner ensuring the safety
of nonparticipating persons; and
b. The owner/controller of any vessels, vehicles or structures has granted permission
for operating closer to those objects and the PIC has made a safety assessment of
the risk of operating closer to those objects and determined that it does not
present an undue hazard.
The PIC, VO, operator trainees or essential persons are not considered
nonparticipating persons under this exemption.
27. All operations shall be conducted over private or controlled-access property with
permission from the property owner/controller or authorized representative.
Permission from property owner/controller or authorized representative will be
obtained for each flight to be conducted.
28. Any incident, accident, or flight operation that transgresses the lateral or vertical
boundaries of the operational area as defined by the applicable COA must be reported
to the FAA's UAS Integration Office (AFS−80) within 24 hours. Accidents must be
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reported to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) per instructions
contained on the NTSB Web site: www.ntsb.gov.
If this exemption permits operations for the purpose of closed-set motion picture and
television filming and production, the following additional conditions and limitations apply.
29. The operator must have a motion picture and television operations manual (MPTOM)
as documented in this grant of exemption.
30. At least 3 days before aerial filming, the operator of the UAS affected by this
exemption must submit a written Plan of Activities to the local Flight Standards
District Office (FSDO) with jurisdiction over the area of proposed filming. The 3-day
notification may be waived with the concurrence of the FSDO. The plan of activities
must include at least the following:
a. Dates and times for all flights;
b. Name and phone number of the operator for the UAS aerial filming conducted
under this grant of exemption;
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the UAS;
d. Make, model, and serial or N−Number of UAS to be used;
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and/or local officials to conduct the filming production event; the list of those
who gave permission must be made available to the inspector upon request;
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town, county, and/or state over which filming will be conducted and the altitudes
essential to accomplish the operation.
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consenting to be involved and necessary for the filming production, as specified in the
exemption holder’s MPTOM.
Unless otherwise specified in this grant of exemption, the UAS, the UAS PIC, and the UAS
operations must comply with all applicable parts of 14 CFR including, but not limited to,
parts 45, 47, 61, and 91.

dumb drunk fisherman almost cost himself three grand with that one cast. he's lucky he didn't bring it down

dumb drunk fisherman

and CA - this guy got in trouble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCvfdz-sWxw
he was facing destruction of personal property. The operators in this case settled and did not press charges so long as the drunk guy payed full price for the drone

3) destruction of someones personal property is a crime

is it if the destruction occurs while said property is in the process of harassing the individual who destroys it? Seriously I dont know.

The article I read made it seem like you had to be fearful of bodily harm.