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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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Cosmic can do 44 easily if there's a strip of bacon on the bar...rj
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
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What's interesting in the Leitzel footage is the lack of strength moves. Since she has been touted as doing well over twenty one-arm pull-ups you might expect her to scamper up a rope, hand over hand, or pull a strength move on the rings, but I didn't see anything like that. Her shoulder dislocates and inlocates are painful to watch.
I think D. Willoughby's analysis years ago is correct: she kipped her one-armers.
In my opinion doing a lot of pull-ups is silly unless you are trying to break a Guinness record. I did 25 to get an "A" in that part of gymnastics class 60 years ago, and I can't recall ever doing that many again. To warm up for more difficult suspension exercises or a bouldering session I might do five, sometimes a few more - a tactic I continue in my very late 70s.
I was gonna slam that geezer for not extending
And the lesson here is . . .?
Silly child.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
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^righto! work your fingers to the bone, whaddya get?
boney fingers
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 04:32am PT
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Even at my peak, I could not do 44 pullups at a time.
My daily routine was 10 sets of 10 pullups, ten times daily. That was 1,000 pullups a day. I could crank maybe 20 in a row, but not 40.
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Pewf
climber
Gunnison, CO
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Aug 19, 2015 - 07:01am PT
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I can do ten in a row on most days. Times when my digestion is backed up or I've got water weight gain, a mere seven.
Shooting for fifteen this fall as long as there's no recurrence of my good friend, medial epicondylitis. I'm optimistic--my forty-year-old connective tissue is so much healthier than it was in my twenties. Better nutrition/hydration? I can't drink more than 1.5 beers anymore without feeling like crap.
I will never ever try one-arms again. Aside from the rumor that it's nearly impossible for women, and I'm not the most likely specimen for breaking that statistic, that's what brought on the epicondylitis in the first place.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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And the lesson here is . . .?
The lesson is tongue in cheek. ;-)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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My daily routine was 10 sets of 10 pullups, ten times daily
At 1/second, a mere 17 minutes a day. Tie on 50 lbs. of weight and you'll be at that magic # (where did 44 come from?) in weeks.
Is .5/second more realistic?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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Tie on 50 lbs. of weight I did my 1,000 pullups with a backpack of school books in between classes.
Never could do a one-arm pullup
Controlled one arm let-downs was as much as I could do
I used to watch Barry Bates crank one-finger pullups, amazing sh#t
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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^I wasn't too excited about 3-finger, let alone 1-finger. Gimme four.
There is a cousin of the muscle up called struggle up. In high school, with no training I used to be able to do 5 consecutive.
I can't touch one now and I think I'm stronger. Must be that you lose technique with age.
Muscle memory? Hah!
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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where did 44 come from?
Ahem---read the first post...
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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I did my 1,000 pullups with a backpack of school books in between classes.
Never could do a one-arm pullup
I once met a guy in the gym who could do 100 consecutive legitimate (non-kipping) pullups and not a single one-arm pullup.
The two feats are quite different and require different training. Back in the dawn of time, I could, at my strongest, do seven one-arm pullups on each arm, but never managed to do more than 25 two-arm pullups and usually could do no more than 20.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Ahem---read the first post...
Muscle memory ... hell ... regular memory is going too.
However, isn't the metric how many can be done in one minute? Who can do 44 (or more) pullups in one minute?
If you're in the "or more" group, it appears that you're eligible for some commendation.
Is anybody actively pursuing this goal? I'll check Goggins stats in this area.
Let see, 44 in 60 seconds. I don't have a caclulator handy, but that seems to be 1.36 seconds per pull-up. It's hard to get the rest period #, so this stat can only be considered an estimate.
I wonder how many could be done in 2:02:57 (marathon record 9-28-14). I'll check Goggins' girlfriends stats in this area.
Goggins was a weightlifter before taking up running and is reported to have lost 105 lbs. in 2.5 months to get into running seriously.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:35am PT
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A better question may be what is the optimum pullup strength for rock climbing, for ice climbing? My guess is that 30 pullups is optimum for rock climbing. As the climbs get harder it gets harder to hold on. The limiting factor is crimping ability, finger strength. If you can't hold on, excessive pullup muscles are just dead weight pulling you down. For ice climbing 44 pullups may be useful.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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My wife can't do a single pullup and, at age 60, she can do 11- trad and sport and grade 5 ice.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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I used to have dreams of doing a pullup to a full mantle in one smooth motion.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
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I used to have dreams of doing a pullup to a full mantle in one smooth motion.
Ah, the one-arm muscle-up. I worked on that for several years but never got close on the critical part, which is the transition from elbow-down to elbow-up. A "smooth motion" would indeed be a feat of enormous strength; I would have been more than happy with a kip.
I did see someone do it once, one of the famous "playground gymnasts" of years ago. And I've seen a video of a guy not only doing a (kip-assisted) one-arm muscle-up, but then pressing a one arm handstand from there. If I can find it again I'll attach it here...
Not what I was thinking of, not pretty, but he gets it done. There are more like this...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Here's the one I was thinking of:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
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Impressive vids Prof G. and this is a nice thread to follow.
The age old question strength vs. technique? Both!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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If you can't hold on, excessive pullup muscles are just dead weight pulling you down
You're right. It's mostly finger strength and a squirmy body.
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tripmind
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Aug 19, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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I think there's a reason why the USMC will not count any pullup with kipping, even on a critical PFT.
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