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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 28, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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Well sure, but can you do 44 wide-grip pullups in one minute?
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 28, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
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Glad to see good form. No "kipping" nonsense.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jun 28, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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Fun in the gym
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 28, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
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Wide grip can be easier than narrow grip.
It's a strong function of what you're used to,
which of them you've been training.
44 is very good.
If he keeps at it for years, he might regret it in
his 50s though.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 28, 2015 - 10:15pm PT
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I'm a little slow. I cannot do 44 in a minute.
How many can you do with your 130 pound girl friend on your back? No time limit.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jun 28, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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After extensive testing...
I can do 2 pullups with my 95lb girlfriend... 1 with my 115lb girlfriend.. but I can't even stand up with my 240lb girlfriend...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 28, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
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^You are the winner. There's a spot for you on the Olympic team.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jun 29, 2015 - 12:27am PT
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give me three hits of crack and load up the meth pipe,
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2015 - 12:32am PT
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Not me.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 29, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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If he keeps at it for years, he might regret it in
his 50s though.
I'm not so sure. I never timed myself, but I could do 55 pullups in my early 20's, and I had a routine in my late 50's where I was doing 15-20 sets of ten pullups and the same numbers of dips per workout, and found I could go on about as long as I wanted. My wife says the work I put in during my 20's was probably the reason why I still had some strength.
Of course, now that I've reached my Beatles Birthday (64), the only intentional workout I do is on climbs, but my joints and tendons are still OK.
Quickness, on the other hand, deserted me long ago.
John
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Jun 29, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
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I used to do a lot of pullups. Not sure I ever tried to max out but I remember doing 48 in J-tree on a bar Chip Holdcamp had on his van. I was however able to knock off 5 one armers, and even once did 1 with my girlfriends younger brother hanging on my waist. Now I do a few set's of 10 and am sore for days.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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Anyone here can do 44 pullups easily.
In 44 days one pullup per day ...... :-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 29, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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I dunno, HFCS, I was never able to do 44 pull-ups Until I was in, my 50's. Form wasn't perfect, and I didn't time it.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 29, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
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I don't consider that good form. Good form is not barely clearing the bar when the chin is reaching up like that. The jaw should be horizontal like when a person is standing normally. At least the entire jaw should clear the bar, not just the chinny chin chin. Think how easy it would be for somebody with a chin-job.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jun 29, 2015 - 01:25pm PT
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I can't even do 1 pull up :(
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Jun 29, 2015 - 02:15pm PT
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I can do 44 pullups, just not all in the same year.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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Pullup strength is great, but when it comes to climbing.....da feet or defeat.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
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This is out of date, but probably still worth a look :
Bodyweight Suspension Records
Doing a lot of pullups is not a very exciting way to spend an afternoon.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jun 29, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
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The most I could ever do in a single effort was 23. But if you take one arm off, shake out, repeat with the other arm and then keep going - much easier. Using that technique I was able to do 75, and the only thing that stops you is boredom.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Jun 30, 2015 - 05:34am PT
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I could probably do a dozen or so pullups if I kip hard enough. Fortunately, I end up climbing a lot of roof boulders where straight arms, swinging to the holds, and toe/heel hooks can compensate for my weak arms.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 30, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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Pullup strength is great, but when it comes to climbing.....da feet or defeat.
Truth! I had the privilege of watching a couple of superb gymnasts learn to climb. The "arms-only" problems were cake to them, but things I considered straightforward gave them difficulty until they learned good footwork.
John
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jun 30, 2015 - 11:15am PT
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Supposedly, Diana Hunter couldn't do one!
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Jun 30, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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i can't do 44
but i have this game
i call it A4 pullups
and i go around town
pulling myself up on smaller
and smaller sh#t.
door jambs.
a hooker't toe.
dry branch? check
a prius hatch back.
mystery electrical coord hanging from
the decrepit hangman's tree sign.
i've taken naught whippers, yet.
after a few beers i might try
an A5 crank.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 17, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
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-David Goggins
“I want to talk about my girlfriend Dawn. She is 39 years old. She never did sports. Never did running. Nothing. 6-7 months ago, she could do maybe 7 pull ups. Now she is doing workouts of 700 pull ups in 3 hours…anybody from any side of the street can do it.“
Mr. Goggins has attempted (twice) and failed to break the 24 Hour World Record Pull up record. Lives in Chula Vista (last I checked) in spare time is a Navy Seal and runs Badwater.
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Aug 17, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
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I can't even do one...I just tried and failed.
Everyone else in my office can do at least 5. I'd feel way weak sauce except that my (climbing) rack is more balanced than any of theirs.
And I carry longer ropes.
So now I'm just weak, not weak sauce ;)
Cheers
LS
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Aug 17, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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For a few months after college, I'd do as many as I could whenever I walked by an unfinished door frame in my room (maybe 5-10 times per day on average). I quickly went from 10-12 up to 17-18, but then it was like a brick wall. I could rest a few minutes and repeat that many times, feel solid and strong after 15 fast ones, but then the muscles just locked up by 17-18. I don't think I ever reached 20 in one go. I never really practiced after that, but when I go to the gym a few times per week I can do 15, and when I'm out of shape I can struggle through 10.
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA (stuck in Jersey)
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Aug 17, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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I'm on my first week of "getting back into shape, after having been away from climbing pretty much since I got here in Jersey in Jan 2012. I'm about 10-15 pounds overweight but am back on the "good carb vs. bad carb" regimen. I had a C6-C7 disc-ectomy in late 2012 and rehabilitated fairly quickly. Well, just the other day, I'm back on a 2" door jam doing assisted pull-ups with my ten year old lifting my ankles. Felt pretty good, with a good burn after ten, a little stiff in the neck keeping my chin up, but good...or so I thought.
Throughout the next day I'm noticing that my neck is stiff and sore. I figure I slept on it wrong, as I've done so many times. It's been progressively getting worse over the last three days, where today it seems to have subsided. Piggybacking Motrin and Tylenol seemed to cut the edge, thank God. I finally deduced that I sprained the area around my surgical site for the first time from the pull ups. I'm not giving up though and hope to be back on the rock in Nov/Dec, on a vacation out west.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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Assuming it is possible. Sounds reasonable to me.
I would think any 5.14 climber can do it.
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Gunkie
climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 05:52am PT
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Did 16 this morning, but then had to go to work.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 06:34am PT
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Hey, Nutagain, I'm in exactly the same boat. I keep hitting a wall at about 17--18. Then I get bored, whatever, and don't work hard enough to break through. I always kind of wanted to do 20 in one set, so maybe I'll keep at it. I've led up to 11a without being able to do that many, so I guess it's not that big a deal for the kind of climbs I'm interested in. I am spending more time hanging off Rock Rings and doing rollups, which helps my climbing more than pull ups. It's amazing what some of these studs and studettes can do!
BAd
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:02am PT
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20 is currently my limit
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:09am PT
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18 three finger, first digit pull ups in a row was my max. But, like Nutjob, I hit a wall and couldn't progress to bigger numbers.
These days, meh, maybe eight in a row if I'm feeling strong.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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I was gonna slam that geezer for not extending but Tami has shown the light
of higher knowledge on my ignorance. I defer gratefully! :-)
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Aug 18, 2015 - 10:33am PT
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The butterfly kip is a means to perform high volume pullups efficiently, and utilizes the legs and hips. It is not an easy movement to learn and, in the Crossfit world anyway, assumes you already have good strict pullups and good kipping pullups.
I am still working on regular kipping pullups (6 in a row) and can only do 2 strict ones in a row, le sigh.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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Always make sure the shoulders are "engaged" as not to hang full body weight from those joints for risk of ligament damage.
Many years ago out of irrational exuberance I started saving energy by hanging from relaxed shoulders. After just two days of this my shoulders started clicking while running. Fixed that really quickly.
Did you delete your Squamish photo? It answered the question as to how climbers are different.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:01pm PT
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Dudes, dudettes, and doodahs - pull-ups are old school.
Muscle ups are whar it's at.
Jump and give me 75
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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Cosmic can do 44 easily if there's a strip of bacon on the bar...rj
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Aug 18, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
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What's interesting in the Leitzel footage is the lack of strength moves. Since she has been touted as doing well over twenty one-arm pull-ups you might expect her to scamper up a rope, hand over hand, or pull a strength move on the rings, but I didn't see anything like that. Her shoulder dislocates and inlocates are painful to watch.
I think D. Willoughby's analysis years ago is correct: she kipped her one-armers.
In my opinion doing a lot of pull-ups is silly unless you are trying to break a Guinness record. I did 25 to get an "A" in that part of gymnastics class 60 years ago, and I can't recall ever doing that many again. To warm up for more difficult suspension exercises or a bouldering session I might do five, sometimes a few more - a tactic I continue in my very late 70s.
I was gonna slam that geezer for not extending
And the lesson here is . . .?
Silly child.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
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^righto! work your fingers to the bone, whaddya get?
boney fingers
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 04:32am PT
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Even at my peak, I could not do 44 pullups at a time.
My daily routine was 10 sets of 10 pullups, ten times daily. That was 1,000 pullups a day. I could crank maybe 20 in a row, but not 40.
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Pewf
climber
Gunnison, CO
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Aug 19, 2015 - 07:01am PT
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I can do ten in a row on most days. Times when my digestion is backed up or I've got water weight gain, a mere seven.
Shooting for fifteen this fall as long as there's no recurrence of my good friend, medial epicondylitis. I'm optimistic--my forty-year-old connective tissue is so much healthier than it was in my twenties. Better nutrition/hydration? I can't drink more than 1.5 beers anymore without feeling like crap.
I will never ever try one-arms again. Aside from the rumor that it's nearly impossible for women, and I'm not the most likely specimen for breaking that statistic, that's what brought on the epicondylitis in the first place.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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And the lesson here is . . .?
The lesson is tongue in cheek. ;-)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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My daily routine was 10 sets of 10 pullups, ten times daily
At 1/second, a mere 17 minutes a day. Tie on 50 lbs. of weight and you'll be at that magic # (where did 44 come from?) in weeks.
Is .5/second more realistic?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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Tie on 50 lbs. of weight I did my 1,000 pullups with a backpack of school books in between classes.
Never could do a one-arm pullup
Controlled one arm let-downs was as much as I could do
I used to watch Barry Bates crank one-finger pullups, amazing sh#t
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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^I wasn't too excited about 3-finger, let alone 1-finger. Gimme four.
There is a cousin of the muscle up called struggle up. In high school, with no training I used to be able to do 5 consecutive.
I can't touch one now and I think I'm stronger. Must be that you lose technique with age.
Muscle memory? Hah!
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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where did 44 come from?
Ahem---read the first post...
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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I did my 1,000 pullups with a backpack of school books in between classes.
Never could do a one-arm pullup
I once met a guy in the gym who could do 100 consecutive legitimate (non-kipping) pullups and not a single one-arm pullup.
The two feats are quite different and require different training. Back in the dawn of time, I could, at my strongest, do seven one-arm pullups on each arm, but never managed to do more than 25 two-arm pullups and usually could do no more than 20.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Ahem---read the first post...
Muscle memory ... hell ... regular memory is going too.
However, isn't the metric how many can be done in one minute? Who can do 44 (or more) pullups in one minute?
If you're in the "or more" group, it appears that you're eligible for some commendation.
Is anybody actively pursuing this goal? I'll check Goggins stats in this area.
Let see, 44 in 60 seconds. I don't have a caclulator handy, but that seems to be 1.36 seconds per pull-up. It's hard to get the rest period #, so this stat can only be considered an estimate.
I wonder how many could be done in 2:02:57 (marathon record 9-28-14). I'll check Goggins' girlfriends stats in this area.
Goggins was a weightlifter before taking up running and is reported to have lost 105 lbs. in 2.5 months to get into running seriously.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:35am PT
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A better question may be what is the optimum pullup strength for rock climbing, for ice climbing? My guess is that 30 pullups is optimum for rock climbing. As the climbs get harder it gets harder to hold on. The limiting factor is crimping ability, finger strength. If you can't hold on, excessive pullup muscles are just dead weight pulling you down. For ice climbing 44 pullups may be useful.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 19, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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My wife can't do a single pullup and, at age 60, she can do 11- trad and sport and grade 5 ice.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 19, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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I used to have dreams of doing a pullup to a full mantle in one smooth motion.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
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I used to have dreams of doing a pullup to a full mantle in one smooth motion.
Ah, the one-arm muscle-up. I worked on that for several years but never got close on the critical part, which is the transition from elbow-down to elbow-up. A "smooth motion" would indeed be a feat of enormous strength; I would have been more than happy with a kip.
I did see someone do it once, one of the famous "playground gymnasts" of years ago. And I've seen a video of a guy not only doing a (kip-assisted) one-arm muscle-up, but then pressing a one arm handstand from there. If I can find it again I'll attach it here...
Not what I was thinking of, not pretty, but he gets it done. There are more like this...
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Here's the one I was thinking of:
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
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Impressive vids Prof G. and this is a nice thread to follow.
The age old question strength vs. technique? Both!
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Aug 19, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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If you can't hold on, excessive pullup muscles are just dead weight pulling you down
You're right. It's mostly finger strength and a squirmy body.
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tripmind
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Aug 19, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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I think there's a reason why the USMC will not count any pullup with kipping, even on a critical PFT.
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